That there should be an increase in vile antisemitism and antisemitic violence anywhere, but especially Europe, should be a cause for alarm and for shame.

Posted by: John C at December 20, 2007 11:33 AM

If I were a cop, I'd put surveillance on Jews and on ex-Muslims, and I'd wait for some scumbags to show up and harass the people under surveillance. I'd catch it all on video, and I'd swarm them with about 50 cops and arrest them all.

Sounds like a cop's dream -- an extremely easy way to catch criminals.

The $64,000 question: WHY DON'T THEY DO IT?

Posted by: PersonOfTheBook at December 20, 2007 11:38 AM

This incident will be quickly forgotten. But the next time a Koranist collides with a police car, look out!

Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at December 20, 2007 11:39 AM

"This incident will be quickly forgotten. But the next time a Koranist collides with a police car, look out!" (Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at December 20, 2007 11:39 AM)

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Probably collided with the police car because he was reading the Koran while driving.

And because he was reading the Koran, Allah blessed him with an opportunity to stick it to the infidel!

Posted by: PersonOfTheBook at December 20, 2007 11:46 AM

So it takes 20 of these brave jihadists to beat up a Jewish boy? Jews who dare to try to live in Eurabia must relearn the lessons of the past, and arm themselves and their adolescent children. Being as how the mahometans attack in gangs of 20, I'd suggest a Glock 17 with the big clips. Plenty of hollow points for everyone, including the henna-dyed mohamet impersonator.

Posted by: Infidel33 at December 20, 2007 11:48 AM

I've began to fight the PC stupidity with some stupidity of my own. Whenever I fill in some form or questionaire with a racial component I mark 'other' and label myself as a person of 'Euro-American' descent.

Fight stupidity with absurdity.

Posted by: A_Plague_on_Both_Houses at December 20, 2007 11:51 AM

The police will have to step up patrols in neighborhoods known to be Jewish, and to guard Jewish sites. They will more and more have to guard Christian churches, from those intent on vandalizing the statuary (as happened to a statue of the Virgin and Christ in a church in northern France) and paintings -- not only because of their Christian imagery but because they are paintings.

How much money does the French state spend now in protecting non-Muslim sites? How much will it have to spend in the future? How much money does the French state spend now on the free education, free health care (and obstetrical care), free or subsidized housing, for the millions of Muslim immigrants who fiddle the system for everything it is worth, and more, and whose male children spend their days vandalizing the property of non-Muslims (the usual thousand cars a day, or in moments of heightened tension, the figure goes up to many thousands)? How much damage is done to the edudational system, once the pride of France, the product of careful thought by nineteenth-century pedagogues (every little town has a "Jules-Ferry" school, to honor the most famous one), because undisciplined and even violent Muslim students intimidate not only non-Muslim French students, but the teachers too, refusing to read about, inter alia, Voltaire, French Kings, the Holocaust, World War II, or anything that they think is purely a matter for Infidels, or might evoke sympathy for Jews, or might be associated with anti-Islamic attitudes (Voltaire is disliked because of his play "Mahomet"). How much has life in France been degraded, by the fact of large-scale Muslim immigration?

And what intelligent Frenchman, today, would or could disagree with the observation that

The large-scale presence of Muslims in Euroopean countries has led to a situation that is far more unpleasant, expensive, and physically dangerous for its Infidel indigenous inhabitants (and for non-indigneous immigrants who are not Muslims) than would be the case without such a large-scale presence?

Only those who are psychically marginal, that is on the maddened Far Left and on the antisemitic Far Right (their obsession with Jews prevents them from recognizing, or caring, about the threat from Islam) would disagree with that statement.

All others will agree -- some readily, and some, still, most reluctantly. But they will agree.

And so will those in Great Britain, Italy, Spain, Belgium, The Netherlands, Germany, Denmark, Norway, Sweden. But the councils -- and counsels -- of the ruling elites will continue to pretend otherwise. For if they did not do so, they would have to do two things.

First, they would have to admit that those same elites had made a terrible error during the past thirty years, when they allowed in so many Muslim immigrants, without adequately informing themselves -- the warnings were there, in France as elsewhere, from Western scholars of Islam, such as Charles-Emmanuel Dufourcq, and from such well-known intellectuals as Jacques Ellul -- on the unexamined theory that these were merely "economic immigrants" like any others, that they would either be Gastarbeiter (those Turks who were all going to move back to Turkey from Germany) or, in any case, would simply become upstanding loyal citizens, and their children and grandchildren to, to the Infidel nation-state, to its legal and political instituitons, to its ideas about human freedom and individual autonomy. That has happened, but only among those who have either jettisoned Islam(sometimes openly, sometimes quietly) altogether, or -- not quite sure of themselves, and with the possiblility open that they, or their descendants, may "get religion" once again -- become "cultural Muslims" (a way of saying: I don't believe the religious stuff,, but I continue to identify with, and thus may even inadvertently promote, the "civilization of Islam") or "Muslim-for-identification-purposes-only" Muslims, again with the same problem, that the laic father, if he doesn't make a clean break as an apostate, may give rise to a reverting-to-full-fledged-Islam son.

Second, those same elites would have now to realize that they have a permanent and terrible problem on their hands. And they are trying not to do that, because they don't have any idea even as to how to begin to talk about this properly, or to lead those whom they presume to protect and instruct to see things rightly.

How, after all, since it those elites -- political and media elites -- that have done the damage to those people they now must help to inform, and since those elites do not know how to start talking about the kind of measures, other than those of securing the sites most likely to be subject to Muslim attack, and to monitoring and interrupting the plots of Muslim terrorists (which is a gigantic effort, involving many man-hours of police, lawyers, judges), and cannot face the matter of Da'wa, or ending Muslim immigration, or removing all Muslim non-citizens without necessariy going after other non-citizens (an intelligent, but to some hard to explain selective enforcement), and making it impossible for outside Muslims to pay for mosques, madrasas, and campaigns of Da'wa (seizing money that comes from Saudis abroad if the Al-Saud fail to stop the practice), and finally, discussing rationally the rational behavior of the Czech government when it attempted, in 1946, to remove forever from its midst the security threat posed to it, the evidence from 1938-1945 demonstrated, by three million Sudeten Germans, resulting in the Benes Decree that, at the very least, offers an example of a liberal, tolerant, wise democracy, led by two cultivated and civilized European statesmen, Benes and Masaryk, doing what they had to to protect their own people, their own nation, their own way of life.

The elites in the Western world do not impress. They failed, they are still failing, to recognize the urgency of anthropogenic global warming. They faile,d they are still failing, to recognize the collapse of public education, one not to be rectified by such making-a-silk-purse-out-of-a-sow's-ears efforts such as that "no-child-left-behind" program that merely makes the best students into a persecuted minority, doomed to be kept back by the levelling tendencies apparent everywhere in American society (except, of courese, when it comes to money, and then as far as differences go, the sky's the limit).

