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The latest casualty on Al-Qaeda's central battlefield
This is even more likely after the murder of Benazir Bhutto. But the military is still talking about educational and employment initiatives, as if they will make the jihad go away. This despite the fact that study after study has shown that jihadists are generally better educated and wealthier than their peers. "US military beefs up Pakistan force," by Bruce Loudon for The Australian (thanks to JE):
US Special Forces are to increase their presence in Pakistan amid assessments that the country is to become the central battlefield for al-Qaida as it is driven from Iraq."Pakistan should be carefully watched because it could prove to be a significant flashpoint in the coming year," US think tank Strategic Forecasting said in an evaluation of al-Qaida's tactics as the Islamist group comes under mounting pressure in Iraq.
With the "rapid spread of Talibanisation" in Pakistan's insurgent northwest, the country would become "especially important if the trend in Iraq continues to go against the jihadis and they are driven from Iraq", the assessment said.
"As the global headquarters for the al-Qaida leadership, Pakistan has long been a significant stronghold on the ideological battlefield. If the trend towards radicalisation continues, the country could become the new centre of gravity for the jihadi movement on the physical battlefield."
The Stratfor assessment coincided with reports from Washington suggesting US Special Forces would expand their presence in Pakistan in the new year.
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According to reports in Pakistan, areas in the North West Frontier Province, the federally administered tribal areas, Baluchistan and Pakistan-controlled Kashmir were earmarked for investment that would boost education and employment in an effort to wean local tribesmen away from their support for the jihadi movement.
The area, seen as crucial in the battle against al-Qaida and the Taliban, was the subject of a summit meeting in Islamabad involving President Pervez Musharraf and his Afghan counterpart, Hamid Karzai.
The two leaders held what sources described as "unusually cordial and friendly" meetings on how to boost co-operation in the war against the jihadis. They agreed to intensify their exchanges of intelligence, something Mr Musharraf described as "the key to fighting and enhancing our capability against terrorists and extremists".
Mr Karzai said: "Afghanistan and Pakistan are twins. More than that, they are joined at the body."
Posted by Robert at December 27, 2007 11:12 AM
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"investment that would boost education and employment"
Actually, the next casualty will be our pocketbooks.
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at December 27, 2007 11:37 AM
Here's hoping they protect their nuclear weapons better than their politicians...
-osgo
Posted by: -osgo- at December 27, 2007 11:40 AM
Islam: destroyer of world's.
The notion that the Muslims (who axiomatically have already succumbed to the hideousness if Islam) will ever "fix" or "repair" or "moderate" the brokenness of Islam is insane. Yet this lie, this insanity is still put forward by our ignorant leadership, and pumped by the lousy "experts" on Islam.
One of the traitorous "former Ambassadors to Saudi Arabia" just appeared on the TV, voice quivering with indignation, saying "the person or persons responsible must be caught". Is he suggesting by any chance his paymasters, the Saudis? For surely the Arabs paid for the madrassa where the jackboots were polished. The Arabs paid for the imam. The Arabs sponsored the mosque where the minions of evil were exhorted to hate, exhorted to murder.
The toilet needs flushing. The stable needs shovelling. The sewer needs emptying. The boil needs lancing. The cancer needs excising. The filth needs cleansing.
Posted by: jsla at December 27, 2007 11:50 AM
If my daughter threatens to join Al Qaeda can she apply for a college scholarship?
Posted by: jewdog at December 27, 2007 11:53 AM
Amazing: Al-quada assasinates Bhutto and the Pakistani people blame Musharraf for it. He is weakened, his government and the country are destabilized and who winds up benefiting from the opposition to her death? Al-Quada.
This could be the beginning of an Iranian-type revolution in Pakistan. Remember the lessons of Iran. Not all those that deposed the military regime of the Shah were Islamists, many were liberals, secular and never intended to replace the Shah with a brutal theocracy but the Islamists were able to completely highjack the opposition.
One MAJOR difference though...Iran did not have nukes!
Posted by: irish_infidel at December 27, 2007 11:53 AM
No No, just a small minority of extremists !!
(For very large values of small, of course.)
