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Violence during the Hajj? Unthinkable!
"Saudis bust ring planning hajj attack: Arabiya," from AFP (thanks to all who sent this in):
DUBAI (AFP) - Saudi authorities have arrested an Al-Qaeda linked group planning to carry out terrorist attacks during the annual hajj pilgrimage, Al-Arabiya television quoted security officials as saying Friday.The Saudi sources said the arrests were carried out in several different cities of the kingdom.
"The group aimed to trouble the security of the pilgrimage" which has this week attracted some 2.5 million Muslim pilgrims from around the world at Islam's holiest sites in western Saudi Arabia, the television report said.
Members of the group, whose number was unknown, were arrested "three days before the start of the hajj season", or at the end of last week, the sources told the Dubai-based Arab satellite station.
Posted by Robert at December 21, 2007 9:27 PM
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Such a volatile and unstable mass of people united by a system of belief that is intolerant and regressive. This is not, after all, the first time violence or the threat of violence has coincided with public expressions of Islam; rather, it seems to be a commonplace.
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at December 21, 2007 9:39 PM
Gee, it won't seem like a hajj at all without a bombing or a riot or a massacre.
Posted by: ebonystone at December 21, 2007 9:45 PM
trouble the security
Probably code for blow the place up. Had they done that how long before Islam blames the Jews and attacks them...
Posted by: duh_swami at December 21, 2007 9:58 PM
People for Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA) is after Christian monks (http://www.charleston.net/news/2007/dec/20/mepkin_abbey_stop_selling_eggs_under_pressure_peta/), yet they support halal viability studies and supports Islamic crazies (http://www.islamicconcern.com/halalmeat.asp) with money we donate!
According to PETA it is bad to raise chicken but, okay to kill animals the "halal" way!
at December 21, 2007 9:59 PM
Oh I'm so glad that the Saudis arrested these men! That would've been terrible. Congratulations to the Saudi forces, the bestest most toppermost most poppermost police force in the world! May Vanessa Redgrave shower you with praise and thank you, thank you for stopping this slaughter which would've been really horrible.
Posted by: leonthepigfarmer at December 21, 2007 10:04 PM
Saudi society created this Frankenstein monster and infused it with a set of damaged spiritual values, unrecognizable to any civilized idea of what constitutes morality, so why should they be suprised that their creation wants to turn and tear them to pieces?
Posted by: rational
at December 21, 2007 10:07 PM
Islam = the Religion of Pandemonium (NOT the Religion of Peace).
pandemonium defined: 1. the abode of all demons; the infernal regions 2. extreme disorder or uproar
Seems to fit!
Definitely the Religion of Pandemonium!
Posted by: champ at December 21, 2007 10:13 PM
As usual the biggest killers of Koranists are other Koranists.
Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at December 21, 2007 10:42 PM
The Saudis are very good at keeping order on the subcontinent. In the land of Mohammed, Islam truly is the religion of peace.
Solution: restrict all Muslims to the land of Mohammed. Once they get there, they can't leave. Those who are born there can never leave, not even to go to "school", the place from which many Saudis were recruited to blow themselves up in Iraq.
Hey, aside from his dream trip, didn't Mohammed spend his entire life in Arabia? The example of the prophet should be followed by all Muslims in all aspects.
Posted by: PMK at December 21, 2007 10:51 PM
OT
Channel 4
Make me a muslim
3 episodes 5 parts each
part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNB6mAF1tO4
Do the skin care girl and the gay guy convert? Anyone else? It doesn't say.
Do they bother to find out the nasty side of islam? No.
Posted by: Borg at December 21, 2007 11:01 PM
Gee, it won't seem like a hajj at all without a bombing or a riot or a massacre.
Posted by Ebonystone
Or a stampede in the vicinity of the pagan idol. I was just thinking the other day how tragic it would be if some lunatics dropped a bomb in the middle of this hysterical mob. The Haj is definitely a target rich environment, the perfect mark for the millions of Christian terrorists that usually target abortion clinics. Being the diabolical fiends that they are, I'm sure they could figure out a way to sneak into the cursed city of Mecca posing as muslims.
Posted by: Susanp at December 21, 2007 11:06 PM
Why would any Muslim plan to kill other Muslims fulfilling one of the Five Pillars? Islam is a religion of peace. Muslims only fight back when they are threatened in self-defense.
Oh, sorry, I just woke up from a dream.
Posted by: Wimbledon Womble at December 21, 2007 11:08 PM
A real Hajj podge!
Posted by: Wimbledon Womble at December 21, 2007 11:10 PM
Okay, so once everybody is under Islam (just like in Saudi Arabia) there STILL isn't any peace. If you're Muslim and you're not safe at hajj in S.A., where will you be safe? I guess like laughter and love, there just isn't any safety in Islam, ever.
