The more the police and the press open up about this, the safer these kids will be — and the more the imams' preaching this jihad against women will be exposed to public view. Anybody who thinks this isn't happening here is in deep denial.

Posted by: Morgaan Sinclair at January 2, 2008 6:04 PM

The girls who were killed.

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/01/texas-honor-kil.html

I too would be cautious but it appears the bird is quacking....I say it is a duck!

An Islamic lynching!

If I am wrong then I will apologize...

Posted by: greatcometof1577 at January 2, 2008 6:17 PM

America, and indeed all of Bilad al-kufr, has temptations, has the whisperings of Shaytan to lead people astray. If you want your children to have a splendid true-blue Muslim upbringing, and not to be subject to those whisperings of Shaytan that are all around, please do not come to America.

Or if you are here, go home, before it is too late. Do it for the children. Life here offers too many temptations. And if you can no longer enforce certain rules, use certain punishments, on your own children, not to mention the fact that apostates cannot be threatened or killed, then the likelihood of something going wrong is great. Is it worth it -- just to live among the Infidels, and despise them, and to have to wear a mask all day, in order not to reveal to them one's secret thoughts and desires? Of course it isn't. Go to some Muslim land, where each day you can lead a fully Muslim life. And where Infidels know their place, and if for any reason they forget that place, they can be reminded.

Posted by: Hugh at January 2, 2008 6:18 PM

If this is an honor killing, and if it was at least partly attributable to the teachings of the local imam, I'd like to see the imam held at least partly responsible. At minimum called up on the witness stand to answer questions under penalty of perjury

Posted by: PapaBear at January 2, 2008 6:18 PM

Don't worry Morgaan. The deep denial will soon show itself. The appropriate spin is already being prepped for dispersal to the Dallas Morning News and the TV outlets. Now, I agree with Robert, can't call it too soon. Have to let this event play out. But it is definitely encouraging that the local PD is looking into the possibility of an honor killing.

Apparently both girls were found in a taxi in Irving. Irving is about 15-60 minutes from Lewisville, depending on traffic on I35.

Posted by: Kevin at January 2, 2008 6:18 PM

Oh goody! Another Muslim man kills his daughters because of their "dating activities" and unless he goes out with a bang, he'll be primed and ready to promote the dawa in one our prisons. That's just fabulous.

Ever notice how we NEVER hear about Muslim dad's killing their sons?

Posted by: Isabellathecrusader at January 2, 2008 6:20 PM

Oh well folks, it was just another case of 'domestic violence', common to all religions and societies.

Posted by: Sounder at January 2, 2008 6:23 PM

Hugh-

It appears the girls are in most danger if they date black guys or date dumb Mcs.-LOL It's weird. Imagine killing one's own daughters on such stuff. It's weird.

Posted by: Frank at January 2, 2008 6:32 PM

Muslims 'protect' their sheep too:

‘Sheep Violation’- a new crime that enrages Muslims

http://sheikyermami.com/2008/01/02/sacked-for-sheep-sex-prank/

Posted by: sheik yer'mami at January 2, 2008 6:47 PM

The internet is flooded with stories of “honor” killings.

Turkey's women
According to the report, in the past 17 years, at least 6,000 women and 4,600 children found refuge in shelters

http://english.people.com.cn/200703/07/eng20070307_355225.html

Netherlands
The National Police has received 154 reports of honour-related threats and violence since last August

http://islamineurope.blogspot.com/2007/07/denmark-police-getting-handle-on-honor.html

The United Nations Population Fund estimates that the annual worldwide total of killings might be as high as 5,000 women.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/ethics/honourcrimes/

According to the Palestinian women's affairs ministry, 20 girls and women were murdered in honour killings in 2004. A further 50 committed suicide - often under coercion - for "shaming" their families. Another 15 survived suicide attempts.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/ethics/honourcrimes/crimesofhonor_8.shtml

If the US allows immigrants from countries that condone “honor” murders
then shelters better get ready for the flood of women and children seeking protection from their animal men foke.

