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"[Ali] Dandis worked as a clerk at the Sharia courts in Hebron. Both are residents of the West Bank city, security officials said. They noted that Friday's attack was not the first time that Palestinian security officials or policemen were involved in terror attacks. Last month, Ido Zoldan was gunned down in the West Bank by Palestinian terrorists that turned out to be members of the PA security forces."
Act of war. Imagine the outrage if Israeli soldiers had killed two Fatah men under the same circumstances; indeed, there is an appalling double standard, but it also underscores the fact that the forces of any legitimate state are expected to conduct themselves with order and discipline. (Then again, it also begs the question: were they following orders?) Is "Palestine," in any form, at any point in time, to be exempt from that expectation? "'Killers were from Fatah, one was Palestinian police'," by Yaakov Katz for the Jerusalem Post:
As first published in The Jerusalem Post on Sunday , one of the terrorists who killed two Israeli hikers on Friday near Hebron is a policeman in the Palestinian National Security Force, and the other is a known Fatah operative and a close associate of the Palestinian Intelligence Service, the Shin Bet (Israel Security Service) revealed Tuesday night.
According to details of the murder of off-duty soldiers and nature enthusiasts David Rubin and Ahikam Amihai, the gunmen, Ali Dandis, 24, and Amar Taha, 26, surrendered on the day of the attack to the Palestinian security forces in Hebron out of fear that they would be caught by the IDF. They also handed over the weapons they captured from the hikers.
Dandis worked as a clerk at the Sharia courts in Hebron. Both are residents of the West Bank city, security officials said. They noted that Friday's attack was not the first time that Palestinian security officials or policemen were involved in terror attacks. Last month, Ido Zoldan was gunned down in the West Bank by Palestinian terrorists that turned out to be members of the PA security forces.
Gee, a clerk at the Sharia courts should know better than to misunderstand his religion like that and go after off-duty Israelis enjoying a hike. But for all these misunderstandings, shouldn't CAIR put out a pamphlet or something by now? "How Not To Misunderstand Your Islamic Religion?" Anybody? Hooper?
The PA did not report the surrendering of the terrorists, the Shin Bet said. After learning of their surrender, the security agency transferred a request to the PA asking that they transfer to Israel the murder weapons and the weapons of those who were murdered. In response to the demand, PA officials confirmed that the two had surrendered and were being interrogated.
All of the weapons were transferred to Israel on Saturday.
Security officials said the attack was premeditated and its goal was to kill the hikers and steal their weapons. Security officials said that declarations in the media by Palestinian officials to the effect that the incident was of a criminal nature were in direct contradiction to the findings on the scene, as well as to the confessions of the terrorists themselves.
The declarations, they said, were likely intended by the PA to skirt responsibility for the incident, particularly because the terrorists were Fatah operatives and members of the PA security forces.
Posted by Marisol at January 1, 2008 5:30 PM
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Just a guess, but I bet CAIR would say this has nothing to do with Islam as well......
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at January 1, 2008 5:55 PM
OT
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/s/1030139_man_stabbed_in_throat
Man stabbed in throat
1/ 1/2008
A MAN is fighting for his life after he was stabbed in the throat during a mass brawl.
A second man who went to his aide was slashed across the face during the violence in Manchester early today.
Police say a large group of Asian men were seen fighting outside a Total Garage at Wilmslow Road, Rusholme, at around 2.50am.
A spokeswoman said: "The group then moved to a plot of waste ground where the 23-year-old was stabbed in the throat.
"A 27-year-old who tried to help him was slashed across the face.
"They were taken to the Manchester Royal Infirmary where the younger victim, who is from Oldham, is in a critical condition.
"We believe the group were from Oldham and had travelled to Rusholme for the New Year celebrations."
Posted by: Borg at January 1, 2008 6:22 PM
All "negotiations" with the Slow Jihadists of Fatah should be ended. They are a farce, and were always a farce. As for the 6 or 7 billion dollar package of Jizyah-aid that the Western Infidels were so eager to re-supply to the PLO (that is, the acceptable "Palestinian" "Authority" of the Slow Jihadists, rather than to the unacceptable Fast Jihadists of Fatah) -- Israel should refuse to transfer any such aid.
