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More work for poor, heavily burdened Ibrahim Hooper: after he has straightened out all those Turkish misunderstanders of Islam, he will have to trek to Pakistan to introduce this imam to Islam's true, peaceful teachings. And maybe when he gets back he can explain to us how it is that so many Islamic clerics, who have devoted their lives to studying the Qur'an and Hadith, seem to get it so drastically wrong -- and all in the same way.
"Cleric’s chilling warning to UK," by Oliver Harvey for The Sun (thanks to John):
A FANATICAL Pakistani cleric told The Sun yesterday of his chilling dream to turn the world Muslim – by force if necessary.Qari Hifzur Rehamn, 60, spoke openly of imposing Islamic law’s stoning and beheading on Britain – as Pakistan was rocked by unrest over the assassination of Benazir Bhutto.
He warned: “We want Islamic law for all Pakistan and then the world.
“We would like to do this by preaching. But if not then we would use force.”
Rehamn, 60, spoke in the Pakistani town of Kahuta as the call to prayer echoed over the dusty streets.
He is Imam of the town’s fundamentalist religious school or madrassa, where classes for kids as young as nine include Jihad or Holy War and barbaric punishments.
His teachings are frightening enough. But his mosque lies in the shadow of the secret bunker where Pakistan produces nuclear weapons.
And when asked if it would be right to nuke British infidels, he laughed and answered: “Probably.”
Rehamn, in a flowing grey beard and turban, explained Islamic, or Sharia Law as we sat surrounded by some of his 250 students.
He said: “Adulterers who are married should be buried in earth to the waist and stoned to death.
“Homosexuals must be killed – it’s the only way to stop them spreading. It should be by beheading or stoning, which the general public can do.
“Thieves should have their hands cut off. Women should remain indoors and films and pop music should be banned.”
So what does he think of Britain? The dad insisted: “The nonbelievers must be converted to Islam. Morals in your society, with women wearing revealing clothes, have gone wrong.”
Read it all.
Posted by Robert at December 31, 2007 6:40 PM
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The frightening thing is that MILLIONS believe this, and desire the same for us all, EVEN here, in Bilal ul-Kafir, The Lands of the Infidel.
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at December 31, 2007 6:57 PM
Especially frightening is, dissembling words aside, the Ibrahim Hoopers of the world number among this multitude of "believers."
Posted by: John C at December 31, 2007 7:01 PM
"We would like to do this by preaching. But if not then we would use force.”
Well that just about sums up Islam.
Posted by: Sounder at December 31, 2007 7:10 PM
Now Now...you know Dougie would say:
"Spencerities are to blame!"
Its the fastest growing religion in the world!
at December 31, 2007 7:14 PM
""The frightening thing is that MILLIONS believe this, and desire the same for us all, EVEN here, in Bilal ul-Kafir, The Lands of the Infidel.""
No,the frightening thing is that the leader of the war on no name terror is an idiot who hasn't figured this out yet and continues to sacrafice Israel to this cult of death.
What goes around comes around and we're going to get back in spades what we are dishing out to Israel by way of Bush's counterfeit peace scam wherein he rewards the Ilsamic terrorists fighting to destroy Israel.
at December 31, 2007 7:17 PM
He must be an Islamophobe, no wait, he's a Muslim.
Posted by: leonthepigfarmer at December 31, 2007 7:22 PM
Islam is the religion of peace.
The peace of the grave for infidels.
Posted by: tanstaafl at December 31, 2007 7:46 PM
Pity the poor Muslims, for they learn war from infancy, they learn to hate without compassion, they learn to kill without mercy. They learn to die, while their leaders bask in the lap of luxury unfathomed by the masses. Pity the poor Muslims, for it is for them to embrace death so that the mullahs can cling to their power over them.
Posted by: DeadRecknoning at December 31, 2007 7:52 PM
Lets give em'a state....wait, they already have a state.....with nukes !
What's It gonna take to wake up the whole damn world to this ?
I think muslims will nuke something somewhere within the next few years, maybe then the libtards will come on board ? The next two years will be very Interesting.
Happy New year Everybody !
at December 31, 2007 7:57 PM
Psychopath, sociopaths - the Ummah seems to produce them in abundance. Anyone who can laugh at the prospect of atomic warfare, is a psychopath.
