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Infiltration. "Muslim pressure," by Bill Gertz in the Washington Times (scroll down):
Pro-Muslim officials at the Pentagon are putting political pressure on one of the U.S. military's most important specialists on Islamist extremism, according to defense officials.Stephen Coughlin, a specialist on Islamic law on the Joint Staff, met recently with Hasham Islam, Deputy Defense Secretary Gordon R. England's close aide. The officials said Mr. Islam, a Muslim who is leading efforts for the Defense Department's outreach to Muslim groups, sought to convince Mr. Coughlin to take a softer line on Islam and Islamic law elements that promote extremism.
There is also evidence that a whispering campaign is under way to try and discredit Mr. Coughlin as a "Christian extremist with a pen" and force him out of the building, according to the officials.
Mr. Coughlin came under fire from pro-Muslim officials after a memorandum he wrote identified several groups that are being courted by Mr. Islam's community outreach program as front organizations for the pro-extremist Muslim Brotherhood.
Mr. Coughlin based the memorandum on documents released as evidence in a federal terrorism trial that he stated "are beginning to define the structure and outline of domestic jihad threat entities, associated nongovernmental organizations and potential terrorist or insurgent support systems."
Mr. Coughlin noted that the documents identified one of the Muslim Brotherhood front groups as the Islamic Society of North America, whose leaders were hosted by Mr. England in April at the Pentagon, raising concerns that the deputy defense secretary does not understand clearly the nature of the Islamist threat he is working against as the No. 2 official.
Mr. England has been a leading advocate of what critics in the Pentagon say is a misguided attempt to reach out to the wrong Muslims, regardless of their views, in an effort to counter Muslim extremism.
That approach has kept military and civilian officials from conducting much-needed assessments of how Muslim extremists are waging war because doing so would involving analysis of Muslim religious tenets, a politically taboo subject area.
Aye, there's the rub.
Posted by Robert at December 28, 2007 2:33 PM
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at December 28, 2007 2:50 PM
The enemy within the government working to curb spokesmen and analysis that would find the Truth in dealing with the threat of radical Islam. If only our ancestors were so stupid, Hitler and his henchmen would have controlled the world.
Posted by: Briars at December 28, 2007 2:50 PM
Please tell me this is the scrip for an episode of the Simpsons.
And that our deputy Defense Secretary doesn't have a close aid that is a Muslim.
Tell me that there is not really such a thing as a Christian extremist with a pen.
This is the Pentagon into which the terrorists flew a plane?
That this kind of crap is so obvious that it would get printed in a newspaper is mind blowing also.
Hollywood couldn't write this stuff.
Toto quit your barkin' we're not in Kansas anymore.
at December 28, 2007 2:51 PM
We don't want to examine Muslim religious tenets, because that would be impolite. Hear no Islam, speak no Islam, see no Islam. That's how we've got this incredibly inept policy.
How did that song go: "Reach out in the darkness..".
at December 28, 2007 2:56 PM
"take a softer line on Islam and Islamic law elements that promote extremism."
Sure. Just as soon as the "extremists" agree to detonate confetti bombs only.
at December 28, 2007 2:59 PM
Frightening! This should be an issue, certainly among Republicans, in the Presidential contests.
Has NO ONE stepped forward among the ranks of the candidates, their staffs and advisors, to aknowledge and to challenge this domestic subversion by the Ikwan and its fronts? WHY? My support is conditional on THIS!
Posted by: John C at December 28, 2007 3:00 PM
The CIC himself defines islam as a "religion of peace."
Posted by: MP at December 28, 2007 3:13 PM
To those now in the Pentagon:
Remember your oaths--on your sacred honor--to protect the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic. First and foremost, in the current situation, that means always telling the unvarnished truth about Islam, the immutable fascist ideology that seeks to supplant our Constitution with vicious Islamic theological law. Duty and integrity require that any political pressure to participate in, or to mask, The Big Muslim Lie must be stiffly resisted.
Posted by: Stendec at December 28, 2007 3:15 PM
Stephen Coughlin is one of the keenest analysts of Islam working for the American government, possibly the very best inside the Pentagon. If he is pushed out, if he is subject to any campaign by Muslims and their non-Muslim collaborators and puppets, that will be, or should be, a matter for alarm as great as any raised about the infiltration by Soviet agents during the Cold War. Because such people are not working for an identifiable state does not mean that they are not working for a cause -- and the cause in this case is to neutralize all those who understand the meaning, and menace, of Jihad, and its varied instruments. And one of those instruments is the fog machine designed to confuse and distract Infidels, and to keep them from seeing clearly the nature of an ideology, its imperviousness to change, and the ways in which, even under the surface of the so-called "moderates" -- the claims on the loyalty of adherents of that Total Belief-System remain. Everyone, anyone, who is out to get Coughlin is working against the interests of the legal and political institutions of this country, and should be investigated by Congress (one is no longer sure about the C.I.A. and the F.B.I. and the levels of incomprehension there). This is more than a scandal. This terrifies.
Posted by: Hugh at December 28, 2007 3:58 PM
Examination of Islam is indeed a disconcerting endeavor if the analysis is being conducted in regards to integration, and domestic Jihad. This whole article illustrates the early stage of the game we are in. The broader domestic social implications are truely horrific if understood through Islamic tenents. If you are in the pentagon you would naturally look into the Islamic community for informants, and potential allies. Not too sure what to make of this article other than it illustrates the infancy of the strugle we are in. If you look at it developmentally in regards to our understanding ... officially at least. "Kept military and civilian officials from conducting much-needed assessments of how Muslim extremists are waging war because doing so would involving analysis of Muslim religious tenets, a politically taboo subject area.", but this is truely shocking and beyond belief ... we certainly do have our work cut out for us don't we.
at December 28, 2007 4:10 PM
This is so depressing....at first I had to stop reading this article, zipped over to LGF and it's there, too. I hope every conservative talk show host/blogger gets ahold of this story and chews it to death. If you take all these little bits and pieces of info here and there, put it all together, you can SEE the seeds of our destruction being sown right before your eyes. The treason is palpable.
Try to tell anyone about outside of a small circle of informed friends, and people think you've been in the crazy pills again or it's "Here comes Debbie Downer" making me think about something other than the latest Spears girl antic.
