While police refused to discuss a possible motive for the crimes

Just like the government to keep their heads in the sand.

Did we EVER get an official motive for 9/11? /sarc

Posted by: walterc at January 3, 2008 4:04 PM

"While police refused to discuss a possible motive for the crimes, family and friends told reporters that the girls' Westernized lifestyle caused conflict with their Muslim father, who immigrated from Egypt in the 1980s."

So he moved to the evil West 20 plus years ago and still couldnt adopt basic decent Western standards like not killing your kids?

Posted by: Elric66 at January 3, 2008 4:07 PM

Its duck hunting time!

I think whe can close the book on this one. He was a sexist and a bigot who killed his daughters, because, he thinks we non-muslims are inferior. His daughters had strayed from the faith into the arms of the infidels! It is a view shared by many muslims.

Now where could they have gotten those ideas from?

Posted by: greatcometof1577 at January 3, 2008 4:08 PM

This man was in the United States for close to thirty years.

It's hard to believe someone wasn't pouring poison into this man's ear to amplify the ordinary effects of the Koran. I'd be asking hard questions about his mosque, his imam, his circle of acquaintances, and what websites he frequented.

Otherwise more women are going to die.

Posted by: Marwan'sDaughter at January 3, 2008 4:12 PM

Texas just realeased another man who spent twenty-six years in prison for a rape he did not commit.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080103/ap_on_re_us/dna_exoneration

I am losing faith in the American justice system; prosecutors are concerned with their futures, not justice. If a conviction will help their climb up the political ladder, they'll get it. If they perceive that a conviction is not in their interest, they will avoid it.

Posted by: Pelayo at January 3, 2008 4:14 PM

So disdain for non-Muslims intermingling with a Muslim patriarchs daughters is a "cultural phenomenon"?

That must be some "culture" that is completely resistent to any tolerance for or by non-Muslims by a person living in a predominantly non-Muslim country for about 20 years or so.

Another Islamic myth, put forth by Islamic apologists, bites the dust, no pun intended.

Posted by: awake at January 3, 2008 4:17 PM

If the man can make it back to Egypt or other Islamic society, no doubt he'll be protected -- if not admired -- for doing his duty as a good Muslim father.

What makes Muslim immigrants to this country think they can bring this kind of behaviour with them?

Obviously, our immigration authorities don't think it's necessary to warn them before they get here.

Posted by: rational at January 3, 2008 4:17 PM

Get ready to have the Muslim fascists spread lies about these two poor girls.

No doubt things like they were dating black men (notice the racism), or they were involved in sexual promiscuity, or they were on drugs will surface. Perhaps these two grls were from the Mossad, right?

Remember Rosie O'Donnell saying that Muslims are "moms and dads"" like us? Well, I would love to hear what she has to say now.

If Muslims treat their own precious daughters like this, what can we expect regarding their treatment of us sons of apes and pigs, or just kufars?

Posted by: Crusader at January 3, 2008 4:20 PM

I hope the Texas authorities catch this scumbag. The Texas Rangers are KNOWN for getting anyone they look for AND Texas has an uses the chair.

Posted by: MosheC at January 3, 2008 4:23 PM

oh, in case I forget:

BAN MUSLIM IMIGRATION

Posted by: Crusader at January 3, 2008 4:27 PM

rational

"What makes Muslim immigrants to this country think they can bring this kind of behaviour with them?"

They think they are superior and we are inferior.

It is really that simple.

My question is what makes Americans think they can allow this kind of activity to continue without confronting it? If people around these girls had been better informed on Islam, they might have been able to protect them.

Posted by: greatcometof1577 at January 3, 2008 4:29 PM

Its not even mentioned on Fox News web page.

http://www.foxnews.com/

Posted by: Elric66 at January 3, 2008 4:31 PM

Elric
It's in their video clips section under Honor Killing?

Posted by: dms at January 3, 2008 4:40 PM

dms,

I see it thanks. i would have thought it would be a headline.

Posted by: Elric66 at January 3, 2008 4:48 PM

Another one in Australia?

http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,23005414-5001021,00.html

Posted by: Silvester at January 3, 2008 4:54 PM

The caption needs to be changed to: Really Abusive

Posted by: champ at January 3, 2008 4:57 PM

Most of what is being reported here locally is there were "domestic issues".I just heard on M.Medveds show the woman who found the children was an associate cabbie who had known the animal for 15 years and in thier conversations he told her he was a "moderate"muslum.I am pleased the distinction was made...

Posted by: recondobilly at January 3, 2008 4:58 PM

Texas just realeased another man who spent twenty-six years in prison for a rape he did not commit.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080103/ap_on_re_us/dna_exoneration

I am losing faith in the American justice system; prosecutors are concerned with their futures, not justice. If a conviction will help their climb up the political ladder, they'll get it. If they perceive that a conviction is not in their interest, they will avoid it.

Sorry,Pelayo, but I get very suspecious of all these people released from prison and death row
years after they were convicted.

No one seems to consider that these people were tried and convicted in a court of law, with a Judge, jury, defense lawyers, witnesses, and physical evidence. In adition, they would have filed numerous appeals to higher courts, which would have had to uphold their convictions for them to stay in prison or on death row.