Seriously, I feel for the poor of the Land of the Pure (Pakistan is supposedly the land of the pure since it has only Muslims there.)
Posted by: Atanu Dey at December 27, 2007 12:02 PM
I hope and pray that special forces (as well as power-projection forces) are in position to seize/destroy nuclear weapons and components. I realise it's only a band aid-style approach to a much larger problem, but I'd personally prefer the materials didn't arrive on western shores via terrorist delivery.
"Pakistan should be carefully watched because it could prove to become a significant flashpoint in the coming year"
I'm glad the boys at the 'think tank' figured that out.
Just out of curiosity...if Pak (as Naseem says) flips completely and becomes a 100% Islamo-nazi enemy state, won't that fairly well cut off our access to land-locked Afghanistan?
Posted by: livefreeordie! at December 27, 2007 12:06 PM
Mr Karzai said: "Afghanistan and Pakistan are twins. More than that, they are joined at the body."
I heard one of the local radio personalities mention this morning that in spite of Bhutto's defense of women's rights in Pakistan, she was very supportive of the Taliban when they took over Afghanistan because she thought they would help stabilize that country and trade. The radio host, along with some expert, kept talking about what a great ally Pakistan has been to the U.S. in the war on terror. Why am I getting that icky feeling?
Robert, Hugh, all, would you comment please?
Posted by: Isabellathecrusader at December 27, 2007 12:09 PM
"Just out of curiosity...if Pak (as Naseem says) flips completely and becomes a 100% Islamo-nazi enemy state, won't that fairly well cut off our access to land-locked Afghanistan?" --livefreeordie!
All we do is fly over it now anyway.
Posted by: alexon at December 27, 2007 12:11 PM
Yes, let's send US Special Forces to Pakistan, so that we can leave our own country even more vulnerable to attack; there's certainly nothing stopping the jihadis from getting on the next flight here: we won't ask them if they are fundamentalist Muslims, because that would be Islamophobic. We won't block them because they are Pakistani, that would be racist. We have to let them in, to do otherwise would be the equivalent of genocide. So, let's send our troops to Pakistan, and let's fight them over there, so they can fight us over here.
Posted by: special_guest at December 27, 2007 12:12 PM
Sure, let's send our troops, Special Forces, etc over to Pakistan to fight and kill the Islamic crazies - once again, Americans doing the dirty jobs that Pakistanis, Iraqis, etc won't do.
Posted by: HOV Dummy at December 27, 2007 12:19 PM
In November, Bhutto had said discontent was rising and the country resembled a “pressure cooker.”
Pakistan has already been implicated in the spread of nuclear technology. Dr. Abdul Qadeer Khan, described as an “Islamic extremist” and “the father of Pakistan’s nuclear program,” in 2004 admitted that he had sold nuclear technology to a number of foreign countries, including North Korea and Libya.
Former FBI consultant Paul L. Williams wrote that year that evidence found in Afghanistan in 2001 indicated a link between Khan and al-Qaida as well.
The U.S. recently admitted that since the attacks of September 11, 2001, it has been helping Pakistan secure its nuclear weapons and the materials used to make them. Pakistan has welcomed this assistance.
The New York Times reported in November that over the past six years, the Bush administration has spent almost $100 million on a highly classified program to help Musharraf secure his nation’s weapons.
Remember how quickly Iran disolved into an Islamo-Fascist state. Same thing can and probably will happen in Pakistan. If we know where the weapons, and material are maybe it can be secured and removed before the fall.
Posted by: ethoman at December 27, 2007 12:22 PM
Mighty Mouse, here I come to save the day !
Our nation is bankrupt and our militarty is worn down and worn out.
We have the Bear making real threats and the Chinese pondering the best opportuinity to make their move and wer are delusiona in an arrogant sort of way.
And the great empire in decline does not see the handwriting on the wall.
When God is no longer on our side,even special ops is futile,useless ,just as the dollar is becoming.
We forgot Who made us great and really think we're hot stuff.
Boy are we in for what all once great empire's learned on the down hill curve and too late.
at December 27, 2007 12:24 PM
irish_infidel said
Amazing: Al-quada assasinates Bhutto and the Pakistani people blame Musharraf for it.
