Not suprising.

Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at December 27, 2007 10:55 AM

Do not link this with islam or muslims. Islam is for peace and so are muslims.

Pakistan is a model country filled will productive muslims practicing islam in a peaceful manner.

DO NOT LOOK AT ISLAM.

Posted by: mike trivisonno at December 27, 2007 11:02 AM

The US war on something ?
Six years later Al Queda is as strong and popular and busy as ever.
Is the president too busy serving up Israel to the front line Islamic forces aka,the Palestinian's to find OBL ?

Wouldn't all the millions he has sent to the Palestinian terrorists been better served finding Osama ?

What kind of war is this smelly man leading ?

Posted by: rocketman at December 27, 2007 11:06 AM

What AQ; what terrorists? These things do not exist. The left told me so. It's all holograms.

Posted by: Socialpath at December 27, 2007 11:16 AM

Islam - RoPaT. Oh, and Respect for Women.

And mike, in case you are NOT engaging in sarcasm too thinly veiled for me to detect:

Why haven't the vast, vast majority of peaceful, productive Pakistani Muslims done more to combat the tiny, tiny number who have hijacked their "Religion of Peace and Tolerance and Respect for Women"?

Posted by: jay at December 27, 2007 11:22 AM

My husband is a 32 year old Indian from Bombay and he HATES Bhutto because of all the corruption in which she and her husband were involved. She was dismissed twice, charged and imprisoned (but never convicted...must have implicated too many other important people to be brought to trial), her landowner husband was charged with at least 18 counts, too, but also walked.

Just because she spoke English with a British accent and used all the right language didn't guarrantee she was the real thing. Some people are too easily fooled by appearances. Facts are more reliable. By their fruits shall ye know them. Western university education didn't seem to change her chakras. She is gone now, but I say she was not a likely redeemer.

Pakistan was and continues to remain a vision of hell on earth.

Posted by: rishika at December 27, 2007 11:29 AM

I have to say, the more I think back, I was waiting for this at any moment. She and everyone else knew she was a target (failed attempt with 100+ dead a few weeks ago) yet she seemed to be inviting an attack with her open, "mosh-pit" style campaigning. It almost seems like she had a death wish or something. Not just because she took a stand and ran for office and denounced the Islamists - a profile in courage - but due to her campaign style. No???

Posted by: BunrattyBill at December 27, 2007 11:30 AM

How can a BUMPERSTICKER kill people?

Islam is peace, I tell you, peace!

Sleep... sleep... sleep....

Posted by: profitsbeard at December 27, 2007 11:32 AM

This is islam's veto of democracy for pakistan. Sharia and democracy are incompatible. Respect for others is what makes democracy work. One person, one vote only works if all groups defer to the majority. It also only works when minorities have certain fundamental rights like freedom of speech, freedom of religion, and and freedom to make a contract. Democracy only works if the community protects in law its majority and minority.

A rejectionist can always torpedo democracy. Democracy is impossible if you have one group that will not yield or when a group believes that it is right no matter what and uses assassination to promote its agenda. The fact that these islamists claim assassination in the name of their god proves how vile is its theology and how how vile must be their god.

One world, one planet, no to islam!

Posted by: David England at December 27, 2007 11:36 AM

mike trivisonno,

For your gentle correction, would it suprise you that Islam is both violent and oppressive towards 50 percent of the Muslim population, that is women? The horrible death of Ms. Bhutto is PROOF POSIVTIVE of the violence and oppression of women in Islam. Would it be a suprise that the Koran blesses and commands SPOUSE ABUSE aganist women, citing Koran 4:34. Also Islam is in a civil war between the moderate Muslims and those who want to observe a "pure" Koranic based Islam which includes calls for VIOLENT jihad against all non-Muslims and all things not Muslim. This is proof of the roots of jihadi violence is Islam, the Koran, and the Hadith.

Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at December 27, 2007 11:37 AM

It's cultural, indicative of the outer tribal areas, completely distinct from Islam.

Posted by: awake at December 27, 2007 11:38 AM

Will Bhutto supporters continue to blame Musharraf after this claim of blame by al-Qaida?

Will they now name the real enemy and dig in for the long fight necessary to re-claim their country?

We shall see.

Posted by: alexon at December 27, 2007 11:42 AM

Will Bhutto supporters continue to blame Musharraf after this claim of blame by al-Qaida?

Will they now name the real enemy and dig in for the long fight necessary to re-claim their country?

We shall see.

Posted by: alexon at December 27, 2007 11:50 AM

Sorry, folks. I was, of course, fooling around.

Islam is dangerous. As I have learned since 9/11, there is little to reform in islam. A culture based on human sacrifice is not a culture worthy of existing.

Too few are willing to come to this conclusion.

