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"If they are allowed to re-engage in jihad, then I think it's criminal." Yes, and the fact that this is not known is bad enough in itself.
"After Guantanamo, 'Reintegration' for Saudis," by Josh White and Robin Wright in the Washington Post (thanks to Jeffrey Imm):
For five years, Jumah al-Dossari sat in a tiny cell at the U.S. prison at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, watched day and night by military captors who considered him one of the most dangerous terrorist suspects on the planet.In July, he was suddenly released to his native Saudi Arabia, which held a very different view. Dossari was immediately reunited with his family and treated like a VIP. He was given a monthly stipend and a job, housed and fed, even promised help in finding a wife. Today, he is a free man living on the Persian Gulf coast.
The treatment is part of a Saudi "reintegration program" designed to help Dossari, 34, and other former Guantanamo prisoners adjust to modern society and learn the meanings of Islam. About 40 of the more than 100 Guantanamo detainees from Saudi Arabia who have been transferred to Riyadh since last year have been released after participating in the program, and the rest are scheduled to be let go in coming months.
The Defense Department considered more than 90 percent of the transferred detainees to be terrorist threats to the United States and its allies, but sent them home as part of an agreement that Saudi Arabia would mitigate the threat, according to Cmdr. J.D. Gordon, a Pentagon spokesman.
"Our goal is to transfer out as many individuals from Guantanamo Bay as we can," said Sandra L. Hodgkinson, deputy assistant secretary of defense for detainee affairs. "The Saudis have developed a reconciliation program to address the needs of their population, and we strongly appreciate them finding a way to mitigate the threats that these people pose. We believe this is a very, very good program."
Critics are concerned that the arrangement will simply return some extremists to the streets. Defense officials say about 30 of the nearly 480 detainees released from Guantanamo have again taken up terrorist activities.
Steven Emerson, a terrorism analyst, said the program is intriguing because it is an alternative to holding detainees at Guantanamo indefinitely. But, he said, there is a "major risk" of releasing former detainees into the general population.
"If they are allowed to re-engage in jihad, then I think it's criminal," Emerson said. "I don't always believe the Saudis are doing what they say they are doing. Could it work? Technically, it could work. Would I trust them to become babysitters? Not on my life."
Under an unpublicized agreement between Riyadh and the Bush administration, the Saudis are preparing to repatriate half of the approximately 20 of their citizens who remain at Guantanamo. They have promised that all will participate in the reintegration program, Saudi and U.S. officials said.
That will leave about 10 Saudis in Guantanamo, who are scheduled to be tried by military commissions, according to U.S. officials. A total of 138 Saudis have been held there.
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After a reunion of nearly a week with their families, the former detainees begin a six-week program to "correct their ideas" about jihad and non-Muslims, a government effort to woo them away from al-Qaeda's radical theology in one-on-one discussions with religious scholars, Saudi officials said.
"Our government gave people a chance to correct their mistakes and start a new life, to understand Islam and make people understand government," Dossari said. "This is the only solution for terrorism."
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"The proof will ultimately be in the pudding," said Bradford A. Berenson, a Washington lawyer who was associate counsel to Bush from 2001 to 2003. "If a lot of them end up in terror cells and on battlefields, we'll know that it doesn't work well enough to trust."
But we're trusting it first anyway. Good plan!
Posted by Robert at December 10, 2007 11:00 AM
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"This is the only solution for terrorism", the Saudi official declares...
I can think of a few others. Good solutions, not fake.
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at December 10, 2007 11:24 AM
"and other former Guantanamo prisoners adjust to modern society and learn the meanings of Islam."
Modern society?
They allready know the meaning of Islam.
at December 10, 2007 11:25 AM
In the anti-jihad, intelligent leadership, or the lack of it, is critical to success or failure.
Posted by: Karl2 at December 10, 2007 11:25 AM
wait for their rapturous welcome back to the UK! civil rights lawyers, charities, bleeding hearts will be lining up (or their pockets) for their return.
even amnesty is puzzled why one of the "britons" is returning back to saudi arabia and not the UK.
"Amnesty's UK spokesman Neil Durkin welcomed the move and said: "We will now be seeking to establish why Shaker Aamer is expected to go to Saudi Arabia"
why does this bother him? a non british subject wished to go back to his home and amnesty is getting their knickers in a twist?
at December 10, 2007 11:46 AM
Anything the toxic Saudis do is suspect.
But they should pay for each detainee, the cost of their incarceration and let's say a ten mil get out of jail card as well.
While we're at it, a negative tax per year for every mosque they fund in America. Is this called jizya ?
Right on.
Posted by: dgene at December 10, 2007 11:47 AM
FAIRY TALE
........and the leopard DID change his spots, and the whole world lived happily ever after......
THE END
Posted by: n.a. palm at December 10, 2007 11:58 AM
It's ideology, not economics.