Yes, jihadis kill Bhutto, and the vast majority of moderate Muslims react by demonstrating against the nominally secular leader and for .... whom? Who can come in and act as a stabilizing force in this tragic time of crisis? In Afghanistan, they turned to the Taliban and Al Qaeda. Maybe Pakistan will be different, and they'll turn to the Association of Baptist Ministers, or Pakistan's Organization for Womens' Rights, or the majority Peace and Tolerance political party. Oh wait, those groups don't exist.
On a different note, I heard the U.S. politicians released their statements on the assassination; not a word about Islam, or the role that Islam plays in motivating violent attacks all around the world, in the entire lot of them. Utterly unacceptable. Tancredo is already missed.
Posted by: special_guest at December 27, 2007 12:36 PM
Wherever you scratch Islam, it always itches the same, a murderous 7th century cult of death and murder.
Mr Karzai said: "Afghanistan and Pakistan are twins. More than that, they are joined at the body."
The ‘twins’ Afghanistan and Pakistan are more like Rosemarie’s baby, co-joined spawns of the devil.
It’s a terrible loss to have a courageous woman assassinated by those Islamo-fascist jihad primitive monkeys.
If we send it special forces to curb the carnage, we had better reassess our ‘religion of peace’ official policy.
Another great human being sacrificed to their monstrously evil mob of Allah.
All those who pontificate about 'corruption' in a land rife with corruption are bloody idiots.
It’s the religion, stupid.
at December 27, 2007 12:39 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsPjb6yL4NM&feature=related
Posted by: ethoman at December 27, 2007 12:40 PM
From the article:
According to reports in Pakistan, areas in the North West Frontier Province, the federally administered tribal areas, Baluchistan and Pakistan-controlled Kashmir were earmarked for investment that would boost education and employment in an effort to wean local tribesmen away from their support for the jihadi movement.
Due to the well-known truth that what the jihadis want is more material prosperity and more ability to study the world using secular scientific principles. If you give money to the jihadis, you can be sure they'll spend it on iPods and microscopes. F***ing brilliant plan.
at December 27, 2007 12:55 PM
Bush is planning a visit to the Middle East next month. Gotta wonder if they (Islamists) aren't studying the "game film" from Pakistan to try and score big on Bush...
Posted by: BunrattyBill at December 27, 2007 1:00 PM
The only surprise here is that it took the Muslims this long to assassinate Benazhir Bhutto. Attractive, charismatic, intelligent, courageous woman seeking to help further democracy in the Middle East, in Pakistan of all places? She might as well have built a bomb herself and sat on it.
God bless her, but this is just the beginning of the Chaos that far too few of us have predicted would come.
The Muslim world should be quelled at any cost. The primary concern for the West right now is maintaining security on those nuclear weapons in Pakistan. If this means invading Pakistan with international forces should Musharaff fall next, then so be it.
Personally, I do not want to see the Omega Man become a reality.
Happy Holidays?
Posted by: Foehammer at December 27, 2007 1:05 PM
Oh, yes, one more thing...notice how the Turks launched attacks on the Kurds on Christmas? How this assassination comes during the following days? Where is the "respect" from the Muslim world for Christian/Jewish holiday seasons? It doesn't exist.
Oh, but walk into one Mosque with a Marine and it's jihad time! 365 days a year.
Give me a freaking break already.
Despicable doesn't even begin to describe the Muslims.
Posted by: Foehammer at December 27, 2007 1:07 PM
BunrattyBill...
That would be my guess. A golden opportunity does not present itself like his very often. If Hamas or some other group does not give offing Bush a try, I will be surprised....
Posted by: duh_swami at December 27, 2007 1:07 PM
Why won't Muslims admit that 25% of their religion is filled with bloodlusting wicked people bent on enslaving (the other 75% of Muslims and all non-Muslims) humanity to their version of Islam.
Dear friendly Muslims, unless you fight against this evil in your religion like Bhutto did, non-Muslims like me must conclude that you support them.