Then after 15-20 years, we're told that DNA or other evidence has proved they were wrongly convicted.

We're never told how DNA or other evidence proved their innocence. We simply accept that the original witnesses and evidence were all flawed in some way, and that the whole process of a trial was a giant conspiracy to convict an innocent person.

I'd like to have an explanation of how DNA proved their innocence. What kind of DNA? Where was it found in relation to the crime? How was it found 15-20 years after the crime. How does it relate to the crime and the accused?

I really believe that many of these newly discovered "innocent" people are as guilty as hell, and they were rightly convicted in a court of law.

I believe many of these people are being released because too many Judges are so determined to prove what good guys they are, and prove how fair the judicial system really is, that they'll accept anything any lawyer lays before them, without even going back to review what motivated the original jury to come back with a conviction.

I agree that there's an injustice here, but I wonder if it isn't against the Victims of these newly dicovered innocents.

Posted by: rational at January 3, 2008 4:59 PM

MosheC,

Texas does not use the chair. Instead we strap 'em down on the gurney and pump 'em full of chemicals, probably cheap chemicals too, what with the petro-chemical industry down on Galveston Bay. Still, far too good for the likes of him says I.

His only hope was to have left the state/country the moment after he killed his daughters. The longer he stays in state, which he still is in my opinion, the greater the chance he will be arrested. Or better, run afoul of a concealed carry licensed Texan.

As far as worrying about charges being brought, once he is captured, don't. This is a gold star in and DA's jacket. Putting away a double murderer, guaranteed re-election.

Posted by: Kevin at January 3, 2008 5:05 PM

"Friends of Amina Yaser Said, 18, and Sarah Yaser Said, 17, described the girls to the Dallas Morning News as "extremely smart — like geniuses,"

....a terrible thing in a Muslim household....educated women......

Posted by: exsgtbrown at January 3, 2008 5:13 PM

The boyfriends need protection now. Think of the mindset: "The girls were nice when they were little, but they did wrong, made me feel small. Perhaps they would not have done wrong if it were not for those buys. Those damn boys. Those sons of a whore deserve to die. WITH ALLAH'S HELP, I WILL ... " and so on.

Posted by: StillBreathing at January 3, 2008 5:15 PM

Tarek Fatah and Farzana Hassan wrote in the Nation Post on Aqsa's murder:

"Consider, as an example, the Montreal mosque that recently posted on its Web site a warning to the effect that if young girls took off their hijab, they could end up getting raped and having "illegitimate children." Other proffered risks included "Stresses, insecurity and suspicion in the minds of husbands" and "instigating young people to deviate towards the path of lust."

As if the threat of rape and the fear of illegitimate children were not enough, these pre-teen girls were told that if they took off their hijab, they would cease to be Muslims: "By removing your hijab, you have destroyed your faith. Islam means submission to Allah in all our actions." "

http://www.nationalpost.com/scripts/story.html?id=162281

If the religion dosen't prescribe this domination over women, it's still undeniable that their 'religious' certainly do.

Posted by: Sounder at January 3, 2008 5:30 PM

If the father is still in the area, he will be getting plenty of protection from like minded individuals, if you get my drift.

Posted by: dms at January 3, 2008 5:35 PM

Rational, I must disagree with everything you said.

Rational, please be rational. Trials are conducted by humans, and humans are the most flawed of all Earth's creatures.

Read the linked article.

In the case I referenced, the only evidence was the victims identification. You are forced to believe that the man who was convicted left someone else's (DNA) in this case it was most likely semen.

Also, DNA is DNA, there are not any "kinds of DNA." Saliva, skin, blood, semen, all will have the same DNA profile. DNA is just as important as fingerprints, perhaps more so.

There are more innocent people in jail than we should accept.

Posted by: Pelayo at January 3, 2008 5:37 PM

An excerpt from Sounder's posting:". . . if young girls took off their hijab, they could end up getting raped and having "illegitimate children."

What is so strange about Tarek Fatah and Farzana Hassan's statement is that these girls are far more likely to be raped by a Muslim than a non-Muslim.

Posted by: Pelayo at January 3, 2008 5:46 PM

I read this site for over a year, but have always been afraid to comment because most people here are highly intelligent and sadly I am not.

But today I finally have the courage to do so. I know Irving very well. I live a half mile from where the girls were found. I'm not sure the exact demographics of Irving, but there is a large Muslim population especially in North Irving. If you fly into the south of DFW airport, upon landing you can see a very LARGE mosque less than 2 miles from the airport. From where they were killed it is less than 10 minutes from the north entrance of the airport. It is possible that the dad could have killed them and been on a plane before the IPD even knew he was a suspect.

That is just my opinion. I would also like to thank everyone at Jihadwatch for giving me the knowlege so I can at least make a feeble attempt at telling my friends and family about what is going on and now having facts to back it up.

Posted by: joesamas mama at January 3, 2008 5:54 PM

Joesamas mama, that was very informative. Yes, I agree, he's probably back in Egypt.

I do not know if the US has an extradition agreement with Egypt, but if he is back in Islamdom, he is out of reach.

