These people are too obsessed with death.

Posted by: mrockroll1969 at December 23, 2007 7:42 AM

Timing is everything. War seems to be their ultimate goal. That leaves us trying to determine the timing of it. Along with who is going to help them in the quest they cannot accomplish on their own.

Posted by: flowerknife_us at December 23, 2007 8:07 AM

And obsessed with sex. This is the first I've heard that a human girl could become one of the heavenly maidens. I'd always thought that the latter were strictly heavenly beings. So what happens to the girl in Britain or the Netherlands -- in love with a boy friend from high school -- killed by her father for refusing to marry cousin Ahmed from the Old Country? Does she become part of the complement of virgins for cousin Ahmed, or the one for her boyfriend, or both? If she had FGM here on Earth, is she still mutilated in Paradise, or are all the missing bits restored?
And what about the adolescent boys killed clearing minefields in the Iraq-Iran war? They must be in Paradise. But do they get the 72 maidens, or do they become some of the boys-like-pearls awaiting adult men?

Posted by: ebonystone at December 23, 2007 8:23 AM

http://www.blackvoices.com/black_news/canvas_directory_headlines_features/_a/fla-pastor-bush-ally-calls-koran-evil/20060714092709990001

Not completely OT. People, take a look at above.

Posted by: darcy at December 23, 2007 8:50 AM

Hmm... How did she have a male "friend" and not get honor killed by her father and brothers?

Next... I guess they also no longer need to die while killing kafur to be a martyr?

Could this actually be viewed as a break through modernization in Jihadist thought?

"Just go let the kafur kill you" would be preferable to "blow yourself up in a crowed kafur market".

Posted by: senor doeboy at December 23, 2007 8:51 AM

That's obscene -- the virgins in Paradise don't have their hair covered! Won't that scene corrupt any young males who see it?

Pornoganda, that's what it is. Obscene, sinful, unIslamic. For shame...

Posted by: Goob at December 23, 2007 9:05 AM

Soft porn with a message, Islam style...
It is a cute film, but won't win any awards. I suppose that the 'Palestinians who watch this don't know that that they are being propagandized.
Propaganda jihad, this time to impress potential jihadi's who may be impressed with Allah's 'Club Med' in the sky. The problem with Allah's paradise is that the entry fee to get in, is very expensive. Yet muslims are so convinced as to the quality of Allah's adult entertainment package, that they are just dying to get in there. It ought to be clear by now, even to the dullest dolt among us, that Islam is as much about sex, free if possible, as it is about taking over the planet or worshipping Allah.
Of course certain individuals among them have threatened to kill infidels and take their wives.
Some more sex images. This movie is just another symptom of the sex and violence cult that is Islam....Minarets are phallic symbols, so what's new...?

Posted by: duh_swami at December 23, 2007 9:20 AM

Maudlin murderers, if you can imagine that.

Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer at December 23, 2007 9:21 AM

Darcy, you go girl! From Darcy's post above:

(Regarding Rev. O'Neal Dozier, a Tallahassee Pastor who said that the Koran is evil,)

'His attitude is a misunderstanding of Islam, Ibrahim Hooper, a spokesman for the Council on American-Islamic Relations.

"He might take a look at his Bible again and see what Jesus what would do in these circumstances," Hooper said. "I doubt that Jesus, peace be upon him, would seek to increase divisions and hostilities in the society in which he lived. Jesus preached love and respect, not hatred and mistrust."'

"Jesus preached love and respect, not hatred and mistrust."

Jesus said he did not come to bring peace, but to bring the sword. In other words, Jesus came to change things and knew that some people would not accept his teachings easily. Regardless, that is something that Ibrahim Hooper has no moral capacity to be teaching us. Hey Doug, take a look in the mirror.

Darcy, would you send that article to Robert? Good on you, dear.

Posted by: Isabellathecrusader at December 23, 2007 9:21 AM

If the Israeli government maintained legal brothels somewhere in a neutral zone between Palestinian and Israeli territory, maintained, inspected and controlled by Israeli authorities, and accessible by Palestinian males, maybe suicide for sex would loose much of its appeal for frustrated young Muslim males who spend their lives fantasizing about females, without ever having a relationship with one of them.

In other words, create an earthly paradise for the living as an alternative to the fictional paradise promised by Islam that is accesable only to the dead.

Posted by: rational at December 23, 2007 9:29 AM

Palestinian TV uses sex to sell shahada

Muhammad (like Hugh Hefner) understood the visual nature of male sexuality and created a girlie-magazine and a sky-god playboy mansion to die for. It is a manipulation of nature for exploitation-profit: Muhammad Hefner selling a fantasy.

Posted by: Frank at December 23, 2007 9:45 AM

but she doesn't wear a hijab!!!!!!!
and he seems to martyr himself for her not allah!!!!!!

and where are the other 71 virgins!!!!!

i am so so so so SO so so confused.

NO I'M NOT: THEY ARE!

the only thread which runs through fatah and hamas and iran and syria et al is their hatred of infidels and obsessions with death and subjugated women.

it is mass sociopathy.

let's give them a few more states!

AND 8 BILLION BUCKS!

sheesh.

Posted by: reliapundit - the astute blogger at December 23, 2007 9:50 AM

The mind boggles! only a stupid muslim would want to cope with 72 virgins! 72 experienced, nice western girls-now that would be a different story!

Posted by: rookie at December 23, 2007 9:58 AM

Dont tell my wife I wrote that!

Posted by: rookie at December 23, 2007 10:00 AM

There is a big problem brewing in the Muslim paradise:

Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri

On 'Id ul Fitr or 'Id ul Adha Allah's Apostle (p.b.u.h) went out to the Musalla. After finishing the prayer, he delivered the sermon and ordered the people to give alms. He said, "O people! Give alms." Then he went towards the women and said. "O women! Give alms, for I have seen that the majority of the dwellers of Hell-Fire were you (women)."
Bukhari v2 bk24 no541

So there are not enough women to go around in paradise unless of course they are shared or they play a perpetual game of musical virgins.

This is probably the result of another case where the prophet forgot what he had said earlier. There are numerous cases in the Koran where this occurs and the fix was the development of the doctrine of abrogation (naskh wa nasikh).

How this rubbish has survived 13 centuries is either a testament to the ability of its earliest promulgators to instill terror into the hearts and minds of its conquered adherents and/or the profound stupidity of its followers from the 7th century A.D. to the present day.

Posted by: SaracensAtTheGates at December 23, 2007 10:08 AM

Isn't this the main selling point of islam?

Have they not used sex to gather followers to their cause since islam first took root in the desert tribal society?

Do they not practice gender aparthied - the seperation of the sexes - thus denying the natural developement of young men and women and therefore making it an attractive option for them to kill themselves so they can have all the beautiful women in heaven which they are denied in normal life?
Yes?

Posted by: Ken CleanAirSystem at December 23, 2007 10:19 AM

I think that this Pastor Dozier is right in saying that most apologists for Islam have not read the Quran. Everybody should read it, although you can't do it in one sitting --I believe- because the style is so choppy.

Posted by: Eliyahu at December 23, 2007 10:23 AM

I read the piece Darcy, thanks. Hooper is just trying to fool us with some Jesus taqiyya.
Jesus sword...the purpose of the magickal sword is to cut away the unwanted, and control demonic forces. Jesus magickal sword would cut away falsehood, separate lies from truth, love from hate,
harm from non harm, God from not god. And many other uses of the magickal sword that I did not list. None of them have anything to do with attacking anyone.
Jesus sword only fights the falsehoods of evil negativity. It seeks to cut away that evil which keeps one from being 'with God', rather than just 'of' God. The sword of Jesus seeks to clear a path for us, through the thick jungle of illusion, and hallucination...to ascribe any negative connotations to the sword of Jesus, is in my estimation a lie...

Posted by: duh_swami at December 23, 2007 10:27 AM

Not only that Eliyahu, it is very long and very boring...I like hadith better, at least there is some action there...

Posted by: duh_swami at December 23, 2007 10:35 AM

Man, that arab girl is way too good looking to be one of Allah's sex toys for the mujahedin.

Posted by: Crusader at December 23, 2007 11:30 AM

"Virgins of Paradise"? They have no imagination.

I would have named it "Sex And The Sha'hidi".

Posted by: Shy Guy at December 23, 2007 11:50 AM

This video reminded me of the movie "The Brides of Dracula" with the way the women were dressed. Same sort of ghoulish and erotic theme as well. I guess I've been too hard on the palestinians-they can be quite funny after all.

Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at December 23, 2007 12:18 PM

Look out boys & girls! Allah & his demonic cohort Mo are making false promises about the HereAfter, and I'm here to tell you that there is no Sex Heaven.

Notice how in Sex Heaven the women become sex slaves, while the men joyously engage in orgies 24/7. Even in Muslim Sex Heaven there is no equality between men & women, so it's just the same ole Master/Slave mentality playing itself out all over again.

Posted by: champ at December 23, 2007 12:19 PM

Rational...that's a good idea, but the brothels would have to be free and in some secure undisclosed location, with a secret door and a secret knock.
The jihadi seeking relief, would not want Allah to see him going in there, worse than that the local Imam. For them, google live street scenes could be a virtual killer. One thing I know for sure, never tell the local Imam that you went to a porn show, or visited a prostitute. Especially if you did it to avoid jihad...

Posted by: duh_swami at December 23, 2007 12:41 PM

"Look out boys & girls!" Posted by: champ

Speaking of which… Where are those 24 young boys as fresh as pearls in this video? Most likely being pushed off tall buildings.

Dang the Mohammedan "Brothel in the Sky"* seems more and more twisted every time it's examined.

*This phrase credited to http://www.sheikyermami.com/ Used in the song "The Shoe Bomber"

Posted by: senor doeboy at December 23, 2007 12:57 PM

Jihadis can only [*1] find love and companionship by being killed by kaffirs while attempting to kill kaffirs. We have to find the compassion in our hearts to help their romantic dreams come true.

[*1] Actually, that is an overstatement. They can also find it by raping uncovered kaffir sluts, or by marrying their cousin against her will.