Posted by: Joe Schmoe USA at January 2, 2008 6:53 PM

It's always the father, brother, or other male relative who does the evil deed, but where does the responsibility of the mother come into play? Why didn't the mother alert authorities when her husband's murderous plans became clear? Honor killing is a family affair so the mother must have known it was coming. Do we view the Muslim woman as she is viewed in the Middle East; as weak, ignorant, submissive to her husband, thus, not responsible for murder conspiracy?

Posted by: Xero G at January 2, 2008 6:54 PM

Xero G

Aqsa Parvez's mother apparently didn't have any idea her husband was going to strangle her daughter, but Parvez's murder may have been an in-the-moment kind of thing.

I'm not sure we can convict the mother of knowing. I think such plans are made in an ultra-patriarchal fashion, and I think it unlikely the mother would have been told.

But, then, I think both of us are conjecturing on this one as we don't really know.

Posted by: Morgaan Sinclair at January 2, 2008 7:11 PM

Well, what are the family dynamics after the murder? Is anyone allowed to grieve? Or are these two girls to have their memories, along with their lives, eradicated, wiped off the face of the earth?

My dad is in his eighties and he gets upset if something goes wrong in my business. I'd hate to think what he would go through if somebody did me in. And on the flip side, I can't imagine what it would be like to lose one of my kids.

How do these people stand their lives? How do they stand the continual lying, denial and cover ups that seem to be so intrinsic in the Muslim lifestyle? How come they feel the shame of a possible honor violation but no shame in murdering their own offspring? Where is the Muslim mother who will stand up and say, I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take it anymore?

Posted by: Isabellathecrusader at January 2, 2008 7:23 PM

This soulless & senseless murder is nearly impossible for me to get my mind around because it is just so barbaric, twisted, and it goes against everything that is moral.

Islam = The Religion from Hell

Posted by: champ at January 2, 2008 7:38 PM

Happy New Year, Isa!

Posted by: champ at January 2, 2008 7:39 PM

What could possibly induce parents to murder their own children, except that they're mentally unstable or they're Muslims?

In either case, a civilized society would consider such an act highly unnatural, even in the animal world.

How can any ideology have such a stranglehold on a person's mind and spirit that they'd strap explosives to their own offspring, and send them out on a suicide mission, or strangle them with their own bare hands because they won't ware a scarf on theire heads, or because they befriend a Male, who doesn't happen to be a relative.

If this man is guilty of killing these children for religious reasons, I'd like to know how he ever got into this country. Would it be unreasonable to tell Muslims who apply for immigration to our country that that Islamic crap doesnt fly here, and if they don't like it, they can stay where they're at?

I suppost, though, that that would be Islamophobic.

Posted by: rational at January 2, 2008 7:42 PM

If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck...

Sorry, I do not mean to defame ducks.

Posted by: Wimbledon Womble at January 2, 2008 7:45 PM

Morgaan-

I have read a post someplace on JW that you teach at a university (don't say where-please)-and that confirmed my hunch that you are a teacher. (You remind me of my first grade teacher Sister Camile. She was a regular mommy.-LOL But you are definitely smarter than Sr. Camile.)

Which is your major: English or psychology? Or both? Just curious about what you teach. I await correction if wrong.

Posted by: Frank at January 2, 2008 7:46 PM

If this turn out to be what we think it is I can't wait to see the spin the local Imam will put on this one, I got 50 bucks on another 'domestic dispute' any takers?

Posted by: Stinkyinfidel at January 2, 2008 7:47 PM

I think this is proof.

http://cbs11tv.com/local/Yaser.Abbdel.Said.2.622026.html

"Sisters, Amina, 18, and Sarah, 17, were each shot to death. Friends of the girls say their father was Egyptian and critical of popular American lifestyles. "I'm definitely 100% sure that it was her dad that killed her," said Kathleen Wong, a friend of the dead teenagers."

"Wong says the girl's father was verbally abusive and that Sarah, especially, lived in fear. "She's always told me that she was always so scared of her dad," says Wong. "Even at school if a teacher joked around like, 'I'm gonna tell your parents about this', she would like totally flip out and start crying like, 'please don't tell'."

