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"Something went wrong in the American blueprint for analyzing the severity of the Iranian nuclear threat." Yes, and it's called partisan politics.
"Israel: US report on Iran may spark war," by Laurie Copans for Associated Press:
JERUSALEM - Israel's public security minister warned Saturday that a U.S. intelligence report that said Iran is no longer developing nuclear arms could lead to a regional war that would threaten the Jewish state.In his remarks — Israel's harshest criticism yet of the U.S. report — Avi Dichter said the assessment also cast doubt on American intelligence in general, including information about Palestinian security forces' crackdown on militant groups. The Palestinian action is required as part of a U.S.-backed renewal of peace talks with Israel this month.
Dichter cautioned that a refusal to recognize Iran's intentions to build weapons of mass destruction could lead to armed conflict in the Middle East.
He compared the possibility of such fighting to a surprise attack on Israel in 1973 by its Arab neighbors, which came to be known in Israel for the Yom Kippur Jewish holy day on which it began.
"The American misconception concerning Iran's nuclear weapons is liable to lead to a regional Yom Kippur where Israel will be among the countries that are threatened," Dichter said in a speech in a suburb south of Tel Aviv, according to his spokesman, Mati Gil. "Something went wrong in the American blueprint for analyzing the severity of the Iranian nuclear threat."
Posted by Robert at December 17, 2007 11:43 AM
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What we are seeing is the fallout associated with having nominated and elected a very limited man to high office.
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at December 17, 2007 11:56 AM
Anyone who believes that the Mulluh-ocracy in Iran isn't seeking military nukes is deluding him/her self.
Posted by: alexon at December 17, 2007 12:02 PM
There are those who look forward with perfect equanimity, even a secret pleasure, to a nuclear exchange between Israel and Iran, knowing perfectly well that that would kill many in both countries. And such people are not to be found only in Sunni Arab lands. They exist right in Washington itself, and in other capitols of the West. They are the same people who sweetly urge the American government to force Israel to give up its nuclear deterrent as the only way to get "Iran may do the same" -- knowing that if Israel ever gives up its nuclear deterrent, Israel will be destroyed. And they would be not merely indifferent, but in some cases positively delighted, to see the end of Israel. They are a particular type, sufferers from the permanent pathological condition known as antisemitism. And those sufferers haven't held total control in the Western world for -- what is it now? -- about sixty-four years. But they are always with us, and they do what they can to further the cause. And too many people are too diffident, too inhibited, to recognize either the pathology of antisemitism, or how it presents, as the doctors say, in the plausible and therefore seemingly acceptable forme fruste of the disease.
Posted by: Hugh at December 17, 2007 12:16 PM
Here is a profound thought, at least to me:
The wonderful disloyal opposition has severely undermined our ability to wage an adequate defense against jihad. For the past few years, the Dhimmicrat party and it's co-conspirators in the press have let the world know everything about our intelligence operations. Their stage-managed, public criticism of our electronic eavesdropping gave our enemies the tool for a briliant misinformation campaign. There are traitors in our midst. I know of only one way to deal with them.
Posted by: Pelayo at December 17, 2007 12:22 PM
OH no...there's absolutely NO WAY Iran's actions could lead to war. Iran isn't seeking to obtain nuclear weapons. They've clearly stated they're building nuclear facilities only for peaceful purposes. Dichter must be a far right-wing lunatic who can only see the dark side of everything.
"The American misconcention concerning Iran's nuclear weapons is liable to lead to a regional Yom Kippur where Israel will be among the countries threatened"
Truer words were never spoken.
If I might please add... "Israel will be the first country theatened, and the first they will attempt to destroy, because they are the only nation in the region who might stand up to the mullahs."
at December 17, 2007 12:26 PM
Of course it will lead to conflict.
When Israel has no choice but to attack and place itself in harm's way - it has been placed in this position by the controllers of the conclusions of the NIE report.
Joe Wilson and Victoria Plame are merely symptoms of the sickness at the Foggy Bottom swamp.