Borg, that link you sent made my skin crawl. Could these people actually be that stupid as to try Islam on for size? I like how the Imam is doing his kinder, gentler Islam act. I wonder if he would be so open minded and tolerant of the lingerie model who doesn't want to wear modest clothing, if they were shooting this show in Egypt? She'd probably already be raped and dead by now.
I also liked the mother with the funky hair streaks telling the Imam where she was coming from about covering up, like he gives a flying flip. I'm sure this show was created to rally the British Muslims and encourage them to continue their takeover.
I've always felt a connection to the British and respected them as our allies, but I must say, this show makes native born Brits look like a bunch of blooming idiots. These folks cannot see the forest for the trees.
Oh William the Conqueror, Henry V, Winston Churchill, where are you when we need you the most?
Posted by: Isabellathecrusader at December 21, 2007 11:32 PM
Borg,
Check out the part where the Muslim woman take the model Muslim clothes shopping. When the model is trying on the head scarfs and not liking it, the Muslim woman says "The head scarf is for your protection and keep you safe"
Is ANYONE in the UK listening? Hello?
at December 22, 2007 12:55 AM
Considering what happened in 1979 when the Saudis didn't catch an operation like this (see Yaroslav Trofimov's "The Siege of Mecca")*, I have to give them two cheers.
Well, maybe one.
Posted by: Papa Whiskey at December 22, 2007 2:18 AM
Papa Whiskey, thanks for that link. I had forgotten about the Grand Mosque Seizure back in 1979. Wikipedia reports that after the Saudi Royal Family had killed or captured the jihadists...
... in Iran Ayatollah Khomeini told radio listeners that, "It is not beyond guessing that this is the work of criminal American imperialism and international Zionism." Muslim anti-American demonstrations followed in the Philippines, Turkey, Bangladesh, India, Kuwait, eastern Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates and Pakistan. Anger fueled by these rumors peaked within hours in Islamabad, Pakistan [editor's note: our good friend and strong ally], and on November 21, 1979, the day following the takeover, the U.S. embassy in that city was overrun by a mob, which then burned the embassy to the ground. A week later this anger swept to the streets of Tripoli, Libya where a mob attacked and burned the U.S. embassy there on December 2, 1979.
That's right, Saudi Muslims kill Saudi Muslims in Saudi Arabia, and Muslims' worldwide response is to burn down U.S. embassies. This s*** has been going on for a long time.
Posted by: special_guest at December 22, 2007 2:54 AM
All this fuzz over a ritual that Muhammad added to Islam because he considered it a religious taboo that could not be changed?
It was performed at least five generations before Muhammad, deep in the "Age of Ignorance". It's completely pagan. It's a wonder that Muslims can even take these weird and unintelligible rituals seriously. I mean, rubbing a black stone? Trowing pebbles? Circumambulating the 'holy' Kaaba? Idolatry, paganism and senseless ritualism, void of any rational explanation.
Somehow, it seems the "Age of Ignorance" ain't quite over...
Posted by: Henrik at December 22, 2007 4:49 AM
Before Americans get all hyped-up about Saudis way to go' and all.. remember these are rthe same wahhabbis who:
- Bombed Khobar.
- Attacked USA on 9/11.
- Beheaded Paul Johnson.
- Made dubya dance on 'Islamofascist' reference.
- Made Israel enter from different door.
- Belong to the same ummah, that follows the cult to behead non-Muslims.
Think about that.
Posted by: Alert at December 22, 2007 7:02 AM
Bah, a couple of Ramadans and Eids, they won't serve much time...
Posted by: DJM at December 22, 2007 7:41 AM
Belgium frees 14 terror suspects
http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/europe/12/22/belgium.terrorism.ap/index.html
Posted by: anti islamocommunist at December 22, 2007 7:47 AM
No one has killed more Muslims than Muslims. Islam is a curse for the Muslims, specially the weaker ones (women, underaged girls, etc).
Posted by: Crusader at December 22, 2007 7:52 AM
Murderers, liars, thieves, vermin, scum, scourge of humanity, conspirators against the rights of humanity. The wahabi marauding saudis want to claim victim status against themselves in the name of their islam. This is not as reported a "Hajj" attack, in the sense that religious moslems will be attacked by other moslems, no this is, assuming it is not a propaganda ploy to begin with, an alleged attack by one set of monsters, the ben laden one against the other set of monsters, the saudi one, for rule of the caliphate. No attack was planned against annual hajj pilgrims, as is confusingly reported. Rather, the attacks were intended to overthrow the ruling Sauds and hurt the infidels by blowing up the Saudi oil fields.