What do you think? The bird is now floating on the water and quacking....is it a duck?

Posted by: greatcometof1577 at January 2, 2008 7:49 PM

Happy New Year, Champ!

I know what you mean by you can't wrap your head around it. Here is a link to one of the girls' My Space page and a picture of them acting silly, which is really sweet.

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=200867641

This reminds me of Christmas Day when my grown kids had opened some of their presents and took the gift bags and stuck them upside down on their heads. We all started laughing because it was hilarious and they were doing the dog pile thing and I got some really great pictures. Those two girls would not have been out of place at our Christmas celebration. Now they are dead.

I'm going to have to buy a lot more Kleenex if this kind of garbage keeps up. What with this, Bhutto's murder and the 50 people who died seeking refuge at the church in Nairobi, my eyes are an absolute mess.

Dearest God, please help us.

Posted by: Isabellathecrusader at January 2, 2008 7:51 PM

http://cbs11tv.com/local/Yaser.Abbdel.Said.2.622026.html

Check out the link that Great Comet of 1577 provided and click on the video on the right. Those were two, sweet and beautiful girls, and the guy friend in the videosays it all, how could you kill the two most precious things?

Posted by: Isabellathecrusader at January 2, 2008 7:59 PM

I don't know how the hell I stumbled on it (by google, not through myspace) but here is Amina's myspace page.

http://www.myspace.com/semirockerchic

I just found but some clues might be found there with a little looking.

Posted by: greatcometof1577 at January 2, 2008 8:00 PM

The whole honor killing phenomenon in Muslim communities has Freudian overtones.The fathers and brothers appear sexually fixated on their daughters and sisters. They cannot handle their own sexual feelings for their own kin, nor can they handle the fact that other men may start to be attracted to their kin, so they kill them.

This is very different from the infanticide of female babies which is not uncommon in places like India and China. There it is a cold and calculating decision, an almost clinical one.

Killing of teenage girls is very different. Certainly, a crime of passion. Honor killings have a sexual dimension to them, and they do seem to once again underscore the sexual deviance and pathology at the core of the Muslim male psyche.

Posted by: Wimbledon Womble at January 2, 2008 8:08 PM

Ever notice how we NEVER hear about Muslim dad's killing their sons?

Posted by: Isabellathecrusader

It's always the father, brother, or other male relative who does the evil deed, but where does the responsibility of the mother come into play?

Posted by: Xero G

Isabella, your question is partially answered by XeroG. Brother is often the accomplice of Father in killing Sis; indeed the family often uses an under-age son to do the killing, since he'll likely get a shorter sentence, especially in kaffir countries. Also the sons are held to different rules: a male doesn't have to prove his virginity on his wedding night -- and of course that would be impossible for his weddings to his 2nd, 3rd, or 4th wives. Also, a male can play the tom-cat all he wants with kaffir girls; they're only "uncovered meat", trollops to be used as he desires. But if Sonny gets so infatuated with a kaffir girl that he marries her and gives up Islam for her, then he's an apostate, and in line for an honour-killing himself.
As for Momma, there have been a number of cases noted here on JW and DW of mothers assisting Poppa in the killing, often by holding the daughter while Poppa and Brother stab her. You know the old expression, "the family that slays together stays together."

Posted by: ebonystone at January 2, 2008 8:10 PM

The silver lining here in this dark cloud is that this occurred in Texas, which, if I'm not mistaken, has put more people to death in the last ten years than any other state in the Union. If this guy is guilty, and it certainly looks that way, then hang him high (or its modern socially adjusted equivalent, although hangin' would be just fine by me).

Isabellathecrusader (hello again, Isabella) asks, "How do these people stand their lives? How do they stand the continual lying, denial and cover ups that seem to be so intrinsic in the Muslim lifestyle?" These queries reminded me of what I believe Arthur Schopenhauer stated long ago. I don't have the exact quote but he asserted that there is no idea or belief too ridiculous or absurd which cannot be accepted as truth if it is inculcated early enough in the child. Yes, I know there are adult converts to Islam (and aren't they a special group in and of themselves?) but this assessment would help account for why approximatley a billion Muslims worldwide believe the nonsense that they do.