My thesis is that Islam functions as a perpetual insurgency, where the radicals use the peaceable elements in Islam to launch offensive battles. When the non-Muslims retaliate, the peaceable Muslims claim to be abused, but in reality, the peaceable Muslims are just the human shields used by the violent ones.
Non-Violent Muslims! Are you really a safe-house for your violent co-religionists? If so, then you are as guilt as the ones who bomb non-Muslims. Why don't you root them out, if they are not real Muslims?
Posted by: James Martel at December 27, 2007 1:10 PM
I am attempting to post a link to today's Jerusalem Post and an article about how Afghanistan has kicked out both an EU and UN representatives for dealing with the Taliban? Very interesting.
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?ci
d=1198517224347&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
at December 27, 2007 1:11 PM
"But the military is still talking about educational and employment initiatives, as if they will make the jihad go away. This despite the fact that study after study has shown that jihadists are generally better educated and wealthier than their peers."
We live in the Land of Make-Believe, Robert.
I just listened to Fred Thompson spewing the same tired rhetoric about "radical Islam" and "democracy in the Middle East."
Our government, all Western governments are so out of touch with the facts that it's as if we are on a precipice staring down at pointy rocks below.
God help us, we have no true leadership anywhere to be seen, and I'm so tired that I myself no longer want to be bothered with much of it.
Posted by: Foehammer
at December 27, 2007 1:12 PM
Now's the time for the muslim world to rise up, condemn the violence throughout the Islamic world, and for it to acknowledge the fact that their "religion" needs some major reform....buwahahahaha then I woke up.
Posted by: Stinkyinfidel at December 27, 2007 1:12 PM
From Aunt Bea's post: http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1198517224347&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
But the diplomats' expulsion will make some Western nations and international organizations wary of making their own overtures to the militants in an effort to end the insurgency, which has left over 6,300 people - mostly militants - dead this year alone.
Enough talk. When special forces get their marching orders, they know what to do.
at December 27, 2007 1:26 PM
I now reduce my prediction even further: Musharraf has 2 years or less before he is out of Pakistan one way or another.
Posted by: Foehammer at December 27, 2007 1:30 PM
Assalamau Laikum all,
What a predictable tragedy... I am stunned....truly a turning point for the Islamic state of Pakistan. She knew it was a risk...and in Pak who does someone like Benzir trust?
She was nieve...throwing caution to the wind...and hence throwing her life away.
I think that the "experiment" for democracy in Pak is now over.
She will be by Allah's SWT side where she will be chided for being careless and not extolling virtues of Sharia while alive.
Still all living breaths are taken with Allah's SWT permission, she was treading on thin ice.
The elections now are meaningless...forget about them. PPP was going to get 30% of the vote...but what's the point.
Pak will now share the glories of Islam which its neighbour Afghanistan is well on it's way to experience. While the Amerike may send troops ...they will only speed up Pakistan's future....sharia.
at December 27, 2007 1:31 PM
Benazir Bhutto was murdered because she was a Shia. This is yet another proof that the Sunnis are uncivilizable animals.
Posted by: Zainab at December 27, 2007 1:31 PM
The world would be a better place without any country with "istan" in the name.
true or false?
Posted by: Stinkyinfidel at December 27, 2007 1:35 PM
Sending in the special forces is ok IF they are given a clear objective and the rules of engagement don't tie their hands. Other wise, keep them out, send in the Air force with a clear objective of destroying the nukes, don't worry about "collateral Damage" and save American lives.
Posted by: walterc at December 27, 2007 1:43 PM
Hi Naseem, so much for my hope that someone smart shut down the internet in Pakistan.
Just a word about what the politicians and diplomats say.
It's called diplo-speak.
Democracy in the ME doesn't mean what we think of as democracy in the civilized world. It means Not Sharia or Not Totalitarian.
at December 27, 2007 1:45 PM
Foehammer,
Two years? You're being generous to Musharraf. I'd guess he has about 30 days remaining in office (which is probably the same as how long he'll live).
