Islam's failing is that it is too this-worldly in seeking its own validation; its god is too small.

Posted by: John C at December 29, 2007 10:28 PM

Dr Farrukh Saleem an Islamabad-based economist and analyst wrote on Aqsa's murder in the Daily Times:

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/def...9-12- 2007_pg3_4

"Honour killing is our export to Canada. Women who do not wear hijab are not virtuous. Hijab is a Muslim woman’s identity. Hijab is religion. Hijab is the sixth pillar. Hijab symbolises sexual modesty. The West is conspiring to crush Islamic identity. Fact or fiction?"

"Here’s a fact: Aqsa has been murdered. For us, denial is not an option. According to the United Nations Population Fund more than 5,000 women worldwide fall victim to honour killing. Denial is not an option."

Posted by: sounder at December 29, 2007 10:35 PM

Sorry here is the correct working link

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2007%5C12%5C19%5Cstory_19-12-2007_pg3_4

Posted by: sounder at December 29, 2007 10:40 PM

"Islam's failing is that it is too this-worldly in seeking its own validation; its god is too small."

Oh yes, John C., Islam has a very little god, and one who doesn't like to be mocked. He demands that every knee bend before him and says that Jesus will be subject to him and will destroy the cross when He comes back to earth. Hmmm, who does that remind us of?

As to that poor, sweet, baby, Aqsa Parvez, there is no excuse for her outright murder so the fanatics that applaud her death have to make something up. She has to be a whore, she has to have been a drug dealer, she has to have been a trouble maker. She couldn't just be a 16 year old girl who ran away from home because of her dad's abuse. That would make Islam look pretty bad for sanctioning her murder, wouldn't it? That would make the average Joe question Islam's beloved self-applied moniker of religion of peace, wouldn't it?

Posted by: Isabellathecrusader at December 29, 2007 10:55 PM

Dr Khalid Hasan's scholarly discussion of the hijab is hardly a good substitute for a discussion of Islam's teachings about women in general.

Posted by: rational at December 29, 2007 11:00 PM

I read Dr. Saleem's commentary in the Pakistan Daily Times; it's superb. Why is it that most of the sane Muslim commentary on this is coming from outside of Canada? Why are wise and reasoned men like Dr. Saleem still in Pakistan, while ignorant animals like Muhammed Parvez are over here? Immigration used to be about accepting the best and brightest from other countries; now we seem to be letting in the very worst, along with all the Saudi-trained and funded Wahabists intent in perpetuating that barbarity and ignorance. I'm embarrassed to be a Canadian sometimes.

Posted by: angloirishslav at December 29, 2007 11:20 PM

This Canadian MURDER is the first of many to come. Give CNN some credit for exposing the racisim of muslim men in recent shows. This left wing mouth peace has finally reported the news instead of creating it, if you are a Christian, prey for those poor ladies in islam. If you are like me, thank god to our forefathers for kicking Hitlers ass... and get ready for the near future Palestines, already in France, coming soon to England, welcome to Michigan, and Ontario will soon be woken up!
Bush was right in one thing only, our generation must stand up! He also held hands with the devil, the Saudi (sharia prince) king. Winston Churchill never held hands with Hitler, cigar time.
Winston.

Posted by: winston at December 30, 2007 12:07 AM

angloirishslav,

There are prominent Canadian Muslims writing on this issue as well. I case you have not seen them, links are here:

"Bigotry, terror masked as faith":
http://www.canadiancoalition.com/forum/messages/27299.shtml

"The deadly face of Muslim extremism":
http://www.canadiancoalition.com/forum/messages/27213.shtml

Posted by: Sounder at December 30, 2007 12:13 AM

No real reform is possible. Apostasy from Islam should be encouraged. It should be the foreign policy of the West v-a-v Muslim nations. When Muslims become apostates, perhaps a few spiritually inclined former Muslims can take whatever there is of value from Islam and forge a new religion. As it stands, absolute submission, misogyny, Imperialism, murder, complete lack of compassion, pathological deceit, totalitarianism and genocidal inclinations, the dominant themes in the religion, do not seem to offer 21st century humanity anything of positive value.