Posted by: Wellington at January 2, 2008 8:14 PM

In all honesty, it couldn't get anymore stereotypical. The dad is a Muslim cabdriver who killed his two girls because they weren't acting Muslim enough in a western country. I mean, this guy set himself up to fail.

Why did he come here? To spread Islam? This guy was definitely not up for the task. How many Muslim males come to America, supposedly to build a better life but then are met with severe obstacles because we infidels just ain't Muslim enough, and instead of converting us they despair and kill their own?

I think Wimbledon Womble is right. There is something screwed up sexually in the Muslim male's mind. Here's a little gem I found while reading Shiva's site last week. If you want to do a case study on demented Muslim male sexual mentality, here is a real doozy.

http://illustratedpig.blogspot.com/search/label/Child%20Abuse

Posted by: Isabellathecrusader at January 2, 2008 8:26 PM

Frank ...

I have taught interpersonal group process in five universities in three hemipheres at the graduate level (teaching psychiatrists). I am a triple-masters candidate in ME studies, journalism, and creative writing at an Ivy League university. I am by profession these days a book editor and designer and a writer and have written for Harper & Row as a business writer and have written book reviews on the Abrahamic religions for The Weekly Standard and The New York Post.

Attempts at fairness, as in trying the mother of these girls without a shred of evidence, is not an attempt to take a parental position. It's an attempt to be fair.

P.S. Wimbledon Wombie is right about the sexual repression at the core of this. See Jerrold Post on how the medrassas manufacture men who are stuck in Freud's genital phase and therefore unable to relate to women very well.

Cheers, M

Posted by: Morgaan Sinclair at January 2, 2008 8:34 PM

Wellington,

You may be right, but what about the natural law that is written on the heart of every human being? What about being pro-survival? What about all the memories of when his girls were little and they came running up to greet this guy when he came home from work? What about bedtime stories, or family meals or family celebrations? Does this all become meaningless now that the girls are dead?

Would they have been held in high esteem if they had not done whatever that little thing was that triggered their dad's anger that he believed gave him reason to kill them? Could any Muslim girl ever be good enough to avoid the kind of anger that we read precedes these acts? And if not, aren't Muslim females set up to be killed from a very young age and the ones that aren't killed are the lucky ones, you know, the ones that get to go from subjugation under one angry Muslim male to subjugation under another.

Man, I'm glad I'm Catholic, American, free and single and my dad thinks I'm the cat's meow.

Posted by: Isabellathecrusader at January 2, 2008 8:36 PM

Not only do Muslim mothers frequently know about the honor killing, many times they are the instigator of it.

Posted by: aynrandgirl at January 2, 2008 8:42 PM

Morgaan-

I went to Immaculate Conception grammar school, Mater Christi (until it became Saint John's prep in about 1980), then Queensboro Community College, Queens College and finally got my B.A. from Fordham. So screw you, Morgaan.-LOL

Actually, I'm impressed. But, you must admit, I was also perceptive in my reading of you. In fact, I took a psychological profile-career test (in college) that said I was "quite perceptive" re people. It said I would make an excellent politician.-LOL No joke. That's what it said. #1 was "political leader". It also said I am often "incautiously direct" (it said the subject is "quite honest". But trust me-I know how to turn on the charm) in communication of my views. How can that be possible for a politician? I hate politicians.

The test also strongly suggested that I have my own business, that I did not like authority, or any control over me. It's true. I can't take it.-LOL. I have to march to my own drummer.

BTW, it also said I function "quite comfortably with abstract thinking". The academic adviser said I scored well on the intelligence part of the test. (The test was actually made by the University of Illinois at Champagne-Urbana. I never went there, but that's where the test was made.)

Posted by: Frank at January 2, 2008 8:57 PM

Frank ...

