They really must think we're that stupid to keep expecting us not to believe our eyes and ears over and over again. But then again, when the West sends over 7 billion dollars to the palestinians for "nation building" they may indeed be correct.

Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at December 18, 2007 7:41 AM

Outlaw the Ikhwan in America, and expose its networks and front groups--no back-channel dialogues with or through this movement here. (In Syria, that may be a different matter--in theory.)

Posted by: John C at December 18, 2007 7:43 AM

I agree about the threat from al-quada being exaggerated at the expense of the wider jihadist threat. It is a dangerous mistake for the West to make because it creates the false impression that those whom oppose al-quada are automatically an ally and buffer against them. Groups like the Muslim Brotherhood and Hezbollah are much stronger and have been very successful at infiltrating the West and are likely the greater threat.

Posted by: irish_infidel at December 18, 2007 8:19 AM

I thought there was no such thing as Santa Claus.........

Posted by: tanstaafl at December 18, 2007 8:34 AM

"One of the principles of the Muslim Brotherhood is to rid the Arab and Islamic nation of any foreign rule. The Muslim Brotherhood must support all the forces of resistance in the Arab and Islamic world."
--Akef--

Why the "Arab" qualifier? What about the Iranian Persians? That certainly does appear to throw a wrench in Akef's whole "Sunnis and Shiites are brothers" argument.

Posted by: awake at December 18, 2007 8:42 AM

I think a lot of people are missing the point here. Al-Qaeda may not be as powerful as it, and the American gov't think, but it does exist, or at least a bunch of people calling themselves Al-Qaeda exists. Likewise, it is only one component, more or less powerful, of the global jihadist effort.
But the main danger from Islam is not the terrorists, it is demographic conquest. The West, and other countries with Islamic minority populations, should be making every effort to reduce their Islamic populations. Such efforts should begin with a complete halt to further Islamic immigration. Next steps should include: deportation of all illegal immigrants; the ending of all special privileges for Moslems -- such as special treatment in schools, hospitals, and all public places; the deportation of all non-citizen criminals at the end of their prison sentences; and strict enforcement of existing laws concerning child-abuse, aiding and abetting criminal behavior, hate-crimes, and support of terrorist activity. Also, the gov't should encourage the growth of larger families among non-Moslems. Terrorism is a problem, but it's really only a thorn in our side; demographic conquest means the end of our civilization and its replacement by a world-wide culture based on slavery and piracy -- the Barbary Coast on a giant scale.
Global warming? It's a poor third as a threat. Its extent is still a matter of scientific controversy, and the degree to which it is caused by human activity is a matter of even greater scientific controversy.

Posted by: ebonystone at December 18, 2007 9:02 AM

I think you are right ebonystone, but getting any of this implemented is like open heart surgery.
There are a lot of simple minded people who believe
BS taqiyya artists like Akef. JW has introduced us to many of these same type characters. Akef is so sure his audience is stupid, that he hardly hides his weird distortions. It's a shame that the MSM won't showcase more of these guys and their brilliant speeches...

Posted by: duh_swami at December 18, 2007 9:27 AM

No such thing as Al-Quaeda? Uh oh somebody forgot to the the lovely "we are an Al Queda family" Khadrs of Toronto. I guess they'll just have to admit "we are a terrorist family" and Canada, can just go back to sleep.

Posted by: j_not_a at December 18, 2007 9:39 AM

'Akef: "Of course it is. It is a perverted ideology, which employs methods that do not please Allah. How can I kill a Muslim when this is forbidden?"

Simple, by stating a muslim isn't a true muslim. A rather common practice in the muslim world. But of course, you already knew that you sly dog.