Posted by: Wimbledon Womble at December 30, 2007 12:22 AM

So this is the peace in Islam, Bush talks about: http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2001/09/20010917-11.html

Posted by: Alert at December 30, 2007 12:41 AM

"Little Mosque in the News"

So the CBC tries to pawn off a show about Muslims that are the tolerant wise ones that came to canada to educate us ignorant bigotted Christian that disrespect Female by not letting them be priests?

The CBC had a camera LIVE at the Toronto Mosque for the tribute to Bhutto as if she was the head of canada or something, but right near the end of the clip when the prayer ends I just happened to see in the backdrop that the Female Muslims were housed like Cattle behind a Lattice fence and were forced to still wear the Hijab .
Amamzing how the CBC will jump at the chance to mock christian and jesus prior to Christmas as they just did with a TV special smearing all Christians, BUT .... because they fear suicide bombers and beheadings by the Islamists in canada they did squat about the actual Mosque in real life that segregated females to the back of the room.

This is the same CBC that took great efforts to avoid this Honour Killing because the Hijab is a option and Islam respect females and Pluralism , and yet right there on TV while only Men from the Media were allowed to film in the Mosque I saw these CBC employees accept this overt abuse of females which is Illegal under our Charter Of Rights.

Sadly though , we now have a Liberal MP at the Air India bombing inquiry who appear to have protected the Sikh terrorists in Canada by his own admission that he knew about the bombing plot and that he isn't really a Sikh himself as he has professed over the years , Ojjah Dosanjh was under oath just this Thursday and gave evidence to absolve him from the 240 Canadians that were slaughtered at 35'000 ft over the Atlantic .

I lost my tolerance for murderers who bring their old battles to canada and then play the victim as a oppressed minority forced to be violent from the Racist society that doesn't do enough to make them feel like they did back home.

Racism made Sikhs murder 240 canadians, racism made Gamil Gharbi murder 14 female stundent for Allah, racism made the father of 5 year old Farah Khan slit her throat and hack her up in pieces , racism made the Toronto 17 Pakistanis plot to slaught canadians with 6600lbs of explosives , and now racism appear to be the reason for the honour killings andn ot Sharia law.

I'd ranther choose to die than live in a godless hell hole Islamic Nation that enforces Shari law in a Caliphate and inflicts fear on all the people to force them to worship Muahmmad and his imaginary friend in his head.

I expect to see a BhuttoTruth.org that spew another jewish conspiracy backed by George Bush and Israel .
Michael Moore must be drooling over the BhuttoHype.911 movie that can make him richer than the same rich people he claims to hate.

Posted by: ala-sux at December 30, 2007 1:01 AM

Sheikh Alaa El-Sayyed, imam of a Toronto mosque, said, “Women who wear hijabs occupy higher positions in Islam, according to religious teachings.” Where did the imam get that because nowhere does Islam lay that out?

Methinks he got it from Quran 33:59 (oops, even we kafirs get it) - you might like to check it out. Three translations here, for your benefit:

Yusuf-Ali: O Prophet! Tell thy wives and daughters, and the believing women, that they should cast their outer garments over their persons (when abroad): that is most convenient, that they should be known (as such) and not molested. And God is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

Hilali-Khan: O Prophet! Tell your wives and your daughters and the women of the believers to draw their cloaks (veils) all over their bodies (i.e.screen themselves completely except the eyes or one eye to see the way). That will be better, that they should be known (as free respectable women) so as not to be annoyed. And Allah is Ever OftForgiving, Most Merciful.

Arberry: O Prophet, say to thy wives and daughters and the believing women, that they draw their veils close to them; so it is likelier they will be known, and not hurt. Allah is All-forgiving, All-compassionate.
And I didn't even need any hadiths!!!

Posted by: Infidel Pride at December 30, 2007 3:12 AM

And "dady" will move into a hotel like canadian jail, provided halal meals, access to jihadist website and literatures and will become a better man in the eyes of his savage prophet and god.
And of course a spiritual adviser shall visit him every friday, paid by the dhimmi canadian government.Of course while he is in jail the family shall be supported by the taxpayers.