Posted by: mike trivisonno at December 27, 2007 11:51 AM

I object to the concept of the corrupt Paki Politician because of its inherent redundancy. Same for Corrupt Moslem Politician.

The CIA shouldn't have been so naive as this.

Will they now name the real enemy and dig in for the long fight necessary to re-claim their country?

Pakistan is a hell-hole, people don't dig in for long wars to reclaim hell-holes. But, they do have those nukes, and they're considered quick-acting change agents.

And there can be no better hell-hole than Pakistan for a bunch of conflicted & confused Moslems to blow themselves up in.

Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer at December 27, 2007 11:53 AM

rocketman: Having read some of your posts, I felt compelled to write you and simply say that your hatred for President Bush verges on hysteria. I have my disagreements with the President, but your contention (on your web site) that he is establishing an Orwellian state here in America is absurd (FDR, Wilson and Lincoln all established far stricter controls over the country. Were they Orwellian too?).

Furthermore, while I don't agree that any more concessions should be offered by Israel to any Muslim or Muslim entity until full and complete, unconditionalized recognition of Israel's right to exist occurs (with no "right of return" and UN Resolution 242 correctly read as "territories" and not "the territories), many previous Presidents pressured Israel for concessions just as Bush has. You seem oblivious to the fact that any American President has to appear to the world as an honest broker in any Israeli/Palestinian matter. It's a game but a necessary one, especially considering that much of the world still depends on Middle Eastern oil, including the largest economies on earth, America and Japan. No, I'm not suggesting that money is all that matters, but it's damn important and you seem oblivious of this too. Criticize the President if you wish, but the way you do it severely weakens your case. You come across as a fanantic where Bush is concerned. Try focusing on real evil-------radical Islam.

Posted by: Wellington at December 27, 2007 11:55 AM

ABC News and George Staphinfection just announced that this is a major foreign policy failure for Pres. Bush.
No mention of Al Qaida.
Problem solved go back to sleep.

At least the trolls or semi-trolls here aren't threatening our daughters today. How they will embrace Islam's peace and wear burqas.

Posted by: Aunt Bea at December 27, 2007 11:56 AM

Just because she spoke English with a British accent and used all the right language didn't guarrantee she was the real thing. Some people are too easily fooled by appearances. Facts are more reliable. By their fruits shall ye know them. Western university education didn't seem to change her chakras. She is gone now, but I say she was not a likely redeemer.

It is sad to speak ill of the recently departed, but Benazir was as much a jehadist as any of the jehadists who ultimately killed her. During her term as Prime Minister of Pakistan she was active in leading the jehadists into Kashmir in India resulting in the murder of thousands of Kashmiri Hindus. She was an out-and-out opportunist and quite ruthless in her own way. Her own sister wrote a scathing article against her a few months back accusing her of having had her husband assassinated. Nor is Musharraf any better. It is high time the US government realizes that it is sinking money into a black hole in trying to create or sustain a 'democratic' Pakistan.

Posted by: Razdan at December 27, 2007 11:58 AM

Yes APF, a hell hole with nukes. That's why we can't ignore what's happening there (i'm not saying that you are suggesting that we ignore what's happening there, much as we might want to).

If Pakistan falls into chaos then we (not just the U.S. but NATO and the west) will need to intervene to some degree. Just how much intervention remains to be seen. Could be anothr Afghanistan type situation.

Posted by: alexon at December 27, 2007 11:59 AM

"ABC News and George Staphinfection just announced that this is a major foreign policy failure for Pres. Bush. No mention of Al Qaida."

Typical of the democrats and their amen corner in the mass media.

And why not? Even Bhutto supporters are singing the same sorry song.

Posted by: alexon at December 27, 2007 12:03 PM

""rocketman: Having read some of your posts, I felt compelled to write you and simply say that your hatred for President Bush verges on hysteria. I have my disagreements with the President, but your contention (on your web site) that he is establishing an Orwellian state here in America is absurd (FDR, Wilson and Lincoln all established far stricter controls over the country. Were they Orwellian too?). ""

Wellington ,next you're going to sell me the crap that he is a conservative or even a Republican ?
The simple truth ,It's alway's hate with the moronic tribe's whether they are left right or moslem.
Listen ,can you contridict oen fact I presented here about the god whose boots you lick ?

Save your load of excuses and double talk for someone else.
I'm not buying the dis-inforamtion campaign or your pathetic excuse making for your master and lord of strong delusion.

Posted by: rocketman at December 27, 2007 12:16 PM

I feel sorry for any leader in the Western world trying to figure out who to deal with in these insane countries.
The not-so-good, the bad or the truly ugly.

rocketman does sound hysterical.
These rabid Bush bashers can't help the themselves. They are so sure that give peace a chance wasn't just a dream they had back then. Be nice to them and they will be nice to us. Yeah, sure.
They are so blinded by their hatred that they can't see even a single tree much less that big old Grisly bear hiding the woods.
I don't think any Western leader could be right at this point in time.