The day of recognition, the day that fateful anagnorisis comes, is being delayed by those elites. They prate. Sarkozy prates about "integration" and "government-funded mosques." Blair used to prate about "extremists" who "hijacked a peaceful religion" which he, Tony Blair, found truly inspirational (he kept a Qur'an in his pocket). They prate about this, they prate about that.

And so do our Presidential candidates. They prate and they blather. Meanwhile, Islam marches on.

Posted by: Hugh at December 20, 2007 12:02 PM

Slightly OT:

The German Ministery of the Interior has just released a 500-page-study revealing Muslim attitudes in Germany. They asked 1750 Muslims (telephone interviews)how far they accept German constitutional values.

40 percent are fundamentally oriented (meaning "Islam, Islam über alles"). As guestimated 3.5 Million Muslims are living in Germany, that means about 1.2 Million.

14 percent have "problematic attitudes", distancing themselves from democracy and accepting violence.

6 percent can be mobilized for combat. That would be 180.000. Mind you, the German army (Bundeswehr) has 250.000 men.

40 percent think violence is legitimate if they feel Islam is threatened by the West.

Almoust 9 percent support suicide bombings.

Noteworthy: Many Muslim students hold theses views (not the poor, downtrodden).

Now our political nomenklatura is tripping all over itself, beeing "puzzled", bewildered" and "disturbed". Among them are many "Islamism experts". Heck if they were experts, they wouldn't be puzzled a bit.

And from Muslim representatives come the usual statements of "let's handle this sensibly" and "if these people understood real Islam, they wouldn't
say such.

The study (pdf, in German)
http://www.bmi.bund.de/Internet/Content/Common/Anlagen/Broschueren/2007/Muslime_20in_20Deutschland,templateId=raw,property=publicationFile.pdf/Muslime%20in%20Deutschland.pdf

Nothing new under the sun...

Posted by: buraq_is_dead at December 20, 2007 12:23 PM

Allah's faithful followers are in deed THE most violent men and women on earth.

More beatings for allah - he must be pleased - but what allah really wants is blood.

Posted by: champ at December 20, 2007 12:29 PM

Never Again?

Posted by: MP at December 20, 2007 12:54 PM

Greetings:

Sometimes things happen in real life that would appear staged if found in a novel or a film. Such is the anti-semitic assault in Paris by North Africans that occurred on the Rue de Albert Camus.

I read one of Camus' short stories once. I forget the title, but it was about a Frenchman who was teaching the locals in Algeria. A policeman comes to his school with an indigenous prisoner who is being transported to his punishment. The policeman insists that the teacher complete the task as the officer has to return. The teacher is reluctant and the next day while in transit lets the prisoner go. When he returns to his classroom there is message on the blackboard from the local terrorists that they are going to get him for what he did to their "brother."

The more things change, the more the stay the same.

Some people just can't be helped.

Posted by: 11B40 at December 20, 2007 12:59 PM

The behavior of the French is just the same as it has been for quite some time, in fact it is the same all over Europe. Ignore the violence directed at the Jews, or any non-muslim, by the muslims and if the muslims wail and whine about something - jump! And make sure not to call them muslims, instead call them 'Asians', or something or other.

Posted by: R_not at December 20, 2007 1:00 PM

The Islamic Republic of France is no place for Jews to live. Actually, it is rapidly becoming no place for any civilized people.
Now for the usual crocodile tears from CAIR-like organizations, with a faint echo from the mainstream. Or maybe this wil be ignored.
If the guy was reciting the Koran, he must be taking verses out of context.

Posted by: jewdog at December 20, 2007 1:22 PM

Plague on both yr houses says-
"Whenever I fill in some form or questionaire with a racial component I mark 'other' and label myself as a person of 'Euro-American' descent."

I put Native American. I and my parents and grandparents were born in St. Louis Missouri. I'm an effing American!
As for the Indians THEY CAME HERE TOO - they're Siberian-Americans.

Posted by: poetcomic1 at December 20, 2007 1:22 PM

Uh Hello! Raid is not a hairspray!

Guess the manufacturers of Raid will have to issue a warning on the can: "Not to be used as hairspray for it may cause brain damage or blindness".

Oh well, it's too late for that, because they already suffer from these ailments.

Posted by: champ at December 20, 2007 1:22 PM

All we do on this site is talk. But no one acts. Now I'm not sugesting that we take the same path as islam. I am certainly not suggesting that we use violence, as islam so easily does, and in fact demands. But what do we do? Nothing. We come on here and express our rage, but ultimately we do nothing. How do we defeat this threat?

Posted by: DaveMate at December 20, 2007 1:22 PM

Plague on both yr houses says-
"Whenever I fill in some form or questionaire with a racial component I mark 'other' and label myself as a person of 'Euro-American' descent."

I put Native American. I and my parents and grandparents were born in St. Louis Missouri. I'm an effing NATIVE of this country!
As for the Indians THEY CAME HERE TOO - they're Siberian-Americans.

Posted by: poetcomic1 at December 20, 2007 1:23 PM

DaveMate wrote,

“All we do on this site is talk. But no one acts. Now I'm not sugesting that we take the same path as islam. I am certainly not suggesting that we use violence, as islam so easily does, and in fact demands. But what do we do? Nothing. We come on here and express our rage, but ultimately we do nothing. How do we defeat this threat?”

NOT SO, Dave (excellent name by the way). When I became aware of the threat of Islam (after reading 10+ books and studying 5 different translations of the Qur’an) I tried to inform as many people as I could. I was quickly frustrated by (among other things) the short attention span of many listeners and the limited time available. I also found I was frequently unable to efficiently convey enough of the core tenets of Islam to illustrate the magnitude of the threat in the minds of many people. I would begin with their attention but all to soon their eyes would begin to glaze over.

I decided what was required was a 2 sided leaflet, something that is short enough that most people would read, yet with enough well organized, concentrated information to make an impression. A lot of effort was put into selection of content, format and presentation. With this tool, the need for urgency in the conversation is eliminated, all that is required is a pleasant casual conversation, just enough to pique interest. Your carefully crafted paper, read by your acquaintance, in private, at his leisure, does the heavy lifting. I carry several copies of 2 leaflets on Islam and Muhammad (folded so they fit neatly into a back pocket) wherever I go.

The first leaflet is mainly about the content of the Qur’an. The second leaflet explains how the Qur’an came into being and who and what Muhammad was.

One leaflet ”Three Questions for Infidels” has a short intro with the question “Why do they hate us?” followed by 20 quotes from the Qur’an. These are: 9:111, 47:4, 4:38, 9:5(verse of the sword), 9:123, 4:91, 3:114, 3:195, 2:189, 4:76, 5:56, 8:12, 8:39, 8:58, 8:67, 9:23, 9:29, 9:33, 9:41, 47:35. The reader is encouraged to purchase a Qur’an and verify for himself what he has just read. The final question is “Have the Islamic terrorists radicalized Islam or is it the other way around?”