Oh sanity where art thou

Posted by: hemoglobin at December 30, 2007 3:47 AM

EXPRESS

What was I thinking?
The last thing I wanted was that blessed-as-the-other-guy
experience, that genuflected similarity, more carbon copied
than uniquely mystical. I know there must be more than one
Spiritual Path, more than one version of what's Holy
and what's not.

But one warm December afternoon, its ample sweet nog,
a dizzying hookah, its attendant virgins in a heaven-distant
harem, caught me off guard. I should have left,
should have remembered a good friend
at the club, waiting on the first tee.

Instead, caught by the melodious "It Came Upon A Midnight
Clear", wrapped in an ecumenical openness,
I mumbled some hocus-pocus responsive reading,
signed up for God-knows-what with some genii-
looking bearded guy
I wouldn't have bought a used car from.

I can't even pronounce his name.
It started when I answered that
I didn't know God well enough.

I still don't.
Why did I share that admission?
What did I have to gain?
Brotherhood with Mullahs and their millions?
The One True Way?
A shared abomination for pork?

Damn me for being so curious.
Our holiday God is wherever He wants to be;
He's just as hard for me to find
as for the suicidal brute who killed Bhutto,
the minced madman who forgot he needs
his blown-out eyes to see booty in paradise.

God knows I regret what I said to the bearded imam.
I pray to escape this Allah driven
martyr express.

B. Koplen

Posted by: BarryK at December 30, 2007 4:52 AM

Assalamau Laikum,

Many peoples will remember Aqsa. Many peoples will remember the father too....but virtually all will remember and (more importantly) will get to know Islam too.

Islam is very pure in nature...the rules are laid out, a holy book is in place...Allah SWT is as important today as he was when Muhd SAW was kind enough to share him with us.

We humans are very fickle...today we like this, tomorrow we like the other...today we dump a girlfriend by text message, then a new one texts you.

Islam is the tool for the human brain to remove the fickleness out of life, where there were doubts yesterday...today they are gone...why? where?

Well, it doesn't matter...Allah SWT has removed them, this is the magic of Islam.

In the West, the kaffur is fickle...but in a matter of 2-3 generations the kaffur will settle down, as the womens adopt the "higher plane" allowed by merciful Allah SWT.

Aqsa'a will come and go...unfortunate as this sweet girl short life was...let us learn from this...Allah Paak is waiting for you, forget about the friday night binges , the excesses of alcohol and drugs and sleeze that faithless societies awash you with.

Instead become awash with the magic and mercy of Allah SWT, your grandaughters (especially in Canada) will know about him....why not give them a head start?

Start now, start in 2008...Allah SWT awaits!

Posted by: Naseem at December 30, 2007 7:22 AM

OH NASEEM, HOW GULLIBLE YOU ARE!

To believe a religion that endorses murder!

To believe a religion that destroys human rights!

To believe a religion that puts women behind a fence, in the back row, belittles them!

To believe a religion that worships a God who is cruel, sadistic, inhumane!

The God Christians worship is a good God, a God who is Love itself! You say your God is compassionate, all merciful but that is a lie!

You are completely hoodwinked, Naseem!

Posted by: youngtimer at December 30, 2007 9:29 AM

They are fighting tooth and nail to try any way to deflect the charge that this atrocity was in any way connected to Islamic orthodoxy when quite clearly that is exactly what it is. This is why all the rumours about her and her lifestyle are being disseminated to try to degrade her and make he murder look somehow justified.

Posted by: Realist at December 30, 2007 10:46 AM

"According to the United Nations Population Fund more than 5,000 women worldwide fall victim to honour killing."

Posted by: sounder

5000 per what time period? Year? Month? Week? If 5000/year, the figure seems unbelievably low. Just assume that Aqsa's murder was the only honour-killing among Canada's Moslems this year (which seems a very doubtful assumption), and then extrapolate from the Canadian Moslem population to the world Moslem population: one gets a figure of over 4000/year.
For another figure, consider the one cited by Ayaan Hirst Ali: 11 honour killings among Moslems in the Netherlands in just 6 months, in just 2 (of 25) Dutch police districts; extrapolating from that to the world Moslem population gives a figure of nearly 500,000/year.
The former figure seems unbelievably low, and the latter incredibly high. Both show the danger of generalizing from very small samples. Surely the true figure is between these. My best guess is that the 5000 cited refers to 5000/month.