Posted by: dgene at December 17, 2007 12:27 PM
Pipes covered this pretty well.
The Iranians are either going to be convinced, by arguments or sanctions to give up on having a bomb by their own voluntary choice ---
Or else they will be deprived of the chance by force of arms ---
Or else we give up and they build themselves a bomb -- and presumably use it or threaten to ...
The NIE propaganda makes the first option a lot less likely.
I won't even speculate about the other two.
at December 17, 2007 12:41 PM
There are those who look forward with perfect equanimity, even a secret pleasure, to a nuclear exchange between Israel and Iran, knowing perfectly well that that would kill many in both countries.
by Hugh
Do those who yearn for such an exchange think it will be done with token weaponry?
Given the terrain and their proximity to the state of Israel, how do those in Sunni Arab lands expect to escape the consequences of a nuclear exchange? The Palestinians will likely vanish, along with a lot of Jordan. No need to worry about Islam's "third holiest site". It will be reduced to dust or be rendered inacessible by radiation. The al Aqsa Martyrs will finally be worthy of the name.
Posted by: PMK at December 17, 2007 12:41 PM
When the first nukes hit Israel the looks of shock in Washington will be a sight to behold. And after that it will be business as usual, with a possible token firing or two to make things look nice.
Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at December 17, 2007 1:02 PM
Yes, there will be shock in Washington, and the rest of the civilized world, when the first nuke is detonated in Israel- but I seriously doubt we'd return fire at all.
However, Israel will. It'll be too late- the damage will have been been done- but they will return fire and they'll do so with a hell of a lot more than a WW2-era gun-type fission device stuck in a shipping container.
There is no doubt in my mind that the IDF can, and will, blow the hell out of who ever attacks Israel. There is no doubt in my mind that they'll hit whatever they aim at, and the casualties inflicted on whatever they hit (Iran for example) will be very high.
The thing that scares me, is that the mullah's really don't seem to care. Their "We'll nuke you, you'll nuke us, the madhi will come back and everything will be great!! If our people are slaughtered we really don't care- they'll be martyrs." talk should deeply concern everyone in the world who is capable of coherent thought.
We are not dealing with rational people here. We aren't dealing with folks who give a damn about human life. You can't make a deal with the devil, and the sooner 'the people in charge' realize that, the better off we'll all be. This is a time for strength and more strength- not appeasement.
at December 17, 2007 1:36 PM
"Refusal to recognize Iran's intentions to build weapons of mass destruction could lead to armed conflict in the Middle East"-
must be the understatement of the year. Is there an award for this?
Posted by: sheik yer'mami at December 17, 2007 1:41 PM
"Yes, and it's called partisan politics."
-Yes, very true, Robert. The GOP has decided that in an election year, they do not wish to campaign in a sea of mortgage foreclosures AND another war. Even if that war is necessary to protect Israel and the rest of the West. Therefore, they have decided to make nice with the Iranians and Syrians and throw the Israelis from the sled.
Merry Christmas, Mr. Bush and Mrs. Rice.
Posted by: Abu Lahab at December 17, 2007 2:11 PM
If anyone thinks the arab leaders care one bit about the so-called "palestinians," it's time for their 3000 mile check-up. The "palestinians" are nothing more than a tool for the leaders. Used to justify, in the western media, jihad. And to finance their villas on the Riviera and other excesses.(I used Riviera as a metaphor) Since muslims will undoubtedly be killed should Iran or any other muslim nation detonate a nuke in Israel, the leaders will just find a way to label them either as apostates or martyrs. Which ever best serves their purpose at that time.