The second leaflet is a biography of Muhammad which includes among other things, his “marriage” to 9 year old Aisha, the beheading of the men of the Banu Qurayzah, various assassinations, several torture events, and several rapes committed by Muhammad. Also included is a description of the legalization of the rape of married women “All married women are forbidden unto you save those (captives) whom your right had possesses…” 4:28. Material in both leaflets is taken strictly from Islamic sources (Qur’an, “Sirat Rasul Allah” and various Hadith).

I do not have the heavy artillery of speaking engagements, or a web site, or a book to awaken people to this threat on a large scale. Even if I had these resources I have neither the developed skill nor the time to use them. What I can use is the literary equivalent of a rifle for single, point targets.

I have had good success with these “leaflets” and they are usually much appreciated. My motto is “spreading the word of Allah, one Infidel at a time”. It is not on the scale of Spencer or Fitzgerald but is something that I can do when I am “out and about” and I find it very satisfying.

So get out there Dave and join me in spreading the “Word of Allah” one Infidel at a time - I you will feel much better about things.

Posted by: Davegreybeard at December 20, 2007 1:38 PM

Uh Hello! Raid is not a hairspray!

Posted by: champ at December 20, 2007 1:22 PM

In cesspoolia, it probably is and with good reason.

Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at December 20, 2007 1:39 PM

Swearing on the Quran...Big deal, I swear on the Quran often. Most of not fit to print...

Islam among other nasties, produces bullies.
As you know, bullies must be put in their place, and given an attitude adjustment. So far that has not happened in the European occupied zones.
Occupied by the Islamic crusaders of Europe. A reverse crusade. We have that here in America as well, but the Islamic crusaders here, don't have quite the toe hold as those in Europe. Yet never fear CAIR, the Muslim Brotherhood, others, and lots of Islamic crusaders called 'immigrants', are the Islamic crusaders landing party. They have already taken territory, Dearborne for instance, with many bases, (mosques), in the US. This is stealth warfare, or stealth jihad. At some point we are going to have to repel these Islamic crusaders, before their goal of domination is complete. We better start now, and stay up late, working on this, or it is a big Allahu Akbar in our future...

Posted by: duh_swami at December 20, 2007 1:42 PM

In cesspoolia, it probably is and with good reason.

Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS

Yeah - for treating head lice the size of rodents & other unwanted pests, nothing works quite like RAID!!

Posted by: champ at December 20, 2007 2:04 PM

davemate

I understand your sentiments but this is a site which units many people from many different backgrounds into one anti jihadist movement. many of us, including myself, have created blogs highlighting the dangers of islam. The more blogs out there the less chance that the socialists and jihadists have of shutting us up.
we are also more political, influencing family and friends. it's small fry compared to ayaan hirsi ali or mr spencer.
But me personally I'm involved heavily in politics both sides of the pond, british nationalism and american freedom parties.
Yes we talk on here but we also share ideas and help to spread the word.
one of the main fights at the moment is to keep open the channels of free speech, this is one of my main aims as without free speech we will be driven underground.
Plus davemate, we still have our vote, use it to your best advantage.
cheers

Posted by: leonthepigfarmer at December 20, 2007 2:14 PM

What can we do? I'm at home with my 3 children, ages 7 and under and my life revolves around my husband, home and children. I can't do much of anything, the world would think. However, when I unite my daily work and sufferings to Christ, God says that I can be a powerhouse for the defeat of evil (which after all, isn't that what we're talking about here?). I can pray and live righteously according to God's commandments, and when in the situation calls for it, I can speak the truth, even if I look like an absolute idiot because people think I AM the extremist! And I tell you, that's a heck of alot more than our, uh, leaders are doing.

Posted by: Livinginreality at December 20, 2007 2:34 PM

DaveMate,

I share your frustration. I get quite angry watching the moronic actions of 'the people in charge'. I get pissed as hell being treated like a criminal at a airport when the most serious offence I've committed is one speeding ticket. I was offended to no end when we were given the anal exam over and over to adopt a handicapped child and bring her into the U.S.- yet or borders are wide open to whoever and whatever wants to come on in. Yes, I share you frustrations.

During much of our Republic's history, we didn't have a very large standing army. The idea was that the individual citizens would be prepared, and in time of need could be called upon to come to the aid of the country. How they provided that aid varied from person to person- maybe it was providing material support; or medical services; or maybe it was going into battle- but if everyone played their part the whole effort could benefit.

Times and needs haven't changed- only our mindset.
Do what you can to change the situation. Vote (although I'll admit it looks hopeless); raise hell about it to whoever will listen in any way you can; if your family and close friends are still in the dark start with them, point out the truth of the situation and effect a change whenever possible.
Study, pray, and learn about your own faith and beliefs to keep your heart grounded in truth. Learn the ways of the enemy. Physically prepare your body and material posessions as through you were marching into battle. Whether through your words or your example, lead your family and friends the same way.

I don't think that I alone can change the world. I can, however, paint the corner I'm standing in. I've seen the mindset and actions of coworkers change, too. Our off-work activities and lunch-time talk has changed dramatically in the last few years.

Pray, plan, prepare for whatever might come. You're only one of 300 million people in this Republic- but you're #1 to your family.
Stay steady in the faith, and always remember that you're not alone.

Times haven't changed, only our mindset.

Posted by: livefreeordie! at December 20, 2007 2:43 PM

Davegreybeard - You stated that you have developed two handouts, would you care to share those with me and the others here, there is a great need for materials like that

I also try to engage people in discusions , I hand out cards with websites on them etc... But I too find that it would be helpful to have a short flyer to give to people.

Thanks.....

Posted by: balticwaves at December 20, 2007 2:47 PM

It might seem as though we are doing nothing, but this website gets hundreds of thousands of hits a day. We are only commenters, but the links and opinions in addition to RS' articles, are educating thousands of people a day. Some moslems are even re-thinking the RoP® .

Posted by: interestinconundrum at December 20, 2007 2:50 PM

,,,Islam plans to kill you....

Posted by: exsgtbrown at December 20, 2007 2:54 PM

Davegreybeard,

I think your idea of the leaflets is an excellent idea. I'm sure we've all seen the leaflets that are spread around by fundamentalist Christian groups, introducing people to Jesus Christ and his message of salvation. They normally include appropriate biblical quotes, along with suggested prayers of repentence in order to be saved from their sins and attain eternal salvation.