Posted by: Pelayo at January 3, 2008 6:05 PM

It seems now that on Fox 4 in Dallas that the mom and two daughters all worked at a Krogers (grocery store) but resigned I believe either Christmas eve or New Years eve and the mom left and the dad filed a missing person report on the mom and when she returned home she found out her daughters were dead. I was trying to listen to the news in the other room, but didn't hear the exact story. Sorry if this is misinformation. Thanks for your response.

Posted by: joesamas mama at January 3, 2008 6:09 PM

It seems now that on Fox 4 in Dallas that the mom and two daughters all worked at a Krogers (grocery store) but resigned I believe either Christmas eve or New Years eve and the mom left and the dad filed a missing person report on the mom and when she returned home she found out her daughters were dead. I was trying to listen to the news in the other room, but didn't hear the exact story. Sorry if this is misinformation. Thanks for your response. Pelayo

Posted by: joesamas mama at January 3, 2008 6:10 PM

Sorry for the double post.

Posted by: joesamas mama at January 3, 2008 6:13 PM

Here's another article. It's on the Dallas Morning News' website, but it was buried through three or four links (sort of like being on the back page of a newspaper).

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/latestnews/stories/010408dnmetteens.6e5973d.html

Posted by: Pelayo at January 3, 2008 6:18 PM

Thanks Pelayo, I wasn't sure if I heard the story correctly.

Posted by: joesamas mama at January 3, 2008 6:20 PM

Even after 9/11 it is still very difficult for me to realize and accept the reality that jihad has indeed come to America. Along with jihad comes a lot of other concerns such as honor killing, female genital mutilation, wife beating, and a type of religion that is totally foreign to me. Murders such as this leave me numb and grasping for an appropriate response. To me, life is precious. My son is precious to me even now that he is a grown man. I just cannot fathom this man murdering his little girls. Tragically, it will take time for American society to learn how to deal with all of the facets of this religion.


Perhaps it would be in the best interest of the United States to watch England and France very closely for a while to see how it is affecting their culture and countries. And to see how they are handling it so we don't make the same mistakes.

Posted by: Larry L. Sharp at January 3, 2008 7:02 PM

Has anyone posted this to digg? I've tried to post similar stories to digg many time, but they never show up. If you try to post a story like this, many in the media will label it as hate speech and never run it. It's insanity that this crap goes on but so many prefer to hide their heads in the sand.

Posted by: wright3279 at January 3, 2008 7:19 PM

"upset that his daughters were involved with non-Muslims."

This is clearly a hate crime then. If a white/black father killed his daughter for being involved with a white/black boy, it be a hate crime.

Muslims are extremely racist (in the broad sense) against non-Muslims, because the Koran is very racist against non-Muslims. At best we are sub-human and at worst we are non-human.

Posted by: James Martel at January 3, 2008 7:28 PM

May the police find the Mohammedan Barbarian soon and arrest him for his daughter-slaughter. The Barbarian. How evil. You are evil, Said.

Posted by: darcy at January 3, 2008 7:42 PM

Happy New Year, Darcy!

It is so sad that these girls did not know the kind of love & protection that I had growing up (and beyond) from my own Father.

I mean, as much as my husband loves & protects me, I have to say that not even he comes close to how my Dad loved & protected me all those years.

Instead these innocent girls were abused all of their life and then gunned down like disposable objects by their abusive Father. And I hesitate in calling this man "Father", because that is a title given to a true Father. A man like my Dad.

Family & friends have been robbed of the apparent gifts and zest for life that these two precious girls had - and now we are left with an evil monster to show for it.

Go get 'em boys - and then throw away the key!

Posted by: champ at January 3, 2008 8:08 PM

The status of women in Islam:

http://importflooring.com/images/doormat/welcome.jpg

Posted by: supercargo at January 3, 2008 8:16 PM

and in a Muslim country he'd be a hero...

Posted by: jewdog at January 3, 2008 9:19 PM

I have been following the local news about this issue since the story broke. Here in the Fort Hood texas area the local media is doind all it can to show off it's dhimmi status. The Local Media here seems to be going out of it's way to NOT mention that this may be an Islam inspired slaying.

Posted by: DarthMalum at January 3, 2008 9:44 PM

First of all Muslims do not care what your laws are. If Islam dictates that apostates must be killed then it is so. If Yaser thought that his daughters had become apostates then he had (in his mind) every right to kill them. This in a nutshell is why Islam is incompatable with western society. Now your liberal friends may be saying, "Well people kill eachother all of the time, and it isn't Islam", however this phenomenon is singular in that he is following Islamic scripture in a very lucid, and reasoning manner. You could say most people that kill are crazy or just went nuts or something, but this guy was following the tennents of his faith, which makes it different. Furthermore, if you take into account that quite litteraly Islam advocates the repression, subjugation, and even death of all non-Muslims you must conclude that at any moment any Muslim may act on these scriptures. Islam is a culture of fear and repression plain and simple it should be banned as a cult A.S.A.P.