Posted by: ebonystone at December 30, 2007 12:28 PM

I see that Rawalpindi Rose (aka Naseem) is back to her personalized style of taunting, hypocritical proselytizing. Are you forgetting, Naseem, that the Allies won World War II inspite of all the taunts that Tokyo Rose hurled at them? They didn't hurt us because we knew their sleazy origin -- just as is the case now.

There has been speculation in the past about Naseem's real gender since many of her remarks seem at odds with a female perspective. In this posting she uses the example of dumping a girlfriend by text message --a slip of the keyboard Naseem? Females in conversation would use examples pertinent to their own gender, not of the opposite gender. Is Rawalpindi Rose really Rawalpindi Ralph?

I know that we shouldn't feed the trolls but this attempt by Naseem to paint the death of Aqsa as a golden opportunity for us to see the light of Islam is astounding in its narcissistic insensitivity.

Posted by: Jen at December 30, 2007 12:43 PM

Here we go again. The insinuation by "other than Americans" that all Americans are corrupt, carousing, promiscuous individuals. What utter nonsense. Now, Nasseem, it seems as if you might feel a little differently about this child's murder than you did about Bhutto's. It sounds as if you think she might have deserved it. So, I ask you, were you for her killing(since it was based on honor after all) or were you against it? But what a stupid question! Your prior statement speaks for itself. Poor Aqsa! To belong to a group of people that thought so liitle of her life.

Posted by: imamerican at December 30, 2007 2:11 PM

Muslim Logic=This murder had nothing to with Islam. The girls strayed from Islam and had to be killed.

Canadian Logic= In spite of representations to her school mates that her family was becoming increasingly threatening over her resistance to wear the hajib, neither the hajib nor Islam had anything to do with this murder.

The Truth= It is being reported by Canadian comenters on Little Green Footballs that she was strangled with the hajib her 'family' pressed upon her and that her father told the Police that was why she had to be killed. And as a good Muslim he and his son should be set free.

Posted by: Pat at December 30, 2007 4:33 PM

"Aqsa'a will come and go"

Is this the mercy and benevolence, and the compassion you are taught by Mohammed, and your illah? Perhaps Naseems will come and go, as well...

So, Aqsa's will come and go, will they? You are cold. You are misogynistic. Aqsa was just a female. Wouldn't sumbmit, asked for it, deserved to die. Blame the victim, am I right, Naseem?

"let us learn from this"

By all means, let us learn from this. What it has to do with your bigotted characterization of those people not a part of your "ummah", I don't have a clue. But, yes, let us learn.

I've learned a lot from this, already. I've learned I don't want people like Aqsa's so-called family living in my neighborhood. If a man will murder his own daughter, he will have no compunctions when the question comes, of whether or not to murder me and mine.

I've learned that, at all costs, I have to make my family and friends aware of what they will lose, if Sharia ever becomes the law of our land. I'm not talking about our books, our art, our music, our minor vices--I'm talking about our humanity, and that is something that no member of my family will lose, so long as I draw breath. In the New Year, I plan to expand my concern to include strangers.

I've learned that I never can, and never will trust a Mohammedan. God gives you life, and rather than use it, you throw it away. You throw away your own lives, and those lives that are not yours. You think you will be rewarded for doing these things, but unless God is as insane as Muhammed was, you're going to be disappointed.

I've learned that if the Mohammedan version of Paradise turns out to be true, I'd rather roast in hell.

"...Allah Paak is waiting for you,"

So, supposedly, was the Boogie Man, when I was five years old. Your point would be...?

"forget about the friday night binges"

I'm told that if one drinks enough, one generally does forget.

"the excesses of alcohol and drugs and sleeze"

I rarely drink. I don't do drugs, and I will never submit to 'illah'. If someone thinks I'm sleazy, that is his or her problem, not mine.