To John C:
The candidate that DID talk about this unfortunately dropped out of the race and got absolutely no air time other than Border Security issues or to paint him as a fear-mongering racist....2005 (?) American Anti-Dhimmi of the Year, Tom Tancredo. His book, In Mortal Danger, nails it. Another candidate has a muslim higher up than the one in the pentagon. Good ol' Hillary's #1 assistant is a muslim. Let's put her in the White House and get this all over with.....
at December 28, 2007 4:11 PM
i agree with everyone above, but perhaps if Coughlin is pushed out then he will have more freedom to alert the public, rather than fighting a lost battle within the corridors of power ?
as MP reminds us, the CIC himself defines islam as a "religion of peace" so, as far as this fight is concerned, what you have in the US is a dead administration walking, as we do in the UK. They refuse to identify the problem, and so the problem just goes on getting worse.
at December 28, 2007 4:13 PM
"Hasham Islam, Deputy Defense Secretary Gordon R. England's close aide."
These officials -- England is not the only one -- can't accept, they can't admit, that the problem might be one that requires them to look deeply into Qur'an, Hadith, and Sira, to be wary of those who present themselves, a bit too easily I'm afraid, as "moderate Muslims." What does Gordon England know about the doctrine of Jihad? Anything? Nothing? What does he think the goal of Jihad is? Does he realize it is a duty for Muslims to participate in the "struggle" or Jihad to spread Islam, and to insure that it everywhere dominates, a "struggle" of which terrorism is only one instrument (and hardly the most effective).
Why doesn't Gordon England sit down and talk to Wafa Sultan, to Ibn Warraq, to Ayaan Hirsi Ali, to Ali Sina, to a dozen other defectors from Islam, to find out just a bit more about it. Why doesn't he read "The Myth of Islamic Tolerance" and other books by Spencer, and possibly read what has already appeared here in the "Blogging the Qur'an series." Why doesn't he read "The Dhimmi" and "Islam and Dhimmitude" and "The Legacy of Jihad" and stop reading, if he has been reading, the sinister apologetics of John Esposito and others who, apparently, are still "briefing" Pentagon generals on the nature of Islam.
This fantastic situation cannot be allowed to continue. If Coughlin is undiplomatic, is outspoken, that is just too bad. One cannot be too undiplomatic in such circumstances. The more these things come to light, the more one finds one rubbing one's eyes in disbelief at the nearly-terminal ignorance and naivete of government officials, the same ones who have tossed Pakistan nearly $30 billion since 2001 alone (the misleading figure of $10 billion often cited excluses debt forgiveness and all kinds of other financial favors), $60 billion to the malevolent Mubarak Friends-and-Family regime, and the trillion dollars being spent on the fools' errand of Iraq, bringing "freedom" to "ordinary moms and dads in the Middle East."
There has to be an outcry. This can't go on. Presidential candidates should be speaking out about this. If anyone should be fired, it should be someone who thinks that in 2007 it makes perfect sense, that there is nothing to raise an eyebrow about, to have working deep inside the Pentagon, as an aide to the Deputy Secretary of Defense, one Hasham Islam. Unless that person is a defector from Islam and not a Believer, he should not be working in the Pentagon, where the opportunities are many, for exploiting the ignorant and inveigling the credulous, among our supposedly "tough-minded realists" in or out of uniform who, if they have not studied Islam, cannot possibly be anything of the sort.
Posted by: Hugh at December 28, 2007 4:17 PM
correction to what i said above, now that i see that No_Mooselimbs slipped in ahead of me. i am not going to agree about targeting Mecca as a deterrent.
i have several reasons for saying this, but briefly:
a deterrent only works for reasonably rational minds.
for Iran, it might even be an incentive.
at December 28, 2007 4:26 PM
If Mr. Coughlin gets forced out, it'll be a very bad sign indeed. There's a dangerous lack of such people in high places as it is.
Can any of you guys tell me something: Did the war department have a "Nazi outreach propram" or a "Imperial Japanese outreach program"? I'm big-time into WW2 history, and I can't seem to find any reference to such programs. Personally, my idea of reaching out to the enemy parallels those 'programs' that brought World War 2 to a definite end.
at December 28, 2007 4:30 PM
Honestly if everything we believe is true then no cover-up, or PC culture of corruption will hide it and those affiliated with this will be exposed. We do get the government we deserve. All the information is out there if you look. When this blows up we the people will have nobody but ourselves to blame, but all the same the lynch mob will look for its sacrafices.
Posted by: ethoman at December 28, 2007 4:35 PM
So we've managed to calm most of the Sunnis in Anbar Province, but al-Ikhwan has a mole with the highest possible security clearance. And I'm supposed to think we're winning?
This is what happens when you declare war on a means rather than an enemy.
Posted by: Beagle at December 28, 2007 4:41 PM
Hugh is correct. If Mr. Coughlin gets sacked, the Defense Department will lose its finest Islamic analyst. This man gets it.
Is it too early to start considering nominees for next year’s American Dhimmi of the year award? If not, I nominate Deputy Defense Secretary Gordon R. England.
Also, since he is in the Defense Department, I recommend that we introduce Secretary England to an old Navy punishment, keelhauling.
at December 28, 2007 5:02 PM
...Muslims really do hate it when the Infidels know the truth about Islam....
Posted by: exsgtbrown at December 28, 2007 5:12 PM
Just read this article regarding Gordon Englands desire to end the F-22 line of aircraft, which is said to be the greatest warcraft in the world.
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=B0AB81FA-0076-48CF-9670-2B733AC6152E
Posted by: Sneakyzionistcrusader at December 28, 2007 5:19 PM
And one of those instruments is the fog machine designed to confuse and distract Infidels, and to keep them from seeing clearly the nature of an ideology
Hugh, why is it that we can't seem to get people to see it? Is it simply that we lack the sort of pithy phrase like we had with "godless Communism" or is it something deeper? I think so many people are in a fog of their own creation that the one the Muslims create is scarcely necessary at this point.
The more pessimistic Western philosophers and political theorists, a la Nietzsche, have always said that man wants a master. Is it that Western man wants a master, now that he's found out just how difficult self-rule is? Having discredited and deconstructed all the potential inheritors of the throne among his own people, is Western man now looking East and finding the Oriental despot to his liking? Anything to get away from the responsibility of making his own decisions? The less responsibility the better!! And what system asks for less individual responsibility than Islam? Just follow the rules and then let Allah sort out the final details.