After notice to the tribal leaders of Pakistan where ben laden is believed to be hiding to turn him over or you are subject to being bombed into the stone age, the area should be bombed so thoroughly that the savages will believe that allah is on the side of the infidels. Concerning the plot of ben laden to blow up the Saudi oil fields, this is something the infidel should be doing itself.
Posted by: David England at December 22, 2007 8:09 AM
Don't worry everyone. The Saudi king will pardon them. After all, we don't want to think that Islam isn't a "forgiving" Islam, do we?
George Orwell couldn't have imagined a worse reality than the one that exists in Islam. It's interesting to me that totalitarianism is the same whether its dressed in a flag or religious text.
Here's the bottom line. Islam is a political platform. That's that. It needs to be defeated poltically, economically, socially, and in some cases with force (I think para-military operations are more appropriate than what we've done in Iraq). The West needs to stop giving Islam footholds in Europe and other countries that embrace everything Islam does not.
No more economic ties with Islamic governments until they embrace OUR way of life: true equality, freedom from/of religion, etc..
No more Arab supremacism/racism.
No more Islamic jihad.
No more Ummah-sponsored terrorism.
No more. No more. No more. If not, then we cut ties with you. That's the only way we're going to 'win' anything, or at least preserve our way of life in the long-run.
Posted by: antishock8 at December 22, 2007 8:31 AM
Borg,
I've only seen the first part, so far. Seems like the young gay guy, Luke, thinks being a Muslim is like keeping Kosher--a choice.
Posted by: Abscedere at December 22, 2007 8:46 AM
"I'm sure this show was created to rally the British Muslims and encourage them to continue their takeover."
Posted by: isabellathecrusader
Isabella,
I'm sure you're right about this. I can tell you my instinctive reaction is rebellion. I've only watched Part 1 so far, but something tells me Borg has hit the mother lode of examples!
When the whiners start in with the moral relativity crap, this will be a must-see!
Posted by: Abscedere at December 22, 2007 8:52 AM
"I'm sure this show was created to rally the British Muslims and encourage them to continue their takeover."
Posted by: isabellathecrusader
Isabella,
I'm sure you're right about this. I can tell you my instinctive reaction is rebellion. I've only watched Part 1 so far, but something tells me Borg has hit the mother lode of examples!
When the whiners start in with the moral relativity crap, this will be a must-see!
Posted by: Abscedere at December 22, 2007 8:54 AM
My double post was caused by a weird error. I don't remember the message, vebatim, but it was something about this file not existing.
Someone may be trying to monkey with something on this site. Not that I'm paranoid, or anything.
Posted by: Abscedere at December 22, 2007 8:58 AM
This is just the toxic Saudis running scared.
They made their deal with fundamental islam - to fund it and export it - but they are afraid that freelancers (a perversion of that word), will not abide by the terms.
Also, they know, as untrustworthy backstabbers, that they themselves cannot be trusted, so they trust no one else, so they are shooting in all directions, hoping to quell what they hope is not inevitable.
Posted by: dgene at December 22, 2007 9:15 AM
???Paranoid???Paranoid?????
Naw, just kidding. There is a ghost in the machine, and it ain't Christmas Past!
Abscedere, it is so obvious that that show, coupled with that "Islam is Peace" campaign over in England has Muslims thinking they have already taken over, and from the way the native Brits on that show act, (and their leaders,) it looks like the Muslims have succeeded. Honestly, since we know Muslims practice lying to spread the rule of Islam, this show is really Islam for Dummies. Wait until they get to graduation day, and having said the shahada, will be handed their certificate of completion and told, BTW, you are now irreversibly a Muslim and if you try to leave, we'll kill you. Merry Christmas, infidel! Let's see what hair streak lady and Miss big boobs think when they find out about that.
And that reminds me of something else; if Jews and Christians are pigs and monkeys, then do you stop being a pig or a monkey if you submit to Islam and become a Muslim? How convenient.
Posted by: Isabellathecrusader at December 22, 2007 9:45 AM
"this show is really Islam for Dummies."
Posted by: Isabellathecrusader
I thought all of Islam was for dummies.
at December 22, 2007 11:19 AM
If you think part 1 was bad, wait until you see the end.
Posted by: Borg at December 22, 2007 1:35 PM
Ebonystone,
Was that dummies or dhimmies?
Silly wabbit, Islam is for dumbsh*ts!
Posted by: Isabellathecrusader at December 22, 2007 11:47 PM
It is a scam to make the world believe that the Saudis have the same terrorism problems as the rest of the world so then we will have to shut up when someone suggests that its not related to Islam because if it was why would it happen in Saudi.
at December 23, 2007 12:01 AM
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