I think a similiar, mass produced, leaflet outlinining Islam's path to salvation, along with appropriate murderous quotes from the Koran and ahadieth about pigs and apes, killing apostates, views of women and non-Muslims,sanctioned beastiality, would go a long way to enlightening the general public to what this travisity of a religion really represents.

I would happily lay these leaflets around in public places as a public service to my fellow Americans.

If Muslim organizations, or their non-Muslim appologists object, let them refute or explain away the direct Islamic quotes in the leaflets.

Posted by: rational at December 20, 2007 2:55 PM

Thanks for all the replies to my post. My frustration at living in the dhimmi capital of the world makes my blood boil. I like the idea of the leaflets davegreybeard (also a great name by the way). I also appreciate the points made by leon and livefreeordie. I appreciate that we spread the word on this and other sites but I feel it is not enough. I don't think that we get anywhere. At the end of the day we are ignored. Now, if you are a muslim all you have to do is murder people and then shout about your victimhood and before you know it the government has muslim MP's left, right, and centre. We allow muslims to protest in the streets with placards calling for the murder of their hosts and our governments give these retards grants to "improve community cohesion".

I apologise if I appear to insult the good members of this forum, but I really believe that we need to organise our own protests and make a bigger noise than the muslims in order to get anywhere.
My problem is that I do not know how to do that.

But I do appreciate the reponses and the great work you all do on this site. It just doesn't seem enough.

Posted by: DaveMate at December 20, 2007 3:01 PM

All we do on this site is talk. But no one acts ... How do we defeat this threat? - DaveMate

It can be hard to gauge progress when much of the battlefield is inside the minds of those around us, whom we're trying to alert and influence. Not in a useless, fuzzy "hearts and minds" sort of way (which seems to amount in practice to a glorified and extremely expensive form of bribery), but in making a rational appeal concerning what we have and what we stand to lose, both as individuals, and in our non-Islamic cultures.

But we do a great deal by being informed, and being persistent in making those around us aware of the threat, and of the cultural degradation and acquired collective self-loathing that makes our society more inclined to accommodate unacceptable behavior, and to feel it is "impoverished" and in need of "enrichment" from somewhere else, like Islam and its total regulation of every aspect of life.

For that matter, I don't think we simply gather here to vent. Readers and commenters can acquire more information and rhetorical ammunition through discussion in order to make their point to others, and they are also exposed to the various tactics apologists employ in hope of ending or derailing discussions about the texts and teachings of Islam that command, encourage, and govern jihad and dhimmitude. And that means of communication also provides reassurance that one is not alone.

There is always more that can be done (which is at once daunting and inspiring), though of course the specifics depend on the individual and his/her abilities, resources, and circumstances. But the important thing is to persist, and to make our defense of the noble principles of our civilization a reflection of those principles, and leave melting down in frustration and non-productive rage to chanting, flag-burning masses on Friday afternoons in various corners of the world (Not that I mean to imply that's what you're doing-- just trying to wrap up my thoughts here with an illustration of contrasting values).

Posted by: MarisolJW at December 20, 2007 3:01 PM

People - I just did what Robert usually advises and 'read it all'.

After the line about the Koran-quoting thug the article continued:

"Raymond was saved by a Jewish neighbor who went out from his home at the same time. ??'“He saved my life,” the young man said. ??'A witness called police which arrived quickly on the spot and tried in vain to chase the aggressors."

Note: twenty Muslim thugs beating up on one young Jew. Jew # 2 appears on the scene - seemingly this is sufficient to rescue Jew # 1; since reading between the lines one must assume that the thugs had disappeared over the horizon by the time the police arrived.

The article also notes that the nearest police station had recently been closed, causing a rise in drug trafficking and violent antisemitic incidents. Perhaps if the cop shop had been closer, the police would have got there faster and caught the high-tailing thugs.

Conclusions. 1. Muslim gangs are essentially cowardly and if Infidels stick together and are prepared to back each other up, good results may be obtained. 2. A visible presence of Infidel law-enforcement in a neighbourhood does make a difference.

Posted by: dumbledoresarmy at December 20, 2007 3:07 PM

I am surprised "North African and Black men" was actually mentioned - so too the word "koran", when usually these mindless islamic thugs are referred to as "youths".

Hope the victim is ok.

Posted by: Ken CleanAirSystem at December 20, 2007 3:11 PM

The gun laws in France are unknown to me. But the police should allow Jews (and Christians) to be armed, but not allow Muslims. Why? Because no Jews are holding prisoner and torturing to death a Muslim boy, as happened to the Halimi boy. Twenty Jews are not surrounding and attempting to beat to death a Muslim boy, akin to what happened on Camus Street. Nor are French Christians, or post-Christians, or unbelievers, known to anywhere have as a group --- for for that matter as individuals, despite every conceivable provocation, and not merely during those "warm" (chauds) times, but day in and day out, in the banlieues -- have attacked individual Muslims. Not once. Not anywhere.

And the laws about gun ownership should reflect that. Unfair? Why? Who is being threatened? Whose legal and political institutions, whose schools, whose cars, whose forces of order, are being subject to attacks, attacks that sometimes do not involve violence, though they always involve threats, but most often, are violent?

Who is doing what to whom in France? And when will Sarkozy disentangle himself from all of his grand schemes about "integration" and possibly from the embraces of Carla Bruni, in order to deal intelligently, and not with that sentimentalism that caused him to make such a deal about Rachida Dati (akin to Bush with his child-of-privilege obvious sentimentalism about Rice), nor in that frenetic manner he has, the problem of Islam in France. It is a problem, and it will not be solved by "integration." It can be limited, it can be constratined, it can be ridimensionato. Sarkozy, some thought, would know what to do. His inivitation to Qaddafy, and above all his enthusiastic contribution of vast sums ot the "Palestinians," show that he does not know where to put his feet or hands. Except possibly --hands only -- all around Carla Bruni.

Posted by: Hugh at December 20, 2007 3:17 PM

Above, I noted the need for Infidels to stick together. I have two examples to back this up.

First: in the jihadwatch archives there is a brilliant anecdote from Dominic Tabrar-Synge, concerning himself and a group of archaeologists who had just had a frustrating night on a 'salvage dig' in an urban building site somewhere in Britain. As they prepared to head home to bed, a gang of young Muslim thugs approached and initiated a 'conversation' which rapidly became an expression of physical threat. Dominic and his mates had had a hard night in their rain-filled hole. They 'lost' it: in a rage, grouping up, they grabbed their various archaeological implements as weapons and advanced upon the thugs. Pffffft. The soldiers of 'allah' did not wait to find out what an archaeologist's shovel does to the back of your skull...they evaporated. Round #1 to the Infidels.

Second: a friend of mine recently visited France. She described an incident in a railway station. Scene: a LONG queue. I'm not sure of the details, but also in the queue nearest my friend and her young son were three people - a tiny Parisienne de Paris with her three small children; a large black Muslim; and a not-quite-so-large black Englishman, non-Muslim (think English Gentleman, but coloured in black).

