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Infiltration Update. Here is a travesty for which Gordon England should be held accountable.
"Coughlin sacked," by Bill Gertz in the Washington Times:
Stephen Coughlin, the Pentagon specialist on Islamic law and Islamist extremism, has been fired from his position on the military's Joint Staff. The action followed a report in this space last week revealing opposition to his work for the military by pro-Muslim officials within the office of Deputy Defense Secretary Gordon England.Mr. Coughlin was notified this week that his contract with the Joint Staff will end in March, effectively halting the career of one of the U.S. government's most important figures in analyzing the nature of extremism and ultimately preparing to wage ideological war against it.
He had run afoul of a key aide to Mr. England, Hasham Islam, who confronted Mr. Coughlin during a meeting several weeks ago when Mr. Islam sought to have Mr. Coughlin soften his views on Islamist extremism.
Mr. Coughlin was accused directly by Mr. Islam of being a Christian zealot or extremist "with a pen," according to defense officials. Mr. Coughlin appears to have become one of the first casualties in the war of ideas with Islamism.
The officials said Mr. Coughlin was let go because he had become "too hot" or controversial within the Pentagon.
Misguided Pentagon officials, including Mr. Islam and Mr. England, have initiated an aggressive "outreach" program to U.S. Muslim groups that critics say is lending credibility to what has been identified as a budding support network for Islamist extremists, including front groups for the radical Muslim Brotherhood.
Mr. Coughlin wrote a memorandum several months ago based on documents made public in a federal trial in Dallas that revealed a covert plan by the Muslim Brotherhood, an Egyptian-origin Islamist extremist group, to subvert the United States using front groups. Members of one of the identified front groups, the Islamic Society of North America, has been hosted by Mr. England at the Pentagon.
After word of the confrontation between Mr. Coughlin and Mr. Islam was made public, support for Mr. Coughlin skyrocketed among those in and out of government who feared the worst, namely that pro-Muslim officials in the Pentagon were after Mr. Coughlin's scalp, and that his departure would be a major setback for the Pentagon's struggling efforts to develop a war of ideas against extremism. Blogs lit up with hundreds of postings, some suggesting that Mr. England's office is "penetrated" by the enemy in the war on terrorism....
Posted by Robert at January 4, 2008 3:52 PM
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at January 4, 2008 4:05 PM
((The officials said Mr. Coughlin was let go because he had become "too hot" or controversial within the Pentagon.))
So, all the IslamoNazis need to do is to stir up some controversy about someone they don't like, and that person will then be fired.
Nice...
Posted by: PersonOfTheBook at January 4, 2008 4:12 PM
How did Gordon England get his job?
I assume he is a political-appointee.
Yet another case of "You're doing a fine job Brownie"
Posted by: Mr Ape Pig at January 4, 2008 4:18 PM
Hold Bush accountable, he set the policy in the 2000 Election when he promised no profiling of Muslims or Arabs. That was made an order and was in effect no 9-11 when Atta was allowed through by an employee who thought he was a terrorist.
Bush made it policy to look the other way on Pakistan and Saudi Arabia. We would be farther ahead if the Clinton sanctions on Pakistan had been left in place and we had done nothing else.
Posted by: Old Atlantic at January 4, 2008 4:18 PM
"Bush made it policy to look the other way on Pakistan and Saudi Arabia. We would be farther ahead if the Clinton sanctions on Pakistan had been left in place and we had done nothing else."
Oh please... that has been policy of the US since we found oil in the Middle East
Posted by: Mr Ape Pig at January 4, 2008 4:21 PM
"Mr. Coughlin came under fire from pro-Muslim officials after a memorandum he wrote identified several groups that are being courted by Mr. Islam's community outreach program as front organizations for the pro-extremist Muslim Brotherhood.
Mr. Coughlin based the memorandum on documents released as evidence in a federal terrorism trial that he stated "are beginning to define the structure and outline of domestic jihad threat entities, associated nongovernmental organizations and potential terrorist or insurgent support systems."