I hate to be the bearer of "bad news" to l'infidel moyen sensual, but if he doesn't wake up soon, he's going to find himself watching the radioactive smoke waft from a crater where a major US city used to be, a stock market down 50% in one day (bye, bye retirement fund!!) and a bunch of Muslims cackling with glee around the world.
Posted by: venividivici at December 28, 2007 5:25 PM
and who would trust a guy named Hasham Islam to further US interests at the expense of ISLAM ? Some #2..imagine all of the other #2s, 3's,4s etc... running around in in the DoD or the State Dept., the CIA, FBI, Homeland Security (giving grants to muslim brotherhood spawn groups just like Gordon Englands #2 is doing too ! )
Although it's a shame though not surprising that Coughlin is being targeted for character assassination, it is nice to know the US does have someone that has a good sense of Islam or at least Islamic warfare. How much does he know? Does he identify Islam itself as the threat? If so, I'm surprised he's lasted this long before the left/Islamic axis puts him in their crosshairs.
Posted by: Sneakyzionistcrusader at December 28, 2007 5:28 PM
...Muslims really do hate it when the Infidels know the truth about Islam....Sgt Brown.
You are right on target, however, I would like to share the thoughts I had immediately following Bhuttos death.
Following your line of reasoning...knowing the truth about islam...needs to be hammered home. The 9/11 terrorist attacks were not terrorist attacks; they were NORMAL MUSLIM BEHAVIOR. The man who recently killed his headscarf-less daughter...that was not an 'honor killing' but an Islamic Teaching moment.
What I mean to say is: it is time to stop differentiating betweeen this muslim and that muslim. All muslims read and believe in the same texts, otherwise they would not be muslim. To bring America to its senses, I believe, muslim horrors should be described as commonplace an usual fare. By doing this, the mind is magically unlocked, and hopefully an epiphany happens. Suddenly one realizes that ISLAM IS THE PROBLEM, not disgruntled people here or there.
This alternative vector will really piss muslims off. Could it be that they actually like being called terrorists to distract from the whole aweful truth? When people realize that "normal" muslims who follow the letter of the Koran are psychotic killers, only then will the appropriate steps be taken.
I've also learned to keep it simple. Muslims killed an unarmed woman yesterday, just like the flight attendants on those 9/11 flights. Our armed forces are now "blooded" and highly experienced at engaging muslims in an urban or mountainous environment. Our air forces are equally skilled and battle experienced. When these folks relay their training to newer soldiers, our military will be even better!
Oh, and ban all muslim immigration...
Posted by: AmericanTiger at December 28, 2007 5:35 PM
How about this for some muslim outreach.
Posted by: ethoman at December 28, 2007 5:42 PM
"Mr. Islam, a Muslim who is leading efforts for the Defense Department's outreach to Muslim groups"
We don't need anyone in the Defense Department leading outreach to Muslim groups, we need someone to lead the charge against these groups.
Hasham Islam has no business working in our defense establishment, and, frankly, Deputy Defense Secretary Gordon R. England doesn't belong there either.
I hope some enterprising reporter investigates just what kind of perks Hasham Islam and other Muslims are provided in the defense department. I'll bet foot baths are only the tip of the iceberg.
at December 28, 2007 5:48 PM
rational,
I'd love to think that there are enterprising journalists out there ready to expose this, but most of them are at least as clueless as anyone at the Pentagon. It's hard to run a counter-jihad when you don't understand the jihad to begin with.
What started out as a tough and decisive War on Terror meant to annihilate all sponsors of state terror has degenerated into pandering, appeasement and a glorified welfare program for failed Islamic states, much of it misdirected by Caligula's horse, Condi Rice.
at December 28, 2007 6:11 PM
"What started out as a tough and decisive War on Terror meant to annihilate all sponsors of state terror has degenerated into pandering, appeasement and a glorified welfare program for failed Islamic states, much of it misdirected by Caligula's horse, Condi Rice."
Tell me about it. Whatever happened to "You are either with us or against us"
at December 28, 2007 6:29 PM
I hope that all US citizens will contact their US Senators and congressional representative about this issue. Contacting the Senate and Congressional committees dealing with the defense department is imperative as is notifying Rep. Sue Myrick's anti-terrorism committee.
The safety of our nation depends upon accurately defining the enemy regardless of political correctness.
Though it doesn't spell it out, I'm guessing the federal terrorism trial referenced was the Holy Land Foundation trial.
Posted by: eve_anne_gelical at December 28, 2007 6:41 PM
These brilliant morons who think we need to 'take a softer line on Islamd and Sharia Law' need to spend a few months on the front lines in Iraq. Spineless bureacrats who just want to feel one with Islam should leave the country and live amongst the moon worshippers and their insane, inhumane laws. Otherwise, get the Sam Hill out of the Pentagon and let the real men fight our enemies.
As a kid growing up, I knew the world was a better place because young men went to Europe and the Pacific to fight against a declared enemy of freedom and democracy. The institutions that they created and the civil harmony which ensued was a result of their self-sacrifice for their fellow Americans and the civilized world. Now, we have a whole new generation of bureacrats who don't want to to fight for anything and are willing to accept any claptrap in order to perpetuate peace. Totally gutless and so riddled with guilt about any presumed superiority of Judeo-Christian and Western Civilization, these lemmings insist we all follow them off the same precipice smiling in unison at our collective stupidity.
There is nothing civil about Islam or Sharia Law. And, if bureacrats like Mr. England can't tolerate the ugly truth about Islam and Mr. Coughlin's integrity in exposing the facts, then he needs to reconsider which side he's on. Islam has nothing to offer America that it hasn't already imposed upon every stinkhole in the third world at the end of a gun or dagger.
Posted by: BurkasforHitlery at December 28, 2007 6:48 PM
An interview with Rep. Myrick in Investor's Business Daily is very instructive. In it, she names the ISNA as a muslim brotherhood front. Why is Coughlin naming names causing trouble? Another dept of the government, the Justice Dept, is the one who compiled the info that was released as part of the Holy Land Foundation trial.
Also, note that you can contact Rep. Myrick from this site even if you aren't a resident of her congressional district.