You really are a piece of work, Naseem. You're going to have to change your own attitudes, if you truly expect to sway anyone with Da'wa. As it stands, you're a cold, misogynistic bigot. I know I said it, at the top of this post, but it bears repeating. And repeating.

Posted by: Abscedere at December 30, 2007 6:32 PM

Ditto, Abscedere.

Posted by: imamerican at December 30, 2007 7:26 PM

Does anyone really think that the true God could be so cold as to allow the people of Islam to live their crappy lives the way they do here on the earth and then after taking away God's right to say what day they will leave this earth, which is His alone, they kill themselves and then go to some kind of sexual paradise? Only an idiot would buy into that logic.

Sex cannot replace the face of God. Sex is an appetite that needs constant refueling. It does not permanently satisfy. To equate sexual delight, which is a very temporary satisfaction, with everlasting bliss in the presence of the God Who loves you eternally, is just ridiculous.

Naseem, your sex-based and drenched belief system will never satisfy the deeper yearnings of the human heart. And that yearning that is written on every human heart, defies your Islamic non-logic. That is why Christian knights gave their lives rather than submit to Islam.

Islam is the empty roll of toilet paper that is what one finds when they stumble into the bathroom while suffering from dysentery. It mocks their pain and offers no relief because honestly, how ever could it? Nasseem, you are so debauched by your beliefs that you must try and bring everyone down with you. After all, misery loves company. What you don't understand is that your stereotype of the American woman as some sort of drug crazed whore is amusing, especially to those of us who have successfully raised our children by ourselves , supported our families by working or running a business, is just wishful thinking. You have no idea how simple some of us live and how our moral superiority and integrity could kick yours to the curb on any given day.

But you go on believing what you will, and I'll go on praying for you. You are going to love being a Catholic. Midnight Mass on Christmas Eve, Gregorian Chant, the Rosary, prayers to St. Jude, St. Michael and St. Joseph, helping the poor souls; all this will fill your soul with deep consolation, and horror at your former life and that of your Muslim friends and neighbors. But do no despair; God immediately forgives a sincere penitent. You don't have to worry about the wrath of Allah because Jesus Christ will chain him in hell for all eternity where he belongs. And Christ will open His arms to you and give you the peace that you could never find honoring Allah.

Too bad no one told little Aqsa about the true God, the God of love and foregiveness, before she was murdered by an Allah follower. May she rest in peace.

Posted by: Isabellathecrusader at December 30, 2007 7:40 PM

@Naseem
We have had this discussion before. You did not head my invitation. The issue in a nut shell is who is the real God, we should honor. There are many ways that this can be looked at.

You say that Allah is the real God. Yet you offer no proof. As a matter of fact (and I have looked in to it) everything Islam offers is a lie and deception. The reason why I can say this is because the real God let his will known long before Mohammad came along. You say that all that was written before has been changed. Yet you offer no proof. Mohammad said this lie so his lies would have some validity.

Here is the difference between what Islam offers and what Christ offers. Islam offers death, nothing else. Christ offers life, eternal life. Now which would you think is the better. BTW you don't have to do anything to get this life just believe. Islam by contrast says do this or that and maybe you will be rewarded. Some may hope or wish for something after this life but only Jesus offers eternal life right now.

Below is proof that whatChrist offers is far better than anything that Allah can offer.

Romans 3:23
For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.
Romans 6:23
For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Romans 5:8
God demonstrates His own love for us, in that while we were yet sinners Christ died for us!
Romans 10:13
Whoever will call on the name of the Lord will be saved!
Romans 10:9,10
...If you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Jesus from the dead, you shall be saved; for with the heart man believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation.

الرومان 3:23
للجميع قد اخطأ ، وتقصر عن مجد الله.
الرومان 6:23
لالاجور الخطيئة هو الموت ، لكن هبة الله فهي الحياة الابديه من خلال يسوع المسيح ربنا.
الرومان 5:8
الله يثبت بنفسه الحب بالنسبة لنا ، في حين ان نحن بعد خطأه مات المسيح لبنا!
الرومان 10:13
من ستطلب باسم الرب سيتم حفظها!
الرومان 10:9،10
... اذا كنت اعترف مع فمك الرب يسوع ، وأمنت في قلبك ان الرب يسوع التي اثيرت من بين الاموات ، فانك تكون انقذت ؛ لمع قلب رجل يعتقد ، مما اسفر عن الصواب ، والفم مع انه يعترف ، مما ادى الى في الخلاص

Christ only is to be worshiped as the true, real and living God. Allah by contrast is a false usurper and represents the opposite of what God is in nature, character and power.