Posted by: Kevin at December 18, 2007 10:44 AM

"The government must arm these people. When I fought in Palestine, the government knew about it. The government trained and armed us. As you well know, the military commanders worked with the Muslim Brotherhood. When we fought the English in 1951 in the [Suez] Canal, the government knew about it. We would undergo weapons training within [Al-Azhar] University."
-- from the article above

Quite an admission. The Egyptian government "knew about" and "trained and armed us" when we "fought in Palestine." He is referring to the fedayin, who conducted terrorist raids on Israel, between 1948 and 1956, some 19,000 separate raids, which led to Israel's Sinai Campaign, and then the handing back of the Sinai. The Egyptians always denied that they had been guilty of anything, that the "fedayin" were spontaneously taking matters into their own hands.

Now, in a casual admission, not only is this undone, but there is still more adnission of great interest: "we would undergo weapons training within [Al-Azhar] University."

What Christian theological seminary permits weapons training of a special "Christian Brotherhood" whose sole goal is to attack and murder non-Christians, on the model of the Ikhwan, that is the Muslim Brotherhood?

Posted by: Hugh at December 18, 2007 10:48 AM

There's no such thing as Islam, Muhammad made it up.

Posted by: Prickzilla at December 18, 2007 11:32 AM

Well in a perverse sense he's actually on to something.

Pointing at al queda is a convenient way of saying that there is an enemy out there without identifying that enemy too precisely.

Without that word available they would have to identify the jihad and the jihaddis as the enemy.

Which is something the Hallmark-card-brained, Bowdlerized, euphemized, goody-two-shoes politicos of DC just can't seem to bring themselves to do.

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It really is actually rather disgusting, the way they contort themselves to avoid stating the simple and obvious truth.

It reminds me of the standards that once had people putting skirts on chairs to hide their legs.

Repellent.

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It also reminds me of the standards that once had people pretending that Auschwitz didn't exist, or wasn't a death camp.

Somebody tell me how Aqsa Parvez is all that different from Anne Frank.

Doesn't seem to me that the world has changed all that much.

Posted by: joeblough at December 18, 2007 11:46 AM

Al Qaida and the Muslim Brotherhood are two sides of the same coin.

Is it a shock that Zawahiri (the snake from Egypt), is a Muslim Brotherhood product, and is also 2IC in Al Qaida ?

And it all goes back to the koran, Mohammed's book of hate and vilification.

Posted by: dgene at December 18, 2007 11:47 AM

As Mark Steyn says, "it's moslems vs.Jews in "palestine", moslems vs. Hindus in Kashmir, moslems vs.Christians in Africa, moslems vs. Buddists in Thailand, moslems vs. Russians in the Caucasus, moslems vs. backpacking tourists in Bali, moslems vs. Danish cartoonists in Scandinavia."

Call them what you want, they are a global threat. They see the opportunity, their time is now. We must resist. We must have Western babies. We cannot allow the world to enter another dark age.

Posted by: interestinconundrum at December 18, 2007 11:54 AM

"And Mahdi 'Akef of the Ikhwan, coming from the other side of this great conflict, is telling us that Al-Qaeda doesn't even exist."

Sounds like Richard Mottram is on the same side as Mahdi 'Akef of the Ikhwan. Richard Mottram of the Ikhwan. Mahdi 'Akef, a British former intelligence official... Is there a difference? If there is, what is it then?

They both would obfuscate the threat of Islam to the mortal detriment of the non-Muslims of the world -- they both are engaging in that old magician's trick of misdirection so we don't notice the facts or the threat bounding our way.

Maybe Richard Mottram, a British former intelligence official, has a slightly different agenda than Mahdi 'Akef of the Ikhwan, but I don't believe it's really to protect his nation from a mortal threat and more than such a thing would motivate Mahdi 'Akef of the Ikhwan.