Posted by: eve_anne_gelical at December 28, 2007 6:56 PM
What on earth could being concerned about the MB's use of organizations have to do with being a "Christian extremist with a pen" ?
I could be an atheist and be concerned about it, actually, should be more so as such.
This is a key topic. Best of luck to all on the right side of the issue.
Posted by: Goob at December 28, 2007 6:57 PM
On my New Year's To Do List, I MUST PERSONALLY CONTACT MY CONGRESSMAN, who I am certain to be sympathetic, about "Political Islamist," i.e., Ikwanist--Muslim Brotherhood--presence and influence, infiltration--ditto Salafist/Wahabist, here in America, our institutions, OUR GOVERNMENT. I wish to do the same, directly and indirectly, with the [present top five] Republican presidential candidates.
Posted by: John C at December 28, 2007 7:01 PM
Representative Sue Myrick--that's whose name I tried to remember! She leads, I believe the Anti-Jihad Caucus in the U.S. Congress, and I would not be surprised if my own [war-hawk] congressman (Thaddeus McCotter-R, MI) isn't a member (I would be surprised if he wasn't--he certainly should be).
Posted by: John C at December 28, 2007 7:08 PM
Where is Senator Joe McCarthy when we need him?
If I understand this mystical term "moderate Muslim", Bhutto was one and Muhammad was not.
Posted by: justask at December 28, 2007 7:16 PM
If Close aid Hasham Islam, and Deputy Defense Secretary Gordon England are doing anything to suppress information gathering in the pentagon they should be removed and investigated immediatley. There also needs to be a complete up and down investigation into Muslims working in the pentagon.
Posted by: Mackie at December 28, 2007 7:45 PM
Yeah, those tenets of Islam no one dares to look at. The taboo subject which seems to scare everyone s#*tless.
But there's no way around it. Like here:
* Bukhari: Allah’s Apostle said, “I have been victorious with terror!”
* Koran: “I shall terrorize the infidels. So wound their bodies and incapacitate them!”
Tabari: The battle cry was: “Kill! Kill! Kill!”
* Koran: “Wipe the infidels out to the last.“
* Koran: “Fight and kill disbelievers wherever you find them. Take them captive, harass them and ambush them using every stratagem of war.”
* Koran: “Fight them till all opposition ends and the only religion is Islam.”
* Ishaq: “We are pledging ourselves to wage war against all mankind.”
* Quran 8:59: “The infidels should not think that they can get away from us. Prepare against them whatever arms and weaponry you can muster so that you may terrorize them. They are your enemy and Allah’s enemy.”
Without this, no undderstanding. Without understanding, no comprehension, no defense and no victory.
Understanding the enemy is the first step. And Islam is the enemy.
“Islam is a revolutionary faith that comes to destroy any government made by man. Islam does not look for a nation to be in better condition than another nation. Islam does not care about the land or or who owns the land. The goal of Islam is to rule the entire world and submit all of mankind to the faith of Islam. Any nation or power that gets in the way of that goal, islam will fight and destroy. In order to fulfill that goal , Islam can use every power available every way it can be used to bring worldwide revolution. This is jihad.”
Sayyed Abdul A’la Maududi in “Jihad in Islam.”
Every state official, every politician, every army cadet should have a copy of this, should be forced to memorize it. Then we might see some change in the 'WoT'...
Posted by: sheik yer'mami at December 28, 2007 8:06 PM
"Presidential candidates should be speaking out about this."
Posted by: Hugh at December 28, 2007 4:17 PM
"Hugh, why is it that we can't seem to get people to see it? Is it simply that we lack the sort of pithy phrase like we had with "godless Communism" or is it something deeper?"
Posted by: venividivici at December 28, 2007 5:25 PM
Our current crop of potential presidential candidates have substituted quite a few pithy, but lengthy phrases for our real enemy: Muslim fundamentalists.
Consider John McCain's description of our enemy:
"Violent Islamist extremists". One wonder's if he'd be O.K. with moderate Islamist extremists.
And here's Mr. Huckabee's learned description:
"Radical Islamic fascists". I wonder which of those three words concerns him most.
Yes, the presidential candidates ARE speaking out; but as usual, they're either uninformed or intimidated.
In a phone conversation with one of McCain's overwhelmed, uninformed representatives today, I was told that Islam is a 'touchy' subject.
That 'touchiness' is really the fear of the name calling and the requisite apologies that always follow even the most minor misstatement about Islam, it's teachings, and it's followers.
Of course, the more one knows about Islam, the less chance of making such blunders.
As it stands now, for most of the presidential hopefuls, it remains quite touchy.
Posted by: PRCS at December 28, 2007 8:11 PM
Hello! Does anyone anywhere in this government have a lick of sense?
Posted by: interestinconundrum at December 28, 2007 8:31 PM
....did FDR have nazi advisors? Why the hell not?
This is madness.
at December 28, 2007 8:33 PM
To Stephen Coughlin and those in the Pentagon who agree with him, hang tough. Don't back down, and don't give up. This issue is important; in fact it is the key to our national security for the forseeable future. We have seen how these "debates" on Islam are not based on the facts, but on ad hominem blitzkriegs. Hang tough.
Kudos too to the Washington Times for publishing this story, and for letting us know of the crucial battle that is underway within our own Pentagon.
Posted by: special_guest at December 28, 2007 8:36 PM
"Pro-Muslim officials at the Pentagon are putting political pressure on one of the U.S. military's most important specialists on Islamist extremism, according to defense officials.
...?
A Pentagon spokesman had no immediate comment on the differences between Mr. Islam and Mr. Coughlin."
These are the first and last statements in Gertz article.
Something may be happening between England, Islam and Coughlin, but Gertz doesn't seem to have the scoop and the real deal on what's going down.
I mean, if England smelled the coffee one morning— rather, if someone barged into England's office one morning and smacked him over the head a couple times with "the facts" of the thoughts and intentions of these foreign Islamic oil rich individuals George et al. has been and is so fond and chummy with, is everyone here at Jihad Watch saying and thinking that England wouldn't do an about face and start steering the ship in another direction? Are England and his crew honorable and intelligent individuals, or do they all have bats in their belfry's? I'll wait to see how this story plays out a little farther before commenting further. Now is not the time for me to speculate.