Posted by: Im.mad.as.HELL! at December 30, 2007 10:45 PM

Assalamau Laikum all,

Abscedere says "Perhaps Naseems will come and go, as well"...

Yes, this is well understood by me ....so what?

For your information I am not a misogynistic bigot...I am a muslima.....being a woma myself...why would I hate womankind?

What I do know is that Western society does not treat it's womens correctly.

The binge drinking, smoking etc (coupled with your falling birthrate) is essentially true...there is statistical proof of this...you know this yet you deny it don't you.

Only Islam can bring order to your lives....how can you know if you have not tried it?...simply peddelling lies about will not do.

Posted by: Naseem at December 31, 2007 12:53 AM

"today we dump a girlfriend by text message, then a new one texts you." -- Naseem

Sorry you were dumped Naseem, and in such a thoughtless manner.

Posted by: alexon at December 31, 2007 2:44 AM

"What I do know is that Western society does not treat it's womens correctly."

I guess we have to decide what constitutes society treating women correctly.

I'm sure there are women in the west who do not treat themselves correctly, but living in the west and having the freedom to make choices, make mistakes and learn from them is definitely a gift. Not so in Muslim societies. The true God trusts human beings enough to give them a freewill and allows them to make choices and mistakes, with the correlating consequences. He doesn't kill them for it. Not so in Muslim countries.

Naseem, can you honestly say that you are not a misogynist when you promote a belief system that allows men to rape women whom you deem disobedient? I guess I'm a little confused here...if a woman has sex outside of marriage she is to be punished by rape and death. If a young virgin in your society is taken against her will and impregnated by one of your holy Muslim men, (who knows that it's against the law to do so, but does it anyway,) she must be punished for his crime with death or with multiple lashes, (which is the same thing.) If a married woman has an affair she must be punished by stoning to death. So what I'm seeing here is that if women have sex, except with the man they are married to, they bring upon themselves a death sentence.

Now let's turn it around. If a man in your society rapes a woman he can lie and if she can't provide the four witnesses required, she is punished. If a man has sex with a young boy it's okay because he can threaten the young boy with death if he tells anyone and if no one finds out, there was no crime committed, right? If a man has sex with another man, as long as he is doing the penetrating, he's not a homosexual, which is a crime punishable by death, right?

Now let's look at what a Muslim woman has to look forward to: she's not allowed to have sex outside of marriage, but once married, she is obligated to have sex whenever hubby is feeling frisky. If she doesn't, then the angels curse her all night long. (Am I getting this right?) If hubby is a selfish pig and wants two wives, not just one, he can bring the new one on board anytime and wife # 1 has no say in it whatsoever. Can you imagine having two wives living under one roof, with the one that replaced the first wife in the husband's affections holding it over the first wife's head? Naseem, your society is really growing on me!

I suppose in a society that is shame based, instead of honor based, it matters less what you do, more what you try to cover up. No wonder your men are so angry, Naseem. They feel so guilty about the crimes they've committed against the human race yet they can find no relief because to admit they did something wrong blows your whole idea of what honor is. How unfortunate that your people don't have the benefit of being able to confess their sins and be absolved from them when they are truly sorry. You can't imagine how good it feels to get rid of those sins rather than drag them around with you for multiple decades. I guess for your society it's easier to keep pretending like nothing is wrong and keep killing and imprisoning and eradicating anyone or anything that gets in the way of "how it looks."

"Only Islam can bring order to your lives."

Don't you really mean Only Islam can control every aspect of your life? And that would be good, remind me why?

Posted by: Isabellathecrusader at December 31, 2007 11:40 AM

NASEEM, YOU ARE STILL GULLIBLE!