Posted by: A_Plague_on_Both_Houses at December 10, 2007 12:05 PM
"The proof is in the pudding"- Bradford A. Berenson
WOW, what a novel idea: we take terrorists, set them free, put them through a 6-week program to deprogram their terrorist tendencies and see what happens!! I'll bet every damned one decides to turn over a new leaf and get a real job instead of embracing murder and mahem.
Why don't we do that with armed robbers, and rapists, and murders here in the U.S.? Answer: Because such an idea is STUPID and NO ONE WITH EVEN ONE MOLECULE OF COMMON SENSE WOULD EVEN PROPOSE DOING SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
Ya' know what, Brad, "the proof will be in the pudding"- but I'll bet money that YOU won't be one the people tasting the pudding. People like you will still be in Washington pushing papers, while the ones who witnessed your failed experiments are learning to use prosthetic limbs at Walter Reed.
Posted by: livefreeordie! at December 10, 2007 12:08 PM
They should have been tried by military tribunals and sentenced to death or life in prison.
If, decades from now, the problem were actually to get under control (don't count on it) we could just amnesty them.
They needed trials and convictions to be held regularly and properly for as long as we need to hold them for our safety.
Posted by: Charles Martel at December 10, 2007 12:28 PM
Another glaring failure of the current administration. The only question is whether this ignorance is unwitting or willful.
The re-integratiion program is simple and it does not take six-weeks to implement.
It simply is a threat by the Saudis that the jihadists should cease and desist all "al Qaeda-type" activities and instead embrace the slow-jihad that Saudi Arabia has in place and is operating at full-vigor.
There are rewards for compliance I am sure, but alas, it will not be completely "successful". It is inevitable that there will be some recidivists. What exactly is the penalty for Saudi Arabia for failed re-integration candidates?
Through the economic jihad from their oil wealth, the Saudis will continue to finance the construction of mosques and madrassas all throughout the West, with little to no interfence from, or monitoring by, Western authorities whose responsibility it is to do so.
On the ideological front, paid Saudi farmhands, like Esposito will continue to deceive the left about the true nature of Islam, and push for thought-crime legislation against "Islamophobia".
It is a great plan...for the Islamists. This aforementioned course of action is superior to the rogue suicide-bombing tactic in advancing the sphere of influence of, and ultimately, dominance, by Islam.
That Steve Emerson would even entertain the thought of this program as anything other than suicidal naivete, is quite troubling to say the least.
Posted by: awake at December 10, 2007 12:41 PM
Saudi Guantanamo inmates released, "reintegrated," treated like VIPs back home
I am not surprised. We all know that their home countries support the jihad against the West.
When jihadists are jailed in moslem countries, we know they will be quietly released soon after they are jailed. No surprises.
at December 10, 2007 12:44 PM
Steven Emerson, a terrorism analyst, said the program is intriguing because it is an alternative to holding detainees at Guantanamo indefinitely. But, he said, there is a "major risk" of releasing former detainees into the general population.
Maybe he is thinking like I do...let them go back to the battlefield, this time take no prisoners.
Posted by: interestinconundrum at December 10, 2007 12:47 PM
The "meaning of Islam" means do not ever ever consider the benevolent Al-Saud as being non-Islamic. Do not attack them as being "Infidels." Do not, in other words, attack nice ruling Muslims, however corrupt and decadent and thieving they may be.
Yes, Guantanamo returnees, save your hatred and your plots for the real Infidels. Americans, British, French, Australians, Maronites from Lebanon, and so on. In Saudi Arabia, as they are "our guests" (meaning: we rely on them as our domestic wage slaves, Professional Division, so please don't attack them and make it harder for us to attract replacements).
Attack the Infidels. Not the daggers-and-dishdasha boys, the ever-more-numerous progeny of that polyphiloprogenitive desert sheik, who defeated the Shammar tribe in the Nejd in 1920, and never looked back -- Ibn Saud.
Posted by: Hugh at December 10, 2007 1:10 PM
Greetings:
Today's military refresher is the POW calculus.
1) You don't ever want to fight anyone twice.
2) Some POWs may have useful information.
3) Acquisition, re-location, interrogation and detention of POWs
consumes scarce resources.
You do the math.
at December 10, 2007 1:50 PM
They should have been tried by military tribunals and sentenced to death or life in prison.
If, decades from now, the problem were actually to get under control (don't count on it) we could just amnesty them.
They needed trials and convictions to be held regularly and properly for as long as we need to hold them for our safety.
Posted by: Charles Martel at December 10, 2007 1:54 PM
I am afraid of what a future Dhimmicrat president may do.
Consider the alternative: close Guantanamo; transfer the inmates to federal prison on US soil; allow them to be bailed out by the Saudis; grant them political refugee status and US citizenship.
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It could happen
CT Yank
at December 10, 2007 2:00 PM
“British” returnees from Guantanamo Bay
Shaker Aamer, a Saudi national; Jamil el-Banna, who is Jordanian; Omar Deghayes, a Libyan; Binyam Mohamed from Ethiopia; and Abdennour Sameur, an Algerian.”