Maybe one day soon England will smack George over the head a couple times with his assesment on what the intentions of his oil buddy pals are up to ..., and maybe he won't, too. I'll wait
at December 28, 2007 9:01 PM
We've had 7 years of prosperity following 9-11, people only see the bad. Most have taken a GOD believing man as this President is, and made him out to be a baffoon. We've had record employment, homeownership, even with gas at 3 bucks a gallon. We have a enemy that's called islam and it's here in America. When whats right is wrong and vice versa, we're in for big trouble. Mr. John Bolton says the left has stymmied this sitting President. If the next 7 years are a disaster maybe the Bible is true!
Posted by: AMartinez at December 28, 2007 10:09 PM
k24anson wrote,
“Are England and his crew honorable and intelligent individuals, or do they all have bats in their belfry's?”
He may be “honorable,” and he could even be “intelligent.” Neville chamberlain also was an “honorable” and “intelligent” man. Yet look at all of the harm he did. How many people died because of his false assumptions?
All the honor and intelligence in world can avail a person nothing if he/she turns false beliefs into suicidal policies. Killing the F-22 Raptor program is just further evidence of how dangerously ignorant this man is.
Posted by: patagonianplato at December 28, 2007 10:23 PM
The F-22 might be discontinued at about 190 planes. I think it's a mistake, especially given the balky F-15s, newer Russian fighters, and Russian missile sales. But the Raptor is quite expensive and the F-35 is under development. Plenty of defense experts think the F-22 is a boondoggle, but they always assume the F-15 is viable well into the future. Which apparently it isn't.
Posted by: Beagle at December 28, 2007 10:33 PM
This is why I believe it may come to a future scenario whereby the government has been so dhimmified, penetrated, and compromised that the people may have to, in order to defend themselves and their liberties, rise up against the government. Sound far fetched? Well, I NEVER thought - ten years ago, twenty years ago - that my mind would wrap itself around this idea. For the record, I don't belong to a militia and have no immediate plans of pursuing this path. But, the idea is in my head that, if events play out and progress as I think they might, it becomes a realistic and responsible option. And I think we'd have most of the military and law enforcement on our side, in the final analysis, if things get bad enough. And if that happens, the shocked looks on the faces of the elites would be ... priceless. And when that happens, I predict that a lot of carpenters will get steady work building scaffolds.
at December 28, 2007 10:41 PM
Muslims cannot be loyal to the United States or its Constitution. Their loyalty must be to Islam (at the pain of death). Since Mr. Islam's signature on a loyalty oath is therefore meaningless, he should be dismissed from any position requiring the slightest security clarance.
Further, as a matter of policy, the Defense, State, Homeland Security, and Justice Departments should be barred from employing any Muslims, unless they are proven Apostates (and the proof must overcome taqiyya; waterboarding perhaps?).
Since all believing Muslims must seek Islamic domination of this country and Sharia instead of the Constitution, it follows that they are all equally subversive to America as a nation, as were all the Communists. A Muslim holding American citizenship is therefore an oxymoron. Morally they cannot be both, they cannot be loyal to both.
As for Mr. England, his attempt to kill the F-22 Raptor program in the face of the entire fleet of F-15s being grounded (450 aircraft) utterly defies logic. Is Mr. England a fellow traveler with Mr. Islam? Reaching out to the enemy? Sickening.
BTW, Carolyn Glick has a new website:
http://www.carolineglick.com/e/
Recommend checking her archives for the12/20/07 article "The triumph of legal defeatism" - about how the lawyers castrated the IDF in last year's war with Hezbollah. We are dangerously close to something similar in our armed forces. People like England at the top may be responsible already for all the charges being brought against our troops for doing there job.
Posted by: Jimmy Bones at December 28, 2007 10:42 PM
Firearms training and safety instuction are good and useful.
Posted by: John C at December 28, 2007 10:44 PM
If we are "in the early stages" of society-wide awareness of Islam's incompatibility with the West, exactly how early would that be? It is a very difficult problem because it is not about simply increasing the awareness among non-Muslims but the necessity of demolishing the PC barrier to strong criticism of a "legitimate" major religion. This appears to be a huge hurdle, the key hurdle politically.
And now it is clear that our faux Republican administration is teetering on the verge of full-blown "Islam denial". No sooner do I hear about this Mr. Coughlin, a promising ray of hope in all this, does he come under friendly fire for his studious efforts!
The lack of fortitude and integrity in our decision-makers is absolutely shameful and is exemplified by this summer's rebellion over immigration-- the culmination of 40 years of modern liberalism. There is little reason to believe the process with Islam will be any different.
Posted by: lycaste at December 28, 2007 10:44 PM
I'll put my two cents worth in here. First, for the time being continue working abroad with some Muslims against others (the alternative is to work with no Muslims and take on all Muslims-----either approach entails many problems and reasonable minds can disagree as to which is the better course; I opt for the former for now, including the attempt to install democracy, real democracy, in a Muslim country or two, in spite of Islam of course and not because of it).
Second, be under no illusion that there is a good, peaceful and tolerant Islam. There isn't. There are many good, peaceful and tolerant Muslims but that's a far different matter. Therefore, the PC crap and touchy-feely multicultural nonsense where Islam is concerned must end, including in the Pentagon of all places.
Third, find some constitutional and legal way to ban further Muslim immigration and even to make Islam the one exception to First Amendment religious protection (if this results in not being able to work with some Muslims abroad, then so be it).
Fourth, move with all deliberate speed to energy independence. No-pie-in-the sky nonsense and no Al Gore type crap either. Go nuclear, drill for more oil in America, build more oil refineries, consider the many uses of coal and explore valid alternative energy sources, researched and funded by the private sector with government tax incentives as inducement to do so.
Fifth, begin finding capable, electable politicians who understand and are prepared to implement all of the above and hope like hell that one politician comes along with a complete comprehension of Islam, a confidence that its more radical elements can be utterly defeated and with a leadership capacity of the first dimension. In short, we need a Ronald Reagan or Andrew Jackson type to lead the free world to a place which most of the free world does not yet know it has to go.
We do all this, then we'll put Islam on the trash heap of history. If we don't, well, then we'll have tragic stalemate at best and submission to Sharia at worst.