Mr. Coughlin noted that the documents identified one of the Muslim Brotherhood front groups as the Islamic Society of North America, whose leaders were hosted by Mr. England in April at the Pentagon, raising concerns that the deputy defense secretary does not understand clearly the nature of the Islamist threat he is working against as the No. 2 official.
Mr. England has been a leading advocate of what critics in the Pentagon say is a misguided attempt to reach out to the wrong Muslims, regardless of their views, in an effort to counter Muslim extremism"
.....sounds like a man who can identify the enemy....unlike most of the politicians in office now...
at January 4, 2008 4:21 PM
Am reminded of Churchill in the pre-war wilderness.
Folks are focusing on the economy, health care, the culture, and global warming, but they don't see the issue of jihad except in relation to preventing terrorist attacks.
Posted by: StillBreathing at January 4, 2008 4:25 PM
I hope Mr. Coughlin can sue. Outrageous. Bureaucracy. Thy name is stupidity. Every agency needs someone who is "'too hot' or controversial....". How else is a policy to be formed when an agency is full of like minded? Naturally that is the goal, to eliminate anyone who doesn't toe the line in regards to islam. Of course, obviously a muslim is soooo much better at offering analysis of the islamic threats facing this nation. Is 2009 here yet?
Posted by: Kevin at January 4, 2008 4:26 PM
.....sounds like a man who can identify the enemy....unlike most of the politicians in office now...
by exsgtbrown
It's what made him dangerous. He made his bosses look bad. He showed them up. Can't have that.
The comparison with Churchill is a good one. We can only hope we get the right stuff in office before we are destroyed. Elections are coming up. It's all up to us.
Posted by: PMK at January 4, 2008 4:30 PM
Unbelievable. The Bush government is in bed with the ummah.
That's why Bolton was gone.
Who said America can be trusted to do the right thing after it does all the wrong things first?
What a waste.
Did anybody notice that Michelle Malkin is off FOX, but puffpiece Geraldo is still on?
Anybody notice that FOX also doesn't report anything about Muslims/jihad/Islam anymore, but instead focuses on missing girls, women, blond girls, raped girls, whatever, anything to not touch the enemy that has already infiltrated every level of government & the judiciary.
A sad state of affairs...
Posted by: sheik yer'mami at January 4, 2008 4:31 PM
There is only one solution to this problem - namely the problem of islamization of America in particular and West in general - that is to strip islam from its religious status and to consider it militant ideology, just like fascism and communism were at some point.
We all must concentrate exactly on this single goal, reaching which will deliver the mightiest blow to the enemy.
I am by far not the only one who thinks that way. Jim Horn spoke about status of islam in no uncertain terms addressing the National Federation of Republican Women in Sept 2007, part II at 7:40.
As long as islam is a religion, it can be legally practiced and financed in the USA. But if it is a militant ideology, there is no constitutional protection anymore. This is the fight that could be won, the fight of terminology. Call your representative and senator and tell them that you consider islam as such and such and require that they work on your behalf to denounce religious status of it. That might not work as quickly and efficiently as we would want. There may be a lawsuit required. But we need to do something!
Posted by: Charles Martel at January 4, 2008 4:31 PM
Irony Alert:
"Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction."
Deputy Secretary of Defense Gordon R. England clearly does not understanding Islamic culture, heritage, politics, systemic goals, religion, etc... He views them through his own bias which is the Westerner's most glaring weakness: Assuming the Muslim/Islamist is like us. He is not, and will never be.
You could not appease fascism. You could not appease Socialism. You cannot appease Islam. It's just the way it is. What a shame our policymakers are so ignorant on the single most important long-term issue our civilization faces.
Posted by: antishock8 at January 4, 2008 4:31 PM
It is my suspicion that people who desire all of humanity to be united as one nation, are highly sympathetic to the desire within Islam, to unite the world as one nation. Such people tend to think of themselves as 'citizens of the world', rather than by any distinct national identity.
It may be the case that there are officials in high echelons of government, who are 'citizens of the world' and actively work towards uniting the entire world as one nation.
Such people see in Islam, a common goal that must be aided in any way possible.