“The Blair government had opposed a legal challenge by relatives of several of the men seeking to force London to press for their release from the U.S. detention camp.”
I assume this will set a legal precedent and in future jahadis who transit through our airports will be entitled to the benefits and protection of British Citizenship.
I posted this on another thread but this seems to be what the "ordinary" people in Britain think.
But as usual our Liberal government knows better.
http://www.theargus.co.uk/display.var.1890884.0.omar_is_coming_home.php
Posted by: Fred at December 10, 2007 2:02 PM
dgene
"But they should pay for each detainee, the cost of their incarceration and let's say a ten mil get out of jail card as well."
Maybe they already have made a gift to party funds?
Posted by: Fred at December 10, 2007 2:11 PM
The west doesn't get it, US leading the pack. You don't throw these people in jails indefinately. The only way to deal with these people, this kind of threat, is to execute them. Extract whatever intel you can in a specified time, then eliminate them. You start holding them up such as Gitmo, and look....you invite a zoo of messes, and the most concerning of the scenarios is not only them getting out and back to Jihad again, but the motivation to kidnap. You start getting into these prisoner exchanges, and it's endless. Just ask the Israelis.....
Posted by: Sneakyzionistcrusader at December 10, 2007 2:19 PM
lol @ topic
Well, that's what we get for caving into the radical leftists who bogusly claim we torture and mistreat these terrorists who don't rate POW status since they don't wear a national uniform, nor that of criminal since this wasn't a law&order issue...
once again, common sense has been replaced by political correctness and those that practice it as their religion...many of whom are in elected office, and use this as well as their other pet projects to tear America and the entire western world apart.
With enemies within like these, we don't need enemies from without.
Purge political correctness and you purge the #1 problem.
Posted by: jcom972 at December 10, 2007 2:34 PM
Sneakyzionistcrusader,
this one's for you...
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=59115
we're not the only ones who endorse such a common sense decision.
Such vicious animals like that don't deserve "human rights" since they're not even human, but vermin.
at December 10, 2007 2:53 PM
"After a reunion of nearly a week with their families, the former detainees begin a six-week program to "correct their ideas" about jihad and non-Muslims ... , Saudi officials said."
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What happens when the little darlings find that their "ideas about Islam" are fully supported by the Quran and hadiths? Will these guys be returning soon to an airport near you (or me)?
at December 10, 2007 3:03 PM
Unfortunately, the majority of the Gitmo detainees will soon be back on the streets. We will not hold them much longer, nor will we execute any of them. Let us hope that in the future, we are less likely to accept the surrender of illegal combattants who make war on U.S. forces.
Posted by: MP at December 10, 2007 3:20 PM
I think I wrote on this once before...Back in the wild west days of the US, there was conflict between the Native Americans, and the White soldiers and settlers. Chief Sitting Bull made a deal with the army regarding some captured young men from his tribe, who had shot up a ranch and stole stuff.
The Army was going to shoot these men when Sitting Bull showed up. He told the commander that these renegades should be turned over to him and punished by tribal law. That said punishment would not be pleasant. The commander agreed. Back at camp, the five men were tied to posts in the middle of the village. They were stripped naked. They stayed there for three days, while every passer by cursed, slapped or spit on them. Not too far from dead, they are taken down and recover for several days. Then the entire village throws them a party, and every one gives them gifts. According to Sitting Bull, justice has been balanced.
See any similarities? Very tribal...
Posted by: duh_swami at December 10, 2007 5:54 PM
Baby Boomer thinking at it's best.
Posted by: flowerknife_us at December 10, 2007 9:32 PM
Let's save our good friends the Saudis from the problem of their having to reintegrate former Gitmo residents back into society. Let's just exile the whole bunch of Gitmo residents on a desert island-the US won't have to worry if such folk will return to jihad and their old homelands won't have to worry about reitegration.
Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at December 10, 2007 10:08 PM
There is a level of stupidity beyond which the law of natural selection takes hold. I am afraid that Darwinism votes most unfavorably against those who refuse to defend themselves.
Posted by: have_mercy at December 11, 2007 12:23 AM
Yes Jcom, eliminate them.....they can't harm us anymore, they get their wish to die as martyrs and everyone's happy. Problem solved, pass the ketchup.
Posted by: Sneakyzionistcrusader at December 11, 2007 2:25 PM
Winston Churchill wrote "Islam is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog"
Guantanamo is America's mad dogs home. Let'em out and they will bite.
Posted by: teba at December 11, 2007 5:31 PM
WashTimes wrote an article on the gitmo goon's "rights"...worth reading...
http://washingtontimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071212/NATION/112120069/1001
Even Herman Goering didn't have this many "rights".
Purge political correctness and ya purge 90% of THE problem.
at December 12, 2007 3:21 PM
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