Long ago, round about the second week of June, 1967, Israel ought simply to have annexed, permanently, the "West Bank" and in so doing, declared the reasons which impelled them to that annexation -- the legal, moral, and historic claims, including the relevant precise terms of the League of Nations' Mandate for Palestine, and ought furthermore, in a period when Arab and Muslim propaganda had not yet developed, and before the vast oil wealth, and before the millions of Muslims were permitted to settle deep behind what they themselves have been taught to regard as enemy lines, the lines of Bilad al-kufr, to have explained to the world that the opposition to Israel was based on Islam, the immutable texts which do not countenance an Infidel nation-state, of any size, on land once possessed by Muslims (and indeed, in the end, Islam does not countenance Infidel lands, lands run by Infidels rather than Muslims, anywhyere on the globe, for the world belongs to Allah and his people, the Muslims).
That's what they should have done. There would have been a feeble outcry. But the fact would have been created, and even more important, such an understanding of Islam, expressed openly, would not only have helped Israel make its case, but have helped the Infidels elsewhere be put on notice that they had better begin to look into Islam, and had they done so, their ruling elites might not have with such insouciant negligence allowed Muslim migration that has created a sitatuion far more unpleasant, expensive, and phyiscally dangerous, for indigenous Infidels, that would be the case without a large-scale Muslim presence.
It is not too late, with so many of Israel's leadersso incompetent, corrupt, and tongue-tied, to find other leaders, more competent, incorruptible, and articulate. Such people exist. They tend not to be able to stomach politics. But they will just have to do so, to save themselves, their families, their political and social institutions. In Israel most obviously, but also now in Western Europe -- in such bastions of "tolerance" as the Netherlands, Denmark, France, Italy.
Posted by: Hugh at January 1, 2008 6:29 PM
A few Jdam"s at their former places of employment would be appropriate.
Were the early press reports wrong when the claim was made that the perpetrators were killed?
Posted by: flowerknife_us at January 1, 2008 6:58 PM
President Bush has innocent blood on his hands as does his lap poodle minister Olmert.
He continues to send weapons ,train Palestinian snipers and funnel milllions and millions to these Ilsamic terrorists.
Bush is a grave threat to Israel and a great help to the Islamic terrorists killing Jews.
This is far beyond stupidity and simply evil.
A fact that too many ignore is that this US President and Olmert have innocent blood on their hands because after so many similar Palestinian trerrorist acts by Abbas's Fatah they continue to send them millions of dollars and supply them with weapons that are used only to kill Jews for their phony peace of Islam.
The curse of Genesis 12:3 is on the head of President Bush especially and everything he touches will fail .He is a cursed man for the evil he continues to do against Israel.
May his visit to ISRAEL be especially cursed !
at January 1, 2008 7:15 PM
Muslims need forceful, joint, several, and systematic acceleration accross the spectrum. Let us hope it happens in 2008!
Posted by: jsla at January 1, 2008 7:36 PM
Anything that happens to any Israelie should be dealt with by the Israelies as they are a sovereign nation. To blame Pres.Bush or Ms. Rice or yassir what's his name is a joke. The Israelies know what has to be done, has the other shoe hit the floor yet.
Posted by: AMartinez at January 1, 2008 7:36 PM
Olmerde: 'ready to make any deal'
Olmert says Israel must internalize divided J'lem
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1198517258675&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
at January 1, 2008 7:37 PM
And yet, Ibraham Hooper has not tried to get any of these misunderstanders of Islame to understand how peaceful Islame is.....
Israel must do what must be done. These "palestinians" are nothing more than the arabs living in the area at the time Israel was made a state. We know that. The majority of the press doesn't recognize that. Maybe it's America's affinity with the "underdog" that is the reason that the gov't is doing everything it can to help Israel kill itself. You would think that after what the Romans did, the Israelies would say "no more". But no, they waited until after Hitler.
I think that the Israelies should annex the gaza strip, cut off a little bit of land north and give them that, then at least they would only be fighting an essentially one-front campaign. Take Jerusalem, give them the "dome" in pieces, see if they can build anything other than bombs, and be done with it. Bah! Smoke and mirrors!
at January 1, 2008 8:01 PM
The requirements for Israel's security are the same as our own: secure the borders, act proactively to prevent Islamic attacks, or at least react to Islamic attacks in ways that will discourage future ones, educate the public about what the core teachings of Islam are and how that is related to the jihad, disrupt the financial support for the jihad, reduce interactions with, and isolate as much as possible, jihad-supporting nations. It's Anti-Jihad 101, Anti-Jihad For Dummies, Anti-Jihad Made Simple. We can't seem to get to even the basics.