Posted by: Rogster at January 4, 2008 4:33 PM
It's still W's watch. What a great leader he is.
Crikey even Hillary might be an improvement.
/ducks and runs from the room
at January 4, 2008 4:34 PM
I once again nominate Secretary Gordon England as American Dhimmi of the Year for 2008.
Because there are so many possible candidates out there who are vying for this prestigious award, it’s never to early to try to get a groundswell going.
at January 4, 2008 4:35 PM
MP,
tsk tsk tsk. That comment deserves a noogie AND a wet willie at least.lol
Posted by: Kevin at January 4, 2008 4:37 PM
Is anybody keeping the score:
Silent jihadists 120, Kuffars = 0
I think!
Our boys put their lives on the line every minute of the day fighting jihadists and islamofascits in Afghanistan and Iraq, our desk bound pencil pushers and corrupt politicians put the lives our citizens on the line licking jihadis back site sitting at home!
at January 4, 2008 4:37 PM
Sheik yer’mami wrote
“Did anybody notice that Michelle Malkin is off FOX, but puffpiece Geraldo is still on? Anybody notice that FOX also doesn't report anything about Muslims/jihad/Islam anymore”
This could be due to the fact that Saudi Prince Al-Waleed owns over 5% of Murdoch’s Network. He is the same Saudi Sheik who offered 10 million to New York after 9-11. He said at the time,
"I believe the government of the United States should re-examine its policies in the Middle East and adopt a more balanced stance toward the Palestinian cause."
This believer is, in part, calling the shots at FOX.
Posted by: patagonianplato at January 4, 2008 4:49 PM
Hi folks,
there is a book discussion group called shelfari.com and lots of discussions on islam.one can even start a new group.
at January 4, 2008 4:49 PM
From EEOC Title VII
Employers may not treat employees or applicants more or less favorably because of their religious beliefs or practices - except to the extent a religious accommodation is warranted. For example, an employer may not refuse to hire individuals of a certain religion, may not impose stricter promotion requirements for persons of a certain religion, and may not impose more or different work requirements on an employee because of that employee's religious beliefs or practices.
http://www.eeoc.gov/types/religion.html
at January 4, 2008 5:05 PM
Sheik yer’mami wrote
“Did anybody notice that Michelle Malkin is off FOX, but puffpiece Geraldo is still on? Anybody notice that FOX also doesn't report anything about Muslims/jihad/Islam anymore”
This could be due to the fact that Saudi Prince Al-Waleed owns over 5% of Murdoch’s Network. He is the same Saudi Sheik who offered 10 million to New York after 9-11. He said at the time,
"I believe the government of the United States should re-examine its policies in the Middle East and adopt a more balanced stance toward the Palestinian cause."
This believer is, in part, calling the shots at FOX.
Posted by: patagonianplato
Yep that's right Pat and Sheik, did you notice a couple years ago the absences of coverage on the Eurabian Car-B-Ques France riots?
I also recall Robert Spencer talking about the avoidance of the media, fox included, in speaking about the forced conversion of the kidnapped fox journalist and cameraman. They talked at great length about the ordeal except details on their conversion to the religion of peace.
Infiltration is widespread, and US, Western governments policies are all committing suicide.
Posted by: Sneakyzionistcrusader at January 4, 2008 5:06 PM
Malignant cancer of the vital organs. Prognosis poor.
Posted by: poetcomic1 at January 4, 2008 5:07 PM
Unbelievable. The Bush government is in bed with the ummah.
Posted by: sheik yer'mami at January 4, 2008 4:31 PM
This is the price for not impeaching Bush for interfering with 9/11 commission. Attentive Americans would have know about Bush involvement with petro-dollars even before election:
http://www.inthesetimes.com/issue/25/25/feature3.shtml
But right after 9/11, Bushs feet should have held to fire and no, for the right reasons, that would not be American:
- Right after Islamists attacked on 9/11, this: http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2001/09/20010917-11.html
- Bush sided with Saudi Arabia and not 9/11 Commission: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/07/30/world/main565782.shtml
- While "Bandar Bush" was involved in this: http://mattwelch.com/NatPostSave/bandar.htm
- And this is where the phony 'war on terror' stands: http://whitehouser.com/war/white-house-fox-news-leak-helps-al-qaida/
.. and lies, that follow: http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/05/20030516-15.html
at January 4, 2008 5:11 PM
I am glad I no longer have any family members in the military.