I forget the original 'trigger', but the black Muslim began arrogantly scolding the Frenchwoman for 'answering back' to a man, and laying down the law to her on proper behaviour for a woman (i.e. Muslim-style submission and silence). My friend said he was in a spitting rage - a volcano of loud, frightening aggression, all poured out against this little Parisienne.

Non-dhimmi-of-the-year, citizen division, should go to the Parisienne, who answered back that she was a French woman on French soil in her own city and HOW DARE HE SPEAK TO HER LIKE THAT!! She told him it was HER country and if HE didn't like it, he could LEAVE.

The Muslim continued screaming at her, working himself up in a spitting fury.

Now comes the best bit. The black Englishman said, sotto voce, to my friend: "This has got to stop!". At which, my friend says, he swelled himself up like a bullfrog, becoming large and intimidating (a la 'the Hulk'); he marched over to the Muslim and 'loomed' at him, rolling his eyes, exuding righteous wrath, and rebuked him in no uncertain terms.

And guess what? ...pffffft. The soldier of allah backed down and shut up, just. like. that.

Moral: Infidels should stick together and show firmness.

Model anti-dhimmis: one tiny Parisian matron (Joan of Arc would be proud of her), and one black English knight-in-armour.

Posted by: dumbledoresarmy at December 20, 2007 3:29 PM

"We come on here and express our rage, but ultimately we do nothing."

Posted by: DaveMate at December 20, 2007 1:22 PM

If nothing more, we help to preserve the sanctity of this site, keeping it troll-free from the minions who want nothing more than to destroy it along with Robert's credibility.

While most of us enjoy the open comments here, that system can be and has been problematic in the past, due to "loose" comments by the occasional unsavory visitor here.

Helping to keep this vital pedagogical site running with minimum impediment is a worthy cause itself, at least in my opinion.

Posted by: awake at December 20, 2007 3:30 PM

The flyer idea has been brought up in the past. I have created one myself, as well as bumper stickers. The problem is, we have no place to post these things so others can use them. Does anyone know of a place where pdf's and such can be posted? Collaberating on the various flyers would be very helpful in constructing the most effective information.

Posted by: Abrog8 at December 20, 2007 3:40 PM

Hugh - Regarding firearms ownership in France, Sarko is on record as being against civilian possession. Like many Europeans, he regards the capability of visiting violence on others as the sole perogative of the state. Most Europeans would rather see their neighbor become the victim of a crime than allow him/her the capacity to defend themselves. Most Americans regard self defense as, at the very least a God-given right, if not a God-given responsibility. Your readers are invited to consider becoming members of the National Rifle Association, even if they choose not to own firearms.

Posted by: MP at December 20, 2007 4:27 PM

oh, the joys of Eurabia!

Posted by: Crusader at December 20, 2007 4:33 PM

Twenty Muslims attack ONE JEW-how very ISLAMIC-ol
Mo would be so proud!
Surely Sarkozy, himself partly Jewish, can crack down upon growing anti semiticism in Europe & U.K?
Apart from his stand on Turkey, Sarko is rather a
disappointment-seems to be another vain little man
bolstering his ego with models five inches taller
than him a la Rod Stewart...Are any more cars burning in Paris-seems to be a news blackout if there is?

Posted by: Morgane at December 20, 2007 4:35 PM

To all my fellow antijihadis,

The VERY FIRST priority, that we should always keep foremost in mind, is the necessity of educating our fellow Infidels as to the full and complete truth about Islam and Muhammad.

Once a critical mass of Infidels “get it” there will be no “multicultural” political correctness for Islam to hide behind. The reason Islam grows in Europe and elsewhere is because it is not challenged. To the extent that you alert one Infidel to the evil of Islam – you are helping defeat it. Knowing your enemy is the first step.

I would be happy to share the leaflets I have created with anyone. As of yet I have not found a way to make them accessible to those who wish to view them.

Posted by: Davegreybeard at December 20, 2007 4:43 PM

MP

got my NRA membership a few months ago. Just received my first "freedom" magazine this afternoon, will read it tonight.

Posted by: leonthepigfarmer at December 20, 2007 4:43 PM

Welcome to the NRA Leon!

I am a Life Member myself. Since you are "across the pond" your joining is doubly impressive.

Posted by: Davegreybeard at December 20, 2007 4:50 PM

dumbledoresarmy

I was on a train heading from the city of London to Harrow about 5 years ago.
A gang of pakistanis got on hte train and full of ego and aggression, trying to intimidate the workers going home, and a group of little old white ladies.

One of the gang approached me aggressively and said "time" pointing at his wrist. i said "well if you ask me f***ing nicely i might tell you the f**king time". Please bear in mind that i had spent 1 week on salisbury plain with a bunch of hardcore military trainers specialised in long range reconnaissance and survival, i was a reserve soldier heading back to my local pub after a week in hell. 1 week of being around Britain's finest and this piece of s##t gets on with his mates, please. His mates told him to come back over to them. They could see i would have probably chopped part of his face off, see, i had my hand in my bag which had a mud encrusted entrenching tool waiting inside.

we should not back down from these pigs. they are on our lands and they have declared war on us.

Posted by: leonthepigfarmer at December 20, 2007 4:52 PM

Davegreybeard

I'm in the US now, fighting the Jihad on both sides of the Atlantic!

Posted by: leonthepigfarmer at December 20, 2007 4:55 PM

On the subject of Islamic anti-Semitism, I recommend this booklet:

http://www.terrorismawareness.org/files/NaziRoots.pdf

Similarity between German and Islamic anti-Semitism are not coincidiential, far from it. The connection is direct and extensive. Worth knowing.

Posted by: Henrik at December 20, 2007 5:07 PM

Poetcomic1 - you know, you're right. I'm Native American too. I never thought of it that way.

Could you send me a note at a_plague_on_both_houses@hotmail.com from an email account that isn't directly tied to you? I'd like to exchange some information with you.

thanks.

Posted by: A_Plague_on_Both_Houses at December 20, 2007 5:11 PM

leonthepigfarmer,

Let me welcome you to the land of schizophrenia. If I am not diving to deep into your personal business, what brought you to this side of the pond?

I have seen several comments about private gun ownership. Unfortunately we, pro-gun ownership, have had to give some ground to the anti-gun fools. So far we have been successful in preventing the further abrogation of our rights guaranteed by the Constitution. When there has been discussion about who to vote for in the upcoming elections it has primarily, and rightly so, focused on a candidates islam stance. Please also take into consideration a candidates stance and history in regards to the 2nd Amendment/Article of the Bill of Rights.

Posted by: Kevin at December 20, 2007 5:17 PM

Okay, I give up. What is "raid-haired"?