Well, I dunno. I've just lived a long time and so I've had a chance to do a lot of things, and I've been very lucky in the people I've know. I learned a tremendous amount from my husband, who was a psychologist who taught at Harvard and Chicago and Berkeley, etc. I stopped playing around with psychology when I got pregnant, thinking (probably rightly) that a bunch of people screaming in group therapy is likely not good for a developing babe. Then I had a couple of short careers: studio musician, foreign student program director, etc. And then I settled into publishing for a long time. N ow it's Act III or something, and this part really is fun. Something to look forward to when you get to be my age, Frank. It's really GREAT FUN to go back to school after the kids leave the house. Easier than doing it when you're young.

Posted by: Morgaan Sinclair at January 2, 2008 9:03 PM

Isabella: You ask about that natural law that is written on the heart of every human being. Well, sometimes one's environment and upbringing sadly obfuscates that law egregiously. It certainly did so with the slave owning aristocracy of the ante-bellum American South (though in no way do I mean to compare folks like John C. Calhoun and Jefferson Davis to the most confused group of people in man's history; to wit, Muslims----oh yeah, we're talking degrees of obfuscation here).

Actually, your searching questions bespeak to the heart of Islam itself, which I would contend violates that natural law that figures in history like Thomas Aquinas and William Seward spoke up for most eloquently. I know of no such eloquence or capacity for ratiocination in the Islamic world over the past half millennium, if ever------all of which would help prove the contention that Islam is a form of mental illness. After all, where is it written that just because you have a major religion, it must be good?

Posted by: Wellington at January 2, 2008 9:26 PM

Morgaan-

You are a very interesting woman, Morgaan. I like your feisty nature and respect your honest and bright mind. You are quite the lady. Really.

Posted by: Frank at January 2, 2008 9:28 PM

Isabellathecrusader,

In most Western societies A parent's love for their offspring is unqualified. Even if a child turns out to be a serial killer, a parent will still love him. No one would consider that unnatural.

Only in Islam is a parent's love qualified by a child's faithfulness to Islamic teachings and traditions.

Like everything else in Islam, it's totally unnatural.

Posted by: rational at January 2, 2008 9:51 PM

I can't help noticing that Islamic grown males (physically,that is, mentally they usually progress no farther than a five year old) are truly as nasty as they look.

Rule of thumb: if a Muslim man's looks could kill, they just might.

Posted by: pythagoras at January 2, 2008 9:55 PM

Sadly, this is only the beginning. Eventhough we are told that Islam means peace, it is becoming apparent that it means death to all of us infidels. The so called honor killing in Ontario, the newest slaughters in Texas, the pukestain suicide bomber in Pakistan(Butto's killer); no one is truly safe from these radicals. We allow these people the freedoms we enjoy in the hope that life and liberty mean something, yet they cannot fathom what it means to be free.
They supposedly come to North America to escape the shackles imposed on them and for the most part, many do embrace our cultures. No one will begrudge them their beliefs, or we would all be fighting amongst ourselves, yet it seems that there is more going on than any of us are willing to admit. Thank GOD Texas still has the death penalty and if you ask me, that Imam should be shaking in his sandals.

Posted by: Gryphis at January 2, 2008 10:05 PM

"The strangulation death of Ms. Parvez was the result of domestic violence, a problem that cuts across Canadian society and is blind to colour or creed."

http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/019122.php#comments

I guess the problem exceeds the boundary of Ontario, Cannda. This is a sad reality that will only become more prevalent in time, not less.

Those who piously subscribe to Islam have no other choice.

Props out to the regular peanut gallery for the spot on comments, namely: greatcometof1577, Izzy, WW, rational and pythagoras.

Truly, spot on about this growing malaise in the West.

Posted by: awake at January 2, 2008 10:48 PM

What's he hiding for? Big man loses his hot Islamist temper, does his deed for Allah, then runs and hides...Typical.

Maybe he just can't find his way to the nearest CAIR office, where he can be portrayed as some sort of victim of anti-Muslim prejudice.

Mindless, blindly enraged, Islamist trash.

Will this be cast as "domestic violence"?

Wake up world, the Muslimists are coming.