It's not just pop music. It's ALL music they'd want to silence, eventually - the Vienna Philharmonic and Kiri Te Kanawa, right along with the pop tarts. (But doubtless behind the walls of the palaces the Lords of Misrule would secretly indulge, as they always do, in the pleasures that they deny to the masses and to the dhimmis).
It's not just porn films. It would be ALL films. (Except that, again, behind the palace walls, the corrupt rulers would watch blue movies and hardcore porn with impunity, betcha).
And only those of us in the know understand that women in "revealing clothes", for this bizarrely sociopathic Pakistani Muslim cleric, isn't just a bikini girl on Page Three, or a silly pop tart or Paris Hilton or pole dancer, or a girl in an Amsterdam window - it's any and every Infidel woman wearing normal Infidel street clothes, be she in Asian, Western or African garb, be she a jeans-clad soccer mom, a power-suited New York lawyer, a Pacific Islander in a grass skirt, a Hindu Balinese in a sarong, an Indian bride in her sari, or a Shanghai socialite in her elegant cheong sam.
It's a respectable Christian matron like me, walking down the street in jeans and a T-shirt, with my hair in a pony-tail - or a nun, since her *face* is uncovered! - or an Amishwoman, like Kelly McGillis playing Rachel Lapp in the film "Witness", with her neatly bunned hair visible under her little lace cap.
This laughing madman would be perfectly willing to unleash upon the world the poisonous hell of atomic warfare, and what for? - in order to force three billion non-Muslim women into purdah and the veil and the harem, and in order that he and others like him can revel in the ecstatic power trip of stoning adulterers and homosexuals, cutting off hands and heads, pouring out blood on the earth to feed his murderous music-hating, life-hating 'allah'.
Russia, China, America, India - if you care about your women folk at all, if you value an un-poisoned planet, SQUASH THIS GUY AND HIS ILK, AND GET THE NUKES OUT OF HIS HANDS, and out of the hands of any and every Muslim, forever and always, fast!!
Posted by: dumbledoresarmy at December 31, 2007 8:13 PM
That's mainstream Islam for you.
Posted by: Wimbledon Womble at December 31, 2007 8:24 PM
Dumbledore,
The nukes are not IN his hands. They are in a secure location, scrupulously guarded by the Pakistani Army and not at all affected by the recent unrest. What is urgent is bringing stability back to Pakistan, and bringing democracy to the people so that they do not resort to frustrated riots. The Pakistani Army will take care of the nukes.
Posted by: Shlomo_Michael at December 31, 2007 8:25 PM
Assalamau Laikum all,
Happy new year to ya all.
Hifur is now saying what I have said for a while....(minus the force bit ofcourse)...Pak must have shariat. As muslims we deserve no less, if it was good enough in the day of the prophet....then it's divinity cannot be ignored.
I remember my local imam's story. When Muhd SAW explained shariat to one of his closest confidont...he started crying. Whem Muhd SAW asked why he was crying he said.."Perfection can only soiled...not bettered".
I mean these are peoples with PBUH, SAW and RA behind their names...they are the best of the best...ignore them and you afterlife could be up for grabs.
Posted by: Naseem at December 31, 2007 8:33 PM
How many of you think Pak will be utterly destroyed if it falls under the controll of an open threat to the Uk or America. I think you know what "utterly destroyed" means.
Posted by: ethoman at December 31, 2007 8:44 PM
"We would like to do this by preaching. But if not then we would use force.”
Since no moral or intellegent person could possibly pespond favorably to the message of Islam, it appears that force is the only option left.
It never ceases to amaze me that these Muslim clerics can foam at the mouth with moral ingignation at the sight of a women's ankle or sexual indiscretion, but stoning and beheading can't seem to touch the basic human instincts of compassion for the sufferings of another human beign.
In fact, they seem to glory in the sufferings of others.
Call me an Islamophobe, but there is clearly a spiritual wickedness in a religion that can't tell the difference between what's obviously evil and what's obviously good.
Posted by: rational
at December 31, 2007 9:06 PM
Naseem
"ignore them and you afterlife could be up for grabs."
If the god of the muslims is the ture god then I would rather be in hell. That is where all the women will be anyway if Islam is the true religion...
at December 31, 2007 9:10 PM
The frightening thing is that MILLIONS believe this, and desire the same for us all, EVEN here, in Bilal ul-Kafir, The Lands of the Infidel.