It seems to me that the evangelical zealotry of the "Global Warming" alarmists may really a displacement of their impotence before genuine threats. We've recently seen Lawrence O'Donnell savage Mitt Romney's Mormonism, knowing full well that kaffiyaed Mormons won't suddenly spring from a bush to behead him. Later he admitted to Hugh Hewitt that he fears speaking out about Islam, and won't utter anything against the Muslims. This is a similar form of displacement. Cowards attacking something that makes them feel potent when they know they are impotent is better for them than facing their cowardice. On some level these "intelligence" officers coming out of the woodwork pronouncing "Global Warming" is more of a threat than Islam, or that Iran has suspended its nuclear weapons ambitions despite all common sense are similar displacements. On some level these vile "intelligence" personnel know full well that they have utterly failed to protect their society from harm. But rather than facing this catastrophe, they set out in search of straw men to slay.

In the end, I guess there is a difference between a Mahdi 'Akef of the Ikhwan, and a Richard Mottram, former British intelligence official: One is a liar and a coward, the other is a liar and a warrior, and not in that particular order. For our purposes, we are the worse off because of both.

Posted by: jsla at December 18, 2007 12:02 PM

WOW that's the Same thing the PEACE Activists are saying, don't tell me the Anti War Peacenicks are in cahoots with the World Peace Movement.... I mean they were just blocking port shipments in Oregan dressed like jihadi's to "SUPPORT THE TROOPS" right??? whodathunkit

Posted by: AllahSnackbar at December 18, 2007 12:45 PM

jsla could not have said it better.

The good news is that this and other attacks on Al Quaida could be a further sign of the weakening of the only such organization to successfully attack the US on our own soil.

Still it makes you wonder how they get away with it. Al Capone wouldn't let another gangsta group attack his group.

Posted by: Aunt Bea at December 18, 2007 12:54 PM

It always irritates me when the FBI or Homeland Insecurity makes the statement that some Jihatist "had no connections with AQ"
Is that not the height of stupidity?
And the denial of what Jihad is?

Posted by: Aunt Bea at December 18, 2007 12:59 PM

Yes Virginia, there is an Al-Qaeda. When they kill 10 thousand Infidels, nay 10 times 10 thousand Infidels, Dhimmis will stay say that they do not exist.

Posted by: Balrog at December 18, 2007 1:09 PM

Interviewer: "There are Sunnis, members of Al-Qaeda, who kill civilians in the name of Islam. There are Shi'ites who kill Sunnis in the name of Islam..."

'Akef: "All these things are American Zionist tricks.

"Tricks"? Does this guy listen to himself? Supposing such "tricks" were real, it would simply highlight more than anything else the gullibility and stupidity of Muslims and how easy it is to trick them into killing each other. And what does this in turn say about the "wise guidance" of Islam they follow? Aren't Muslims embarrassed, shamed by such statements? Blaming Islam's woes on non-Muslims only calls attention to the ineptness of Islam and the superiority of "infidels".

Posted by: yadayada at December 18, 2007 2:33 PM

Hugh Said "What Christian theological seminary permits weapons training of a special "Christian Brotherhood" whose sole goal is to attack and murder non-Christians, on the model of the Ikhwan, that is the Muslim Brotherhood? "

Not a bad idea though. Although I don't advocate attacking and murdering non-christians or even muslims, our young people need to know how to defend themselves. There is a clash of religious cultures coming (actully it's already here, the Christians just aren't fighting back yet.) so training our young people to fight is a good idea.

All of my children know how to shoot, and my grand children are learning.

Posted by: walterc at December 18, 2007 3:20 PM

'Akef: "I'd like to go back to the issue of Al-Qaeda. There is no such thing as Al-Qaeda. This is an American invention, so that they will have something to fight for..."

Interviewer: "What about Osama bin Laden, Al-Zawahiri, and the Islamic State of Iraq?"

'Akef: "When one man, or two or three, fight this tyrannical global superpower - is it worth anything?"
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More "Islamic logic". Osama bin Ladin, et al, fight the "tyrannical global superpower"--the US, no doubt--yet Al-Qaeda is an invention of the Americans. How exactly does that work?