Posted by: Kevin at December 17, 2007 2:19 PM
No, they don't care about the people they now call "Palestinians." They care about the land. That is what matters. The land must be recovered. It was once part of Dar al-Islam. It is now controlled by non-Muslims, and still worse, by the Jews. For not only are they especially demonized in texts that denounce and prescribe a state of permanent warfare against, all non-Muslims, but at least the Christians, who managed to stop Islam at Poitiers in the West, at the gates of Vienna in the East, have historically been a force to contend with. The Jews never were, until they recaptured Israel and re-established the Jewish commmonwealth. This, for Muslims, is intolerable. The "Palestinian" Arabs are merely a means to an end, the shock troops of the Lesser Jihad, useful tools, but otherwise arousing no great interest or sympathy. The Saudis, the Kuwaitis, the Emiratians, are not forthcoming with money for the "Palestinians," never have been, and unless forced in Paris by the West to pony up the dough, never will be.
Posted by: Hugh at December 17, 2007 2:33 PM
Islamic Jew hatred has grown out of a personal grudge of the vicious and hateful megalomaniac Mohammed. He thought his concocted and hilariously inept borrowings from the Jews would 'go over' as the 'latest thing in revelation'.
They didn't and ever since then Islam has had a 1,400 year hissy fit.
Posted by: poetcomic1 at December 17, 2007 2:49 PM
Jiziyah Extortion Watch: $7.4 billion raised for Palestinians
“We wanted $5.6 billion, we have $7.4 billion — not bad,” he said.
http://sheikyermami.com/2007/12/17/jiziyah-extortion-watch-74-billion-raised-for-palestinians/
Posted by: sheik yer'mami at December 17, 2007 2:53 PM
They care about the land. That is what matters. The land must be recovered. It was once part of Dar al-Islam.
by Hugh
A nuclear exchange will most likely render the land uninhabitable for generations. It can't be recovered. Thus, the only rationale for Muslims to wage a nuclear war seems to be: if I can't live here then you can't, either!
Posted by: PMK at December 17, 2007 3:24 PM
"We'll nuke you, you'll nuke us, the madhi will come back and everything will be great!! If our people are slaughtered we really don't care- they'll be martyrs." talk should deeply concern everyone in the world who is capable of coherent thought.
livefreeordie,
Why aren't the Iranian people concerned that their leaders see nothing wrong with killing half the population if it will force the return of their mahdi?
Either they believe this stuff as well or they figure it's nothing but an idle boast. If they don't care, then why should anyone else care about them? Best to protect ourselves and let the Iranian people know that they will not be held blameless if they allow the mullahs to continue on their current course.
at December 17, 2007 3:34 PM
Pelayo: "There are traitors in our midst. I know of only one way to deal with them."
That, I'm afraid, is a justifiable opinion, and one that is spreading.
at December 17, 2007 5:01 PM
In todays age of overwhelming information sources the average iranian has to be held accountable for his/hers countries actions, don't blame my country or israel for defending itself from your lack of understanding the sever situation your government has put you in!!!!
Posted by: OLD SARGE at December 17, 2007 7:37 PM
"The Arab nations should sacrifice up to 10 million of their 50 million people, if necessary, to wipe out Israel ... Israel to the Arab world is like a cancer to the human body, and the only way of remedy is to uproot it, just like a cancer."
--Saud ibn Abdul Aziz, King of Saudi Arabia, Associated Press, Jan. 9, 1954
at December 17, 2007 7:53 PM
"The Arab nations should sacrifice up to 10 million of their 50 million people, if necessary, to wipe out Israel ... Israel to the Arab world is like a cancer to the human body, and the only way of remedy is to uproot it, just like a cancer."
--Saud ibn Abdul Aziz, King of Saudi Arabia, Associated Press, Jan. 9, 1954
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=18764
at December 17, 2007 7:54 PM
What are the motivations for the West's sell-out of Israel?
Emmanuel Winston, who explains the recurrence of historic religious rivalry, delivers an interesting perspective:
"Strangely, although Islam and Christianity have been natural enemies through the centuries, they do cooperate in attempting to eliminate Israel and the Jews in it.
On this they agree, although presently in Europe it has not reached the level (yet) where they can express their hatred too openly. The Arab Muslim immigrants take care of that as Germany and France tell their Jews not to appear-Jewish on the streets.