Posted by: special_guest at December 20, 2007 5:23 PM

Frankly, I think the word "Vigilante" has been unfairly demonized in our country. The vigilantes of the old West were law-abiding citizens who banded together to protect themselves against being victimized and dominated by murderous outlaws who had no respect for civilization or its norms.

It might go against our grain as civilized Westerners, but vigilantism might have to be resurrected as a response to Muslim attempts to victimize and dominate us in our own countries -- especially since Western governments themselves seem loath to doing what's necessary to protect their own citizens from the holy outlaws of Islam.

Maybe if the 20 Muslim thugs in Paris thought they'd be looking down the barrel of a rifle if they terrorized innocent Infidels on their own streets, they might have hesitated to act out their holy warrior mentality. But, right now,they have very little to worry about.

Posted by: rational at December 20, 2007 5:40 PM

"Twenty Muslims attack ONE JEW-how very ISLAMIC-ol
Mo would be so proud!"

Posted by: Morgane

Aren't those about the same odds that Israel has faced in its various wars with the Arabs?

Posted by: ebonystone at December 20, 2007 6:02 PM

Davegreybeard
Any chance of getting an electronic copy of your leaflets ?

Posted by: Freedom at December 20, 2007 6:03 PM

The problem is where to post it so people can get it. I’d be happy to get them to you but:

I do not have a web site, or the time to create one for this purpose. (I did attempt to create a blog but that didn’t work for reasons to numerous to list here). I send them to my friends as an attachment to an email, as they are in “Word” format. We have no way of contacting each other directly do to necessary security concerns so we are kind of stuck.

Posted by: Davegreybeard at December 20, 2007 6:29 PM

Freedom,

Epiphany! Perhaps there is a way.

Right after my last post I did some fiddling with the “profile” box that appears after my user id. When I signed on to post at JW, I put in a short profile and my email address. I also recall checking a box that allowed sharing my email address with others. When I click on my “profile box” I notice there is a pick to email me. So try sending me an email and I will reply with both leaflets attached.

I have never tried this before but maybe it will work!

Posted by: Davegreybeard at December 20, 2007 6:43 PM

Davegraybeard, I live in Paris and have two leaflets that I regularly leave on trains and then watch people read them. They do seem to have quite a success. When I'm feeling rich I go onto Amazon and order Bat Ye'or and Robert Spencer books and arrange to have them sent. For example, I have sent Bat Ye'ors Eurabia to Tony Blair at 10 Downing Street and the latest Robert Spencer book to the Religious Education teacher of my old school.

I tried to send something to Michael Savage but couldn't get past the Paypal so I have given up.

I also have Islamophibic stickers that wind up stuck on lampposts and letter boxes. There was a muslim couple who seemed to be interested in buying an empty shop on my road. They kept visiting and taking measurements. I started to put stickers all along the street and especially near the shop they were interested in. It appears that they changed their mind. I don't know if the stickers had anything to do with it, but it can't have done any harm.

As for gun laws here. It is not difficult to get a hunting licence or belong to a shooting club. Of course you are not allowed to use them in self defence but in a dangerous situation I'd take my chances with the courts rather than with the slaves of allah.

Posted by: Sebastien at December 20, 2007 6:58 PM

Sebastien,

You're doing the Lord's work brother! Glad to hear you are industriously and creatively doing your part to fight the forces of evil and darkness.

Are you French or just residing there?

If you have any of your material in English and in an electronic format I would be very interested in seeing it. Try to email me if so.

Kill the Jihadi - Educate the Muslim

Deus Vult!

Posted by: Davegreybeard at December 20, 2007 7:11 PM

Maybe if the 20 Muslim thugs in Paris thought they'd be looking down the barrel of a rifle if they terrorized innocent Infidels on their own streets, they might have hesitated to act out their holy warrior mentality. But, right now,they have very little to worry about.

Posted by: rational

Either way, they have little to worry about. Wouldn't many of them have welcomed the opportunity to die for Allah? In their sick minds, they can't lose. They attack an enemy of Allah. They walk away satisfied or else they die for their idol. Either way, it's paradise here we come! The Charles Bronson who put them where they belonged would probably end up in jail, not be quietly asked to move out of town.

Posted by: PMK at December 20, 2007 7:17 PM

leonthepigfarmer

You mentioned that you are involved in politics on both sides of the pond. How could a young American fellow like myself get more involved politically?

I would love to run for office someday, but I don't have the slightest clue how someone does that.

Posted by: GuitarBob at December 20, 2007 7:30 PM

"Either way, they have little to worry about. Wouldn't many of them have welcomed the opportunity to die for Allah? In their sick minds, they can't lose. They attack an enemy of Allah. They walk away satisfied or else they die for their idol. Either way, it's paradise here we come! The Charles Bronson who put them where they belonged would probably end up in jail, not be quietly asked to move out of town."

posted by : PMK

I think the trick will be finding a way for them to kill themselves for allah without them killing someone else in the process.

Our enemy is suicidal there has to be way for that to work towards our advantage.

Posted by: GuitarBob at December 20, 2007 7:34 PM

davemate...."Now, if you are a muslim all you have to do is murder people and then shout about your victimhood and before you know it the government has muslim MP's left, right, and centre"

spot on comment there, it's true, remember the oldham riots, they drove burning cars filled with gas canisters at the cops, reminiscent of hte glasgow airport attack. they fired shotguns, rained down petrol bombs on the police. i remember watching, no i remember screaming at the TV, "WHERE THE HELL ARE THE PARAS???" as those cops just stood in a line with their plastic shields, and I watched with tears as one by one they were felled by the bricks, and the bombs.

And "our" government's response? more money for "youth centers", more money for their community, build them more mosques, stop the "stop and searches" of young asian gangs, spend millions in research groups, warn the imams whenever the police want to raid a jihadist mosque (the police have to take their shoes off before they storm the mosque).

Finally dave mate, I read an article today in the BBC, well 2 articles, juxtaposed together. one was a sympathetic look at the 3 guatanamo "britons" who have been re-arrested and face extradition (given bail) to spain. the article seemed to focus more on their lawyer and other pathethic "nigel" types who stated that as usual the men are innocent.
The 2nd article I read was different, it was about a ballerina! she is somehow more of a threat towards British social stability than your average guatanamo prisoner. This BNP ballerina is actually going to marry a councillor in the BNP, and get this, the BBC was perplexed that she has a mixed race child!!! Gosh it really upset the BBC.

Posted by: leonthepigfarmer at December 20, 2007 7:56 PM

guitar bob

http://www.loyalistparty.com/

ask these blokes and lasses to canvas for them and they will send you a ton of stuff to hand out.

Posted by: leonthepigfarmer at December 20, 2007 7:57 PM

"...who did not cease swearing on the Koran while beating his victim."

I guess Islam had nothing to do with it.