The idea of pro-muslim "in the Pentagon is disgusting to me.
When God closes a door he opens a window.
Maybe this gentleman can be more effective 'outside' the memo-writing, desk-hugging crowd that occupies that building. He will probably make more money. there are plenty of business people who aren't taken in by this crap. Who need real intelligence.
At least he will be out of the line of fire the next time an airplane gets flown into the building.
I don't want to hear that it wasn't Muslims who flew that plane. We are way beyond all that.
at January 4, 2008 5:15 PM
How many still do not understand that the Saudis own the U.S. along with the Chinese and we fall in line with their requests ?
America ,the Titanic on her final voyage ,looking hard for the iceberg in the night while the Captain is below deck playing pimp master with what is left of the ship's prized posessions and wealthy patrons in sultan's garb before reaching it's destination ,the deep,deep blue.
Posted by: rocketman at January 4, 2008 5:21 PM
Why the hell don't these people who are sacked and vilified join to together and fight back? The USA needs an anti-islamist party - or at least one anti-islamist presidential candidate.
Posted by: Stephen Gash SIOE England at January 4, 2008 5:24 PM
It is not called FOX without reason. They have swallowed the old Religion of peace, Hijacked BS in a big way as of late.
From fair and Balanced to Fairly Unbalanced and not quite as honest as it once was, or tried to be anyway.
We Sheep go BAH BAH BAH as the Wolves eat us one by one. While the Boy meant to watch over them is a Mute.
Posted by: flowerknife_us at January 4, 2008 5:31 PM
Let us assume all kinds of things about Stephen Coughlin. Let us assume he was difficult. Let us assume he was not willing to display the kind of deference to those in brief authority in the Pentagon, and who -- whatever their ignorance about essential matters -- think such deference is due. Let us assume he did not know how to control his tongue.
But in the end, so what? None of that would or should matter, were any of it true. What matters is that he has had the intelligence and good sense to study Islam before making assumptions about it, or at a higher level, making policies based on those ignorant assumptions. He is aware of the fact that Muslims -- as Bernard Lewis has noted and perhaps should take the occasion to remind Cheney -- are perfectly willing to behave dceptively in order to protect the faith. This is not a fabrication. Taqiyya and kitman can be looked up; their origins, their meaning, can be discovered.
The most effective and least expensive (never again must the hideous squandering of men, money, and materiel, as in Tarbaby Iraq, ever be repeated) way to conduct a war of self-defense against the Jihad, which is nothing but the sum of all the local Jihads everywhere, in Dar al-Islam (against the remaining non-Muslims wherever they are deemed insufficiently submissive) and in Dar al-Harb, is first of all to recognize that the chief instruments of the Jihad are the Money Weapon, Da'wa, and demographic conquest, and that these, as opposed to the easily recognized weapon of terrorism, are likely to be perceived and dealt with resolutely only by those who have come to understand the texts, the tenets, the attitudes of Islam. Such people are, it turns out, at this point quite few in number. Stephen Coughlin is one of them. He is therefore to be protected, not punished, whatever personality problems he may pose to the likes of England and others "taking a leadership role."
This is an intolerable act by those who do not understand how it will be perceived by the outside world. Muslims will be heartened. Hisham Islam -- what about Hashim Islam? If Coughlin is to go, then Hisham Islam certainly must go, and he should never have been hired in the first place for the cockamamie outreach nonsene to Muslims that one thought had been limited to tne likes of Karen Hughes, not to hard heads (where are those hard heads?) in the Pentagon.