Posted by: special_guest at January 1, 2008 8:59 PM
Ot...This fits better with the 'homosexuals must be killed', thread below, but I have found Iran's missing homosexuals. They are in Berlin...I thought gayness was haram but:
Gay Muslims Pack a Dance Floor of Their Own...
From NYT Europe section...
BERLIN — Six men whirled faster and faster in the center of the nightclub, arms slung over one another’s shoulders, performing a traditional circle dance popular in Turkey and the Middle East. Nothing unusual given the German capital’s large Muslim population.
But most of the people filling the dance floor on Saturday at the club SO36 in the Kreuzberg neighborhood were gay, lesbian or bisexual, and of Turkish or Arab background. They were there for the monthly club night known as Gayhane, an all-too-rare opportunity to merge their immigrant cultures and their sexual identities.
Yep they want to 'merge' their sexual identities alright. There's some more to this article, but I thought all you concerned JW'er's would be relieved to know that homosexual muslims are alive and well in Berlin. I wonder if Beasty Boy Amahdinijad knows about this?
Posted by: duh_swami at January 1, 2008 9:24 PM
And yet, Ibraham Hooper has not tried to get any of these misunderstanders of Islame to understand how peaceful Islame is.....
Posted by: is_LAME at January 1, 2008 8:01 PM
Why would he? You see, 'these misunderstanders of Islam' term is to throw the Infidel fools off from discovering that Islam indeed is hostile, dominating and at war with infidels. But what better way to overpower the Infidels with hostility, where it works, deciet where hostility doesn't? Besides, Muhommad said: War is deciet. In addition, Islam already has a sanctioned strategy for all of the above "Al-taquiyya".
In short, For muslims to rein any fellow muslim brothers, would be "un-Islamic". For infidels to expect the above, "foolish".
That said Happy Neew Year, Infidels!
at January 1, 2008 9:42 PM
But for all these misunderstandings, shouldn't CAIR put out a pamphlet or something by now? "How Not To Misunderstand Your Islamic Religion?" Anybody? Hooper?
There would be two versions - one for gullible Dhimmis and one for recruiting to the jihad.
FOR THE DHIMMI
- JIHAD IS ALLAH’S SCENTED CANDLE - Surah 9:29
- Those who reject Islam must be GIVEN FLOWERS - Surah 4:89
- For the Unbelievers are THE JOYS OF SPRING to you - Surah 4:101
- MAKE DAISY CHAINS those who believe not in Allah nor the last day - Surah 9:29
- BAKE A CAKE for them [non-Muslims] wherever you find and catch them - Surah 2:191
- If anyone desires a religion other than Islam, TAKE THEM A BASKET OF FRUIT - Surah 3:85
- Whoever changes his Islamic religion, SEND SWEET SMELLING POESIES TO him - Surah 9:57
Oh those subtle euphemisms – it’s all in the interpretation you know.
at January 2, 2008 12:58 AM
The lame-brains at State and U.S. Administrations who thought that arming "Palestinian" Arabs and teaching them sniper techniques would be used to police themselves are responsible for the deaths of far too many Israeli Jews.
I suspect that this was done to show "fair-handedness," and assuming the role of the "even-handed broker." It shows the U.S. to be an idiotic appeaser of the Saudis--which it is, and has been for far too long.
Posted by: unicorns62000 at January 2, 2008 1:44 AM
It shows the U.S. to be an idiotic appeaser of the Saudis--which it is, and has been for far too long.
Posted by: unicorns62000 at January 2, 2008 1:44 AM
Well, there is more to "U.S. to be an idiotic appeaser of the Saudis". Check out "Sleeping with the Devil'. By Robert Baer: http://www.buzzflash.com/interviews/03/09/12_baer.html or, google "Bush Saudi Business".
Posted by: Alert at January 2, 2008 3:28 AM
I think we here can see an exellent example of the different way´s of looking at life:
When the kafir soldier/police has his/her off-duty hours and days, he/she goes hiking to be able to apreciate the nature God (the kafir´s God) has created. But, when some muslims have off-duty hours and days, he/she will go kill the kafir (mentioned above) as a sign of how much he/she apreciate the nature of allah´s comands.