I'm getting more interested in Fred Thompson every day.
If for no other reason than the MSM, drive bys are totally leaving him out of the picture. I'm always interested in someone they are afraid to even confront.

Thanks to Woodardbernsteinism we cannot even come up with worthwhile candidates for an election in a truly free country. How are the Pakistanis supposed to come up with someone who is looking out for the good of their country? Someone who is NOT corrupt, when, as many of us have noticed, all rulers in Islamic countries are corrupt. It is just they way business is done.

ABC just showed Bhutto saying that in Islam it is wrong to slay another Muslem. She said she would be safe.

Posted by: Aunt Bea at December 27, 2007 12:26 PM

Why would this be a major foreign policy failure for Pres. Bush?
It seems to me that keeping these different groups in Islamic countries at war with each other is what we would want. Gives them less time to commit acts of jihad on peaceful loving neighbors like India.
Let them scream death to America as long as they are fighting each other.
We didnt have much trouble with Iraq and Iran when they were at war with each other, and it was a lot cheaper to supply arms to opposing factions than to invade them with our own military. In fact they were happy to sell us their oil just so they could buy arms to kill each other off.
Not a good way to look at things but it is a fact of life. I would rather it be them causing havoc in their lands than causing it in my lands.
Iran YOU could be next.

Posted by: havekoranwilltravel at December 27, 2007 12:27 PM

rocketman: You need to get a grip. You're suffering from a very bad case of BDS (Bush Derangement Syndrome). Get some help.

Posted by: Wellington at December 27, 2007 12:31 PM

Yes APF, a hell hole with nukes. That's why we can't ignore what's happening there ...

Over the last years, especially since 9/11, I've carried Pakistan on the back of my mind, like a foot long black cockroach with its suck-straw poked deep into my lungs.

Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer at December 27, 2007 12:41 PM

It doesn't matter who the President is, who the party is, they HATE us and that's enough for them.

Posted by: gymgal at December 27, 2007 12:42 PM

Condolences to the family and friends of Benazir Bhutto. It was only going to be a matter of time before she got the full 'Religion of Peace and Tolerance' treatment.

Posted by: SHEIK RATTLE'n'ROLL at December 27, 2007 12:42 PM

"Not a good way to look at things but it is a fact of life. I would rather it be them causing havoc in their lands than causing it in my lands."
posted by havekoranwilltravel

This could be what that Iranian meant in the threat about 27 years ago that Robert posted earlier today.

Do ya think it's possible that the USA might be stirring the pot a bit in Iran? In Secret! Of course they are not supposed to do anything like that.

Posted by: Aunt Bea at December 27, 2007 12:43 PM

as usual, bush's analysis is spot on: "The United States strongly condemns this cowardly act by murderous extremists who are trying to undermine Pakistan's democracy."

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2007/12/20071227.html

there's that fixation on democracy again. nothing to do with islam, or even militant islam. just those pesky anti-democratic elements in pakistan.

Posted by: sheik yer booty at December 27, 2007 12:56 PM

We can only wish that more Muslim had her courage. She must have known that the odds she would die would be around 90%.

Hopefully her death will wait up Muslims to the FACT that there is something deeply wrong with a large portion of Islam.

The denial by Muslims that there religion has a deep and ugly element to it (please stop telling non-Muslims that the 25% of bloodlusting Muslims in your religion are not real Muslims.) It's a criminal denial.

May the God of Israel, the True God of Peace have mercy on Ms. Bhutto's soul and provide comfort to her family.

Posted by: James Martel at December 27, 2007 12:58 PM

Wonder what the apologists will say about this one.

Posted by: Stinkyinfidel at December 27, 2007 1:01 PM

I don't think Pakistanis are looking out for the good of their country, rather, like all Islamists, they're looking out for the good of Islam. And the USA certainly isn't lacking her fair share of corrupt politicians looking to feather or continue to feather (the Clintons) their nests. If I remember my history, at least what I remember about some documentary on Jinnah, Pakistan's creation as a nation was an accident when India gained its independence from Britain. We've been looking at fifty years and counting of a country where its citizens have been doing everything but looking out for the good of it. Think of the ironies: here is Benazir Bhutto with her Harvard and Oxford education wanting to represent a country where women are killed in the name of "family honor." She represented an idealized and delusional Islam that simply does not exist in the real world and the West had better realize it sooner rather than later.

Posted by: HOV Dummy at December 27, 2007 1:16 PM

The United States strongly condemns this cowardly act by murderous extremists who are trying to undermine Pakistan's democracy.