Posted by: John C at December 31, 2007 6:57 PM
What is more frightining things, if you can see, are:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2001/09/20010917-11.html
http://www.fbi.gov/congress/congress06/vanduyn092006.htm
http://www.fbi.gov/pressrel/pressrel02/director021302.htm
http://www.dhs.gov/xabout/structure/editorial_0505.shtm
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=52962
Posted by: Alert at December 31, 2007 9:24 PM
This is sweet news for canada because several pakistani film markers and advocates have bashed canada for being Racist and islamophobic when we rounded-up 19 Illegals on fake Documents that were all pakistani males travelling alone, and then last year we arrested 17 pakistani Males plotting a massive slaughter of Civilians in Toronto and a take-over of our Parliament .
One film maker called the arrests and the deportation as Racial profiling because Pakistan has never produce 1 single terrorist or had terrorism attacks on their soil because islam is a peacful faith and Muslim their aren't violent.
I guess it's time for Mark Steyn to file a counter Suit for the incitement of hatred towarsds non-Muslims in canada which fostered the CIC complaint by Elmasry to the CHRC as a hate-crime , one 40 minute taqqiya-umentory had pieces of Staged-Oppression in Canada and mislead the viewers over the 19 men that were "Illegals" that had bogus passports and forged ID to get the passports.
WE now know that CAIR gloated over 9/11 being done by non-America muslims and that national security was to blame , so why wait for these idiots to slaughter us just because their favourite Whine of choice during ramadan is " Racial profiling" , or the bubbly but now stale Whine form 2002 " Islmaophobia" , and don't forget this years harvest for the " islam had nothing to do with it" Whine.
I don't CAIR anymore if they are offended , and it's not my fault that the vast majority of Terrorists and illegals getting deported are Muslims.
So CAIR should focus on ending the flood of Misunderstanders of Islam that enter the USA and smaer the good name of Muhammad and islam.
Over to you Hooper........"What your favourite Whine BTW Dougie?" , I wait for the answer but we know it already .
at December 31, 2007 9:40 PM
Assalamau Laikum Naseem
Looks like your brethren have been busy in Thailand. 27 blown up and injured and one 70 year old man shot dead.
Happy new year
http://leonthepigfarmer.blogspot.com/
at December 31, 2007 9:48 PM
"Happy new year to ya all."
And they say Mohammedans have no sense of humor. LOL
"Hifur is now saying what I have said for a while"
We know, we know (yawn).
"Pak must have shariat."
Okay. Whatever floats your boat, so long as it stays in Pakistan.
"As muslims we deserve no less,"
And no more, to be sure. May all the tiresome trappings and inventions from the free world be removed from your wonderful country, this year. Then you can live real Mohammedan lives.
Be kept indoors all day, except when you don your shroud and venture out with a male 'protector'. Compete with all of your husbands' wives. Wipe your fannies with rocks. Clean your teeth with a stick, eschew soap as something impure.
The very best of all, will be the self denigration you espouse, knowing you will never be "pure", as men are (I know it would rock my world, to have my man bathe himself after being intimate with me). It all sounds like a real picnic for you. Enjoy!
"if it was good enough in the day of the prophet....then it's divinity cannot be ignored."
Try not to drool, Naseem.
By your standard, my ancestors, some of whom were animist pagans, and others who were Celtic polytheists, worshiped in ways that were every bit as...uh..."divine". The difference, of course, is that my family evolved in their worship habits (and some in their non-worship habits), throughout the centuries.
"I remember my local imam's story. When Muhd SAW explained shariat to one of his closest confidont...he started crying. Whem Muhd SAW asked why he was crying he said.."Perfection can only soiled...not bettered"."
This is so touching! Which of your prophet's companions would that have been? Did you hear this story directly from your imam, or was it something your grandfather, father, brother, son, male cousin, uncle, or husband told you, on a Friday evening after the sermon at the mosque, when he was feeling generous enough to share this information with a mere woman?
"I mean these are peoples with PBUH, SAW and RA behind their names"
Men give titles, ask blessings, and invoke their gods. All this PBUH, SAW, and RA makes for tedious reading. No wonder so few people have read the Qur'an. These titles and invocations mean nothing more than anything else men say, and they're a nuisance, besides.
It's all just a part of the obsessive-compulsive feature of the sickness that is Islam. Just like the silly poses and gestures in the repetitive prayers which must be done just so, five times a day.