Posted by: special_guest at December 23, 2007 1:31 PM

Hmmm, being in the big whorehouse in the sky seems to be the aim of all good jihadis....why do they get so mad when we accommodate them?
And as others have noted, she is uncovered. Hair rays!

Posted by: interestinconundrum at December 23, 2007 1:37 PM

duh_swami,

Give the local Imams a lifetime pass and a cut of the proceeds, and I doubt there would be any problems.

Posted by: rational at December 23, 2007 1:50 PM

How this rubbish has survived 13 centuries is either a testament to the ability of its earliest promulgators to instill terror into the hearts and minds of its conquered adherents and/or the profound stupidity of its followers from the 7th century A.D. to the present day.

Posted by: SaracensAtTheGates at December 23, 2007 10:08 AM

Good question, and you see, Islam has a rather brutal answer to your question. The answer lies in the "Sword of Allah" (which is also on the flag of Saudi Arabia). Convert those who convert, kill those who don't.. and the sword makes sure the above is achieved. THAT is 'how this rubbish has survived 13 centuries'.
Abhorant as it is, Islam /Allah / Mo have it covered as Islam was founded on sword and blood, not on 'inner spiritual struggle' or on 'Peace', as Bush have us believe. his blood-thirsty, extended-family is.

Posted by: Alert at December 23, 2007 2:09 PM

Let us talk about the American people's culpability in all of this.

We know a U.S. president is sworn to uphold the U.S. Constitution; to defend his (or her?) citizens from enemies both foreign and domestic.

Palestinian Muslims are part and parcel of the global jihad. Israel is only one small piece of land that Muslims must liberate and subjugate. President Bush knows the Palestinian Muslim Arabs are America's sworn enemies, not to mention Israel's sworn enemies. This makes George W. Bush complicit in the global jihad. Some call Mr. Bush a traitor. I will not argue against the epithet. What were these Muslim Arabs doing on September 11, 2001 other than celebrating America's misfortune, dancing in the streets and handing out candy and sweets. Bush knows this. Secretary Rice knows this.

Nonetheless, Mr. Bush is trying his darnedest to give these jihadist killers a state of their own; one dedicated to the destruction of Israel. Bush is attempting to establish a twenty third Muslim jihadist-killer state in the Middle East.

In light of this, Americans for the most part, support what Bush is doing to Israel or they accept what he is doing to our only ally in the Middle East, despite the moral implications.

Worse, conservatives and Republicans support this wickedness Bush has done and continues to do the Jewish state. Republican national party platform, since August 2004 (at Bush's behest) calls for the establishment of a Palestinian terror-jihadist state in the Holy Land and the ethnic cleansing / physical expulsion of Jews from their homes only because they are Jews. By any standard of measure, this is rank anti-Semitism.

Therefore, I hold this president and the American people collective (with very few exceptions) responsible for and guilty of this great moral evil.

Not since Neville Chamberlain concluded the Munich agreement --- September 29, 1938, thereby sacrificing tiny Czechoslovakia to appease the Nazi murderers --- have we seen such evil from a U.S. president, from his conservative base and supporters and the American people at large.

This is much worse than Munich, as are its implications.

Posted by: monk at December 23, 2007 2:21 PM

This makes George W. Bush complicit in the global jihad. Some call Mr. Bush a traitor. I will not argue against the epithet. What were these Muslim Arabs doing on September 11, 2001 other than celebrating America's misfortune, dancing in the streets and handing out candy and sweets. Bush knows this. Secretary Rice knows this.

Posted by: monk at December 23, 2007 2:21 PM

Excellent thought-provoking analysis, monk. Your opinion is supported by none other than Dr. Wafa Sultan: http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=52962

The propaganda: http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/08/10/washington.terror.plot/index.html
.. and confusion: http://www.chuckbaldwinlive.com/bushlovesislam.html
... and the lies: http://www.danielpipes.org/article/3026
... and the truth: http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2001/09/20010917-11.html
Abject compromise:
http://www.danielpipes.org/article/4739
.. and the reasons:
http://www.wanttoknow.info/030316post
http://www.martiallaw911.info/archive/0-26-39.htm
http://www.bushwatch.com/bushmoney.htm

As many have observed, Bush-family's history of corruption is a question, America can ill-afford.
Again, excellent, thought-provoking analysis, monk.

Posted by: Alert at December 23, 2007 2:48 PM

Front Page Magazine interviewed Jeffrey Denning, co-owner of Liberty Protective Solutions, LLC, a private security consulting company, and also a former police officer, SWAT team leader and Federal Air Marshal. Denning believes there’s a huge similarity between domestic violence, misogyny and terrorism. His article can be read here: http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=43C4FAE4-115D-4674-8F6B-7B68A99CDF38

Posted by: Smooth Stone at December 23, 2007 2:57 PM

to support monk's observation: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NXQpAvSbTs

Posted by: Alert at December 23, 2007 3:33 PM

Alert, to make matters worse, I am a thirty six year registered (conservative) Republican, former eight year local Republican party activist.

I finally came out of the closet, so to speak, publicly criticizing President Bush's policies on Israel in our newspaper and on the radio after our August 2004 national party convention. The officers of our local party sought my removal from our Republican Executive Committee for criticizing Bush publicly. We tried privately lobbying our U.S. Republican Congressmen to no avail. They all support Bush on Israel and a Palestinian terror state.

I called Sean Hannity's radio program during the second Lebanon war, August 2006. Bush, Rice and France sued for peace in the criminal United Nations Security Council (crafting UN Resolution 1701) thereby handing a victory to Iran, Syria and their Hezbollah jihadist proxy. Hannity was talking about the war and Israel's retreat from Gaza (2005) and S. Lebanon (2000) being the cause of Hezbollah's aggression; both true. When I brought up our party's complicity in the Gaza retreat and our Republican national party platform, Hannity told me he did not wish to discuss it and I was summarily cut off. Rush Limbaugh's screeners will not allow me to speak to the host about Israel.

I wrote David Horowitz (a fellow Jew who is ostensibly pro-Israel) about Bush's policies and it is the same old, same old. Bush is staying the course in Iraq (true) and he is better than the Democrats (something I will not argue) so he and other activists are sticking with evil Bush, regardless of his immoral policies, Israel be damned. Horowitz will not allow anyone to write on Frontpage who is specifically and harshly critical of Mr. Bush. When I say harsh. I mean harsh. Bush needs harsh criticism from his base of support.

The Republican party is going to pay a price for this betrayal; this great moral evil that Bush is perpetrating on a friend and an ally. America will pay a price. If there is a God in heaven, America will pay a price for this treachery, Israel's traitorous prime minister notwithstanding.

Posted by: monk at December 23, 2007 3:38 PM

Alert, your link:

http://www.bushwatch.com/bushmoney.htm

"...When Salem bin Laden died in 1988, powerful Saudi Arabian banker and BCCI principal Khalid bin Mahfouz inherited his interests in Houston. Bath ran a business for bin Mahfouz in Houston and joined a partnership with bin Mahfouz and Gaith Pharaon, BCCI’s frontman in Houston’s Main Bank.

"The Arbusto deal wasn’t the last time Bush looked to highly questionable sources to invest in his oil dealings. After several incarnations, Arbusto emerged in 1986 as Harken Energy Corporation. When Harken ran into trouble a year later, Saudi Sheik Abdullah Taha Bakhsh purchased a 17.6 percent stake in the company. Bakhsh was a business partner with Pharaon in Saudi Arabia; his banker there just happened to be bin Mahfouz...."

After 9/11, like many Americans, I wanted to know more about Islam and the Arab world, so I bought books and downloaded audio by Robert Spencer, Dore Gold, Kenneth Timmerman and others.

Immediately following the September atrocities, perpetrated by a Saudi proxy, Bush unveiled his vision for a Palestinian terrorist state. I wondered, what gives? Why is Bush appeasing our enemies.

I listened to former CIA operative Robert Baer's "Sleeping With the Devil," and other books on Bush family's corrupt financial dealings (the Carlyle Group, etc.) with our enemies. It all began to make sense.

The Bush family is compromised; deeply indebted to the Saudis for their personal financial wealth. George W. Bush is indebted to our Saudi enemies. When then Crown Prince (now king) Abdullah bin Abdul Aziz wrote Bush a threatening letter, August 2001 (only days before the atrocities) Bush pledged in a two page letter to Abdullah he'd work to establish a Palestinian terror state in Israel.

Thus only hours after the September atrocities ---while some three thousand civilians lays beneath the smouldering ruins --- Bush White House enabled several dozens of Saudi Royals and bin Laden family members to fly out of the country. Within days of the atrocities, Bush unveiled his vision for the annihilation of Israel at the hands of America's enemies.

Posted by: monk at December 23, 2007 4:04 PM

Bomber pr0n.

Posted by: Un:dhimmi at December 23, 2007 4:14 PM

Front Page Magazine interviewed Jeffrey Denning, co-owner of Liberty Protective Solutions, LLC, a private security consulting company, and also a former police officer, SWAT team leader and Federal Air Marshal. Denning believes there’s a huge similarity between domestic violence, misogyny and terrorism. His article can be read here: http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=43C4FAE4-115D-4674-8F6B-7B68A99CDF38

Smooth Stone,

Thanks for the interview with Jeffrey Denning. I'm not a terrorist expert, but I've always had an instinctive feeling that most of the dyfunctions in the Islam world have something to do with sexuality. No society can be as obsessed with separating males and females as Muslims are and expect to produce psycholoically stable children or adults.

Take a child, and tell him that homosexuality is evil and worthy of death, and at the same time, tell him that a heteresexual relationship with a female is just as taboo, and you have all the makings of a psycholoically damaged young boy, with no release except with explosives.

Posted by: rational at December 23, 2007 4:23 PM

Worth posting again:

"...No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient Rome."