Posted by: Prickzilla at January 2, 2008 10:56 PM

It is never ok to murder your daughter(s) -- anywhere, ever.

Western laws must prevail and the men who carry out these vengeance murders against their female relatives must be prosecuted and punished to the full extent of our laws.

There is no honor in killing your women.

Karen Tintori, author
Unto the Daughters: The Legacy of an Honor Killing in a Sicilian-American Family
www.karentintori.com

Posted by: Karen Tintori at January 2, 2008 11:20 PM

"Wake up world, the Muslimists are coming."
Posted by: Prickzilla

Bitter irony from the song, "Send in the Clowns": "Don't bother, they're here."

Posted by: jay at January 2, 2008 11:37 PM

Found this earlier. Might shed some more light on the preoccupation in islam about sex. Recommend not reading it while sleep deprived or involved in domestic activities. Requires some concentration.

http://www.islamreview.com/articles/sexinislam.shtml

And yes. It is a duck. The question is, is it still duck season in Texas?

Posted by: Kevin at January 2, 2008 11:41 PM

Sadly, this is only the beginning.

This disgusting practice is no the beginning, it is only now that the media are beginning to report it

http://illustratedpig.blogspot.com/2006/06/fatherly-love.html

Posted by: shiva at January 2, 2008 11:54 PM

shiva-

It's awful. I'm a strong man (and you are so) but it's really hard to accept human nature. We have to become stoic to accept reality. Is this our Eros? after all? God have mercy on us. Eros is about life. What's this?

Posted by: Frank at January 3, 2008 12:13 AM

Looks good I mean that people are getting this story out.

This is it!

What more is there to say!!! I posted as well and language not cut out! Can't help it I am pissed off and want something done YESTERDAY!

Hi Shiva,
ISLAM IS CRAP!!!

Posted by: dcat at January 3, 2008 12:45 AM

The dad has the same dead-eyed evil gaze that Mohamad Atta had. Must be an Egyptian thing.

Posted by: Bingo at January 3, 2008 2:30 AM

The dad has the same dead-eyed evil gaze that Mohamad Atta had. Must be an Egyptian thing.

Posted by: Bingo at January 3, 2008 2:30 AM

Egypt, that has ginev the free-world, Mohommad Atta, Arafat and Aiman Al-Zawahiri, gets $2 mil 'aid' every year, from USA alone. Go figure!

Posted by: Alert at January 3, 2008 3:52 AM

...Muslims come to non Muslim countries to spread Islam....

...Ban Muslim Immigration ... Muslim Immigration is pointless and harmful to the host country,...

Posted by: exsgtbrown at January 3, 2008 6:32 AM

Alert-
You mean $2 billion.

Posted by: Bingo at January 3, 2008 7:54 AM

"No it's not an honor killing. it's just domestic violence. That's what CAIR will say anyway...

Posted by: The Resistance"

Yeah, those silly girls went to a gunfight, without a gun...

Posted by: Abscedere at January 3, 2008 9:58 AM

I personally knew this family.
I wanted to clear some stuff up. I know the mother didn't know about the planning of the killing because she would never have let this happen had she had some control over it. I'm not saying, however, that I think she took every step necessary to keep prevent this tragedy. Every mother has responsibilities to keep their children safe.

I also know that it was a not a crime of passion or instant jihad, or whatever the term is, because I spoke with the father on the phone Friday the 28th. He was trying to get me to tell him where the girls were. He kept saying that the girls were going against what he knew was right. They weren't "acting right."
He told me, "Amina was almost free. She was almost free to leave me. She was going to be in college in the fall and I wouldn't be there everyday."
The key word there is "almost."

Posted by: BebaLasVegas at January 3, 2008 4:58 PM

Whoever thinks Islam means "peace and tolerance" is seriously in a fantasy land. Not only is "honor killing" condoned by Islamic society it is encouraged. This religion is based on the teachings of the prophet Mohamad, who himself took on many wives of which one was only between the age of 6 and 9. In our society he would qualify as a pedophile and a pervert.

Posted by: justmyspin at January 3, 2008 11:12 PM