"they are the best of the best"
Did you come to this conclusion on your own, or are you just repeating what a male authority figure told you, third hand?
"ignore them and you afterlife could be up for grabs."
Ignore them? It's so much more fun to mock them, and the exercise keeps my own faith strong. So, keep 'em coming, Naseem. I'm beginning to enjoy your fairytales about Mohammed and his illah.
Posted by: Abscedere at December 31, 2007 9:49 PM
This Pakistiani cleric should be happy if his nation is still in one piece. With things goin the way they have, Pakistian could be in for a civil war in 2008. Just a simple prediction.
Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at December 31, 2007 10:04 PM
"if it was good enough in the day of the prophet...."
Now there is the problem right there. Islam regards itself as revealed truth, valid for all time and place and completely non-negotiable. That might be acceptable if Islam only concerned itself with metaphysical and soteriological claims. But Islam wants to assert sovereignty over all aspects of human behaviour, society and knowledge in the quest for an imaginary 7th century utopia where nothing ever changes. I think it's fair to say that Christianity never really did this but rather contented itself with trying to influence changing political realities - from feudalism and monarchy to capitalism and democracy. That's one reason why the West, historically, could move so far ahead of the Islamic world.
The trouble with trying to fix a society is that it will always be in conflict with reality, which never ceases changing. The more Islam tries to immobilize it's values and attitudes, the more the surrounding societies, that remain dynamic, will eventually outbid and outmanouvre it. The Islamic world would be dragged along anyway.
Islam is too big to put it's head in the sand and pretend that the world never changes. It's also too covetous of other people's lands and possessions. The only thing that Islam is to try and overwhelm everyone and everything that contradicts it's fixed worldview. That basically means it has to convert or subjugate by persuasion or co-oercion everything that could threaten it. Which is what, I guess, the rest of the world the rest of the world is experiencing right now.
The other alternative, should Islam see itself as failing to gain supremacy, would be to seek the means to reduce the world to ashes. That would be the ultimate apocalyptic victory for Islam. If there were no more changing mortals left then Allah's law could reign eternally unchallenged
Posted by: zaltys at December 31, 2007 10:38 PM
"Pak must have shariat. As muslims we deserve no less..."
You know Naseem, I think you're right. You do deserve to live under Sharia. It will make you appreciate your conversion that much more.
"We want Qari Hifzur Rehamn to kiss our asses, first mine, and then all the non-Muslims in the world. We would like to do this by preaching. But if not then we would use force.”
(See William Wallace's message to the English commander before the battle of Stirling in Braveheart.)
Posted by: Isabellathecrusader at December 31, 2007 11:34 PM
Make sure the next prez also runs to the mosque, takes his shoes off and declares Islam is 'a RoP' after we get nuked.
We are insane. We are truly insane. When you switch on the idiot box you see nothing but trivia, ballgames and politically correct BS, our whole society is degenerated.
Here's Mark Steyn:
http://sheikyermami.com/2007/12/31/steyn-multiculti-is-a-cult-of-ignorance/
at January 1, 2008 12:57 AM
So what does he think of Britain? The dad insisted: “The nonbelievers must be converted to Islam. Morals in your society, with women wearing revealing clothes, have gone wrong.”
Keep it comin', dad. Keep on giving us the unadulterated pure Islamic wisdom for all to see. Tell us what kind of punishment is sanctioned (don't be afraid to be graphic and explicit); tell us what your goals are and how you will accomplish them; tell us what we have to do to avoid punishment; tell us why Islam is incompatible with decadent Western concepts such as "democracy" and "religious tolerance" and "gender equality". Most of all, give us the specific Qur'anic quotations to support what you're saying. Keep it comin', some of us (including top Administration officials) are still reading at a third grade level and haven't gotten the message yet. Keep it comin', dad.
Posted by: special_guest at January 1, 2008 1:29 AM
Oh, I'm moving to Pak. I've got to get there. I want my little piece of Heaven; especially, when sharia lite comes to pass. Panglosian heaven.
Posted by: breezy55 at January 1, 2008 1:31 AM
If Muslims want the Sharia, then let them have it. But, they have no right to impose Sharia on others.
If anything infidel is anathema to Islam, then let such Muslims go back to their camel-commuting and lizard-eating days. Let them give up their life of modernity and technology.