-Winston Churchill, 1899

www.brickoven.blogspot.com

Posted by: pez at December 23, 2007 4:30 PM

Monk ,I'm afraid you touched on a taboo subject for many here.
The many useful idiots will never accept the truth about their demi-god George so they will for the most part ignore what you wrote.
Their whole life and foundation is based on a con man deceiver and most are unlike you and would never admit they were fooled again.
Their pride like that of Horowitz keeps selling the same recycled vomit that Bush is a Conservative or even a Republican.
he's a new world order Globalist who has sold Israel out with his 2 state final solution Road Map.
He bullies and threatens Israel into surrendering their land to the Islamic front line Palestrinian terrorists and the idol worshipers like Horowitz just love it.
He's a fake thru and thru and the idiots easliy fell for his smooth talking scam.

The bible,God warns those who put their trust and faith in men,(devious politicians) whether left or right they both end up in the same stinking hole.
Jeremiah 17:5 speaks to Israel.....
and the New Testemant parable about the man who built his house on sand (BUSH) and the storm came and swept him and everything he had away.
Theres a tsunami coming to clean away all the double minded hypocrites who betray what is good and reward what is evil.
Bush will be the first to catch the wave.

Posted by: rocketman at December 23, 2007 4:39 PM

The Israeli soldiers were just following the Quaran by honor killing her because she didn't have on the hijab. Maybe this was actually filmed in Canada.

Posted by: Fellow Infidel at December 23, 2007 4:47 PM

What can you say? Sick and depraved people.

Posted by: Wimbledon Womble at December 23, 2007 4:48 PM

What can you say? Sick and depraved people.

Posted by: Wimbledon Womble at December 23, 2007 4:48 PM

Muhammed brought sexual rewards to himself and his followers in this life, and promised it in paradise. Islam is a religion of rewards in exchange for belief, very concrete and explicit rewards, not just fulfillment for the soul, forgiveness of sins, or other sublime notions. So you kill or subjugate Infidels in a Jihad, and you get slaves, women, booty, power, and, if you die, all of the above in paradise. It's kind of an FAO Schwartz for adults, with all the toys going to those who help spread the faith by any and all means. It's really very easy to understand and has great mass sales appeal. Too bad for the world Muhammed didn't work for Amway or Mary Kay instead.

Posted by: jewdog at December 23, 2007 5:11 PM

rocketman, you wrote: "Monk, I'm afraid you touched on a taboo subject for many here."

I can see you are right on target rocketman, by the posts which follow your remarks.

Posted by: monk at December 23, 2007 5:52 PM

Even for jewdog the subject is taboo.

Posted by: monk at December 23, 2007 5:53 PM

I find it very difficult to believe that Bush or any other President acts on his own concerning much of anything. Bush may be the puppet, but he aint the brains. I believe there are many involved in what happens. Hell...if he stepped outta line he'd be gone in a heartbeat, like so many others.

Posted by: Alaskan at December 23, 2007 5:55 PM

Monk ,I'm afraid you touched on a taboo subject for many here.
The many useful idiots will never accept the truth about their demi-god George so they will for the most part ignore what you wrote.

rocketman,

I ignore all who resort to name-calling, even on this site. Their arguments lose all credibility when they cannot make them without denigrating those they are trying to convince.

If you want all Americans to suffer for the actions of one man, that's your problem. The people of Israel are not helpless.

Who is your choice for president? Who will do what you want done for Israel? I can't find anyone in the pack.

Posted by: PMK at December 23, 2007 6:18 PM

Oh...as to the whole Virgin reward thing. I asked once of my fellow Jihadwatchers, what the hell was up with this bunch of terrorist Jihadis ole Barbara Walters was interviewing. When she asked what was waiting in Paradise, the head moron answered, "All things forbidden on earth." Barb asked more or less,"yeah, but what specifically?" He thought for a moment and said, unenthusiastically, "Wine",then getting quite animated he said,"Young boys!" Then toned down quite a bit..."women." All the other "Misunderstanders of Islam", proceeded to pretty much freak out when he mentioned "Young boys."... eyes lit up,nodding and jabbing each other.

So...although virgins may be offered up there may not be that many takers. Which brings up another point. Are the Islamic "Hell" and "Paradise" the same place? If a Muslim man lands in Paradise, he's pitchin', if it's Hell, he's catchin'. Huh? Maybe? Could easily be at the same location.
And what lies in store for the female homicide bomber? 72 virgin men? Yeah...lotsa fun there.
Here's the link that I was given to understand better what the deal is with the apparent rampant pedophilia seen in this interview.
Interesting...I just went to the site to copy the addy and...Google has removed it. Violates their "Terms and Conditions." Freakin' Dhimmis! They're gonna have to learn the hard way it would appear. It was under Islamic danger. Way too much info for me to try to relay here. It comes down to boys bein' fair game. Ole Ima Dinnajacket was in all probability similarly abused.

Posted by: Alaskan at December 23, 2007 6:19 PM

The enemy of our enemy is freedom. Islam is the antithesis of freedom. For good or bad the President of the United States, regardless of his name, is the leader of the free world. Continually running any President down is not in our best interests. Yeah..yeah..you doan care about partisan politics and all that crap. He is the Commander in Chief of the United States Armed Forces. He's not evil, he's ignorant. Ignorance is not stupidity. Unfortunately one cannot be an expert on every subject. Any good exec. depends on advisers and information filtered through subordinates. The vast majority of people out there have no idea what so ever of the danger that Islam presents, and that's what he's gettin'. Crap. He hears crap about AGW and Gay rights and a whole list of B.S. Yeah...we could always, and I mean every damn time, do with a better President. But like your country, my country, the United States, this is what we got. Change her but doan call her a whore. Let's educate him, but ya doan have to call him names in the meantime. Ignorance is not an act of evil. Hatred for our Prez does nothing to help us.
My education regarding the danger that is Islam began 2 years ago. I really caught on about the end of the first year. Now I'm spreadin' the word fast and furious.
ANYTHING that raises the moral of our enemy is good for them, and thereby bad for us. I do not see him or any President or person as a demi-God. And the practice of name calling, "Useful idiots" does nothing to further or increase the value of your argument in any way shape or form. Though the child in me is tempted, I will not respond in kind. (Note how I just called you childish?) The shame of it all is that I'm sure we agree on most of the other important issues that we see raised here everyday.
The United States does not conquer and tax. We do not colonize.
The idea that America is and has been evil is ignorant.
Japan was conquered and is free. China was ours for the taking and we passed. Germany...free despite the best efforts of the USSR. Europe is for the most part free thanks to the lives laid down by Americans. At the end of WWII we could have cleaned every clock on the planet and owned it all. That wasn't the plan then and it aint now. Freedom is what we plant. What grows thereafter is up to the people. Some choose to be ruled. They are weak and cowardly. They are many.
Some chose to remain free.
How long would South Korea have remained South Korea if not for the presence of American soldiers there? Never mind the thousands that died keeping it free.
And anyone who thinks that ANY President of the U.S. has acted strictly on his own, doing exactly what he chose to do is totally out of touch with reality. That's called a dictator. We don't have dictators here in the U.S. despite what you've heard, imagined or believe.

Posted by: Alaskan at December 23, 2007 7:06 PM

I agree with those who subscribe to the theory that this video was produces with an ulterior motive: produce more male and female shahids asap. The video will surely resonate with those reared in islam.

But how would the video resonate with those NOT raised to believe a "god" commanded the conversion, subjugation, or slavery of an unbeliever? How would this video resonate with a person NOT trained to believe "god" will reward your death or your murderous sins with hitherto unknown carnal delights?

This video was meant to be viewed, at least in part, by a post-Christian civilization raised on televised Soap Operas. It has all the hallmarks of a "dramactic life affirming moment" from televised soap operas found throughout the modern world: True love found and lost. Then regained. Except this "true love" story - love found and lost due to hateful Jews - has a happy ending - all due to a merciful and compassionate islamic "god". "The Young and the Restless" are reunited as "The World Turns", in accord with the prior fantasies of Moe.

Islam is well known for stealing and then incorporating ideas from others. This video is proof of that fact.

This is a video that would appeal to the Oprah crowd on many levels. For that reason it is dangerous.

Posted by: omvi at December 23, 2007 8:00 PM

I find it very difficult to believe that Bush or any other President acts on his own concerning much of anything. Bush may be the puppet, but he aint the brains. I believe there are many involved in what happens. Hell...if he stepped outta line he'd be gone in a heartbeat, like so many others.

>President Truman taook responsibility.
The buck stops with anyone but him according to you pathetic excuse makers.
So this Bush dosen't have the brains to do the same and this is why you voted for an incompetewnt Idiot ?

Who is your choice for president? Who will do what you want done for Israel? I can't find anyone in the pack.

>He's out of this world and about to get it's attention.
I wouldn't trust any of these powerhungry lying politicians as far as I could throw them.

He's especially going to bring down arrogant meddlers who deem it their responsibility to trample the national sovereignty of Israel divide another nations little peice of land and reward the Islamic terrorist with it.

I ignore all who resort to name-calling, even on this site. Their arguments lose all credibility when they cannot make them without denigrating those they are trying to convince.

>Yes but you don't ignore a Bush with innocent blood on his hands for pressuring Olmert to release Islamic terrorists and remove security road blocks and supply weapons and ammunition to these same terrorists.
You shallow phony hypocrites find it easier to ignore the name callers and make excuses for diabolical,devious,demonic,evil, smooth talking killer Bush .

Posted by: rocketman at December 23, 2007 8:01 PM

Alaskan, you wrote: "He's not evil, he's ignorant. Ignorance is not stupidity. Unfortunately one cannot be an expert on every subject. Any good exec. depends on advisers and information filtered through subordinates."

Ignorance can cost millions of lives. Look at Neville Chamberlain's ignorance. Fifty million or better innocent lives were lost due to that bit of ignorance. This ignorant world leader has all that history at his fingertips Alaskan, as do you. Why are you making excuses for evil?

I believe Mr. Bush is evil. Why do you say evil is not evil. By any standard of measure, what Bush is doing to the people of Israel is evil.

Are you an apologist for evil men Alaskan? One cannot be an expert on every subject but one doesn't seek out and find anti-Semites like Condoleezza Rice to lie about the Jews comparing them to White racists in Alabama.