Posted by: ethoman at January 3, 2008 9:55 PM

Truth is, he could be standing on the sidewalk in Garland (just to the east of Arlington) in broad daylight and not exactly stand out. Every time we go there I feel like I left the U.S. Maybe ol' Yaser will be caught, and shot, but I wouldn't hold my breath. There's too many places locally for him to hide in plain site.

Another shining example of a man who strictly follows Islam. Nothing is sacred to these pagans-not even their own children. Sickening.

Posted by: livefreeordie! at January 3, 2008 10:02 PM

This man chose his ugly religion over his beautiful daughters. Could a worse choice have been made?

Posted by: Wellington at January 3, 2008 10:22 PM

Pelayo,

I'm more than willing to concede that in a rape case, DNA would be vitally important in deciding guilt or innocence, but not all these cases are rape cases. Many -- especially those on death row -- are murder cases, and I'd like to have a little more of an explanation of how DNA got them off.

True, human's are flawed, but what's the alternative? Most people on a jury do the very best they can to render a fair and just verdict. They look at the evidence, listen to witnesses, and then discuss it with other jurors to decide guilt or innocence. I'm not all that prepared to dismiss their verdict because humans are flawed creatures.

Those jurors saw and heard things that told them that a guilty verdict was in order.

Again, I would like something more than that DNA proved someone's innocence.

Posted by: rational at January 3, 2008 10:24 PM

joesamas mama,

Perfectly intellegent observation!

Posted by: rational at January 3, 2008 10:28 PM

You Might Be a Member of the Taliban or Al Qaeda if...

10. You refine heroin for a living, but you have a moral objection to beer..

9. You own a $300 machine gun and a $5,000 rocket launcher, but you can't afford shoes.

8. You have more wives than teeth.

7. You think vests come in two styles: bullet-proof and suicide

6. You can't think of anyone you HAVEN'T declared Jihad against.

5. You consider television dangerous, but routinely carry ammunition in your robe.

4. You've never been asked, 'Does this burka make my ass look fat?'

3. You were amazed to discover that cell phones have uses other than setting off roadside bombs.

2. You've never uttered the phrase, 'I love what you've done with your cave.'

1. You wipe your butt with your bare left hand, but consider bacon unclean.

Posted by: Unbridled at January 3, 2008 10:49 PM

It seems to me that all this business about fathers killing daughters that bring dishonor upon the family is sanctioned in Islam at the Very Highest Level. After all, Allah had three daughters -- Allat, Aluzza, and Manat. They were there in a few passages of the Koran, and then suddenly they weren't mentioned any more. What happened to them? Obviously, Poppa bumped them off. Rumor has it that all three were seeing kaffir boy-friends: Allat was hanging around with a horny Greek Oympian named Zeus, Aluzza was being sweet-talked by a slick Persian named Ahura Mazda, and Manat was taking elephant rides together with Krishna. Beatings and threats meant nothing to these hussies, so Allah did what he had to do, and got rid of them. If it's good enough for the almighty, it's good enough for hundreds of millions of Moslem fathers.

Posted by: ebonystone at January 3, 2008 10:51 PM

Mr. Said was upset that his daughters were involved with non-Muslims.

Why does someone who doesn't want his children associating with non-Muslims move to a largely non-Muslim country in the first place? If he had to leave Egypt, there were twenty-one other countries he could have moved to.

Despite the many Muslim enclaves scattered around the US, association with non-Muslims cannot be avoided. Sorry guys. You have to take us bad Americans with your good Muslims. It's all part of the package that is America. No a la carte shopping. You take the whole package or you leave it.

As for "What makes Muslim immigrants to this country think they can bring this kind of behaviour with them?", the answer is simple:

US. We with our multicultural, culturally relative and morally relative society have told all comers that assimilation is not required. The US is now an address, nothing more. Even our laws are what you make of them. We call it murder. You call it honor killing. Honor killing wins. Anything less is "Americans passing judgment on another culture". Who do we think we are, anyway?

Posted by: PMK at January 3, 2008 10:58 PM

In the name of Allah, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful.

You guys have no idea of what you are talking about and everything that has been said so far is completely ignorant and hateful and Sarah would be the first one to condemn all of you guys. I was Sarah's closest friend and talked to her that morning as well as the nights before.

All this is absolutely shameful and hateful about Islam having anything to do with what happened. I know his father was the most irreligious man and had nothing to do with Islam more than the name. It is CULTURE that killed them. Her father was against them dating because of culture, not because of religion. And it is such disgusting propaganda to put the word non-Muslim. Her dad was completely against dating, he could care for hell if he found the guy to be Muslim or non-Muslim. There are many details you don't know that she told me and you will never know. She used to complain to me so much all the time that she wished her Dad would teach her about Islam and stop worshiping his culture. She told me the night before she was so jealous of me..why? Because I was born in a religious Muslim household. She begged me to get her a Qur'an which her dad was so far from Islam he did not even have a Quran for her to read in the home.