If they want to have a profiteer, a paedophile and a womaniser as a "prophet" let them have it for themselves. Let them not seek "forced company" for their backwardness.
Yes, Naseem, if you want a right to your ignorance and backwardness, we the wise have our right to knowledge, development and happiness. Your low charactered "prophet" has no business to tell me what to believe or what not to believe.
Posted by: proud-hindu at January 1, 2008 1:51 AM
"I remember my local imam's story. When Muhd SAW explained shariat to one of his closest confidont...he started crying. Whem Muhd SAW asked why he was crying he said.."Perfection can only soiled...not bettered". "
The bloke probably cried because he found himself trapped in a dangerous religion. But he did not have the courage to tell his profiteer (er..prophet) the truth.
Posted by: proud-hindu at January 1, 2008 1:55 AM
There are multitudes within this wide world who have initials behind their names. They are nothing. So am I. So are you. So are they.
What makes you so special that you can say I am wrong? Or even those on this site of differing relegions who claim to be right? They are not. I am not. You are not.
Oh, I don't even know why I bothered. That means getting into areas that most won't explore or simply refuse to.
Posted by: breezy55 at January 1, 2008 2:07 AM
Good one, proud-hindu. You know more than I, if you have lived among that mess. Good for you.
Posted by: breezy55 at January 1, 2008 2:16 AM
'shlomo' (sic) -
I don't share your touching faith in the Pakistani army, not at all, at all, at all.
You see, I know that it was a general in that army, Brigadier-General S K Malik, who wrote a truly unpleasant - but rather enlightening, for Infidels - book entitled, "The Quranic Concept of War" (1979), which was praised by General Zia.
Here is a little from Lieut. Col. Joseph Myer's detailed review of Malik's book:
'Malik’s divine principal of Islamic warfare may be restated as “strike terror; never feel terror.” The ultimate objective of this form of warfare “revolves around the human heart, [the enemies] soul, spirit, and Faith.” Terror “can be instilled only if the opponent’s Faith is destroyed . . . . It is essential in the ultimate analysis, to dislocate [the enemies] Faith.” Those who are firm in their religious conviction are immune to terror, “a weak Faith offers inroads to terror.”
'Therefore, as part of preparations for jihad, actions will be oriented on weakening the non-Islamic’s “Faith,” while strengthening the Islamic’s. What that weakening or “dislocation” entails in practice remains ambiguous.
'Malik concludes, “Psychological dislocation is temporary; spiritual dislocation is permanent.” The soul of man can only be touched by terror.'
It strikes me that Brig. Gen. Malik's view of the world, and of warfare, is perfectly congruent with the view of the world expressed by Qari Hifzur Rehamn.
Food for thought.
Posted by: dumbledoresarmy at January 1, 2008 3:06 AM
Muslims impose:
- Intolerant "Islam".
- Political "Caliphat".
- Legal "Sharia".
....... and US president/commander-in-chief parrots this:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2001/09/20010917-11.html
.. at his wahhabbi master's orders, with his dads permission. Good Luck in 2008, America. With Hillary "adultry-no-problem" Clinton, Barak "Hussein" Obama , Rudy "Sanctuary" Juiliani running for elections 2008, you'll need it.
at January 1, 2008 3:06 AM
... and then the rest of the world.
They're always just barely coming awake. Aware of the abomination that they are. Is nobody conscious across the 5 minutes that is Islam?
Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer at January 1, 2008 4:30 AM
Isabellathecrusader
"See William Wallace's message to the English commander before the battle of Stirling in Braveheart."
Nerdey detail.
Might be appropriate, but there is no contempory evidence he actually said it as he was dead 100 years before anyone wrote about him. Movies are not very good on facts which spoil a good story.
Posted by: Fred at January 1, 2008 4:50 AM
"We want Qari Hifzur Rehamn to kiss our asses, first mine, and then all the non-Muslims in the world. We would like to do this by preaching. But if not then we would use force.”
Posted by: Isabellathecrusader
Isabella,
I think I love you.
at January 1, 2008 4:51 AM
I mean these are peoples with PBUH, SAW and RA behind their names...they are the best of the best...ignore them and you afterlife could be up for grabs.
Posted by: Naseem
Naseem, people with post-nominal letters such as
DPhil, PhD, MD, EngD, DD, MA, MSc, MRes, MEng, MSocSc, LLM, MMath, MAcc, MFin, MBA, MEd, BA, BSc, LLB, BEng.
without these people you wouldn't have a life, never mind an afterlife. You wouldn't be communicating as you now do.