One does not seek out advisers who compare the Palestinian jihadist murderers to peaceful Blacks in Alabama struggling for their civil rights. Dr. Rice made the Jews enter the Annapolis building through a service entrance in order to not offend racist Arab sensitivities. What do you call this Alaskan other than Jew-hatred from this administration? Dr. Rice segregated the Jews from the racist Arabs at the conference. What do you call this Alaskan? Can you tell us?

A U.S. president does not hire a Secretary of State that compares a Muslim jihadist / Holocaust denier, financier of the Munich massacres, etc., to Martin Luther King.

Only an ignorant and evil leader calls a Muslim killer, "a man dedicated to peace." Only an ignorant and an evil leader dedicates himself to destroying an ally by establishing a Muslim terror state on her mountains overlooking her coastal plain, thereby leaving her nine or ten miles wide as he sits comfortably in Washington D.C. or in his commodious Texas ranch taken from Mexico as a consequence of Manifest Destiny; the divine ordained overspreading of the north American continent. But who is complaining? Not me. Just let us keep our tiny bit of land Alaskan. You and your hero are not willing to allow this. The two of you want the Jews destroyed.

No, only and evil leader does these things. You Alaskan, are an apologist for wicked men; for evil doers. You Alaskan support this.

Posted by: monk at December 23, 2007 8:29 PM

The Republican party is going to pay a price for this betrayal; this great moral evil that Bush is perpetrating on a friend and an ally. America will pay a price. If there is a God in heaven, America will pay a price for this treachery, Israel's traitorous prime minister notwithstanding.

Posted by: monk at December 23, 2007 3:38 PM

monk, like you rightly say, Bush family is thoroughly compromised by America's enemies. Like yourself, I read Robert Baer's "Sleeping With the Devil" almost in one sitting. I was shocked to learn what it claimed but also found that it all adds up to the big picture. That Bush family will jump at Riyadh's command, only after asking 'How High'. That America's highest office is so compromised, casts nothing but danger to tne entire nation. Starting his first term with Immigration Reform, converting it into 'Guest worker program', and imprisoning border patrol agents, unpatriotic as it is, is one thing, but to increasr student's visas for Saudi Artabia, the very visas that were abused to attack America followed by 'aid' to Saudi Arabia, brought back memories of Bush clearing pages and pages of references to Saudi Arabia from 9/11 interim report, all adds up to one and only one thing that Bush dances to Riyafh's tunes. If any doubt still remains, this clears it: http://www.sauduction.com/ Coming from wahhabbies, who find christians and jews 'monkeys and pigs', cannot bode well for America. And we see the state America is in. To get a better picture, one needs to read Tom Tancredo, who was chastized by Bush himself,'s "In Mortal Danger". No wonder America's enemies like CAIR have their dens all over the counry, madrassas right in NY and DC the backyard of American government and free money to Saudi Arabia and America, under Bush, could have gone only down. The only question to be answered is 'How much?'. And Americans are finding out on a daily basis.
Even if other's behind Bush are involved, it does not reduce Bush, the president / commander-in-chief of USA's responsibility. Like they say 'fish dtartd rotting in the head' .. and White House has been stinking since early 2001, masked by the rubble of 9/11, but, for the sharp noses, emmits an unmistakable stench.

Posted by: Alert at December 23, 2007 8:35 PM

Every President in recent memory has tried to bring peace between the Palestinians and Israel. They all had a 'plan" and they all went nowhere. Just like President Bushes will.

The current go round has actually divided the Palestinians in a way that no other President ever has. Every President has applied pressure against Israel to make concessions for "peace". How much land did Carted force them to concede??? In the end, Israel never gave up anything it did not feel was in it's best interest.

Any right minded person knows that Hell will freeze over before the Palestinians cave in to the fundamental condition of Israels right to exist. To think either Fatah or Hamas will ever change their charters to reflect such a change requires ingesting more drugs than a human can endure.

The Middle East is too irrational for rational people to get a grip on.

The Elections managed to split the Palestinians and has set the stage for an internal civil war between the two. Israel has Hamas in a box it cannot get out of, and Olmert , as recently as today, told Hamas exactly where they can go.

I suspect the Europeans have more to do with the appeasement of the Palestinians than any real desire of the US. It has been the driving force behind their own Foreign Policy for a very long time. Europeans twist themselves into knots in their efforts to buy off the Palestinians. Despite their Public statements. It is no different than the Embargo on Iraq. they say one thing and do the opposite.

The Politics of divide and conquer never looks pretty and is rarely floating on the surface.

Posted by: flowerknife_us at December 23, 2007 9:27 PM

WWHD?

What Would Hitler Do with today's media? Similar thing? methinks so....
-Peter

Posted by: Peter Nielson at December 23, 2007 9:34 PM

Alaskan: OK. I'll believe you about the effects of the mentioning of young boys as sex objects.

Please don't confuse the sexual frustration of islamist jihadis with mature Western and civilised gay people, however.

I am gay and adult and I have no interest, in common with almost all other gay men, in the infantry, so to speak - well, excepting those over 21 who look good in uniform, perhaps!

Damn it, that's most of us, adult males look good in uniform! Ask any lady if you doubt it and see also

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/LAC.20070602.MOUNTIE02/TPStory/specialTravel

:) With tongue firmly in cheek.

Posted by: OliverPCamford at December 23, 2007 10:10 PM

flowerknife_us said

The current go round has actually divided the Palestinians in a way that no other President ever has.

It doesn't take an ingenious Machiavellian strategy to get Muslims to kill Muslims. If we just lock Condi in her room, stop sending our jizyah, and just step back and let Islamic tribal nature take its course, we'd see a truly ingenious strategy at work.

Posted by: special_guest at December 23, 2007 10:33 PM

Death porn/anti-semitic tv adds demonising jews and postage stamps shading all of Israel in supremicist Islamic green just in time for unmerry eidmas. With 7.6 billion more heading the Palestinians way the next eidmas will the nastiest ever.

Posted by: ausinfidel at December 23, 2007 10:41 PM

"You shallow phony hypocrites find it easier to ignore the name callers and make excuses for diabolical,devious,demonic,evil, smooth talking killer Bush ."
"No, only and evil leader does these things. You Alaskan, are an apologist for wicked men; for evil doers. You Alaskan support this."
So...I'm a shallow phony hypocrite. How kind of you. I make excuses for the killer Bush. You sound very much like the Jihadis in your condemnation of Bush and me. They must love you.
You don't know me at all. If you want to call stating facts, making excuses go ahead. I never said that Bush or any other person on the planet is perfect. Far from it, he is in severe need of an education regarding Islam. Damn right ignorance kills. It has throughout history. Hopefully keeping the pressure on will help.
The concept of Bush being evil and knowingly doing evil things is your fantasy not a fact. At least in my estimation. (But you've judged me to be evil so....) Do you really believe that he is personally trying to kill Jews? Do you believe that Condi is lying to kill Jews? Do you believe that they seek the destruction of our only friend in the region?
I guess my rantings have no value though, as I have been judged and found wanting. My "Betters" have decided that I must be evil so that is that. Why else would I support or make excuses for an evil man?
Damn...must be nice to know absolutely everything, and to be so sure of your position that you feel comfortable standing in judgment of those around you and me in particular. I can only hope to be so judgmental some day. The mark of a true fanatic.
By the way...are you prepared to defend your life when the Jihadis come to your door? You make me sound like I want the new Caliphate to succeed. I have twenty thousand rounds for those that seek my life, and the means to deliver them. Think it won't come to that? Hope you're right.

Posted by: Alaskan at December 23, 2007 10:52 PM

ALL EUROPEAN LIFE DIED IN AUSCHWITZ

The following is a copy of an article written by Spanish writer

Sebastian Vilar Rodrigez and published in a Spanish newspaper on 5-22-07. It doesn't take much imagination to extrapolate the message to the rest of Europe - and possibly to the rest of the world.
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REMEMBER AS YOU READ -- IT WAS IN A SPANISH PAPER Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 14:30:20 -0500

ALL EUROPEAN LIFE DIED IN AUSCHWITZ By Sebastian Vilar Rodrigez(*)

I walked down the street in Barcelona, and suddenly discovered a terrible truth - Europe died inAuschwitz . We killed six million Jews and replaced them with 20 million Muslims. In Auschwitz we burned a culture, thought, creativity, talent. We destroyed the chosen people, truly chosen, because they produced great and wonderful people who changed the world.

The contribution of this people is felt in all areas of life: science, art, international trade, and above all, as the conscience of the world. These are the people we burned.

And under the pretense of tolerance, and because we wanted to prove to ourselves that we were cured of the disease of racism, we opened our gates to 20 million Muslims, who brought us stupidity and ignorance, religious extremism and lack of tolerance, crime and poverty, due to an unwillingness to work and support their families with pride.

They have blown up our trains and turned our beautiful Spanish cities into the third world, drowning in filth and crime. Shut up in the apartments they receive free from the government, they plan the murder and destruction of their naive hosts.

And thus, in our misery, we have exchanged culture for fanatical hatred, creative skill for destructive skill, intelligence for backwardness and superstition.

We have exchanged the pursuit of peace of the Jews of Europe and their talent for hoping for a better future for their children, their determined clinging to life because life is holy, for those who pursue death, for people consumed by the desire for death for themselves and others, for our children and theirs.

What a terrible mistake was made by miserable Europe.

***********************************

A lot of Americans have become so insulated from reality that they imagine America can suffer defeat without any inconvenience to themselves.

Absolutely No Profiling! Pause a moment, reflect back.

These events are actual events from history. They really happened! Do you remember?