1) The murderers were Moslem activists, not extremists.

2) Pakistan is not a democracy.

Other than that, great press release!

Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer at December 27, 2007 1:24 PM

I think there was very little that Bhutto could have done in life to make any difference in Pakistan. Her tragic death, however, has a silver lining. It provides the world with another inescapable example of the insanity of a populace under the influence of political Islam. Maybe a few more people will connect the dots and figure out the roots of this craziness. Maybe a few more people will figure out that Islam is political system that needs to be resisted.

Posted by: tjhawk at December 27, 2007 1:54 PM

While it is possible that Al Quaida had something to do with this, I believe certain elements of the PAK military took part as well.

It seems they all had a dog in this fight.

Posted by: n.a. palm at December 27, 2007 1:54 PM

Wonder what the apologists will say about this one. Posted by: Stinkyinfidel

Not sure what apologists you mean. I will tell you that after the Muslims stop blaming Musharraf. They will blame Zionist and Satan (USA). The MSM is blaming Bush. The Republicans will blame the Demarcates and visa versa. The Communists will blame the west. Most will blame the USA or western economies or big business. Christians will be blamed. Race will be blamed. Poverty will be blamed. Just about every virtue will be blamed and made to look like vice.

Islam will be mysteriously left out.

2Peter 2:2
And many will follow their destructive ways, because of whom the way of truth will be blasphemed.

2 بيتر 2:2
وسوف تتبع العديد من الطرق المدمره ، لأن منهم من الحقيقة الطريق سيكون يفتري

Posted by: Im.mad.as.HELL! at December 27, 2007 2:12 PM

It is sad to speak ill of the recently departed, but Benazir was as much a jehadist as any of the jehadists who ultimately killed her. During her term as Prime Minister of Pakistan she was active in leading the jehadists into Kashmir in India resulting in the murder of thousands of Kashmiri Hindus.

I quite remember that from 1989, when following her election as PM the first time, she made inflammatory speeches calling for the mutiliation of Governor Jagmohan. All her psecular Indian fans, who had such hopes in her, had a rude awakening.

Besides that, she was a major sponsor of terrorism as Prime Minister. Under her leadership, Pakistan switched support to the Taliban, and was largely responsible for the Taliban rise to power in Afghanistan. People somehow seem to gloss over that while deluding themselves into thinking that she would have pulled Pakistan away from a Jihad-loving mindset to a more modernizing one, whatever that means.

While I don't like assassinations, I refuse to mourn her death. What we have is one less smooth talking taquiyya artist, whom too many people in the West bought hook, line and sinker just because of her college life in the UK. That's what passes for analysis these days.

Posted by: Infidel Pride at December 27, 2007 3:07 PM

I can't help thinking that our battle with Al Qaeda is like a giant chess board; Al Qaeda has only one trick - blowing stuff up - so that is what they use; but they use this weapon very effectively at key weak spots. Like Hitler, they see the world without the comforting blind spots of conventional thinking; this helped him win a lot of battles (until 1940); however, like Hitler, the basic premises the jihadists work from (lust for power and imposing their will on others) is flawed and unwinable. Ultimately, the reality of the 21st century - technological improvement, globalization, free flow of ideas - is increasingly leaving these guys in the dust.

So, as the earlier poster said, let them blow each other up. The Israeli's have it right - put a wall around 'em, as they slide further backwards.

Posted by: ReligionofPeas at December 27, 2007 3:23 PM

NOTHING, no religion, no political believes, justifies the killing of another person !
This is below all human dignity !

Posted by: lsp at December 27, 2007 4:40 PM

"It's cultural, indicative of the outer tribal areas, completely distinct from Islam."

Yeah, right. Brainwashed Muslim apologist - this absurd taqqiyah won't fly around here.

ISLAM = CULT OF DEATH.

The Truth About Islam - can you handle it?

BTW, what exactly were Bhutto and her husband charged with? In Pakistan, under sharia law, maybe she showed her hair one too many times? Honestly, who could run such a country without having corruption around her? Just to stay alive, she probably had to pay someone protection money. Is that the corruption you're referring to?

Posted by: Suziq at December 27, 2007 4:51 PM

"At least the trolls or semi-trolls here aren't threatening our daughters today. How they will embrace Islam's peace and wear burqas."

Posted by: Aunt Bea

Yes, where IS Naseem?

Posted by: Abscedere at December 27, 2007 5:40 PM

Remembering that Bush pressured Musharraf to lift the emergency, give up the uniform and hold elections, which led to the assasination of Benezir Bhutto, USA should stay out of Pakistan. Musharraf is capable enough to destroy Jihadis, if only Bush would let him.

Posted by: Alert at December 28, 2007 5:31 AM