WHY WOULD ANY INTELLIGENT CHRISTIAN GIVE UP THE
WONDERFUL LOVING GOD IN THE BIBLE TO WORSHIP A god (PURPOSELY LEFT IN lower case!) WHO HATES, DESTROYS, BELITTLES, PRACTICES REVENGE AND MAKES FEMALES WEAR THE UGLY, ICKY, SELF-DEMOTING BURQUA OR THE HEADSCARF WHICH COVERS UP GLORIOUS HAIR?

MILLIONS OF CHRISTIAN WOMEN ARE MORAL, GOOD PEOPLE WITHOUT HAVING TO COVER THEMSELVES UP IN GUNNYSACKS. SURE THERE ARE A FEW BAD CHRISTIANS, BUT THERE ARE ALSO BAD MUSLIMS. THE BASIC DIFFERENCE IS THAT YOU KILL YOURS WITH NO JUSTICE BUT WE GIVE THEM THEIR DAY IN COURT.

Posted by: youngtimer at December 31, 2007 12:11 PM

"Abscedere says "Perhaps Naseems will come and go, as well"...

"Yes, this is well understood by me ....so what?"

Exactly. You don't care about this little girl's having been murdered by her own father, because you care nothing for even your own life. Your life was given to you, a gift from God, as was Aqsa's to her.

Aqsa's father was the provider of half of her genetic makeup, and that is all. He did not give her life, and he had no right to take it from her.

She was not threatening his life (the condition of being alive, as opposed to his reputation). He had no right to take hers.

She was not threatening the life of any member of his family. He had no right to take hers.

She wasn't a lower animal, owned by him. He had no right to kill her.

"For your information I am not a misogynistic bigot...I am a muslima.....being a woma myself...why would I hate womankind?"

Exactly. A woman who can write off the death of a mere child at the hands of her father, is the worst kind of misogynist. Except, of course, for the woman who actively approves of this sort of murder.

"What I do know is that Western society does not treat it's womens correctly."

Exactly. You are a bigot. You know nothing of the kind.

Again and again, Naseem, you lay before us the same indictments against our much-varied societies. In doing so, you prove your lack of knowledge. You parrot what you have been told.

"The binge drinking, smoking etc (coupled with your falling birthrate)..."

How many crazed jihadis do you think Aqsa's father cheated his illah of, when he killed that potential childbearer?

LOL "Womb Jihad" is a double-edged blade. There is the jihad against the West via the womb of the Mohammedan Woman, and then there is the jihad against the Woman (the womb) by the Mohammedan Man.

Which do you think will win? I think it could go either way--Mohammedan women are dropping like flies at the hands of their male 'protectors'.

"There is statistical proof of this...you know this yet you deny it don't you."

No. I don't deny anything. I said that I rarely drink, and I don't do drugs. Many Westerners don't, and I don't think you can dig up any statistics to prove that drinking and drug usage is the norm, rather than the exception to the norm, in Western societies.

If you want to titillate yourself with imaginings of the debauched nature of another people, go ahead. Just don't try to sell it to me. I live here, and I know better.

"Only Islam can bring order to your lives....how can you know if you have not tried it?"

My life is pretty orderly, thank you. I converse with my Saviour all day long. We have our own relationship.

What on earth would motivate me to voluntarily "try" Islam? What would it save me from? How would it help me?

"simply peddelling lies about will not do."

Exactly. I searched my earlier post for lies, and found none. Perhaps you are mistaking my beliefs and convictions for lies.

Perhaps the blame for this misunderstanding lies in my stating my beliefs in straightforward sentences, but really, Naseem-- a post that is bogged down by disclaimers such as: "in my opinion..." etc. is a bore to read and a bore to write.

Besides, you know all about me, right? I'm a "wild slutty Western womens." I'm sure you know how to read what I write.

Posted by: Abscedere at December 31, 2007 1:36 PM

Assalamau Laikum Abscedere,

I have never said that I didn't care about Aqsa'a murder...I just said that they will come & go ...and that is fact.

It does not excuse the crime...merely acknowleges the reality of the situation.