Posted by: S Perry at December 20, 2007 7:58 PM

Re: What can we do?

Speaking as one, I met with my community’s Development Director and shared some choice Qur’an quotes, and examples of what happens when Allah comes to town. I then proposed this for the next code re-write:

Building applications for faith-based developments shall include an impact assessment that shall include, as a minimum, impacts on surrounding property values and community services. The Community Development Director may, at his discretion, require that an independent consultant approved by his department conduct this study. The developer shall be responsible to mitigate all costs associated with his development.

The proposal got watered down for fear of controversy, so the ‘faith-based’ is out. But the other language will be in (so I’m told). The impacts of shoe stores are pretty well documented, as are the impacts of a Mosque. Just as long as somebody has to pay to mitigate their own impacts, everybody is happy. There is justice in 'to each his own'.

Posted by: pez at December 20, 2007 7:59 PM

Can this guy sue these animals? In the US, we'd be looking at a multimillion dollar lawsuit.

Posted by: Wimbledon Womble at December 20, 2007 7:59 PM

North African Men," swearing on Qur'an, brutally attack Paris Jewish teen

Wish i could swear on a koran,
just can't see spending that much money buying one!!!!!

Posted by: OLD SARGE at December 20, 2007 8:02 PM

Abrog8, DaveMate, rational, balticwaves,

And any one else who is interested in the “leaflets” mentioned above, send me an email (click on my profile box after “davegreybeard”). I will send them back as an attachment.

Abrog8, send me yours if you will – let’s compare weapons!

Posted by: Davegreybeard at December 20, 2007 8:45 PM

I too would like the leaflet. Hoping we can find ways to share it.

Happy CHRISTmas

Porky Pig

Posted by: PorkyPig at December 20, 2007 9:31 PM

To those wanting to become more active in anti-jihad advocacy you may want to sign up for ACT! for America, an organization led by Brigette Gabriel. Regular JW readers will recognize sevral names on the Board of Directors, including our host, Robert Spencer.

They will forming local chapters, quite soon, I hope. Here is a link for signing up to form a local chapter:

http://tool.donation-net.net/public/ACT/petitionentrance/enter.cfm?dn=1097&source=2000&CFID=4113784&CFTOKEN=37889889

Posted by: USorThem at December 20, 2007 10:28 PM

There's ACT! for America, there's http://www.unitedamericancommittee.org/ (very active; they publish and distribute leaflets, I am sure they'd be interested in yours, davegreybeard), there's http://www.vigilantfreedom.org/910forum/ (a loose "big umbrella" international meeting place and incubator).
Kaffirs of the world, unite!
Educating your neighbor is great, educating educators even better, but it is in organizing and networking that power lies, else we'll never reach that "critical mass".

Posted by: kuchuklambat at December 21, 2007 2:08 AM

""Twenty Muslims attack ONE JEW-how very ISLAMIC-ol
Mo would be so proud!"

Posted by: Morgane"

.....the world has seen similiar incidents often:

....Muslims attact/kill teacher
....Muslims attact/kill journalist
....Muslims attack/kill traveler
....Muslims attack/kill student
....Muslims attack/kill rape victim
....Muslims attack/kill TV anchor woman
....Muslims attack/kill Ice cream vendor
....Muslims attack/kill Rubber tree plantation worker
....Muslims attack/kill Christian cleric
....Muslims attack/kill kids playing soccer
....Muslims attack/kill people watching soccer on tv
....Muslims attact/kill children who accepted bits of candy from US soldiers
....Muslims attack/kill women for not wearing veil
....Muslims attack/kill Muslims for not praying
....Muslims attack/kill Barbers
....Muslims attack/kill men getting beard trimmed at barbershop
,,,,Muslims attack/kill young people surfing the internet at internet cafe
....Muslims attack/kill beach goers for showing too much skin
....Muslims attack/kill aid workers administering polio vaccines
....MUslims attack/kill aid workers for distributing food
....Muslims attack/kill construction workers building schools
....Muslims attack/kill construction workers building road to schools
....Muslims attack/kill Muslims who leave Islam
....Muslims attack/kill farmers growing food instead of opium
....hmmmmm...Muslims just love to kill......

Ban Muslim Immigration....

Posted by: exsgtbrown at December 21, 2007 6:52 AM

We have no way of contacting each other directly do to necessary security concerns so we are kind of stuck.
Posted by: Davegreybeard

Another way of doing that is to create a fictitious E-mail address, as on Hotmail. It only takes a short time to do so. If both parties did that info could be shared under the radar...

Posted by: duh_swami at December 21, 2007 9:56 AM

The only problem I have with identifying the perps as "North African" is that i have met French North Africans who have either exited or are exiting Islam--often over such things as the event posted. BTW, I'm slightly "off-white" myself.

Posted by: Kepha at December 21, 2007 10:42 AM

Regarding comment above by "duh_swami" about being able to contact one-another. You may be interested in joining the B'nai Elim Blog , and/or becomming a member of B'nai Elim. Check out our web site at www.bnaielim.org. We are the only proactive Jewish organization actively fighting radical Islam. Toda ve Shalom, Velvel ben Moshe

Posted by: Moshe at December 21, 2007 12:53 PM

Regarding comment above by "duh_swami" about being able to contact one-another. You may be interested in joining the B'nai Elim Blog http://BnaiElim.blogspot.com,and/or becomming a member of B'nai Elim. Check out our web site at www.bnaielim.org. We are the only proactive Jewish organization actively fighting radical Islam. Toda ve Shalom, Velvel ben Moshe

Posted by: Moshe at December 21, 2007 12:55 PM

We have no way of contacting each other directly do to necessary security concerns so we are kind of stuck.
Posted by: Davegreybeard

Another way of doing that is to create a fictitious E-mail address, as on Hotmail. It only takes a short time to do so. If both parties did that info could be shared under the radar...
Posted by: duh_swami
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That's exactly what I did -- mine is personofthebook@yahoo.com. My blog is http://personofthebook.blogspot.com. Both are free of charge and totally anonymous.

I use that email address on every website at which I make any comment about Islam. And I put "USA" for my location. No need to get any more specific than that.

(By the way, I'm proud to be lumped in together with the Jews -- Christians and Jews are both called "People of the Book" by these scumbags and their pedophile leader.)

That's the only way I can freely speak, because you have scumbags out there who would do an "inner spiritual struggle" against either me or someone in my family.

Posted by: PersonOfTheBook at December 21, 2007 2:23 PM

Livinginreality:

I can appreciate your frustration, but YOU ARE doing something; some of us do some small act or communicate in subtle ways, every day, as well as post on our special sites. I am noticing more awareness amongst the general population and people are getting quite angry. Hang in there, you're not alone, WE'RE not alone.

Have a Blessed CHRISTmas.