Posted by: Wellington at December 28, 2007 11:10 PM
Who in their right mind ever would have thought that someone in our Pentagon would seek a softer approach to the jehadists whom seek to destroy us Americans. Geez I miss the days when we only feared the communists, but alas the Devils at our doorstep.
Posted by: AMartinez at December 28, 2007 11:26 PM
I'm just happy to hear that the Pentagon has someone with a clue on Islam. Is there any other information out there on Mr. Coughlin?
If he reads this blog, I just want to say THANK YOU.
Posted by: JSobieski at December 28, 2007 11:33 PM
It's the economy, stupid, if you will. That seems to be the prime motivation of the government. Keep everyone happy. That seems to be the prime reason of government in recent years. No matter what party you follow, it always comes back to the economy. One party says it is good and you are prospering. The other says you are suffering, let us help. That infuses the politics of today profoundly.
Any deviation from that formula seems to foment derision and a clouding of the issues. The real issues that face us are subverted. They portray them as meaningless and UNPC.
Perhaps, we have to become more involved in the political process, and that happens to be beyond the normal channels. You know, the part that says we can rise up against a repressive government.
at December 28, 2007 11:47 PM
Wellington,
Let's support Muslims Against Sharia--they seem to be THE REAL DEAL--they could just as well call themselves "Muslims for All Segments/Sorts/Shades of Humanity."
Posted by: John C at December 29, 2007 12:26 AM
Pentagon dissidents need to post stickers saying:
DO NOT CRITICIZE THE DEATHCULT OF PEACE, PLEASE!
Posted by: profitsbeard at December 29, 2007 12:40 AM
Ditto.
Posted by: breezy55 at December 29, 2007 12:43 AM
‘The O-5 Lobotomy’
Those in the junior ranks talk of the O-5 lobotomy (an O-5 is a Lieutenant Colonel or Navy Commander). I didn’t think much about it at the time, but it is observable and makes sense to me now.
Up to O-5, you are judged by the performance of your unit, the majority of which consists of rational, red-blooded Americans. So your loyalties are to your unit, so that it performs well.
After O-5, your fitness report is subject to political pressure. Clark was a creation of Clinton and Petraeus is a creation of Bush. They set up the power structure and you report to and are judged by that power structure. Your upward mobility is affected by forces other than rational, red-blooded Americans.
I’m not a member of a militia either. But I am a member of a fish and game association. It’s growing and popular with law enforcement.
at December 29, 2007 12:59 AM
When there is a problem in a democratic republic, the answer is not to buy a pistol and night-vision goggles. The answer is to get involved in your community. Talk with your friends and neighbors, in a polite and non-belligerent way, about what the Qur'an and ahadith actually contain, and why that affects Muslims' behavior today. Write your political representatives and let them know how you feel on the subject. Financially support organizations such as JihadWatch that speak out against Islamic violence. Give Robert's books as gifts, or donate them to your local library.
Your fellow citizens don't want to be beaten for going out uncovered, they don't want to be smitten at their neck, they don't want apostasy to become a capital crime, any more than you do. But they, unlike you, don't have the information yet. Talk with them.
Well, okay, AND buy a pistol, and know how to use it, if that's your thing. But don't skip the talking part.
Posted by: special_guest at December 29, 2007 1:37 AM
A person like Mr. Islam is generally a political appointment or has someone in Congress who is his backer so as to grease the skids.
To find out how far the rot goes, someone needs to dig into how Mr.Islam got his position. That will tell us who beyond Mr.Islam is undermining the military.
Posted by: waltc at December 29, 2007 1:40 AM
Wellington: Your wish list of points ain't never going to happen.
The best that we can hope for is to chip away at the monolith of quietist satisfaction and complacent 'do-nothing' officaldom. I am sure that it doesn't seem like much - it feels like voices crying in the wilderness - but it does have an effect (like water dripping on stone).
As long as we exist, as long as we resist, as long as we all point up the fallacies and stupidities of Islam (day by day, hour by hour - in a slow and sure fashion) then slowly, surely, inexorably, more and more free, Western, civilised people will join us.
It is going to be a long and slow fight. We are going to lose battles, win campaigns, lose actions and win skirmishes - but one thing is for certain, we are, and I repeat that, we are going to win this war. Against freedom not even the most vile can stand (and, in Islam, we face the most vile threat that people have ever faced) for freedom is graven on our hearts and all we have to do is to remind our peoples that they are free and that certain moves of appeasement remove certain fundamental freedoms.
It seems to me that you are looking for some sort of instant fix. Sorry, there is no instant fix. But, very but, there is a fix and that fix is us, and others just like us at other sites just like this one. As long as we never lose heart, never stop supporting Robert Spencer and his ilk, never stop protesting against Muslim encroachment upon our societies and our societies' laws then little by little, bit by bit, we can turn this tide.
This is the old 'how does one eat an elephant' problem to which there is only one answer - a little bit followed by a little bit. We are trying to eat an elephant here: the elephant in question being the position of the vile Islamic psuedo-faith in our free societies. It has no valid position but, as yet, most of our people have not realised that - they are still living in that archetypical leftist, conformist to current norms, construction: a society which thinks that religious belief is off limits as far as questioning, or challenging, such beliefs goes.
That cannot last. Eventually all faiths have to answer to reason and observable fact. Bald assumptions, such as a woman's testimony being worth only half that of a man's, will always provoke the question 'Why is that so?' The bare answer - 'Because the Prophet said so' - is, and never can be, not enough for the human mind (nor can, or should, it be enough for fifty percent of the human population of this planet).
The fallacies of Islam, the rampant stupities of Muslims worldwide, are so obvious to even the most shallow mind that it always surprises me that anyone raised in a Western free and civilised country can bear to become part of such a narrow, supremacist - fascistic - ideology. It is obvious to even the most simple of minds that Islam - a belief in Islam - is tantamount to a resignation of everything that it means to be human and free in the sight of God, to everything that it means to have an enquiring mind, to everything that it means to seek justice and freedom, and so obvious to my free Western nature is that, is that I simply can't understand why anyone in their right mind could bear to submit to such a violent and primitive belief system.