1. 1968 Bobby Kennedy was shot and killed by A Muslim male extremist between the ages of 17 and 40

2. In 1972 at the Munich Olympics, athletes were kidnapped and massacred by: Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

3. In 1979, the US embassy in Iran was taken over by: Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

4. During the 1980's a number of Americans were kidnapped in Lebanon by: Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

5. In 1983, the US Marine barracks in Beirut was blown up by: Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

6. In 1985 the cruise ship Achille Lauro was hijacked and a 70 year old American passenger was murdered and thrown overboard in his wheelchair by: Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

7. In 1985 TWA flight 847 was hijacked at Athens, and a US Navy diver trying to rescue passengers was murdered by:

Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

8. In 1988, Pan Am Flight 103 was bombed by: Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

9. In 1993 the World Trade Center was bombed the first time by: Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

10. In 1998, the US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania were bombed by: Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

11. On 9/11/01, four airliners were hijacked; two were used as missiles to take out the World Trade Centers and of the remaining two, one crashed into the US Pentagon and the other was diverted and crashed by the passengers. Thousands of people were killed by: Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

12. In 2002 the United States fought a war in Afghanistan against: Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

13. In 2002 reporter Daniel Pearl was kidnapped and murdered by:Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

No, I really don't see a pattern here to justify profiling, do you? So, to ensure we Americans never offend anyone, particularly fanatics intent on killing us, airport security screeners will no longer be allowed to profile certain people.

They must conduct random searches of 80-year-old women, little kids, airline pilots with proper identification, secret agents who are members of the President's security detail, 85-year old Congressmen with metal hips, and Medal of Honor winner and former Governor Joe Foss, but leave Muslim Males between the ages 17 and 40 alone lest they be guilty of profiling.

Let's send this to as many people as we can so that the Gloria Aldreds and other dunder-headed attorneys along with Federal Justices that want to thwart common sense, feel ashamed of themselves -- if they have any such sense.

Posted by: Prickzilla at December 23, 2007 11:01 PM

Heaven's sake Alaskan, how you do go on. We aten't dead yet.

Lighten up, man. They haven't won and they never will.

Merry Christmas everybody.

See:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1GPxcxrBkI&feature=related

Posted by: OliverPCamford at December 23, 2007 11:39 PM

There's also:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=7fWoYzodwiU&feature=related

Enjoy!

Posted by: OliverPCamford at December 23, 2007 11:49 PM

And this; load it then play it:

http://www.faniq.com/video/A-Soldiers-Silent-Night-YouTube-3991,8,23/hangout_random

Posted by: OliverPCamford at December 23, 2007 11:57 PM

And this most wonderful moment of our Christian,, Western, civilised heritage:

http://hk.youtube.com/watch?v=oEzmgW5YRHE&feature=related

MERRY CHRISTMAS, EVERYONE, AND I WISH YOU ALL A HAPPY NEW YEAR.

Posted by: OliverPCamford at December 24, 2007 12:18 AM

From post above: The two of you want the Jews destroyed.
No, only and evil leader does these things. You Alaskan, are an apologist for wicked men; for evil doers. You Alaskan support this.

Now that's heavy. Maybe a little too heavy.

Hi Smoothstone if you read this :)...

Posted by: duh_swami at December 24, 2007 12:30 AM

Alaskan: You said "He hears crap about ... Gay rights."

Well. You sure as hell got that right. Do you mind explaining to me exactly what Gay rights have to do with our fight against Moslem supremacy. Would you care to elucidate just exactly what you mean.

Well, probably not, I'll bet. It just sounds good, doesn't it? Bash a few queers, you think, 'cos that will make you and your opinions look good.

Well, chummy, we queers ain't laying down no more in the face of your prejudice and stupidity.

Go be crapulose someplace else. If you want to mix up freedom with mixing it with us, honey, then I'm the queer that will give it to you and sort you out.

Gay rights and Moslem Fanatic Supremacy are two different issues. This site is about Moslem supremacy and conquest not about your stupid and ignorant take on Gay People. You want to mix it with me then find a Gay site that I post at - oops, of course, you wouldn't dare, wooz, just in case somebody thought that you were gay also. Dang it.

In the UK we are still allowed to say it but I doubt that you are in the USA so I'll confine myself to the initials: Alaskan - GFYS (P).

Posted by: OliverPCamford at December 24, 2007 1:13 AM

"America will pay a price. If there is a God in heaven, America will pay a price for this treachery"
Damn Monk...doan hold back, tell us how much you really hate America. I think your hatred is blinding you to the truth of things. When someone starts talkin' to me about demons, I kinda wonder about what is motivating them. Clearly hatred is your fuel.

Posted by: Alaskan at December 24, 2007 2:12 AM

Holy crap Oliver. Did I say I hate gays? Did I intimate in any way that I did? My point was that he is informed on many subjects, gay rights being one of the many things, by committees and appointees. He cannot be an expert on all things. I could care less what a persons sexual preference is. I have openly gay friends…that is to say I know they are gay, that I have no problem whatsoever hanging out with. They know I’m not gay so…what’s the big deal? Jesus…I have rarely seen so much hatred and vitriol displayed here. A passing reference to gay rights gets me a GFYS. Well, I don’t feel that way about you pal. Good for you for stickin’ up for yourself. Just go after someone who hates you for your sexual preferences instead of me. Sure are a lot of superior beings here tonight.

Posted by: Alaskan at December 24, 2007 2:13 AM

And trust me Oliver...I know the difference between homosexuality and pedophilia. One is sick as hell, the sexualization of children, and the other is none of my or anyone else's damn business.

Posted by: Alaskan at December 24, 2007 2:18 AM

And anyone who thinks that ANY President of the U.S. has acted strictly on his own, doing exactly what he chose to do is totally out of touch with reality.

Absolutely. He was elected by people who with a very few exceptions (and Bush not being one of them) had no clue about the nature of islam and even now, 6 years after Sep. 11th, the majority of Americans stubbornly refuse to face a fact that their country, freedom and ultimately their very lives are under a most vicious attack
Sophisticated West Europeans leaders elected by the, ah so, sophisticated Europeans do not fare any better vis a vis the Islamic onslaught than Bush. On the contrary. The leaders accepted the inevitability of Eurabia and it doesn't seem that the Europeans may do anything to replace them with persons representing their disliking of the islamisation of the continent. It is so much easier to join the Bush bashing hate-party while the armies of Moslems keep on marching through their non-existing borders.

ANYTHING that raises the moral of our enemy is good for them, and thereby bad for us.

And the incessant hateful Bush-bashing noise is very "good for them".

For good or bad the President of the United States, regardless of his name, is the leader of the free world. Continually running any President down is not in our best interests.

America is the leader of the free world. It is the main global force for good. The less the world treasures its freedom, the more it, secretly, is ashamed of that fact and therefore the shriller becomes its anti-americanism.
That is why incompetence of Bush is greeted with such malicious glee instead of a constructive criticism.

You wrote a good comment Alaskan.

Posted by: thomas. h at December 24, 2007 4:18 AM

Alaskan, you wrote: "Do you really believe that he (Bush) is personally trying to kill Jews? Do you believe that Condi is lying to kill Jews? Do you believe that they seek the destruction of our only friend in the region?"

It does not matter that "he is personally trying to kill Jews." The result is the same. His policies are responsible for weakening Israel's security and the deaths of innocent Jews. I "think" Bush is a liar. All his (as rocketman says) smooth talk about how "Israel is our friend" and "I'm going to stand by Israel" is just that, smooth talking lies.

Mr. Bush and Dr. Rice to NOT CARE if Jews are killed and for that matter they do not care if Israel is wiped off the map. They care about the free-flow of oil from the Muslim-Arab world Alaskan and the fact that you and others on this forum do not understand this simple truth leaves me wondering about the purpose of this site as well as its ability to educate you and others.

Posted by: monk at December 24, 2007 6:15 AM

Alaskan, your education regarding the danger that is Islam began 2 years ago. You really caught on about the end of the first year. Now you are spreadin' the word fast and furious.

May I ask, what are you reading?

Again, I wonder about the purpose of this site. Does anyone who reads this site understand, this U.S. president is a liar, a friend of and an apologist for our enemies? Don't tell me the president of the United States wallow in ingnorance. He is a liar.

"BY NOW EVERYONE HAS HEARD THAT 'Islam means peace'. Everyone up to and including the President of the United States and the Prime Minister of Great Britain has been saying so ever since the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001. Yet open the pages of Islam's holy book, the Qur'an, and you will find statements like this: 'Slay the pagans wherever you find them'...."

Islam Unveiled Disturbing Questions About The World's Fastest-Growing Faith by Robert Spencer page 1

"ISLAM IS PEACE." George W. Bush went to a mosque to say it late 2001. The September 11 terrorist attacks he averred, "violate the fundamental tenets of the Islamic faith." In his September 20, 2001 address to Congress he elaborated: "The terrorists practice a fringe form of Islamic extremism that has been
rejected by Muslim scholars and the vast majority of Muslim clerics -- a fringe movement that perverts the peaceful teachings of Islam."

Islam Unveiled Disturbing Questions About The World's Fastest-Growing Faith by Robert Spencer page 7

Posted by: monk at December 24, 2007 6:38 AM

Alaskan wrote: "Damn Monk...doan hold back, tell us how much you really hate America. I think your hatred is blinding you to the truth of things. When someone starts talkin' to me about demons, I kinda wonder about what is motivating them. Clearly hatred is your fuel."

I will warn America and Americans. I will admonish conservatives that they have a phony representing them in the White House.

If you prefer to call warning "hatred," fine. There is nothing blinding me to the truth of things. That you believe I am blind to the truth, speaks to your own personal judgment; to your own sense of justice.

We have a U.S. president lying to his people, pursuing policies that are destructive to his nation and you say I am blind to the truth of things. Where are the demons? Who said anything about demons?

Posted by: monk at December 24, 2007 6:51 AM

Mr. Bush and Dr. Rice to NOT CARE if Jews are killed and for that matter they do not care if Israel is wiped off the map.

But if so, then the entire Israel's Left, headed by Ehud Olmert, happilly embracing the delusional "peace plan" of Mr. Bush and Dr. Rice doesn't CARE if Jews are killed and ...if Israel is wiped off the map.
A strange, if not preposterous, charge, I would think.

Posted by: thomas. h at December 24, 2007 7:01 AM

A once great nation has gone the way of all empire's.
When arrogant fools and idots rule over us our days are not long.