Posted by: ElizaDoolittle at December 21, 2007 5:39 PM

ElizaDoolittle - you posted "some of us do some small act or communicate in subtle ways, every day".

Here's how I did it this year. I have a lot of relatives and a lot of friends-and-acquaintances, quite a few of them academics. Every year my husband and I enclose, in our cards, a 'newsletter'. Because I am the family bookworm, that newsletter always includes 'book reviews' - each friend or relation whom I deem might be interested, gets told about the 'best books I have read this year'. i.e., a 'have you heard about this great book?!'

So: my Christmas letters contained individually-tweaked rave reviews for Robert Spencer's top three/ four books, and sometimes also (depending on the recipient) recommendations of Bat Yeor, Andrew Bostom and (for the Christians) Mark Durie's book on the differences between Christianity and Islam. The 'intellectual/academic' friends were also referred to Naipaul's "Among the Believers".

The friend whose daughter is studying 'International Relations' got a list of 'books your daughter really ought to read ASAP'; as did the friend whose daughter works with the Australian forces in East Timor, and the friend whose daughter works in either Defence or Intelligence (I forget which). The favourite aunt, who belongs to the Australian Diplomatic Corps, got particular attention - with books also recommended for her two daughters, both lawyers, one of whom specialised in International Law and Human Rights (I mentioned Joseph Schacht, and Antoine Fattal - the aunt can read French).

Now we see what happens.

Oh yes: and the brother who is a member of the State Emergency Services is being given a copy of "PIG to Islam and the Crusades", since part of his training involves preparing to respond to terror attacks.

Posted by: dumbledoresarmy at December 21, 2007 9:12 PM

I should add that two people got back to me and I had fascinating conversations.

One friend had recently visited France - her report of the state of things in Paris was total confirmation of the story under discussion on this thread, and of every other story out of France that has come up on Jihadwatch and dhimmi watch lately.

She reported that everywhere she went, particularly at significant sites such as the Joan of Arc memorial, the Chapel of St Denis, and Notre Dame, she saw arrogant, aggressive Muslim youths - and grown men, too, sometimes - "loitering with intent", leering, sneering and jeering at any lone woman, intimidating the tourists, and employing verbal and even physical aggression. It was as if they had 'staked out' the place - like an occupying army.

Meanwhile, back in Australia, she has three Turkish brothers and their mother for neighbours. One of whom had once asked her - on overhearing her happily singing the 'te deum' around the house - why she was 'singing her prayers'. I was able to explain the context of this remark: that Quranic Islam fears and suspects music and forbids its use in worship; and moreover, that under the dhimma, non-Muslims were forbidden to sing or pray loudly, anywhere that Muslims might hear them.

Another friend (wife of a priest, and Anglo-Indian by ancestry) had heard Patrick Sookhdeo speak at a missionary convention last year. She also has two sets of neighbours: a Bengali Muslim family who are effusively friendly toward her; and a Bangladeshi Hindu family, with whose sons her sons play soccer. She was describing to me how the Hindu woman seems absolutely terrified of the Muslim woman despite the latter's apparently friendly overtures - and that the Hindu had explained to her (my friend) that she and her family had migrated to Australia from Bangladesh to escape Muslim persecution. I was able to confirm to my friend that the Hindu lady's fears were entirely justified, that she had told the flat truth.

I don't think either friend had read Spencer or Mark Durie but I hope they take my advice and do so.

Posted by: dumbledoresarmy at December 21, 2007 9:29 PM

"I have had good success with these “leaflets” and they are usually much appreciated. My motto is “spreading the word of Allah, one Infidel at a time”. It is not on the scale of Spencer or Fitzgerald but is something that I can do when I am “out and about” and I find it very satisfying.

So get out there Dave and join me in spreading the “Word of Allah” one Infidel at a time - I you will feel much better about things.
Posted by: Davegreybeard "

I admire you for your resolve, but frankly I would be nervous as hell handing out out such leaflets in Canada, no matter how factual and accurate. Look what's happening with Mark Steyn and MacLeans Magazine merely for telling the truth. It remains to be seen whether Canada's legal system is really willing to define telling the verifiable truth as "hate speech" just because it happens to piss off certain members of a group.

Could you copy the content of your leaflets and post it here? I'm interested in reading it. Thanks.

Posted by: angloirishslav at December 21, 2007 10:42 PM

" What is raid haired?"

This is a solution that some use to address two problems. The carrier fluid in a commercial insecticide gives the hair additional body for styling while attacking the insects usually found clinging to their scalp area.

Posted by: pismopal at December 21, 2007 10:57 PM

An addendum to my last post; to anyone thinking of handing out leaflets in Canada or anywhere, I would recommend highlighting AT THE VERY TOP of the leaflets the anti-Jewish and racist content of the Quran and other Islamic texts; that would put paid to any notion of accusing you of being a rabid far-Right White supremicist and/or neo-Nazi. As I've mentioned time and time again, we in this movement cannot distance ourselves far enough from neo-Nazis and White Supremicists; don't give those we are trying to educate the slightest reason to suspect we have anything in common with those scumbags. It's a big problem in Europe now, and one of the main reasons why Stop the Islamicization of Europe can't get much mainstream support.

Posted by: angloirishslav at December 21, 2007 11:00 PM

angloirishslav -
as for highlighting the anti-Jewish aspect of Islam -

You'll find lotsof material in Andrew Bostom's "Legacy of Islamic Antisemitism" which was supposed to come out this year.

In the meantime, here's some ammunition.

In one of Dr Bostom's frontpage articles I encountered a startling piece of information, which makes a fantastic "depth charge" to use against the popular assumption that Muslim/ 'Palestinian' antisemitism is a purely modern phenomenon 'caused' by the rise of the modern State of Israel and/or by the evil influence of Western 'Christian' antisemitism. I quote:

'Notwithstanding that he may never have encountered an actual Jew, the 17th century Indian Sufi jurist Sirhindi (d. 1621) expressed an (archetypal) sentiment, whose ultimate origins can be traced to the sacralized behaviors of the Muslim prophet Muhammad himself.

'Sirhindi wrote:
“Whenever a Jew is killed, it is for the benefit of Islam”.

India. Before 1621. The Jews in the Muslim world were a tiny, scattered, powerless, despised minority. Sirhindi probably knew zilch about the Jews inside Christendom, who were not very visible, either. And yet Sirhindi's statement is mindboggling for its virulence; in its casual assumption that killing Jews is a good thing.

Posted by: dumbledoresarmy at December 22, 2007 12:40 AM

angloirishslav,

And anyone else who is concerned for their safety in passing out leaflets, or who wish to know the content of such, post back, I have a message for you.

I have not looked at this thread for several days, Christmas you know. I see several new posters – if you are still here, let me know.

Posted by: Davegreybeard at December 24, 2007 1:57 PM