PBUH, SAW and RA mean nothing for the future. The civilised West is trying to drag Muslims into the future, but Muslims want to (with force if necessary) drag civilisation back to the past.
It just doesn't make sense. Life, and the way you live it are what counts, not the unknowable "afterlife".
Posted by: Dsinc at January 1, 2008 5:19 AM
Happy New Year one and all...
“Homosexuals must be killed – it’s the only way to stop them spreading. It should be by beheading or stoning, which the general public can do'.
So this guy has it all figured out, homosexuality is a disease, that spreads, and can be cured by stoning.
Is that some more Islamic science?
This would be funny if not that he was serious.
I wonder how it is that homosexuality 'spreads' in Islam?
at January 1, 2008 6:53 AM
Back in 1667, the Zaporozhian Cossacks defeated a Turkish army that had been sent in to the south of Russia. In spite of his defeat, the Turkish Sultan, Mehmed IV, sent a letter to the Cossacks, demanding their surrender.
The letter went like this:
As the Sultan; son of Muhammad; brother of the Sun and Moon; grandson and viceroy of God; ruler of the kingdoms of Macedonia, Babylon, Jerusalem, Upper and Lower Egypt; emperor of emperors; sovereign of sovereigns; extraordinary knight, never defeated; steadfast guardian of the tomb of Jesus Christ; trustee chosen by God himself; the hope and comfort of Muslims; confounder and great defender of Christians—I command you, the Zaporozhian Cossacks, to submit to me voluntarily and without any resistance, and to desist from troubling me with your attacks.
The Cossacks sent a reponse by letter to the Sultan.
*** WARNING, the Cossack's response contains coarse language, but is otherwise delightful :) ***
http://turbanbomb.blogspot.com/2007/09/surrender-up-yours.html
Posted by: Mike_W at January 1, 2008 7:33 AM
"allah" is Satan and muhammad is a stinkin' demon.
Posted by: CGW at January 1, 2008 7:44 AM
“Homosexuals must be killed – it’s the only way to stop them spreading. It should be by beheading or stoning, which the general public can do'.
So this guy has it all figured out, homosexuality is a disease, that spreads, and can be cured by stoning.
Is that some more Islamic science?
This would be funny if not that he was serious.
I wonder how it is that homosexuality 'spreads' in Islam?
Posted by: duh_swami
It must be spread by all the Iranian homosexuals leaving Iran and moving to Pakistan, because as we all know, there are no homosexuals in Iran.
Posted by: ImNoDhimmi at January 1, 2008 9:14 AM
Some 40% of Muslims who have British nationality, would like shari'a in Britain - ie these are Muslims who openly state this. The real figure is likely to be around 80% to 90%. We have situation here that is so serious that "catastrophic" does not adequately describe it.
The existential threat hanging over us is not the terrorist one but the demographic one. All Muslims have to do now is to let time takes its course. How do we counter this threat, while all Muslims have to do is to pose to be liberal, democratic, tolerant etc, and wait till the numbers alone dictate the implementation of shari’a.
Posted by: DP111 at January 1, 2008 10:47 AM
A civil war looms in Pakistan. Lets see, won't a civil war involve different points of view struggling for control of the bombs? Which side will prevail..the side that takes our money and pretends to be our friend but is riddled with Islamist ISI and army officers or the side that openly hates us but will still be offered our money anyway by an administration that doesn't know the difference and doesn't care.
This islamist fire, burning in several areas worldwide is going to worsen until some nation or nations sprays some water on it...so to speak.
at January 1, 2008 11:31 AM
There has been an increasing set of articles in the press (India and the world) sympathizing "Benazir" and hailing her as the martyr of democracy.
Please read the link for an eye-opener on her contributions to "ethnic" cleansing of hundreds of Kashmiri Pandits in India.
http://www.rediff.com/news/2007/dec/31gautier.htm
at January 1, 2008 11:45 AM
There has been an increasing set of articles in the press (India and the world) sympathizing "Benazir" and hailing her as the martyr of democracy.