You guys have absolutely no idea. Do you want to know what we talked about all night long few nights before? She wanted to completely change herself and become a true Muslim. She had broken up with her boyfriend few days ago and told me she didn't want to live this. She called this freedom you guys are speaking of as "low" and she did not want to live like this anymore. She was proud to be a Muslim and you know what she was afraid of? She was afraid of practicing Islam because of her father! Her father put her down and she was afraid if he found out she was a faithful Muslim he would mock her and ridicule her because he was so irreligious. She was the true Muslim of the family. Amina was the same, she told my sister who was a close friend she wanted so much to be like her and stop living her life like this (My sister wears the hijab (veil) and shows everyone the freedom Islam gives them). Sarah said once she goes to college and is away from her father she will start wearing the hijab. So every single thing you guys have said against Islam, you have said against Sarah and Amina. You people have no dignity and do not deserve to shed a single tear for them as they would throw them back at your face for how ignorant and hateful you are.

I feel so sick to be wasting my tears and words about two of God's most precious servants on this disgusting website, but I know Sarah would want me to before ever talking about her, never to let Islam be insulted as in her eyes as well as all true Muslims, it is the religion that brings peace and happiness to everyone who truly follows it, and Sarah desired that and became that.

You will never be able to understand the loss and pain from their deaths and it just makes me cry even more and Sarah would be the first to cry with me about all these horrible lies being said.

May Allah bless their souls and give them the happiness they deserve and hope people stop these vicious comments and realize the true beauty of Islam that was in the hearts of both these girls.

And may their father be thrown in the lowest pit of hell for taking the lives of the two most precious jewels I ever knew and for all the suffering he caused them in their life.

Posted by: FriendofSarah at January 3, 2008 11:53 PM

You call it honor killing. Honor killing wins. Anything less is "Americans passing judgment on another culture". Who do we think we are, anyway?

Posted by: PMK at January 3, 2008 10:58 PM

I'll "pass judgment" on other subhuman, vastly inferior cultures whenever I feel like it and regardless of who might be listening! Multiculturalism might be the current trend in America but it is not mentioned in the Constitution and to the best of my knowledge, no referendum on this issue has been presented to the American people, who have the right to decide whether America will remain united or become a Balkanized nation of competing minority groups. I opt for the former because unity is the only way we will survive as a nation.
People that are so fond of their native cultures that they cannot assimilate do not belong in this country. It's fine to preserve one's native culture and roots to a certain extent within the family structure, but non-assimilation is not the way we do it here and it should not be acceptable, ever! Why would people who love their native lands so much that they can't learn English or adapt to American culture come here in the first place? I'll tell you why: to exploit us! Who needs them?

We don't have to play along with the PC Gestapo; I never do. That's the problem; everyone is afraid to speak their minds for fear of being called nasty names. I don't care what left-wing hypocrites call me because they can't run me out of town, ostracize me, threaten my job security, or do anything else that would be detrimental to my happiness or livlihood. Until people start violating the unwritten laws of political correctness en masse, this crap will only get worse.

Posted by: Susanp at January 3, 2008 11:55 PM

FriendofSarah,

You are a bald-faced liar and a provacoteur. Sarah and her sister's death is tragic, but the responsibility rests with her father, the fugitive.

Your superficial, and weepy, long-winded attempt to seperate Islam from the heinous act by Mr. Said is wasted here.

Tou are an amateur and out of your league, so save your fabricated crocodile tears for someone else.

The comments about the father were from the boyfriends of the deceased girls.

I am forwarding this to Mr. Spencer in short order to prevent you from spreading further lies in your sad attempt to smear this site.

Posted by: awake at January 4, 2008 12:02 AM

FriendofSarah

Ok, I am calling you out. You are really a troll!

You statements go counter to their myspace pages and also the statements posted by her friends there.

Islamic culture killed them. That is why daddy fled to Egypt now no doubt. You wanna guess why?

We non-muslims bring scum like him to justice. How come so many muslim countries will not?

Posted by: greatcometof1577 at January 4, 2008 12:02 AM

Hey comet,

Glad to see am I am not "patrolling" alone.

Regards.

Posted by: awake at January 4, 2008 12:07 AM

awake

You are AWAKE!

Posted by: greatcometof1577 at January 4, 2008 12:09 AM

For Pete's sake. Prove it, pretzel boy.

Where is your picture in the school yearbook? Where's your myspace page showing these girls as your friends?

If you were their friends you would use your real name.

You are probably a Muslim hanger-on who knew of the girls through school or mosque or somesuch other loose association, but your argument is silly and laughable.

What culture is that, exactly, that is against dating? Which "culture" that is NOT regligiously inspired forbids dating? Hmmmm?

You Muslim apologists are like Soviets in your bald-faced lies and brazen fiction.

How do you think this helps your religion by posting this ridiculous post?

And Pelayo, by the way, a man can rape a woman and not ejaculate. If she had intercourse previously, then that DNA would exonerate him. There are other factors. It's just that the story on the MSM was incomplete. That's all that was being pointed out. Also, what on earth does that have to do with this story? Tired of red herrings. ((yawn))

Posted by: winoceros at January 4, 2008 12:20 AM

The West need not walk on eggshells regarding these vengeance murders against females carried out by male family members — which, by the way, do not happen to be our custom in Canada or the USA. Perceived loss of “honor” triggers crimes more heinous than anything the poor victim smight have done, and in many cases she has done nothing improper.