Those who call the truth, hate hate the truth.

"After the United States has spent more than $5 billion in a largely failed effort to bolster the Pakistani military effort against militants from Al Qaeda and the Taliban, some American officials now acknowledge that there were too few controls over how the money was spent, and that the strategy to improve the Pakistani military needs to be completely revamped."

The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God.
Pslam 9:17

America ,because you ahve fdorgotten the one who made you great He will forget you and leave you to your enemies and your stupidity.

Posted by: rocketman at December 24, 2007 7:27 AM

Thomas, you wrote: "But if so, then the entire Israel's Left, headed by Ehud Olmert, happily embracing the delusional "peace plan" of Mr. Bush and Dr. Rice doesn't CARE if Jews are killed and ...if Israel is wiped off the map.
A strange, if not preposterous, charge, I would think."

It is not a strange or a preposterous charge. As with Alaskan, may I ask, what and who are you reading? Where do you do your study on the Middle East and Israel?

Do you read any of the conservative Israeli news sites like Arutz Sheva, Israelinsider, MEMRI, etc.? Olmert does not care if Jews are massacred or perhaps he could care less or very little.

Have you read for instance, Prime Minister Olmert is building underground reinforced bunkers in the mountains of Israel, beneath his office and now beneath his home in order to save his own skin from a possible chemical, biological or nuclear strike on Israel that could kill tens, even hundreds of thousands of his citizens?

He himself, by embracing the delusional "peace plan" of Mr. Bush and Dr. Rice, is inviting violence and bloodshed in his own land, on his own people. What do you call this other than treason?

Posted by: monk at December 24, 2007 7:34 AM

Alaskan wrote ;
By the way...are you prepared to defend your life when the Jihadis come to your door?

If God does not defend you ,you are hopeless and dead.
I would watch for the Russians if I were you before the jihadists.

What we are doing to Israel ,dividing her land and giving it to Islamic terroirst will come on us.
Divine justice for the evil our leaders do under the lie of peace.
Just as God raised up Babylon's King Nebuchadnezzar to defeat his own people Israel
so today he raises up many enemies to destroy the arrogant prideful empire who assumes to divide up His reborn Israel.

Peace with Islam IS A LIE.
So why do you or anyone buy the liar in chief's peace scheme for Israel as he arrogantly assume's to divide up someone else's tiny sliver of land for what we all see to be no peace ,but israel's encirclement and entrapment.
Those who point the finger at Israel ,stop ingoring who is the bully superpower and who is the TINY non Moslem nation with only a devious and dubious friend and ally who treacherously betrays her.
If you give a wink and a nod to this evil man Bush that you are a partaker of his evil.
God is not fooled by your hypocrisy.

Posted by: rocketman at December 24, 2007 7:40 AM

Alasakan wrote: "ANYTHING that raises the morale of our enemy is good for them, and thereby bad for us.

Thomas answered: "And the incessant hateful Bush-bashing noise is very "good for them". "

Consequently, the two of you recommend silence in the face of evil. What is raising the morale of our enemy both here and abroad, more than Bush's lies about Islam? What raises the morale of our enemy more than Bush's efforts to undermine Israel's security? Than his efforts to shrink her already tiny size and leaver her vulnerable to annihilation? What raises our enemy's morale more than these as the two of you maintain your polite silence?

Lincoln wrote: "To sin by silence when they know they should protest, makes cowards of men."

This is what you two advocate. Silence.

Thomas and Alaskan say: "Do not speak out against injustice."

"Do not condemn an evil-doer in the White House lest we raise the morale of our enemy."

Posted by: monk at December 24, 2007 7:49 AM

Thomas, you wrote: "But if so, then the entire Israel's Left, headed by Ehud Olmert, happily embracing the delusional "peace plan" of Mr. Bush and Dr. Rice doesn't CARE if Jews are killed and ...if Israel is wiped off the map.
A strange, if not preposterous, charge, I would think."

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1196847420086&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

MK Yuval Steinitz (Likud), also a member of the Knesset's Foreign Affairs and Defense Committee, attacked the Foreign Ministry on Monday over its decision to prevent video footage showing Egyptian security forces helping Hamas terrorists reenter the Gaza Strip from the Philadelphi corridor from reaching members of the US Congress.

"As published in The Jerusalem Post, Israel could have scored a major victory with the US Congress, and [could have] persuaded them that Egypt is incapable of defending the Gaza border. However, the Foreign Ministry intervened with no suitable explanation," Steinitz said.

Responding to Steinitz's claims, Livni maintained that "some things are done on stage, some are done in Congress and some other things are done behind the scenes. Every move needs to be calculated. To take an extreme scenario - would you sever relations with Egypt over weapon smuggling?"......

Posted by: monk at December 24, 2007 8:40 AM

Thomas, you wrote: "But if so, then the entire Israel's Left, headed by Ehud Olmert, happily embracing the delusional "peace plan" of Mr. Bush and Dr. Rice doesn't CARE if Jews are killed and ...if Israel is wiped off the map.
A strange, if not preposterous, charge, I would think."

TREASON Thomas:

Dec 24, 2007 10:26 | Updated Dec 24, 2007 14:31
'Israeli government helping to increase terrorism'
By JPOST.COM STAFF AND SHEERA CLAIRE FRENKEL

Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni met with Foreign Affairs and Defense Committee (FADC) members late Monday morning to discuss the government's current position on possible future prisoner releases.

FADC members stepping out of the meeting quoted Livni as saying the government was reevaluating what the classifications for prisoners were and how Israel should negotiate with the Palestinians.

"By being so flexible and pragmatic, the government is helping increase terrorism and foils the international fight against it," Israel Radio quoted FADC member and Likud MK Yuval Steinitz as saying.

"According to the government's new formulae, a killer is no longer a killer, and the terrorist Palestinian Authority is a peace partner....."

Posted by: monk at December 24, 2007 8:43 AM

As with Alaskan, may I ask, what and who are you reading? Where do you do your study on the Middle East and Israel?

In the Middle East and Israel. How about you?

And I do read Jihad Watch, Arutz Sheva (occasionally), Memri, View from the Right, etc. Not because they tell me anything new about the nature of Islam, (that has been obvious to me a few decades before Jihad Watch made its first appearance), but because they, especially JihadWatch, are an invaluable source of information on the progress of the Jihad.

But it is not so much what I read, but what I write you should be concerned with. And what I wrote is that anyone claiming that Israeli left, and in particular Olmert, "does not care if Jews are massacred" is preposterous and I stand by it.
As for the "news" that "Olmert is building underground reinforced bunkers in the mountains of Israel, beneath his office and now beneath his home in order to save his own skin from a possible chemical, biological or nuclear strike on Israel that could kill tens, even hundreds of thousands of his citizens… - you will excuse me if I think it is a piece of massive BS.

It is true that a country in war must and, always does, protect its government more than any other organ - and Israel is not an exception. But to attribute making such precaution, in Israel's case, to nothing but cowardly egoism of its government and callousness, is not just preposterous, but perfectly ludicrous. A malicious slander.
Do you see, dear Monk, where your blind anti-Bush psychosis lead you to?
Please do get some hold on yourself.

Posted by: thomas. h at December 24, 2007 9:35 AM

Still at it after all these hours. Monk-14 posts from 2:21pm yesterday till 8;43am this morning , so far. Most of this has been off topic (A'Palestinian' propaganda/recruitment video, of Paradise and the 72). This thread has degenerated into a huge waste of bandwidth. RS does not maintain this site so that it can be commandeered for long running arguments and insults. At least I don't think he does.
People who want to do that, should get their own blogs...other than that Merry Christmas...

Posted by: duh_swami at December 24, 2007 10:07 AM

duh_swami wrote: "Still at it after all these hours. Monk-14 posts from 2:21pm yesterday till 8;43am this morning , so far. Most of this has been off topic (A'Palestinian' propaganda/recruitment video, of Paradise and the 72). This thread has degenerated into a huge waste of bandwidth."

duh_swami, this is a good way to silence legitimate debate and discussion. "Off topic." Because I get up around 6:00 AM or so -- my business is agriculture --- you infer that I have been posting all night which is not honest on your part. Please go back and read where I left off last night (around 8:29 PM) and where I resumed this morning (around 6:15 AM).

As you say this is Robert's site. If he admonishes me and other because we are commandeering his site for partisan or nefarious purposes I will accept the judgment. Folks on other discussion groups have done what you are attempting to do in an effort to silence debate and discussion. You and your approach (e.g., "This thread has degenerated into a huge waste of bandwidth," etc.) are in no way new to me.

Quite honestly duh_swami I believe Israel is at the epi-center of this war against the global jihad and it is therefore a critical part of the over all picture. That is one of the reasons why the Jewish state is constantly in the news.

Consequently, I wrote Mr. Spencer a couple of weeks back asking if he could devote more attention to this critical part of the world, as well as the controversy surrounding it.

May I suggest that perhaps you do not feel 'comfortable' defending this president's policies vis a vis our war on "terrorism" and his immoral policies toward the Jewish state in particular; that this is at the heart of your complaint?

Posted by: monk at December 24, 2007 10:29 AM

People who want to do that, should get their own blogs...other than that Merry Christmas...

Right!
And Merry Christmas to you, Swami.

Ow, what the heck...To you too, Monk!

Posted by: thomas. h at December 24, 2007 10:53 AM

Thanks Thomas. I don't celebrate Christmas however. Isn't Christmas supposed to be about the birth of Jesus Christ? Wasn't Jesus a Jew? "King of the Jews."

Like me, Jesus was wedded to his people Israel; to the 'lost sheep of the house of Israel'. Like me, he would condemn the evil we see surrounding and attacking Israel, even the evil from this U.S. president and his Secretary of State who compares the jihadists to Blacks in the South suffering at the hands of White racists, who in Dr. Rice's mind are Israel's Jews).

As the God of Israel is my witness (and He is not a demon as Alaskan suggested), Jesus would do exactly what I am doing.