Right after 9/11 I saw a scene on television that I considered incredibly surreal, but I have since seen many more examples of this cognitive dissonence.

A group of men and boys (in Indonesia? I don't recall) were being interviewed about their reactions to 9/11. One man vociferously claimed that it was a slanderous lie that Muslims were behind the attacks. The others present joined in with hearty condemnations, including one lad who was wearing one of those hideous 9/11 t-shirts for kids, with an image of Osama bin Laden looming over a burning WTC. No one in the group seemed to take note of this, and the journalist did not remeark on this bizarre disconnect, either.

I do agree that there is too much emphasis on Al-Qaeda, which is just one hydra head of the global Jihad. I do notice, though, that many who deny the prominence of Al-Qaeda are down-playing the Jihad threat in general, not just pointing out that Al-Qaeda is not the only purveyor.

It is similar with the "War on Terror"--admittedly, a misleading and imprecise term. Many who decry its use, however, are not pointing out that it should more acurately be referred to as "a fight against Jihad" (or, at the very least, against "Islamic extremism"), but instead, are denying that there is any real threat at all, rather just something that George Bush cooked up as a power grab.
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Interviewer: "There are Sunnis, members of Al-Qaeda, who kill civilians in the name of Islam. There are Shi'ites who kill Sunnis in the name of Islam..."

'Akef: "All these things are American Zionist tricks.
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And yet the Sunnis and Shi'ites have been killing and opressing each other since the late-Seventh Century, well over a thousand years before the founding of the United States.
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We would undergo weapons training within [Al-Azhar] University."
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Jihaists undergo weapons training at Islam's (by default) most prestigious university. Meanwhile, in the US, even ROTC programs are being ousted from high schools and even colleges at a record rate.

Posted by: gravenimage at December 18, 2007 3:32 PM

But the Muslim Brotherhood has a principle, which I declared from day one: The Shi'ites and Sunnis are brothers.

"Me against my brother, both of us against our cousin (the Amahdi, Sufis, Kurds etc.), all of us against the filthy kaffirs."

Posted by: special_guest at December 18, 2007 5:23 PM

walterc:
Not a bad idea though. Although I don't advocate attacking and murdering non-christians or even muslims, our young people need to know how to defend themselves. There is a clash of religious cultures coming (actully it's already here, the Christians just aren't fighting back yet.)

It's not just a religious clash; it is a clash between those who believe in personal responsibility and freedom, and those who don't. It's also a clash between those who think the last five hundred years has been a time of progress and those who don't. Oh, yeah, and a clash between those who view the human population as a virus and those who don't.

so training our young people to fight is a good idea.

A necessity, I'd say.

All of my children know how to shoot, and my grand children are learning.

Ditto. Watching Mister Rogers prance around his set is not really effective preparation for defending ourselves against enemies who have their children watching "How to Slaughter Infidels for the Sake of Allah."

Posted by: RalphInfidel at December 18, 2007 6:33 PM

And of course there are no such people as Ousamah bin Laden either or Dr. Ayman al-Zawahiri or Mullah Omar or the Taliban government of Afghanistan. And of course there's no such thing as an Islamic movement to revive the lost Islamic Calpihate.

Unable to speak or hire enough Arabic language translators the US government officials somehow are creating all these fluently-Arabic language islamo-fascist websites that call for the destruction of the United States and death to the American people (which they keep closing).

Anyway, the al-Qaeda terror-nexus of Islam is basically a part of the Muslim Brotherhood and the Islamofascist movement that includes plans to restore the Islamic caliphate. All Islamo-terrorists are linked by Islam's ideological tenets and their goal of committing violence against the "unbelievers"in the name of allah. The United States did not make up Islam's 14 century-long history of slaughter. Names themselves therefore are unimportant.

Eliminate the Muslim brotherhood and all other Islamofascist groups and al-Qaeda automatically goes away too.

Posted by: pythagoras at December 18, 2007 7:34 PM