For how can anyone even discuss, much less plan, ways to divide and demoralize the Camp of Islam, if Muslims -- whose sole loyalty as Believers is supposed to be to Islam and to the Umma (if it isn't, that Believer is not a good Believer) - with Muslims such as Hashim Islam sitting right there. How can the Pentagon personnel try to devise ways, for example, to push Islam back in East Africa, or to clearly take the side of the Christians in West Africa (including Nigeria) should another Biafra-like movement develop? How can they make plans to appeal to the resentments of non-Arab Muslims against Arab Muslims, and to encourage the correct view of Islam as a vehicle for Arab supremacism, with hisham-islams all over the place, listening in, inhibiting thought, discussion, plans?
It can't be.
In any case, it is those who have engineered this firing who should be watched from now on like hawks. As for England, or those who back him, what will happen to them? What is Cheny going to do? What is Bush going to do? Anything? Or is he still mired in his dyslexic dream of bringing "freedom" to "ordinary moms and dads" in the Middle East, and is going to leave office as innocent of Islam as he was when he entered it? what can one say? The whole thing dismays and disgusts.
Posted by: Hugh at January 4, 2008 5:53 PM
Military Intelligence is an oxymoron, like Business Ethics.
I'm beginning to understand how it is that we've spent almost a trillion dollars and thousands of lives in Iraq to wind up with a pro-Iranian regime there. Well, this is what happens when you don't get it.
at January 4, 2008 5:54 PM
My head aches.
/sigh
at January 4, 2008 6:03 PM
"I'm The Decider" George W. Bush
I take him at his word.
Posted by: greatcometof1577 at January 4, 2008 6:06 PM
Now that Hugh was kind enough to explain it, I can recognize this as an anti-Huizinga moment. Ironically, even as the Dutch are standing up for the protection of their own society, we are standing down.
If yesterday's news that the Dutch are blocking Iranians from access to their nuclear information was a highlight, today's news that anti-jihadists can be fired inside our military by Muslims is a nadir.
Posted by: special_guest at January 4, 2008 6:11 PM
Did anybody notice that Michelle Malkin is off FOX, but puffpiece Geraldo is still on?
Difficult, since I stopped watching O'Reilly and Hannity long ago. (Too many missing woman of the week stories) The 6 p.m. show has never had her as a regular guest.
Are you sure Malkin didn't find greener pastures? Maybe she dumped Fox instead of the other way around. They also used to have Ann Coulter on all the time.
Posted by: PMK at January 4, 2008 6:15 PM
Hugh said
Let us assume he was difficult. Let us assume he was not willing to display the kind of deference to those in brief authority in the Pentagon
Consider George S. Patton, and the role that that extremely ornery and temperamental man was allowed to play in another conflict, in a time of greater moral clarity.
Posted by: special_guest at January 4, 2008 6:17 PM
The whole thing dismays and disgusts. - Hugh
Exactly.
at January 4, 2008 6:18 PM
So all those poor souls lost their lives to a 9/11 Islamofacsist suicide Pilot who flew the plane into the Pentagon for Allah's cause and all along he could have just walked in through the front door as we see today because of the Bogus Islamophobia lawsuits and Muslim revenge to get people fired who may stand in the way of CAIR's crusade for a Caliphate ruled by Shariah law.
Eveyone keep track of which Politician sold-out to the Jihadists because when the crap hits the fan after a full-out Jihad by the thugs ruled by CAIR and the Saudis you'll be on your own to defend yourself , this will be a good time to purge the Gene-Pool of the defective DNA's that have lost the "Survival" Codes that help preserve Peace and stability .
I don't look forward to war , but I do look foward enough in time to see it's the only answer to save the most number of people who will die to defend Freedoms by stopping the Islamofacsists that fear Life and Freedom while embracing death to be with Allah.
This will be the "Green Dawn" in America and the first Mosque to fire a shot at civilian will be toast no matter who is in it , Human Rights are for Humans and not savage animals worshipping a Death Cult started by a pedophile misogenist .