The sad thing is Thomas -- particularly at this most holy time in the year for Christian believers -- as with me, you and the others would also condemn Jesus. I know you find this very hard to believe.

It's very sad but true. Remember what I have written because in the world to come I will remind you if and when we meet.

On Robert Spencer's blog I am Monk (actually Steve) and you are Robert K. Do not forget me. "Monk" is the name of my beloved black cat whom I lost only hours after the September 11, 2001 World Trade center and Pentagon terror atrocities.

Posted by: monk at December 24, 2007 11:16 AM

I'm sorry I meant to write Thomas H.

Posted by: monk at December 24, 2007 11:19 AM

Monk,

Isn't it a bit presumptious to say "Jesus would do exactly what I am doing"?

Really, let us not make predictions on "what would Jesus do if...". Instead, let's try to do our best while remembering we are only humans and our "best" may not be seen as best by Jesus.

Remember what I have written because in the world to come I will remind you if and when we meet,

You have a deal!

Wishing you and yours a very Happy Hannuka.

cheers,

Thomas H.

Posted by: thomas. h at December 24, 2007 12:39 PM

Monk...You were right about the time, I was right about the count. Sorry. I don't necessarily disagree with you about Israel/Palestine/Bush. I think what I object to is when the open debate, or information exchange, gets bogged down with personal negativity.
You were involved with that, with Alaskan. Who himself wrote seven long posts in a short time, some of it argumentative.
Because we infidels here are on essentially the same side, I refrain from conflict with my fellows who may not agree with me on something.
When I say most of these posts are off topic I mean that by the time I read all the posts and may want to comment, I have to go back to the article to remember what it was. In this case, this is the topic 'Palestinian TV uses sex to sell shahada'.
The last time this topic was mentioned was at eight pm last night.
The only reason I care is because this site and RS work are very important in the work of anti jihad. And it is constantly monitored by the enemies of freedom. If we are going to reduce it to a wrestling match, lets do it with visiting muslims
who have a bone to pick...cheers...

Posted by: duh_swami at December 24, 2007 1:16 PM

"Wishing you and yours a very Happy Hannuka."

Thanks Thomas.

"Isn't it a bit presumptuous to say "Jesus would do exactly what I am doing"?"

No. Not really. I do not believe I said "exactly." I believe Jesus' condemnation of Bush would be far more harsh than mine.

Like many, I have studied his basic message as it can be ascertained and confirmed between the gospel accounts. By any standard of measure the man was passionately devoted to his people Israel, the Jews. Jesus main controversy was with the religious leaders, not the Jewish masses.

I think Rabbi Joseph Telushkin ("Jewish Literacy") captured the essence of the man:

"...That the Romans hung over Jesus' body a sign, proclaiming his crime, KING OF THE JEWS, again underscores the apparent militant and political direction of his activities. Jesus' nationalism which occasionally spilled over into unpleasant chauvinism, is illustrated by a story in Matthew:

Jesus went away from there, and withdrew into the district of Tyre and Sidon.

And a Canaanite woman from that region came out and began to cry out, saying, "Have mercy on me, Lord, Son of David; my daughter is cruelly demon-possessed."

But He did not answer her a word. And His disciples came and implored Him, saying, "Send her away, because she keeps shouting at us."

But He answered and said, "I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel."

But she came and began to bow down before Him, saying, "Lord, help me!"

And He answered and said, "It is not good to take the children's bread and throw it to the dogs."

But she said, "Yes, Lord; but even the dogs feed on the crumbs which fall from their masters' table."

Then Jesus said to her, "O woman, your faith is great; it shall be done for you as you wish." And her daughter was healed at once.

Joseph Telushkin, "Jewish Literacy," page127

My guess is, Jesus' message and his condemnation of Mr. Bush would be far more harsh than mine. Have I called non-Jews dogs?

Thomas, if you maintain Jesus condemnation of Bush's evil policies (his road map to Israel's annihilation) would not be equally as harsh or more harsh then mine then I maintain you do not know Jesus; nor would you recognize him if you meet him.

Posted by: monk at December 24, 2007 1:45 PM

duh_swami, you raise some important points. Let me try to address them separately:

"You were involved with that, with Alaskan. Who himself wrote seven long posts in a short time, some of it argumentative."

I am sorry if I offended Alaskan. I have been involved in political activism for several years now; a good part of my of my adult life. Unlike most conservatives, I am not a partisan Republican, though I am a thirty-six year registered Republican, former Repub. precinct committeeman, pro-life activist, etc. I am an independent conservative. Radio talk show host, Michael Savage defines himself as an independent conservative. Consequently, other than R. Spencer and a couple of other leaders in the movement, Savage has almost no defenders in his suit with Council on American Islamic Relations, who are trying to ruin his career. Not even Frontpagemag is coming to his defense.

There may be some other reasons, but this is the primary reason as I have learned in my political activism. A good Republican or conservative activist is a team player. If you don't play by the rules duh_swami, you are dumped on. When I am attacked for my opinions on Bush and I am immediately attacked.... well draw your own conclusions.

"Because we infidels here are on essentially the same side, I refrain from conflict with my fellows who may not agree with me on something."

duh_swami, this is what we constantly hear from people in the party. "Let us focus on those things that unite us, not on the things that divide us." In other words, be a good little soldier and do not dissent from the party line. It depends on that "something" (you suggest that) divides us and how critical it is. I can be a team player but if you are going to condone rank evil because you want to try to unite on other aspects of the global conflict, do not count me in.

"When I say most of these posts are off topic I mean that by the time I read all the posts and may want to comment, I have to go back to the article to remember what it was. In this case, this is the topic 'Palestinian TV uses sex to sell shahada'."

If Mr. Spencer wants me to leave the forum, he is entitled to ban me. I am certain he has the necessary means to ban members that he considers a problem. Or he can ask that I restrain my comments or whatever. This is his web site.

I am going to challenge people to think and to respond. So long as I have breath within me, whenever Jihad Watch posts something touching on the Arab war against the Jews, I am more than likely to bring in the political aspect to the conflict. Politics touches everything in our lives. You cannot escape it duh_swami as much as you may try.

"The only reason I care is because this site and RS work are very important in the work of anti jihad. And it is constantly monitored by the enemies of freedom. If we are going to reduce it to a wrestling match, lets do it with visiting Muslims who have a bone to pick...cheers..."

His work is important to the anti-Jihad. Do you want me to explain how wrong I believe a part of your rationale is here -- the part about the "enemies of freedom" monitoring this site -- or have I done a suitable job above? What is freedom to you is very different to what is freedom in the mind of our enemeis.

I don't care what the enemy thinks of me. I speak for myself; not for Robert Spencer or for anyone else. Doesn't Jihad Watch have a disclaimer to this effect? That the opinions here do not necessarily represent the views of the author?

At times our president appears to be on the side of my enemy, the jihadists. Isn't this worthy of mention in your mind or do you prefer to cover that little evil in order to not give aid and comfort to the enemey? When Mr. Bush is giving aid and comfort to the enemy -- something we see daily -- I will call him out. Why shouldn't I?

Posted by: monk at December 24, 2007 2:12 PM

monk asked "Who said anything about Demons?
Posted by rocketman...."You shallow phony hypocrites find it easier to ignore the name callers and make excuses for diabolical,devious,demonic,evil, smooth talking killer Bush".
Posted by monk
"Lincoln wrote: "To sin by silence when they know they should protest, makes cowards of men."

"This is what you two advocate. Silence." Uh...to that may I say B.S. One does not educate or enlighten by calling names or alienating those we wish to communicate with. Didn't you learn that early in life? Most of us figured that out in elementary school.

Thomas and Alaskan say: "Do not speak out against injustice." neither of us said that. That is your take on us saying denigrating the Prez serves no purpose. Damn buddy...what radicalized the hell out of you anyway? You sound so much like a Jihadi...it's freaky. There is no reasoning with you when you spew hatred in my face. I don't hate you or think you are evil. For someone who seems to know God on a personal basis, you don't seem to practice much of what's in the Bible. But...I guess that comes from having such a close relationship with God. Give us poor unenlightened ones a break.
God does not speak directly to me as he clearly does to you. Well...you would appear to be hearing someones voice anyway. Like I said...must be great to be all knowing...to feel confident in judging those around you to be good or evil. i am not that spiritually enlightened and will probably never be.

"Do not condemn an evil-doer in the White House lest we raise the morale of our enemy." You just don't get it do you? Sigh....

Wow...I've never been judged by a stranger quite so often. You see evil. I do not. It is possible to criticize without demeaning a person, a concept you are clearly not familiar with. Clearly your feeling of moral superiority puts you in a position to judge the motives and morals of those around you. Just like the Muslim supremacist.
You judge me to be evil. That is your right, but it doesn't make you right. You even claim to know what God would think of me. That to is the act of a Muslim supremacist. You have much in common with them. Your claim to supreme knowledge of all things is quite evident, as is your feeling of moral superiority over all those who disagree with you. Well...keep up the name calling and hatred. I'm sure that will make me see things your way eventually.

Posted by: Alaskan at December 24, 2007 2:45 PM

Alaskan, I will comment on some of your observations and questions later. My guess is rocketman is a Christian. This may be the reason he uses terms like diabolical, demonic, etc.

I am a Jew. Jews generally steer clear of these terms since they are not found in the Hebrew Bible.

May I ask how you identify yourself? Christian, Jew, secular, atheist or other? Maybe this has some bearing on your attitude toward me.

I reject your descriptive, "radicalized." I will accept passionate. Radical and passionate are very different. People that stap bombs on themselves (and their children) and walk into discos in Israel, blowing themselves and as many Jews as possible along with them are "radical." Grown men fly jets into the World Trade Center towers, these are radical.

This is very different from passion for my nation and people, Israel. Unlike our enemies, I am not a good hater. I am not envious and jealous of others' success, unlike our enemies. I don't envy the Saudis all their wealth unlike our enemies that envy the Jews' hard work and success in Israel.