Obviously, I have failed to take into account the type of damaged Western mind which would, and does, find Islam attractive. Pity them for, quite likely, we have failed them. Equally obviously, I have failed to take into acount the Muslim habit of indoctrinating children into their ways - a form of child abuse (doubly so, given that they are Muslim) - but I am loathe to use this particular whip given that we also abuse our children into our own peculiar beliefs; the best that can be said is that our beliefs are liberal (note the small 'l') rather than their supremacist, world domination, beliefs.
But, when all is said and done, Islam is a wicked and evil system which suppresses every natural human impetus - it denies equality between the sexes, it denies the validity of sexual differences, it asserts the idiotic supremacy of the male above all else, it denies truth and science and asserts the word of a spurious Prophet, it seeks to alter history and denies the science or archaelogy involved in the study of these disciplines: above all else, it stupidly denies man's God given reason and sees us merely as a creature rather than an independent fact of existence.
Islam may worship God, perhaps, but it belittles us and God's creation by making us subject to a capricious God whom we cannot, ever, know.
Islam is, in short, the most total offence against reason, and against God, which one can possibly imagine. On any level which you care to inmagine it - Islam - has no valdity. Islam requires from us - the civilised West - no answers (by its own admission). It requires, rather, actions - actions of the most extreme sort - against it (Islam) and all its falsities and inhuman stupidities.
Islam has no reason other than Islam. We, however, have reason in faith and reason in science and we know how to tell the difference. Islam cannot. That is why we will win and why we must ensure that we do - it will be a long dark teatime of the soul if we don't!
Posted by: OliverPCamford at December 29, 2007 1:41 AM
The true Mr. Islam:
http://www.elfyourself.com/?id=1800874255
at December 29, 2007 1:41 AM
So, what is the commander-in-chief doing about the infiltration?
Posted by: Alert at December 29, 2007 5:44 AM
Alert:"So, what is the commander-in-chief doing about the infiltration?"
He's doing his bit.
He gave Iraq a Koran based constitution. He destroyed Iran's biggest enemy in Saddam. By doing that he also destroyed the KSA's biggest Sunni threat too. A Secular threat let's not forget. He let Bin Laden's family fly out of the US in the days following 911- Can you expect any real leader, like Putin or an Israeli leader, to behave like that? The nukes would've been dusted down pronto. Whole areas of the ME would be molten glass
In his infinite wisdom Dubya the Great promised an Islamist state in the heart of Europe - Kosovo. He's pouring billions into construction projects in Afghanistan, all the while the US dollar plummets to new lows.
He's doing his bit. Don't you dare knock him. He's got a lot on his plate. Bless him. For a hippy crack head he's done well.
p.s. He thinks that Islam is the Religion Of Peace. Bless him. His parents really deserve better. Really they do.
Posted by: ewha1 at December 29, 2007 7:47 AM
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/01/washington/01detain.html?_r=1&oref=slogin
I googled Gordon England and came up with this. No wonder Rummey got witch-hunted out of the Pentagon.
This guy needs to be exposed.
Posted by: Aunt Bea at December 29, 2007 7:56 AM
Thankyou OliverPCamford!
And thanks to all of you for your erudite comments! Which brings up a question: What have all of you done to get your ideas into print? Yes, I know, most newspapers would be afraid to print your comments. But, figure out a way to get into print. Your comments need to get out to all Americans. I'm going to print (big print) Sayyed Abdul A'la Maududi's paragraph about Islam (from Jihad in Islam)and put it on the bulletin board in our laundry. hm-m-m-m
Posted by: youngtimer at December 29, 2007 8:16 AM
We are being conquered by Islam. It's OK though because we join a long list of nations and cultures that have been consumed by Islam over the last 1,400 years. Sure we got Spain and Sicily back, but for the most part, lands conquered by Islam remain with Islam. More importantly, the people conquered by Islam remain with Islam.
There are two things which we must do as of yesterday:
1) Do not recognize Islam as a religion
2) Do not grant citizenship to Muslims
We are watching our culture and our countries being replaced by Islam and Muslims. Based on the huge number of historical events involving Islam and victim nations, I predict we will do absolutely nothing. Like every other culture we will be conquered because we simply refuse to take that important first step of denying religion to Islam.
Islam is not a religion. Keep repeating it to yourself.
Posted by: mike trivisonno at December 29, 2007 11:00 AM
Aunt Bea, while reading these type of stories in the past I had what I thought a nice idea in regards to the detention of prisoners at Guan' and elsewhere, and the idea still could be implemented. In fact it may very well already be policy.
They're small, real small; no bigger than the head of a pin, and they can record and transmit voice and geographic positional data via satellite to anyone, anywhere. These pinhead sized transmitters can record and send data either in real time, or in short, micro-second bursts. Body heat supplies energy to the micro-nano-chip system.
Implant these microchips in a few choice detainees necks and then make it appear as if George and his crew had to weakly buckle and succumb to the liberal forces and release these potential terrorists from detention. Like chickens that come home to roost or dogs that return to their vomit, these detainees will be free to re-associate with their fellow terrorists, and all the while they're being monitored while they do so. Months will pass and I can only imagine the wealth of intelligence that will be gathered, and then acted on ...
I don't gamble except on what I know, but anyone want to place bets one or two of these bums being monitored as they ask around, and eventually returning to some cave in Pakistan, this allowing the network protecting OBL to be compromised, and OBL himself to eventually be captured alive?
Rather, the real deal would probably be someone traitorous and Democratic Party affiliated within our administration who couldn't keep the secret and one day spilled the beans to the NYTimes, and now everyone knows what our administration was doing, this turning all the detainees that were set free into worthless "assets." This scenario ends with George now having one more group of lawyers filing lawsuits for inhumane, bodily invasion of privacy against the detainees. Some of these detainees actually won judgementsfor being humiliated, for pain and suffering, etc., and then were rewarded millions of dollars in cold hard American greenbacks by several Western courts.
... at this point I heard the alarm clock ringing, and I woke up. The dream had ended.
I still believe it is a good idea that no one in our present administration could think of ..., you know to think and implement something that actually does something that actually makes US win a battle, decisively.
Hurrah?
at December 29, 2007 12:13 PM
Aunt Bea, while reading these type of stories in the past I had what I thought a nice idea in regards to the detention of prisoners at Guan' and elsewhere, and the idea still could be implemented. In fact it may very well already be policy.