Indeed I recognise that I culd become a victim...but why worry about such things. My life (and yours) is in the hands of Allah Paak.

We will all leave this earth life when he wishes...so why make it a big issue.

Life is not so precious...mostly the pain in losing it for the majority of humans is a matter of a few minutes..... it is what you do while here ...making provision for the after life that is far more important...which is where dawa comes in.

I am trying my best to pass on his holy message to you....take it while I am around!

Posted by: Naseem at December 31, 2007 2:53 PM

My life (and yours) is in the hands of Allah Paak.

We will all leave this earth life when he wishes...so why make it a big issue.

With such a perspective, then, why do Muslims make such a big issue of "lives lost in Palestine, Kashmir, Chechyna, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc.", when it's all simply Allah's will that their time had come?

Posted by: yadayada at December 31, 2007 5:13 PM

A good indication that the peace that Naseem promises us in submitting to Islam is a load of horse manure is the fact that some suicide bomber blew himself up at the hajj this year. Since we know their were no non-Muslims present, and this was a high holy day in Islamland, I guess everyone being a Muslim does not guarantee peace on earth. We already know it does not even pretened to offer goodwill to men.

Posted by: Isabellathecrusader at December 31, 2007 7:32 PM

"I have never said that I didn't care about Aqsa'a murder...I just said that they will come & go ...and that is fact."

You just don't get it, do you, Naseem?

"It does not excuse the crime...merely acknowleges the reality of the situation."

I'm not so fatalistic as you are. Your indifference doesn't excuse the crime. Your indifference exacerbates my feelings about the crime. Your indifference is a crime, in itself.

Aqsas may very well come and go--in your world. However, I will fight to make such comings and goings as 'honor killings' punishable crimes in my world. If such things are held as punishable crimes, then there will be fewer of them, and you know, I think that's a good thing.

"Indeed I recognise that I culd become a victim...but why worry about such things. My life (and yours) is in the hands of Allah Paak."

No. My life is in the hands of God the Father, who is God the Son, who is God the Holy Spirit. This does not excuse me from taking a stand on the atrocities of man's inhumanity to man, nor even on man's inhumanity to beasts.

"We will all leave this earth life when he wishes...so why make it a big issue."

You still don't get it. Life is a big issue because God makes life. God gives life. It's a gift not to be scorned, nor spurned, nor wasted, nor stolen.

"Life is not so precious...mostly the pain in losing it for the majority of humans is a matter of a few minutes"

If that is true, then why do so many violations of Shariah call for the death penalty? If life were not precious, then the possibility of losing it would not deter crimes against Shariah, would it?

If life is not precious, then I'm afraid your prophet becomes as irrelevant as anyone else, and his life's work, nothing.

"it is what you do while here ...making provision for the after life that is far more important...which is where dawa comes in."

It is what you do here, making provisions for the afterlife that is more important. This is where sinning against other souls becomes a danger. This is where attempting to make the world a better place becomes vital. This is where time is of the proverbial essence.

Cutting short one's daughter's time, just because one cannot control his temper, and is worried about the opinion of his neighbors, is not what I would recommend to the fathers of this world. Such behaviour is a crime against man and God, and probably won't earn one a place in Heaven. It might, in fact, have exactly the opposite effect.

"I am trying my best to pass on his holy message to you....take it while I am around!"

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Posted by: Abscedere at December 31, 2007 8:33 PM

"With such a perspective, then, why do Muslims make such a big issue of "lives lost in Palestine, Kashmir, Chechyna, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc.", when it's all simply Allah's will that their time had come?" -- yadayada

Yes, not to mention teddy bears and cartoons.

Such agony!

Posted by: alexon at December 31, 2007 10:04 PM

"I am trying my best to pass on his holy message to you....take it while I am around!"

OR ELSE!

Posted by: alexon at December 31, 2007 10:06 PM

Is anyone else getting tired of Naseem's garbage? I read it to be polite, but nothing she says makes sense. Islam lacks a foundation of TRUTH! It is based completely on falsehoods! If anything, she makes me appreciate Christianity all the more! (Thank God for Christianity!!!!)

Posted by: youngtimer at January 1, 2008 10:43 PM