Hope it doesn't happen- afraid it will.
at December 27, 2007 1:46 PM
See how Islam resolves disputes, and political differences. So we in the west hang our hats on "moderate Muslims" to win the argument for us. Well this didn't happen over night. It really is a failure of our government to understand the nature of this enemy ... a failure to understand its texts.
Posted by: ethoman at December 27, 2007 1:50 PM
Yep...That Allah (swt) really is fickled. Loves you one minute, and hates you the next.
You better get out of town Naseem, find some Christians who will protect you, or maybe some Jews would put you up for a year of so...
Posted by: duh_swami at December 27, 2007 1:53 PM
Whenever I think of education being provided by us to Islamic countries, I think of Anwar Sadat of Egypt.
Before he was assassinated, he told the US Military that they should not send him any more ground to air missiles.
That what he needed for his troops was ground to airplane missiles.
The only education that will be of any help would be de-programming. Out of Islam.
Posted by: Aunt Bea at December 27, 2007 1:57 PM
Naseem,
I knew you were in here trolling about...
What exactly are the "glories of islam"? Illiteracy? Intolerance? Poverty? Starvation? Disease? Savagery? Murder? Mutilation? Slavery?
If I look closely at the countries where islam holds sway, I don't see anyting glorious about it. Sudan; Somalia; Iran; Iraq; Afghanistan; your beloved Pak- are hellholes on earth. I can't imagine why any thinking person would want anything at all to do with islam or live in any islamic-ruled nation. You have little or no industry; your agriculture is so poor you can't feed yourselves; how many moslem countries even have a stable electrical grid or running water? Are these some more of islam's glories?
The only thing you people produce in abudance is hatred of mankind.
Wake up!! Wake up and look around at the life you're embracing. Is this what you truly want? Is this what you find appealling and beautiful? Is this really how you'd like to see the whole world become? If it is, keep on the way you're travelling. You'll find yourself either a slave or dead soon enough.
Hope came for the world Naseem. A lot of us have embraced that hope and the everlasting life that came with it. We are truly free. The same hope, life, and freedom waits for you.
at December 27, 2007 2:04 PM
In that case we need some airplane to radical misunderstander missles.
Posted by: Stinkyinfidel at December 27, 2007 2:04 PM
Don't worry stinky, there are some Joooz working on it.
Posted by: Aunt Bea at December 27, 2007 2:12 PM
According to reports in Pakistan, areas in the North West Frontier Province, the federally administered tribal areas, Baluchistan and Pakistan-controlled Kashmir were earmarked for investment that would boost education and employment in an effort to wean local tribesmen away from their support for the jihadi movement.
A better idea would be to rip up the money and flush it down the toilet. Giving it to this lot is a bloody big waste of time. We the Brits have fought three Wars against the Afghans 1842 ,1876 and 1919 we didn't come out smelling of roses on any of those occasions. These wars didn't change a thing. They just cost lives and money. The Waziris and the Balutchees might have a different name but they are cut from the same roll of cloth, they also live in the same environment impenetrable hills. Pig ignorgant and thinking that they are the greatest thing since the invention of sliced bread. No commander in his right mind goes to war against people living in mountainous country, it is why the Germans never went to war against Switzerland, one machine gun at the top of a pass and you are buggered. The cheapest and best way to handle these moon loons is to pen them in and if they cause any trouble bomb the nearest village. When it starts to cost them money they prick up there ears, and pay attention. Unless you do that all the rest that you do is the equivalent of pissing into the wind all you will get for you trouble is that you will get wet and stink. The problem here is not the tribesmen, it's keeping the bomb out of the tribesmen's hands, and if the desk wallah's in foggy Bottom think that they can do it this way they are well and truly mistaken. The real victim will be the P.B.A.T.P. (poor bloody American tax payer), who will end up paying the bill for this piece of pretentious crap. Phone and complain to your congress man, well at least the ones you know for certain are not in the pay of the Saudi's.
Posted by: Holger Dansker at December 27, 2007 2:20 PM
No good can ever come out an Islamic society. And there's no hope that it ever will. A system built on an evil religious ideology can only bear rotten fruit.