Allah Sucks
at January 4, 2008 6:19 PM
From the comments above:
Are you sure Malkin didn't find greener pastures? Maybe she dumped Fox instead of the other way around. They also used to have Ann Coulter on all the time. - Posted by: PMK
Michelle answered this in October:
http://michellemalkin.com/2007/10/15/stiiiiill-going/
". . . I made the decision to quit appearing on the O’Reilly show in response to the poor handling of the Geraldo Rivera matter (in case you hadn’t heard, he threatened to spit on me because of my views about illegal immigration and his staged “apology” on The Factor was a complete farce). I won’t go into details, but please know that your support means a lot to me. You can catch me on other Fox News shows and read my daily blog posts and weekly columns at MichelleMalkin.com.Posted by: justamomof4
at January 4, 2008 6:23 PM
ala-sux said
I don't look forward to war , but I do look foward enough in time to see it's the only answer to save the most number of people who will die to defend Freedoms
By actions such as this one, and by ardently refusing to take simple and obvious steps to defend ourselves, our "leaders" are systematically removing all other options.
If we can regain the freedom to discuss jihad in the media and in the Pentagon, we can still avoid the looming disaster.
Posted by: special_guest at January 4, 2008 6:30 PM
Meanwhile, an anti-islamic party is forming in Germany.
http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,526225,00.html
Posted by: supercargo at January 4, 2008 6:40 PM
Reload more ammo. There is a clash of cultures/religions coming and I'm afraid it won't be fought in some far away place, but here on our own streets.
And the continued need for the 2nd amendment will be abundantly clear.
Posted by: walterc at January 4, 2008 6:40 PM
Charles M.
Not only do you have the coolest screen name, you are making a LOT of sense - I have been putting off going to my rep, even when he has a "home town meeting" almost once a month here in the bay area (Less then a mile away. )
What if everyone here actually got up from their keyboards and made the effort to go to their congressional rep's town hall, town meeting, open house or whatever the rep calls it, and TELL them exactly what Charles M said above - Islam is NOT a religion as most of us think of one, and SHOULD NOT have tax free status -
Getting that changed won't happen overnight, but it will NEVER happen if we leave it to someone else.
PS: I LOVE the joke about the last time the French Army was successful with a Frenchman in charge (neither Joan of Arc or Napoleon count as they weren't men from France), was with Charles the Hammer in charge.
Posted by: RecycledCG at January 4, 2008 6:42 PM
RE: Islam & Jihad-
Is President Bush
1) A weak leader/decider?
2) Ignorant?
3) Just plain "silly"?
4) A collaborator?
Some of each perhaps?
Posted by: Charles Bogle at January 4, 2008 6:42 PM
Any good department administrator would want to have opposiong views from different people in order to make intellegent policy decisions.
If England wants to have a Hasham Islam advising him on the peaceful religion of Islam, that is his privlige as an administrator, but without a Coughlin to counter Islam's rose colored pictures of Islamic culture and teachings, how can he make an informed decisions about anything.
Obviously, England has opted for the fantasy world of Islam, over the hard-headed reality of Mr. Coughlin.
Sounds to me like England is no administrator, unqualified to be in charge of a government department, especially a department related to national security.
England must go!!!
Posted by: rational at January 4, 2008 6:43 PM
There is no government effort to stop creeping Islamization of our society. The efforts of the government are directed towards stopping dramatic, large scale attacks, and making sure that attacks on individuals appear as random criminal acts or go unreported. As a result, cozying up to those with a "nonviolent" Islamic agenda at the expense of those who would protect the culture more vigorously is seen as a reasonable tradeoff. Unfortunately, that "reasonableness" is only an illusion, since it offers peace only while the Islamists are relatively weak, while it guarantees them an avenue to strengthen their position.
Our government is apparently more worried about confrontation with a minority seeking to dominate our system from within than the confrontation with a much larger group of "law abiding" citizens.
Isn't it fascinating how many of the same people in government and the media who were quick to say that only brutal dictators like Sadam could control they irrational mindset of the Middle East could not bring themselves to exercise any control over our border to make certain that this mindset wasn't imported, en mass, into the United States.
The result, whether planned or not, is a concerted effort to: (1) keep our borders from being controlled and (2) make certain that the totalitarian political system of Islam maintains religious legal protections.