Please read the link for an eye-opener on her contributions to "ethnic" cleansing of hundreds of Kashmiri Pandits in India.
http://www.rediff.com/news/2007/dec/31gautier.htm
at January 1, 2008 11:45 AM
Mike_W,
I remember seeing the Repin painting before, seems colorful and exotic; but I never read the letter the Zaporozhians busied themselves to write, until you shared it with us now. I think it's ticklishly, riotously funny! How very un-PC!
Now that the learned Dr. G. Marranci says that we "Spencerdanists" are forming our own "virtual militia," perhaps we can style ourselves as a Cossack band and send HIM a similarly insulting, deflating letter--I like such frolicsome flights of the imagination!
Posted by: John C at January 1, 2008 12:11 PM
Pak must have shariat. As muslims we deserve no less, if it was good enough in the day of the prophet....then it's divinity cannot be ignored.
by Naseem
So have it. Who's stopping you? Just leave the rest of us alone! Pakistanis in the rest of the world are free to return to Pakistan for the shariat. No one will stop them.
I mean these are peoples with PBUH, SAW and RA behind their names...they are the best of the best...ignore them and you afterlife could be up for grabs.
I'll worry about my own afterlife, thank you. You worry about yours. Get that speck out of your own eye before you try to fix mine.
at January 1, 2008 12:27 PM
When will the term "islamphobia" have a good connotation, When will the appellation be worn as a badge of honor instead of the derogatory one the CAIR merry pranksters give it? When someone says what are you "islamaphobic?" perhaps we should reply yes, I am islamaphobic and yes I am fearful of islam and you should be fearful too! Look at all the atrocities being committed worldwide by muslims on a daily basis. Do you know anything about it? We need to be islamo-realistic and not islamo-ignorant and that means islamophobic is a good trait. A phobia is a healthy response to a rational fear. If someone accuses you of islamophobia, you should say yes I am and you should be afraid of islam also!
Posted by: David England at January 1, 2008 12:38 PM
Islamomisia is my thing. Islamomisia--embrace it!
Posted by: John C at January 1, 2008 12:46 PM
John C,
That blog entry about the Cossack's reply to the Sultan is one of my all time favorites and the painting is a superb touch.
I reckon the Cossacks in that painting had just heard someone suggesting as part of the reply,
"What the devil kind of knight are you, that can't slay a hedgehog with his naked arse?".
Posted by: Mike_W at January 1, 2008 12:47 PM
Yes sir, D. E., I'm an enthusiastic Islamomisiast!
Posted by: John C at January 1, 2008 12:48 PM
Yes, as far as Islamomisiasts go, I'm pretty Islamomisic.
Deus lo vult.
Posted by: John C at January 1, 2008 12:52 PM
Mike,
I had a really good laugh, then some, over that story!
Posted by: John C at January 1, 2008 1:03 PM
Ya gotta love those Cossacks.
Posted by: duh_swami at January 1, 2008 2:28 PM
Mike W.---I loved it! The painting puts you there as they roar with laughter as the missive under construction nears completion. (makes me Irish and Danish blood start to stir)
I think it is very P.C.---The perfectly correct 'political' response to the #@$%&#@ Sultan!! LOL
Posted by: guide inside at January 1, 2008 2:28 PM
Posted by: duh_swami, at January 1, 2008 2:28 PM
Posted: guide inside, at January 1, 2008 2:28 PM
Jinx, you owe me a coke:)
Posted by: duh_swami at January 1, 2008 2:32 PM
'Isabellathecrusader
"See William Wallace's message to the English commander before the battle of Stirling in Braveheart."
Nerdey detail.
Might be appropriate, but there is no contempory evidence he actually said it as he was dead 100 years before anyone wrote about him. Movies are not very good on facts which spoil a good story.'
Fred, this was not a history lesson, just a tongue-in-cheek reference for fun.
It's New Years Day. Lighten up!
Daveygreybeard,
Right back atcha'! ; )
Posted by: Isabellathecrusader at January 1, 2008 3:10 PM
Happy New Year To All!
Posted by: champ at January 1, 2008 3:46 PM
"We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity" - Ann Coulter
Every country has its fruitcakes. Scary? Hardly.
Posted by: Mick_n_NYC at January 1, 2008 3:48 PM
Naseem,
Happy 2008 to you too. Just a subtle reminder that it isn't the year 698. Please enlighten your religion on that.
Posted by: gymgal at January 1, 2008 3:54 PM
If Ann Coulter is a fruitcake, I have just fallen back in love with fruitcake. She has more brains and courage in her pinky finger than Bill and Hillary together..and throw in Harry Reid.