They're small, real small; no bigger than the head of a pin, and they can record and transmit voice and geographic positional data via satellite to anyone, anywhere. These pinhead sized transmitters can record and send data either in real time, or in short, micro-second bursts. Body heat supplies energy to the micro-nano-chip system.
Implant these microchips in a few choice detainees necks and then make it appear as if George and his crew had to weakly buckle and succumb to the liberal forces and release these potential terrorists from detention. Like chickens that come home to roost or dogs that return to their vomit, these detainees will be free to re-associate with their fellow terrorists, and all the while they're being monitored while they do so. Months will pass and I can only imagine the wealth of intelligence that will be gathered, and then acted on ...
I don't gamble except on what I know, but anyone want to place bets one or two of these bums being monitored as they ask around, and eventually returning to some cave in Pakistan, this allowing the network protecting OBL to be compromised, and OBL himself to eventually be captured alive?
Rather, the real deal would probably be someone traitorous and Democratic Party affiliated within our administration who couldn't keep the secret and one day spilled the beans to the NYTimes, and now everyone knows what our administration was doing, this turning all the detainees that were set free into worthless "assets." This scenario ends with George now having one more group of lawyers filing lawsuits for inhumane, bodily invasion of privacy against the detainees. Some of these detainees actually won judgementsfor being humiliated, for pain and suffering, etc., and then were rewarded millions of dollars in cold hard American greenbacks by several Western courts. They finally returned to their native lands and were greeted as heroes, showered with gifts and lived wealthy and happily ever after.
... at this point I heard the alarm clock ringing, and I woke up. The dream had ended.
I still believe it is a good idea that no one in our present administration could think of ..., you know to think and implement something that actually does something that actually makes US win a battle, decisively.
Hurrah?
at December 29, 2007 12:16 PM
OlicerPCamford: We're in essential agreement and thanks for your comments by the way. I would like to state, though, that I'm under no illusion that defeating radical Islam will be done soon or easily. That's why on several previous posts I have referred to the war we are in as the new Hundred Years War (message to John Edwards: we're in a war, pal, and so move on from your inane bumper sticker comment). Like you, I think we will lose many battles in this war, just as we have lost numerous battles in virtually every other war in which America prevailed eventually (the Mexican and Spanish-American Wars are the exceptions here and even in these wars we lost a hell of a lot of men, especially when the ratio of those involved is taken into account).
What I outlined in my previous post above is what we ought to do, not what I'm sure we will do. And I can't stress the energy independence factor enough. We need to want nothing from the Islamic world. Even more important is a recognition by a large majority of Americans that Islam is the one major faith which is totalitarian in structure and should be treated as such. And, of course, I agree with you that freedom will prevail in the long run, although Winston Churchill's comment comes to mind; you know, the one about America always doing the right thing after it's explored every other possibility. My best to you and yours.
Posted by: Wellington at December 29, 2007 12:33 PM
"...He let Bin Laden's family fly out of the US in the days following 911- Can you expect any real leader, like Putin or an Israeli leader, to behave like that? ...."
....Putin?....hard to tell....he might let them fly out with a billion dollar weapons deal in hand....
....Israel....they continue to amaze the world with the stupid things they do.....sure,....
Posted by: exsgtbrown at December 29, 2007 1:43 PM
The "analysis of Muslim religious tenets" is not only politically taboo, it may be a religious taboo. Christians in Malaysia cannot even use the word "Allah" without facing sanctions. A local (read: Christian) newspaper is facing the loss of its permit for daring to use a restricted word.
Christians banned from saying 'Allah'
'We cannot let other religions use it, because it will confuse people'
A Malaysian newspaper is reporting that Christians in that Muslim nation are being banned from using the word "Allah."
"We cannot let other religions use it because it will confuse people," Malaysia's Deputy Internal Security Minister, Johari Baharum, told the DNAIndia publication.
He said "only Muslims can use the word 'Allah.'"
The issue erupted when a Catholic publication used the now-banned-for-Christians word.
Herald, the Catholic Church's weekly newsletter, used the word and was warned it is at risk now of losing its publication permit.
(Story continues below)
The report said the move would shut down the 13-year-old publication, which is available in English, Malay, Chinese and Tamil, and has a circulation of about 12,000, because without a renewed permit it cannot operate.
The present permit expires Dec. 31, officials reported.
It is not right, Baharum said, for such a publication to use the protected word. "We cannot allow this … in non-Muslim publications," he said.
An estimated 10 percent of Malaysia's estimated population of 26 million is Christian, and a part of that segment is Catholic. Lawrence Andrew is editor of the Herald, and said "Allah" was not used to offend or confuse anyone.
He said the Malay-language Bible uses the word "Allah" for God, and uses "Tuham" for Lord."
It is not the first problem Christians have had in Malaysia, even though the nation's constitution calls for religious freedom.
The Wall Street Journal has summarized the plight of a Malaysian woman who converted to Christianity, but lost a court case seeking to have "Islam" removed as her religion on her identity card.
"While Muslim-majority Malaysia is considered a largely moderate, modern society, renouncing one's Muslim faith still is considered both sinful and illegal by Islamic authorities – who have gained increasing sway of late. Ms. [Lina] Joy's apostasy case ... has inflamed public debate, divided the legal community … and threatens to set off political tremors in this Southeast Asian nation."
The Becket Fund for Religious Liberty said the government's refusal to allow the woman to choose her religion violates customary international law protecting freedom of conscience as expressed in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights.
It also violates the United Nations Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination Against Women, to which Malaysia is legally bound, the Becket Fund said.
Posted by: PMK at December 29, 2007 1:52 PM
PMK: Thanks for the information about the Malaysian woman. Islam proves itself troubling and often disgusting in many ways, but one of the worst is a death sentence for any Muslim who converts to another religion. This should always be brought up to anyone, Muslim or non-Muslim, who attempts to defend Islam.
Posted by: Wellington at December 29, 2007 2:26 PM
Mr. Bones --
Thanks for the heads-up re the new Caroline Glick website. Her jpost.com column and Stephen Plaut's website are regular readings for me, as of course are Robert and Hugh. We need more, many more, with their intelligence and wit. Glad to see Glick is coming out with a book in March, tho I hope it's more than just a collection of her JP columns. Also glad, for several reasons, to see that she owns two dogs.
at December 29, 2007 8:54 PM
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