Just say no to honor killings. No cop out of political correctness. No cultural or moral relativism. No killing your women, not here, not anywhere, ever.

We must speak out for the victims whose screams have been silenced. We _are_ our sisters’ keepers.

Karen Tintori, author
Unto the Daughters: The Legacy of an Honor Killing in a Sicilian-American Family
www.karentintori.com

Posted by: Karen Tintori at January 4, 2008 12:27 AM

FriendofSarah: You're either a fraud or deluded.

Posted by: Wellington at January 4, 2008 12:31 AM

Karen Tintori,

Your point is noted and agreed with. Unfortunately your comment lends credence to the position that "honor killings", although a global problem to a degree, is not specific to Islam.

There is always a "McVeigh moment" in history, but your comment is not particularly helpful. Quite the contrary, actually.

Regards.

Posted by: awake at January 4, 2008 12:36 AM

awake,

I agree, but if only to illustrate that the proper analogy to Islamic honor killings is a mafioso mentality. Again, organized crime.

Best analogy available.

I'm sorry for your experiences, Karen.

Posted by: winoceros at January 4, 2008 12:48 AM

Karen Tintori: Interesting post. Traditionally, have honor killings been an occurrence throughout Italy or have these been peculiar to Sicily? What about other southern European countries? Also, what percentage of honor killings today would you estimate are carried out by Muslims?

Posted by: Wellington at January 4, 2008 12:49 AM

Karen,

I just re-read your post, and I apologize if my inference about the Mafia was incorrect.

Posted by: winoceros at January 4, 2008 12:50 AM

FriendofSarah

Are you here to tell all of us that culture was the cause of these killings?

You're right. Islamic culture.

You also mentioned the hijab giving Muslim women freedom. Freedom from what, vitamin D, Calcium, and a disease free skeletal system?

You sound like you're as delusional as the false prophet desert nomad Mumammad did with all of his jibberish.

Go write a column and send it to CAIR. They'd love a good little Mohammedan like you.

Posted by: Prickzilla at January 4, 2008 12:50 AM

FriendofSarah:

You are one sick person. Have you no shame? How can you weave a fiction it obviously took you a long time to write about two recently murdered girls to serve your own ends, whatever they are, Islamist or leftist or trollish whatever. Have some respect for the murdered children.

Posted by: Wimbledon Womble at January 4, 2008 12:55 AM

FriendOfSarah said

She begged me to get her a Qur'an which her dad was so far from Islam he did not even have a Quran for her to read in the home.

Another attempt to convert the dead to Islam.

Utter depravity.

Posted by: special_guest at January 4, 2008 1:11 AM

‘Honor Killing’ comes to Sydney

http://sheikyermami.com/2008/01/04/honor-killing-comes-to-sydney/

Girl, 13, strangled by ther dad. (Iranian)

Posted by: sheik yer'mami at January 4, 2008 1:31 AM

FriendofSarah,

We don't have to rely on the murders of these two unfortunate girls to tell us about Islam.

Every act of terrorism in this world is commited by Muslims, and they don't pretend about why they're commiting their atrocities. They openly say that they are doing it for Allah, and for the advancement of Islam.

Islam is the scourge of civilized people everywhere.

The Father of these two children was acting in a way that was perfectly consistent with the murderous nature of Islam.

It is an abomination to even suggest that Islam came from almighty God.

I suggest you study up on your religion and the screwball that started it all. But be prepared to be imbarrassed and ashamed of what you learn.

Posted by: rational at January 4, 2008 1:32 AM

All the blind Americans that have been living in denial over Islam being behind 9/11 should take a good at this Honour killing and the several that happened in canada that the media won't cover .

If these devout Muslims will slaughter their daughters for Allah over a minor offense , just imagine how quickly they would volunteer to murder your non-Muslim daughter for Allah's cause to make the USA a Caliphte run by Sharia law.

My worry is that the Muslims will turn the West into a Baghdad where they bomb each others Mosque while playing the victim to gain favour with us to paint the other Musoims as the bad ones , since there is not one islamic nation on Earth right now where Human Rights for all is being respected I really doubt the Islamists will stop their bloodbath crusade that slaughters anyone in their way .
So the Peace angle is a real load of tripe to fool the infidels that if only Israel would give back the land they gained when Arabs lost it by starting a War they thought they would win by were crushed by a small Army of people defending Freedom.

Give it up Muhammad , the more the Quran is exposed in the west the more people see how diluted you were to believe the voices in your head and actually think God would let you rape a 9 year old girl when you are in your 50's .

Posted by: ala-sux at January 4, 2008 1:48 AM

Karen Tintori, FriendofSarah … desperation on the part of Islam here? Yeah I think so. While honor killings happen in non-western cultures these practices can not base their practices in religious fervor, but on an a-morphic cultural code of ethic, however in the case of Islam you can point to divine law based on holy scriptures to enforce these practices. This happens to be the rub if you understand. If it is holy “law” it is quite different than some cultural code of ethic. As we all know apostasy in Islam carries the death sentence … deny this if you will … troll. Islam and proponents of Islam wish to enforce this code of theocratic law on the world. The children of the west must be taught the truth about their cultural heritage and the forces of evil that align themselves against our severity. Only then will we be able to defend our heritage against this evil.