Europe also wishes to sell armaments to the Arabs. They also want the oil. Both of these motives drive their official government attitude toward Israel. However, underlying the urge for profit, there is always the taught, but now endemic, hatred of Jews and the Jewish State.
It’s no longer a question of hatred; it’s just a matter of degree.
Right now, as Islam threatens their society, by extension, it increases Jew hatred. The European benefits are both money and satisfaction in their hatred of Jews. They would like to see Israel eliminated.
After that it’s highly probable they would go to war with the Arab Muslims, hoping for U.S. participation. Expect some form of the Crusades or, as some refer to it, as a Clash of Civilizations.
One last thought: With the elimination of Israel, they could expunge their ever-present guilt for their active participation in the Genocidal murder of six million Jews. In other words: "out of sight - out of mind!"
Please read entire posting, with video, at Democracy Broadcasting.com
Posted by: DemoCast at December 17, 2007 8:02 PM
I hope that the majority of Israelis realise that their only protection is the strong arm of the Lord. Now that the ever reliable Americans have stabbed them in the back, they should take this opportunity to cut themseleves off from so called American aid, which has only served to hamstring them on the one hand and give them a false sense of security on the other. As someone mentioned on on this blog the Americans are harmless as enemies and deadly as friends.
at December 17, 2007 8:45 PM
FROM OLD SARGE ABOVE:
In todays age of overwhelming information sources the average iranian has to be held accountable for his/hers countries actions, don't blame my country or israel for defending itself from your lack of understanding the sever situation your government has put you in!!!!
I agree to your preamble, but they do not have a 2nd Amendment, and the Moulahs have all the arms. The students have tried several peaceful mini-revolts and they have all been put down. They need to have arms, and the US government should be supplying them arms and clandestine training and assistance instead of radio rock music. Thank Karen Hughes for that good old hunk of Americana. Maybe she thought the students could serenade the moulahs into quiting?
In the last few days the moulahs started cracking down on internet chatrooms - a couple dozen were closed down. If the chat rooms are the only source of interconnection, that does not auger well for continued contact with the outside world.
Posted by: Jimmy Bones at December 18, 2007 1:25 AM
Islamic Jew hatred has grown out of a personal grudge of the vicious and hateful megalomaniac Mohammed. He thought his concocted and hilariously inept borrowings from the Jews would 'go over' as the 'latest thing in revelation'.
They didn't and ever since then Islam has had a 1,400 year hissy fit.
Poetcomic1
This would have been among the earliest attempts at NLP!
Luther tried to convert the Jews as well - when they wouldn't he too had a hissy fit and tried to murder them instead.
The amount of time supremacist morons spend trying to convert everyone else to their worldview and torturing them if they don't is beyond tragic.
This I say fresh from reading the Gulag Archipelago which is essentially a list of tortures practiced by the Soviets in Stalinist times.
Waste, waste, pure insane waste.
at December 18, 2007 1:41 AM
Perhaps I have missed something, but I believe we already have war in the Middle East. In fact, I can not remember a time in my lifetime (since 1964) that there was not war somewhere in the Middle East. The only variables have been the specific parties involved, intensity of the conflict, and its precise location in the region. Silly me!
Posted by: HereticInfidel at December 18, 2007 10:16 AM
They care about the land. That is what matters. The land must be recovered. It was once part of Dar al-Islam.
by Hugh
A nuclear exchange will most likely render the land uninhabitable for generations. It can't be recovered. Thus, the only rationale for Muslims to wage a nuclear war seems to be: if I can't live here then you can't, either!
Posted by: PMK
The Arabs can technically call that "recovering", as it wouldn't be Israeli controlled anymore.
Posted by: Sneakyzionistcrusader at December 18, 2007 10:49 AM
Poor choice of words on my part. I used the term war when what I meant was "armed conflict". Not that there is any real difference between the two.
Posted by: HereticInfidel at December 21, 2007 8:38 AM
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