The only way to minimize the damage a Muslim society can do to itself, and to others, is when it is governed by a secular tyrant willing to kill at the slightest threat to his power. Saddam Hussein was such a man. He was a monster, but was he anymore monsterous than the Taliban in Afghanistan? When a society can't act civilized without a monster at the helm, maybe it deserves a monster.
What Pakistan needs is a monster, someone who will fire up the paper shreaders, and fuel it with the Imams and Mullahs. The alternative would be no better, and would be a far greater danger to us and the rest of the world.
Posted by: rational at December 27, 2007 2:24 PM
"No good can ever come out an Islamic society."
I think Mr. Aquavelvajad would disagree with this statement.
Posted by: Stinkyinfidel at December 27, 2007 2:42 PM
Naseem,
If I can give you any bit of advice to you is this: Get the heck out of Pakistian because that country is a powder keg ready to explode into possible civil unrest or war. This should go for you and your family as well. It would not suprise me if President Mussarif will be the next to be taken out. The radicals are looking to try to do to Pakistian what they failed to do in Afganistan, have a Taliban-like government. Just simply pack up and LEAVE if you want to save your skin.
Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at December 27, 2007 4:08 PM
No more money down ANY Muslim rat-hole!
Instead, concentrate on helping India, Thailand, Philippines to build a strong civil society and to defend themselves against the Jihad; same deal in Africa with Kenya, Tanzania, and Ethiopia; also Ghana.
These countries have their problems - mostly associated with large rebellious and dangerous Muslim minorities, besides the usual corruption etc - but they have enormous potential and they are, at present, still a whole lot better place for any human to live, than the Muslim hell-holes.
Intelligent consultation with Singapore wouldn't hurt, either. The Singaporeans are stuck between two rapidly Islamising societies - Malaysia and Indonesia - and I think they would appreciate some comprehension of this predicament.
Everywhere along the borders of dar al Islam it makes sense for all Infidels to assist NON-MUSLIM peoples and regimes on the frontline.
Posted by: dumbledoresarmy at December 27, 2007 4:11 PM
Apparently, Ms. Bhutto believed that no 'true' muslim would kill (a woman) her, because it says not to in the koran........
Since when do the violent raging murder-men care a damn about what the koran says?
Posted by: n.a. palm at December 27, 2007 4:18 PM
@Naseem
Pak will now share the glories of Islam which its neighbour Afghanistan is well on it's way to experience. While the Amerike may send troops ...they will only speed up Pakistan's future....sharia.
Your double speak rhetoric clearly shows what a taq'ia you are.
What a predictable tragedy...
so you have personal knowledge of the killers?
I am stunned....
No you weren't!
truly a turning point for the Islamic state of Pakistan.
The operative word is 'Islamic'.
She knew it was a risk...and in Pak who does someone like Benzir trust?
In a democracy opponents are not killed. In and Islamic Pak they are . . .
She was nieve...throwing caution to the wind...and hence throwing her life away.
She was a Pak politician get what you deserve.
I think that the "experiment" for democracy in Pak is now over.
It was never been started so how could it be over?
Here is a better future. Undo what happened in 1947. Reunite what was once India territory and propose and pass a UN resolution that outlaws Islam in the world. Cut off all aid, trade and contact with any nation that supports the spread of Islam. Promise all nations as a spoil of war right to all resources (oil) that fight on the side to put down and forever destroy Islam and all it stands for. Create colonies that will brutally administer law and re-educated the lost souls of the error of allah.
Isiah 40:3-4
A voice is calling, "Clear the way for the LORD in the wilderness; Make smooth in the desert a highway for our God. Let every valley be lifted up, And every mountain and hill be made low; And let the rough ground become a plain, And the rugged terrain a broad valley;"
آشعيا 40:3-4
صوت يدعو الى "تمهيد الطريق للرب في البرية ؛ جعل سلاسه في الصحراء سريع لدينا الله. اسمحوا كل الوادي حتى يمكن رفع ، وكل جبال وتلال يكون منخفض ؛ واسمحوا الخام تصبح الارض سهل ، والتضاريس الوعره واسع الوادي ؛
at December 27, 2007 4:39 PM
'Naseem' said
Pak will now share the glories of Islam which its neighbour Afghanistan is well on it's way to experience. While the Amerike may send troops ...they will only speed up Pakistan's future....sharia.