Posted by: ethoman at January 4, 2008 2:05 AM

The media is too infatuated with the unimportant Iowa town hall "voting" to be bothered by this story. It looks like those people were voting for student council president. geez.

Posted by: Bingo at January 4, 2008 2:36 AM

greatcometof1577

In response to your duck hunting comment waaaay up. Checked, duck season is still open in Texas.

Posted by: Kevin at January 4, 2008 2:42 AM

"FriendofSarah",

As pointed out by winoceros above, the following favorites, copied from Amina Said's Myspace page, are inconsistent with your above assertions, concerning the religiosity of the two victims:

"General I like talking on the phone, traveling, hanging out with friends, and just havin a good time! (:
Music I know as soon as you see country you're gonna be like ewwwwwwwwww! But, for all you stereotypical ppl it's not that bluegrass crap... so ya I like country.. and hip hop and r&;b... most music is cool..... ppl express themselves differently and even if it sux to you.. it's beautiful in it's own way!
Movies DEFINATELY Titanic and The Notebook above all others. And then there's A Beautiful Mind, A walk to Remember, THE FIRST Pirates of the Carribean, The Pursuit of Happiness.. that was a beautiful movie! I love Will Smith! And a kajillion others that I can't think of right now!
Television I like staying up and watchin Southpark with my closest friend on the phone... it doesn't sound fun but it's the highlight of my day...
Books Native Son was a really good book... but it was kinda disturbing! I read the Lemony Snicket series forever ago, but still love it.
Heroes um......... heroes? ru kidding me? I'm not 5.... "

http://www.myspace.com/semirockerchic

And note the choice of name immediately above.

Posted by: del at January 4, 2008 3:16 AM

RE: friendsofsarah
Look at the writing and contrast it with the myspace writing.
If their teenage friends thought these girls were geniuses this school must be exemplary in it's educational level.
If that post was written by a teenager, I would like to introduce myself as Geo Washington.

Posted by: Aunt Bea at January 4, 2008 6:11 AM

"I know his father was the most irreligious man and had nothing to do with Islam more than the name. It is CULTURE that killed them"

.......yep....Islamic culture....

Sura (3:118) - "O you who believe! do not take for intimate friends from among others than your own people, they do not fall short of inflicting loss upon you; they love what distresses you; vehement hatred has already appeared from out of their mouths, and what their breasts conceal is greater still; indeed, We have made the communications clear to you, if you will understand." This verse not only warns Muslims not to take non-Muslims as friends, but it establishes the deep-seated paranoia that the rest of the world is out to get them.

Sura (9:23) - "O ye who believe! Choose not your fathers nor your brethren for friends if they take pleasure in disbelief rather than faith. Whoso of you taketh them for friends, such are wrong-doers" Even family members are not to be taken as friends if they do not accept Islam. (This is the mildest interpretation of this verse from the 9th Sura, which also advocates "slaying the unbeliever wherever ye find them").

Posted by: exsgtbrown at January 4, 2008 6:28 AM

"FriendofSarah" hasn't reappeared? Figures - a total troll. Save your "taqiyya" troll - it's obvious from the myspace info that these girls didn't care a fig about Islam. And that apparently angered Daddy Dearest a whole lot.

These 2 murders are obviously Islamic daughter-slaughter.

BTW, "allah" doesn't exist. And, if he did, he'd be the LEAST "merciful and compassionate" Deity going. Who needs him? Piss Be Upon him and UPON the 7th century huckster of this pagan moon god, Mohammed the Sociopath.

Posted by: darcy at January 4, 2008 7:56 AM

its too bad the sisters didn't realize how serious Islam is and get out sooner. Maybe we would have 2 more bright geniuses to help roll back the islamic tide.

Posted by: John_Doe at January 4, 2008 10:23 AM

Now come on, aren't we all being islamophobic here? After all, he was merely exercising his right to follow "his" culture whilst living in "our" culture. You really should all be ashamed of yourselves and take a leaf out of the British multicultural Utopia we have created over here. The government will defend to the death (the death of you and I that is)the right of muslim fathers to kill their daughters for daring to mix with the dirty infidels in dirty infidel countries. We allow gential mutilation and honour killings as an expression of culture and as a celebration of diversity. We all love living here, every day is a joyful experience of shared community and a celebration of all cultures (excpept ours obviously). And what is a little parental murder when you compare it with all the benefits of multiculturalism, like suicide bombers, or media blackouts on muslim peadophile rings, or government backing of terrorist organisations, or the harbouring of wanted terrorists, or people coming to live here with the single intention of destroying our culture and replacing it with one invented by a child molester.

Shame on you all.

NOW THAT'S SARCASM.

Posted by: DaveMate at January 4, 2008 10:53 AM

FriendofSarah:

My condolences to you on the loss of a friend. Maybe we'll argue theology a bit later, when some of the hurt is healed. I know that if one of my close friends was murdered by a close relative, I'd be pretty torn up, too.

Kepha

Posted by: Kepha at January 4, 2008 11:45 AM

Friend of Sarah sounds a lot like someone who really CAIRs.