One might say it´s a kind of revelation to the nature of God and allah. Like Jesus say´s: "Let the one who has ears hear!" Or, shall we say: "Let the one who has eyes see!"
Nuff said, let´s just hope for more open ears and eyes this 2008!
/cAi
Posted by: cAi at January 2, 2008 3:56 AM
"were they following orders?) "
....I would vote...Yes...
at January 2, 2008 6:38 AM
AMartinez wrote in response to rocketman; "To blame Pres.Bush .... is a joke. >>>>
I blame Olmert government. I also blame Bush. As an American citizen post 9/11, I blame Bush more. Why shouldn't I?
He should know better than lie to the public about our enemy. He calls an arch-jihadist murderer, a Holocaust denier, financier of Munich massacres, etc., "a man dedicated to peace."
Mr. Bush continually lies about our enemy. Day by day he lies to the American people.
AMarinez, do you enjoy hearing lies from your president about the enemy? Why are you protecting this man?
Posted by: monk at January 2, 2008 6:41 AM
OT, but Wilders pulls no punches:
“Islam does not deserve respect, but must be fought as an intolerant and Fascist ideology”
http://sheikyermami.com/2008/01/02/dutch-dhimmis-plead-for-tolerance/
at January 2, 2008 7:15 AM
AMartinez wrote in response to rocketman; "To blame Pres.Bush .... is a joke. >>>>
The American government, which by our Constitution consists of a lot more than the Presidential administration, has made a lot of mistakes about Islam and the dangers therein.
But...
I believe that people like this have a possibly more sinister reason for bombarding this website with a connection between the decisions of Israel and the USA.
It is to reinforce and cement the Islamic claim that the USA controls Israel. That they are a puppet of the USA.
I realize I am making assumptions about the thinking of another person or persons. Just my opinion here.
Aunt Bea
A simple person who still tears up when the anthem is played.
at January 2, 2008 7:38 AM
Aunt Bea, you wrote: "I believe that people like this have a possibly more sinister reason for bombarding this website with a connection between the decisions of Israel and the USA. It is to reinforce and cement the Islamic claim that the USA controls Israel. That they are a puppet of the USA."
I am not sure who you are referring to, "people like this." Is it me?
I believe the Islamic claim is quite the opposite of what you've written. The Islamic claim is that Israel and her lobby control the USA.
I do tend to hold that Israel behaves as a USA puppet or client state or a banana republic. This prime minister, it seems to me is a Bush Administration puppet. Isn't he?
Posted by: monk at January 2, 2008 8:22 AM
Israel needs new leaders with guts and determination. Who will do what 'they' perceive is right for Israel, and ignore controlling manipulations from Bush/Rice. It is sometimes hard to tell 'who's on top', but it is easy to tell who is getting bombed, and who is under constant threat from hostiles in close proximity...Israel must retain and insist on the right to act independently. If it does not, and must ask Bush for permission, it is not an Israeli state at all, but an American
outpost...
at January 2, 2008 8:49 AM
Monk you're absolutely right, it is a sham, a shame, a disgrace to lie to your own people and continue supporting an enemy at the expense of an ally, a steadfast ally.
Posted by: Sneakyzionistcrusader at January 2, 2008 8:59 AM
duh_swami, I wholeheartedly concur. The problem is, at the moment, I am an American citizen. Were I an Israeli citizen, I would probably be out there protesting with my allies, demanding this puppet government resign or be force out.
Like R. Spencer and perhaps you, I am US citizen. Consequently I am obligated to watch my government, especially post-9/11, where we have a clearly identifiable enemy that this US president has failed to properly identify.
We have nations, entities and regimes like the Iran, Pakistan and the Palestinian Authority that Bush either flirts with or outright does business with. To me this is flat out evil and all I see is a Republican party / conservative base rallying around this wicked US leader.
It's a disgrace! As a thirty something year registered (conservative) Republican I find this behavior disgraceful and unforgivable.
Don't you?
Posted by: monk at January 2, 2008 9:01 AM
monk, while I do not condone Pres.
Bushs behavior when it comes to our enemies. I for one wish Israel would jusk kisk some terrorist a**. Any Anerican or freedom loving person would and will stand behind Israel, this is not the Israel of my youth.I remember the war in the late 60's and Munich. Where is that drive that Israel had.
at January 2, 2008 9:17 AM
AMartinez, I agree with you about Israel. I'm not sure what it is; weariness of the many years of war or what?