Posted by: pismopal at January 1, 2008 3:56 PM
Naseem,
Allah called and he said that women are Not allowed on the internet. You're in big trouble.
Just a question. How do Mohammedans know if you are representing Mo in art if they have never seen a picture of him?
Ann Coulter Rocks, I just wish she would say some really controversial stuff.
Hope your New Year is starting off right.
at January 1, 2008 5:51 PM
HinduInfide, you are very correct. the bhuttos were never friends of India or democracy. they were typical Pakistani politicians kissing up to the isalmists to retain power.
As you may know, any paki politician must kiss the asses of 3 main groups in that sorry country. 1st and mostly powerful is the military. they have the weapons and power to make or break the ruler. 2nd is the mullahs and islamists. this large and vocal group has a lot to say about the policies. and many even have the guns to back it up. 3rd are the average paki. they tend to be more moderate.
But there are two things common to all these groups. one is the support for jihad or terrorism against India. specially in Kashmir. 2nd is the support for sharia laws. or as in some cases " sharia light" as spoken by the nonmuslim ahmadya Muslim, Naseem. I say she is nonmuslim because the constitution of Pakistan defines ahmadyas as non Muslims.
So what it really comes down to is a balancing act for paki politicians. they must support jihad and terror against India but yet must not be seen to aiding the taliban or al qaeda against the usa and europe. they get too much money and militery support from them. This makes the mullahas and islamists mad not to mention many in the militery who once supported the taliban and al qaeda. If they support sharia classic this alienates the average paki population while making the mullahs happy. either way who everr is in power in pakistan is not good for India or democracy or anything else. Thats why pakistan is a basket case that needs constsnt transfusion of money and support from the outside to keep alive.
at January 2, 2008 4:02 AM
"I mean these are peoples with PBUH, SAW and RA behind their names...they are the best of the best...ignore them and you afterlife could be up for grabs.
Posted by: Naseem
Naseem, people with post-nominal letters such as
DPhil, PhD, MD, EngD, DD, MA, MSc, MRes, MEng, MSocSc, LLM, MMath, MAcc, MFin, MBA, MEd, BA, BSc, LLB, BEng.
...without these people you wouldn't have a life, never mind an afterlife. You wouldn't be communicating as you now do."
Posted by: Dsinc '
.......bwahahahahahaha.........of course you must realize Naseem is (in one way or the other) A Muslim...living a narrow minded Muslim lifestyle.....maybe one day she/he may come to realize Allah hates Muslims.....and
PBUH, SAW and RA is nothing more than self imposed recognition of the most intolerant religion on the planet....Islam..... PBUH, SAW and RA have never improved one life of one human...so it goes with Islam.....
at January 2, 2008 7:33 AM
This cleric is absolutely consistent with Qur'an passages and the Sunnah of Mohammed. First: try to convert, then subjugate, then kill.
This is how it's been understood historically as well in all major schools of Islamic thought. The same holds true for the Jihad component of the cleric's assertion.
The fact that statements like this are passed along to the public as 'chilling' shows our greatest threat. Our own collective Willful Ignorance.
Posted by: A_Plague_on_Both_Houses at January 2, 2008 2:25 PM
The thing that amazes me here, is that these imams preach abhorrance of anything "modern" (music, movies, womens clothes etc.) with the simple exception of weapons. If they really believed this horse pucky, they would be fighting against us with spears and arrows. Guns, C4, cell phone detonators, Nukes etc, etc would be haram.
Can you explain this to me Naseem? Does shariat prohibit movies, music, etc but allow modern weapons?
And what about automobiles? In fact most "modern" modes of transportation were invented long after old mo passed on. Why are imams driving around in cars and not riding camels?
Inquiring minds want to know the sublties of muslim irony.
Posted by: walterc at January 2, 2008 2:44 PM
Ol' Mo was quite interested in engines of war, like catapults. Allah highly recommends the use of such things, as long as they bear user instructions reading, "Use Only against Unbelievers." As for other handy devices, if Allah doesn't expressly or implicitly forbid it, or he issues exeptions, its all right then; it's halal, not haram.
Posted by: John C at January 2, 2008 5:56 PM
Read, "exceptions."
Posted by: John C at January 2, 2008 5:57 PM
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