Exactly! Isn't it wonderful? Time to hand out candy to the children. Victory is at hand! Praise be to Allah for another successful attack, another successful murder!
I don't know if any of the people who write as "Naseem" actually have any relatives in Pakistan, but I think the joke is going to get even less funny in the near future.
Posted by: special_guest at December 27, 2007 6:11 PM
Yeah listen to Naseem's insane fiddling on her roof, while her Ummah burns. Totally friggin insane .... like her death cult.
Posted by: ethoman at December 27, 2007 6:50 PM
ethoman...
yes. With a true sharia state the Ahmadi will be treated even more as subhumans by their fellow muslims. Under a taliban style regime it will get extremely ugly for her. On the one hand Naseem nust know this at the same time she can't wait for the extra sharia. Atleast in this context she is acting insane.
Posted by: ausinfidel at December 27, 2007 7:29 PM
"She was nieve...throwing caution to the wind...and hence throwing her life away."
Naseem,
In other word, she threw her own life away. No one took it.
Pure Muslim reasoning.
She was the culprit for failing to fully understand the dangers of the Islamic jungle she was operating in.
Al Qaeda didn't murder Bhutto, Musharraf didn't murder Bhutto, the Jihadists didn't murder Bhutto. Islam murdered the woman! Period.
Posted by: rational at December 27, 2007 8:35 PM
Another thought-provoking post...thanks Robert.
What is the "war on terror", how does it relate to Islam, and can the WOT succeed in Pakistan?
When you do an online search for a widely accepted definition of terrorism, you find that there is no concensus.
The definition for a practitioner of terror can range from an outlaw to a freedom fighter.
George W. Bush, Hamid Karzai, and Musharraf foolishly attempt to create policy based upon their own limited definitions of terror and extremism, without publicly considering the elements of Islam that propel the violence.
I don't think our Western definition of religion applies to Islam either, and this is key in our failure to identify our opponents.
We are not fighting a war on "terror", and we must redefine our policy to directly name the radical Islamic enemy.
To the fearful, naming a religion as an enemy is anathema, so our task is to reclassify the ideology that is violent Islam as unreligious.
If our leaders would follow suit, we could confront the Islamic fundamental ideology the way it needs to be challenged.
After many American deaths in six years of a splintered war against an unamed enemy, the worldwide Islam-inspired violence increases daily.
The cowardly ways of our leaders can only lead to our defeat, and freedom will retreat worldwide.
Historically, violent jihad ceases when overwhelming military force is applied.
We need a commander in chief who understands this and will act accordingly.
at December 27, 2007 8:54 PM
Let's all pray that the tragic murder of Bhutto will further "shake up" the Islamic world for the better. It could, couldn't it?
Posted by: timothy222222 at December 27, 2007 11:56 PM
Rocketman
You don't need Rocket Science to work out U.S
troops are badly overstretched on the ground as
a Third Front [Pakistan] opens up-our Jihadi friends have already noticed & are crowing about it. Thanks to Cowboy Bush & his team & Tony Baloney who had a dream he was Napoleon-West is
being dragged into ever deeper and more treacherous quicksands that can swallow up billions of dollars also soldiers & their expensive equipment in a twinkling...
Even the most powerful Empire eventually runs out
of cash & conscripts-looks like America is next on the list after demise of Soviets. Gotta hand it to Georgie Boy, he can hum the Sinatra song
with confidence-"AND I DID IT MY WAY!"
at December 28, 2007 3:24 AM
Sure, let's send our troops, Special Forces, etc over to Pakistan to fight and kill the Islamic crazies - once again, Americans doing the dirty jobs that Pakistanis, Iraqis, etc won't do
Maybe it's because said Pakistanis, Iraqis, etc don't see any dirt to clean up. Be they crazies or not, they're all simply brethren in the faith....one ummah swirling together in the fatalistic will of Allah.
Posted by: yadayada at December 28, 2007 2:33 PM
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