Posted by: dms at January 4, 2008 12:30 PM

FriendofSarah

The two young women would be alive today if they had run away from their abusive Islamic father.

Read the "Trouble with Islam" by Irshad Manji. She was almost killed by her Islamic father.

Oh, read the Qur'an, as well. I have, and frankly, there is not much in the way of religion in it.

Posted by: tanstaafl at January 4, 2008 12:49 PM

Thank you FriendofSarah and Kepha for giving us testimony regarding the extent to which a muslim will lie to preserve the image of Islam.

You are both - if there are in fact two of you - lying shameless ghouls, and further laughably incompetent ones. Taking your English skills into account, you're some of the best I've seen!

I will add your comments to a scrapbook I'm keeping that PROVES that ALL muslims are liars. You've been wonderful.

Posted by: Ecclesiastes at January 4, 2008 12:58 PM

it is common practice for egyptian americans to shave their body and head completely before returning to their motherland on vacation. reason - get rid of everything grown while staying in sinfull usa. tell me please, why the .... we allow these ... ..... to live in this country. when are we going to learn.

Posted by: swimmer at January 4, 2008 12:59 PM

Culture or religion??? What does it matter, one of the two was the reason. I don't know which is worse, but they're both really bad reasons to kill someone in OUR society.

Posted by: gymgal at January 4, 2008 1:09 PM

"Read the "Trouble with Islam" by Irshad Manji. She was almost killed by her Islamic father" --posted above

The trouble with Manji is she still worships the non-existent pagan moon deity. Sorry, I can't take her seriously. Wafa Sultan, Nonie Darwish and Hirsi Ali - Yes. Irshad Manji - No.

Posted by: darcy at January 4, 2008 1:20 PM

She wanted to completely change herself and become a true Muslim. She had broken up with her boyfriend few days ago and told me she didn't want to live this. She called this freedom you guys are speaking of as "low" and she did not want to live like this anymore......She told me the night before she was so jealous of me..why? Because I was born in a religious Muslim household. ~ from a poster above

So according to her so-called “close friend” ( a self proclaimed pious Moslem )she ( Sarah ) wasnt really a “pious Moslem”, is that because she had a myspace page, a boyfriend, she watched TV and listened to music, all very un-Islamic lowly American freedom type things?

I know his father was the most irreligious man and had nothing to do with Islam more than the name........ She was afraid of practicing Islam because of her father!

The father is quickly deemed “not a true Moslem” while the girl is now suddenly deemed a “true Moslem”, how conveniently it becomes a crime not caused by Islam but specifically against Islam.

All this is absolutely shameful and hateful about Islam having anything to do with what happened.....I feel so sick to be wasting my tears and words about two of God's most precious servants on this disgusting website, but I know Sarah would want me to before ever talking about her, never to let Islam be insulted as in her eyes as well as all true Muslims, it is the religion that brings peace and happiness to everyone who truly follows it, and Sarah desired that and became that.

She’s not a true Moslem, she is a true Moslem, yet the father couldn’t be, because that could be construed as an insult to Islam and we cant have that. She had a myspace page and her “close friend” found this ‘disgusting web site’ yet these true followers couldn’t find the Qur’an on-line or even at the local book store?
If you dare question Islam you are deemed an ‘ignorant hater’, not because you read the Qur’an and question its to numerous to mention contradictions or you also read the Hadith and find the morals contained within to be way below your own standards and largely illegal in western countries, its because you dared question and thus insult the prophet who never prophesied and those who worship him.

Posted by: Bar at January 4, 2008 1:31 PM

Darcy -

Nevertheless - Manji's pa is just another example of this mysterious culture that seems to dictate the abuse of the wife and daughters. Must be a coincidence that he is a Muslim.

Posted by: tanstaafl at January 4, 2008 3:05 PM

TO Del,

Thanks for posting the link to my space. It was very helpful in forming my own judgment as to Friendof Sarah’s authenticity.

Although before death conversions certainly do occur, all the evidence to date would lead a reasonable person to conclude that there was no religious awakening as FriendofSarah has described. Unless or until evidence can be produced to verify this post, I shall consider it a classic example of taquiya.

Posted by: patagonianplato at January 4, 2008 3:56 PM

"I know his father was the most irreligious man and had nothing to do with Islam more than the name."

Oh, I think he was a very religious Muslim.

It's interesting that those two girls looked so comfortable in their own skin and the tank tops and camisoles they wore. If they wanted to change their lives and live as true Muslims they would have started by wearing longer sleeves and higher necklines. And they would have gotten rid of what looks to be their beloved dogs.

What you want to bet that the person posting as FriendofSarah is really her dad?

Posted by: Isabellathecrusader at January 4, 2008 6:55 PM

This murderer looks like Saddam Hussein, a little younger and few less pounds.

Posted by: BB at January 5, 2008 11:48 AM

FriendofSarah

I had a remark for you but it seems there is nothing left to say. You have been exposed utterly and completely for the fraud and troll that you are. Don't bother coming back under another moniker as you are too transparent to avoid detection.

Posted by: pismopal at January 5, 2008 1:11 PM