Enough Jews in Israel voted for this traitorous Kadima party so that Mr. Olmert could cobble together a functioning coalition of smaller parties.
Therefore I must hold the voters in Israel responsible for this. When Ariel Sharon ran for re-election in 2003, he had already caved into immoral Bush / White House pressure to begin the process of expelling Jews from their homes; establishing Bush's vision of a Palestinian terrorist-killer state in the Holy Land. I would not have voted for Sharon at that point because a vote for Sharon was a vote FOR the jihad.
Same held true in our 2004 mid-term elections. Because, while I reluctantly voted for George W. Bush in 2000, immediately following the September 11, 2001 Saudi-sponsored terror atrocities in New York and Washington, Mr. Bush only days later, unveiled his vision for a 23rd jihadist state in the Middle East. After we had been brutally attacked mind you!
At that point I realized Bush is with our jihadist enemies. Bush is with the jihadists, plain and simple. He embraces all sorts of killers; prays with them in their mosques, etc. No question about it. Bush is an evil-doer in the "Biblical" sense. For me, George W. Bush is more of a threat to Israel's survival -- and perhaps to the survival of America and the west --than the Iranian president.
I not only "do not condone President Bush's behavior," I deplore and condemn him and his behavior. His behavior is reprehensible. If, as many believe, there is a world to come, I will look to the day Mr. Bush is tried and punished for his immoral behavior.
This may seem harsh. To me Bush's behavior is criminal.
Posted by: monk at January 2, 2008 10:14 AM
Monk, In America we have free speech and I will defend to the death your right to it. Your only connection to my statement was to copy from your post.
We all know which persons I was speaking about.
The-soapbox-in-central-park screamers who only want to shout statements of hate rather than add anything worthwhile to the conversation.
AMartinez,
One of my fondest memories of High School was stopping in a coffee shop in Miami during the six-day war every morning on the way to school. Watching those old men cheer on the Israelis was a real thrill and I have to keep thinking that there are still Americans who believe they (Israel) have a right to have a sovereign country.
I also read the papers online from over there and wonder at what appears to be, from my point of view, insane thinking on the part of Israeli citizens.
But then I never did understand the people who came here to recruit for the Kibbutz life in the early 70's.
Aunt Bea
Posted by: Aunt Bea at January 2, 2008 11:07 AM
Aunt Bea, I am not as much a regular on this site as others to know which persons you were speaking about. Often, because I am running a small business, I am not able to read every comment. I also visit several sites each day.
I believe it is better to get as much information out as possible for the uninformed readers like myself.
Otherwise for those who visit several sites, it is more an inside comment. Because I do not know which people have possibly a more sinister reason for bombarding this website with hateful things.
Some contributors might take my comments as hateful. I would rather be told my comments are hateful and explore the these ideas rather than be left in doubt.
Posted by: monk at January 2, 2008 11:32 AM
OT, Aunt Bea I sure miss Miami of the late 60s and early 70s. I was raised by my grandparents, my grandfather was a bulider there. That,s when you could walk the streets rather safely. Do you remember the outside skating rink in Opa-locka?
Posted by: AMartinez at January 2, 2008 11:45 AM
amartinez
I was more South Miami and the Grove, ah the Summer of Love. I met a lot musicians and heard a lot of good music before it hit the mainstream.
But I used to ride my Raleigh bike places where I wouldn't drive in a car now.
Did you know that in 1968, Playboy mag. said that Miami had more space per capita than any city in the world? What a beautiful city it was.
I really envy my Mother living on South Beach in 1935. Now that was a cool place to be.
Aunt Bea
at January 2, 2008 12:36 PM
Aunt Bea said
It is to reinforce and cement the Islamic claim that the USA controls Israel. That they are a puppet of the USA.
I thought Muslims claimed it was the other way 'round? Daaa Jooooooooos.
at January 2, 2008 1:57 PM
I thought Muslims claimed it was the other way 'round? Daaa Jooooooooos.
Posted by: special_guest
Actually I have heard it both ways.
No matter, while the US does get involved in the workings of other countries, my original premise holds that unmitigated hate speeches with no attempt to add anything to the general conversation is just an attempt to put things here that serve only those who post them.
BTW special_guest I am stuck, freezing next to a heater and your exchange with Morgaan Sinclair has provided me with a lot of food for thought.
Great reading.
at January 2, 2008 2:23 PM
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