This will be a fatal mistake for many civilians, government officials, and their progeny in the future, as has been demonstrated in every country on Earth with a significant Muslim population.
Yes, we're screwed, but not as screwed as the politicians and business leaders who can't seem to dig themselves out of the holes of deceit and treachery they've dug into. Their continued low polling numbers are symptomatic of a problem their wealth and power will do nothing to cure, and danger it will do nothing to protect them from. If the situation goes unchecked and civil society breaks down, there will be a lot of people in the U.S. with a "special place" in their hearts for these "leaders".
at January 4, 2008 6:43 PM
supercargo - Robert has warned that mainstream failure to deal with Islamic immigration and extremism could lead to the rise of fascist parties. Now we see Germany and other countries fielding such parties, specifically because of Islam.
Posted by: jewdog at January 4, 2008 6:51 PM
justamomof4,
Thanks for the Malkin update. Their treatment of the illegal alien issue turned me off. I never heard the Geraldo comment. Typical of the Left. Try to intimidate those who refuse to be taken in by your dogma. It's one thing Leftists have in common with Islam. Partners in crime.
Posted by: PMK at January 4, 2008 6:56 PM
For those who may not recall, the memo that was mentioned in the story was reported at JW in September: http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/018134.php#comments
The same reporter's(Gertz) told that in Senate Hearings on September 10. 2007 Senator Joe Lieberman asked leaders of several agencies in charge of intelligence and nations security what they were doing to counter jihadist ideology in their respective departments. here are the replies:
1. FBI Director Robert S. Mueller III announced that the FBI has no counter-ideology response other than its “outreach” to Muslim-American communities;
2. Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff admitted nothing is being done domestically to battle "Islamist extremist ideas". The department’s incident management team, he said, is "focused on civil rights or civil liberties — not fighting terrorists’ ideology";
3. National Counterterrorism Center Chief , Retired Vice Adm. Scott Redd, who has a strategic operational role in countering terrorism, said one of the “four pillars” of the U.S. war strategy is the “war of ideas,” but he noted that there is no “home office” for that effort in the United States;
4. Director of National Intelligence, Retired Vice Adm. Mike McConnell, , said the intelligence community does not conduct any battle of ideas against terrorists in the United States unless there is a foreign connection;
Caughlin was fired because of a memo he wrote that Islam objected to:
Caughlin was trying to tell them that muslim "outreach" was counter productive. Here is part of his memo:
"consequently, outreach strategies must be adjusted in the face of credible information that seeming Islamic humanitarian or professional nongovernmental organizations may be part of the global jihad with potential for being part of the terrorist or insurgent support system," he said.
"such outreach can cause those responsible for its success to so narrowly focus on the outreach relationship that they miss the surrounding events and lose perspective.... This could undermine unity of effort in homeland security, lead to potential for embarrassment for the [U.S. government] and legitimize threat organizations by providing them domestic sanctuary."
And now he is fired for telling these idiots how foolish "outreach" is.
Lieberman ought to call Gordon England for a hearing to have him explain Caughlin's dismissal.
Posted by: USorThem at January 4, 2008 6:59 PM
"Reload more ammo. There is a clash of cultures/religions coming and I'm afraid it won't be fought in some far away place, but here on our own streets. "
The corrupt,treasonous U.S.Governement will never bite the hand that feeds it.
They will take the side of Islam against U.S citizens.
It's already begun.
at January 4, 2008 6:59 PM
Recall this passage from Gertz's earlier report on the Coughlin/Islam dispute:
[Gordon England's] approach has kept military and civilian officials from conducting much-needed assessments of how Muslim extremists are waging war because doing so would involving analysis of Muslim religious tenets, a politically taboo subject area.
This brings to mind Stalin's disinclination to hear anything bad about his non-agression pact partner Hitler, right up until the launching of Operation Barbarossa on June 22, 1941.
Posted by: Papa Whiskey at January 4, 2008 7:04 PM
"This brings to mind Stalin's disinclination to hear anything bad about his non-agression pact partner Hitler, right up until the launching of Operation Barbarossa on June 22, 1941."