What you are doing to me, by labeling me radical or radicalized, is little different than what many in our left-leaning media do by making a moral equivalence between fundamentalist Christians and jihadists or "fundamentalist" Muslims. Or the moral equivalence Dr. Rice and Mr. Bush make between Palestinian Muslim terrorism and Israel's self defense. Bush did this in his speech at Annapolis. He said both Palestinians and Israelis needed to stop the terrorism. What? What terrorism on Israel's part, Alaskan is your "Prez" (is this your affectionate term for the president?) speaking of.

It is an unfair attribution and comparison you are making. As a reader of Spencer's material, you of all people should know better.

Posted by: monk at December 24, 2007 3:09 PM

Alaskan, here you go again, comparing me with our jihadist enemeies. Maybe after all this is behind us, we can get down to the issues:

You wrote: "You judge me to be evil."

Where have I judged you evil? I believe I wrote you appear to condone evil and evil-doers. I judge what Bush is doing to our only reliable ally in the Middle East, evil. Consequently, I believe Mr. Bush is an evil-doer. That is my right. We have an obligation to make moral judgments. I am not being unfair in my judgment of this president. Not by a long shot.

"That is your right,"

Exactly! I am judging George W. Bush. You believe the man is a decent man. An honorable man. Don't you? I believe you are very wrong about Mr. Bush. He is not a decent man. He is not a moral man or an honorable man. Moral men do not do to an ally that is at war with the same enemy as we are at war with what Bush is doing to Israel. Immoral men do what Bush has done to the Jewish state and is doing to the Jewish state.

"but it doesn't make you right. You even claim to know what God would think of me."

I have never claimed to know what God would think of you. My opinions are my own. I don't know what to think of you other than that you are a defender of Mr. Bush. I am not.

This is my problem with your argument. This makes me just like a Muslim supremacist. Supreme knowledge of all things. Feelings of moral superiority over those who disgree with me, name calling, hatred, etc., etc., etc.:

You wrote: "That to is the act of a Muslim supremacist. You have much in common with them. Your claim to supreme knowledge of all things is quite evident, as is your feeling of moral superiority over all those who disagree with you. Well...keep up the name calling and hatred. I'm sure that will make me see things your way eventually."

Let's try to stick with the issue at hand: George W. Bush's war against the global jihad. Is it consistent when Israel is factored into the equation.

Yes or no, Alaskan? Yes or no?

Posted by: monk at December 24, 2007 3:45 PM

Alaskan: I obviously completely misunderstood your words and misjudged you - always a risk on a blog, I know, but I am very, very sorry to have done so. Please accept this apology and my apolology, also, for being so late in apologising to you. I have a house full of family and friends and life is hectic (but fun). May I take this opportunity to wish you and yours a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.

Posted by: OliverPCamford at December 24, 2007 10:20 PM

Someone correct me if i am wrong in what i am about to say.

In islam it is believed that hell will be populated mostly by women. Is that correct?

In paradise the "heroes,lions and martyrs" are rewarded with 72 virgins. Is that not correct?

If i am correct thus far than let me see how this works out.

72 virgin women for 1 "heroic and pious" muslim man.Thats 72-1.it sounds like women will dominate the population of paradise,doesn't that make paradise hell?

Posted by: Dar al-harb at December 24, 2007 10:58 PM

monk you wanted a yes or no answer....No. But not with the intention of doing evil. Due to ignorance, which is pert near as bad as evil.
Thanks Oliver. Apology most certainly accepted. No harm no foul. A very Merry Christmas to you and yours as well. And a happy Hanukkah to you monk...live long and prosper.
And no, I don't think of the "Prez" as my buddy in any way. "Prez" is what I typed cause I was feelin' lazy. If anything "Prez" is disrespectful. He's not my idol, he does not inspire me nor is he the best man for the job. But he's the one we got right now and I respect his office...his position. (Imagine how hard that was to do during the Clinton years!)
I have had my share of arguments with what I can only call anti-Semitic ignoramuses regarding what's going on in Lebanon. They hold their anti Israeli views because that's is what they have been fed.
The U.N.? Plow that useless body under. We need something that works to spread Democracy or some form of self determination and has the will and power to accomplish same. When the Foxes set about running let alone guarding the hen houses, it's time for a major change.
And let me tell you monk...If the need came, I would stand right beside you if I could, weapon in hand to help keep you and yours free. I would do this for freedoms sake. Your enemy is my enemy...no matter what you may think of me.

Posted by: Alaskan at December 24, 2007 11:39 PM

You wrote Alaskan: "you wanted a yes or no answer....No. But not with the intention of doing evil. Due to ignorance, which is pert near as bad as evil."

My late father and I would argue about Bush's policies in the Middle East. Dad was our Republican party chairman and state committeeman, strong supporter of our Fla. Governor Jeb Bush and President Bush. Dad assured me that Bush had some of the best minds in the world advising him on the Middle East and that he was in possession of far more information than I was. The implication was that I should trust President Bush's judgment in handling this critical area of the world.

I didn't then and I do not even now buy this. Are you saying Bush does not know President Mahmoud Abbas was Yasser Arafat's right hand man for decades, that he is a founding member of the murderous Fatah, finacier of the Munich massacres in Germany, an unrepetant Holocaust denier that routinely calls for jihad and murder of innocent Jewish women and children? Bush calls him a "man dedicated to peace."

Do you maintain that your sources and my sources are better than Bush's sources and the U.S. State Department sources. Bush is ignorant that PLO covenant calls for the "phased" annihilation of Israel? Bush is ignorant that Abbas' armed wing, the Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigade, has committed more acts of terror and suicide bombings than Hamas. Bush is unaware that the guns and money he provides Abbas and Fatah is turned against Israelis.

Bush is unaware that as his Secretary of State scolds Israel to remove checkpoints, Palestinian police murder innocent Israelis on their way home to their families.

Bush does not know Saudi charities finance Hamas, Al Qaeda, the Chechens terrorists, the Bosnian Muslim jihadists, etc., or that the Saudis, our good friends, are the largest exporters of international terrorism in the world, as well as this violent stream of Islam call Wahhabism. Bush is ignorant of all of this?

Posted by: monk at December 25, 2007 7:29 AM

If President Bush, or for that matter, any President, made any statement other than Islam is Peaceful. Would in effect, be making a declaration of War.

All of Islam would be enraged with a Blood Lust while a good half of our Country would be back peddling away from the statement. The Damage would be done and we would be worse off for it.

One cannot declare war and be hamstrung in engaging in it.

Posted by: flowerknife_us at December 25, 2007 8:56 AM

Flowerknife, you wrote: "If President Bush, or for that matter, any President, made any statement other than Islam is Peaceful. Would in effect, be making a declaration of War.

All of Islam would be enraged with a Blood Lust while a good half of our Country would be back peddling away from the statement. The Damage would be done and we would be worse off for it.

One cannot declare war and be hamstrung in engaging in it."

I don't agree with you. If the president and you are afraid of the Muslims why say anything foolish like "Islam is peace?"

Why can't Bush maintain a 'digified' silence since he is a disgusting coward? You are telling me, Israel took on five or six of the most powerful Muslim nations --- including Egypt, Syria and Iraq -- tiny Israel did this in the Six Day War giving them all a good belting, and the mighty United States is impotent Flowerknife?

Do you know how pathetic this sounds to me? This is sooo pathetic! What you are advocating is pathetic and reprehensible. The mighty United States and her president cower in fear before Islam? "Islam would be enraged with BLOOD LUST if the president told the truth?"

Posted by: monk at December 25, 2007 9:06 AM

"72 virgin women for 1 "heroic and pious" muslim man.Thats 72-1.it sounds like women will dominate the population of paradise,doesn't that make paradise hell?"

Posted by: Dar al-harb

As I've suggested before in these pages, the 72 virgins in Paradise are not 72 apiece, but 72 total. One must wait one's turn. At present it's about 9000 years until your first one, and then another 9000 years until the next, and so on. And actually, the wait between virgins is lengthening, since more "martyrs" are arriving all the time. I'm not sure how long one has to wait for the first "pearl-boy". And, yes, that does make the Moslem Paradise a Hell. What else would one expect from Islam? It tries to make Earth into a Hell, so why not Paradise, too?

Posted by: ebonystone at December 25, 2007 9:17 AM

""All of Islam would be enraged with a Blood Lust while a good half of our Country would be back peddling away from the statement. The Damage would be done and we would be worse off for it.""

It's no wonder we're losing this war on terror with spineless doubletalk and appeasment and the fearful coward President who can't even bring himself to say war on Islamic terrorism.
Lets remain is a state of denial and delusion so we don't hurt the feelings of those who wnat to forcefuly convert us ,kill us,cut our heads off.
Churchill wasn't bashful with the truth as the wimp in chief is.

How many have see Bush's homeland security at work .
A moslem TSA agent searching a white american nun at the airport.

http://averyheavystone.blogspot.com/
A picture speaks a thousand words and this is Bush's real war on America as OBL six years on is free from this abuse of America's freedom by the phony peacemaker and phony warrior who has proiven a failed conman politician and no leader.

Posted by: rocketman at December 25, 2007 10:20 AM

My how the venom doth spew. I think I see it drippin' outta my monitor! Wow! Where it landed when it dripped out...there's just a smokin' hole in my desk! ...it already burned through the floor! Now THAT is some class "A" hatred! (And on Christmas day ...yeah, yeah...the "truth" can't take a day off or some such crap.) I'm sure that will do us all alot of good!
Well...ya can't argue with a barkin' dog and I'm sure not gonna try.

Merry Christmas and a Happy Hanukkah to all! Here's hoping the New Year is a good one for all of us.

Posted by: Alaskan at December 25, 2007 7:09 PM

Monk

If you can get the support from the MSM for your position, I'm all in. Until then, we all need to deal with the Political realities.

You seem to forget the trouncing the President gets when ever he does speak out against Islam.

We are the tiny minority around here.

Posted by: flowerknife_us at December 26, 2007 7:47 AM

....Islam continues its brainwashing programs....it has been going on for 1400 years....

Ban Muslim Immigration

Posted by: exsgtbrown at December 26, 2007 8:30 AM