-- from a posting above
Yes, people forget how often in history the warnings have been clear. Richard Sorge found out, in distant Tokyo, by befriending the German Ambassador (Sorge had long been posing as a journalist and a fanatical Nazi), and more than befriending his wife, about the exact date of the German invasion of the Soviet Union. He got the message to Stalin. But Stalin simply refused to believe it.
Posted by: Hugh at January 4, 2008 7:08 PM
Robert,
Please Suggest a course of action for me.
Science
Posted by: science_business at January 4, 2008 7:26 PM
Assalamau Laikum all,
What is this ...a kaffur only depression club...or can anybody join...LOL?
Muslim expert... sacked like a loser!....what you have to ask yourselves is whether you are losers too...following Mr Spencer? ...is he really leading you correctly ...or up the garden path?
Mr Spencer's knowledge of Islam is like a very learned technican of chocolate ...he knows what it looks like, it's colour, it's wrapping, its chemical content, its's boiling point, what goes into the flavouring etc.....BUT HE HAS NOT TASTED IT.
What I am saying to you peoples is that you can never TRULY know ISLAM unless you have been a muslim.
So you kaaffur have to think carefully...how can you truly follow a man who has never tasted chocolate?
OVer 1.3 bilions of peoples have tasted chocolate....they may not be technicans ...but they love chocolate....so now it's your turn....eat!
at January 4, 2008 7:26 PM
Charles Martel...I'm with you.
This business with Caughlin is a disgrace. The government that allows for this is a disgrace, Brown is a disgrace and should resign...taking Islam with him...
Posted by: duh_swami at January 4, 2008 7:31 PM
What I am saying to you peoples is that you can never TRULY know ISLAM unless you have been a muslim.
Actually, I have. It's the feeling I have during a nightmare. I wake up and I think to myself "That's how scared of his fake god that a Muslim is thanks to Muhammed's false prophecies."
See, that's how a normal person sees Islam; as a nightmare. If you can get yourself into that state of mind, consider yourself cured of the Islamic delusion.
Posted by: venividivici at January 4, 2008 7:34 PM
There is no government effort to stop creeping Islamization of our society. - Posted by: RalphInfidel
True . . .yet there are apparent efforts at various levels to increase Islamization:
Why Is The UN Determining Who Becomes Humanitarian Refugees In The US?Posted by: justamomof4
at January 4, 2008 7:38 PM
Yes, people forget how often in history the warnings have been clear.
Aside from its usefulness in forecasting financial markets, the ability to conjure up a "Ghost of Christmas (Eid?) Future" would really be helpful about now. Even the most dyed in the wool appeaser might recoil from the bloodbath they'd see and steer current policy in new directions to avoid it.
History always proves someone right.
Posted by: venividivici at January 4, 2008 7:42 PM
I wonder, just how many assinine moves can this administration make before you come to the conclusion that these things are calculated and deliberate. The government is doing all it can to weaken this country.
Posted by: RED at January 4, 2008 7:43 PM
"What I am saying to you peoples is that you can never TRULY know ISLAM unless you have been a muslim."
-- from a posting above
Read "Why I Am Not A Muslim" by Ibn Warraq.
Read "Infidel" by Ayaan Hirsi Ali.
Read the forthcoming work by Wafa Sultan.
Visit Ali Sina's website www.faithfreedom.org and read the testimonies of former Muslims.
Posted by: Hugh at January 4, 2008 7:45 PM
Who said Islam never invented anything?
http://sheikyermami.com/2008/01/05/who-said-islam-never-invented-anything/
at January 4, 2008 7:53 PM
What's America going to do after the next atrocity?
Attack the wrong country again probably.
It's time to wake up now.
at January 4, 2008 7:53 PM
Better keep your powder dry, boys & girls. You're going to need it. We will eventually have to fight them here, in America, the last bastion of freedom, as always.
Posted by: countywolf at January 4, 2008 7:56 PM
Naseem, The Chocolate you refer to is extremely bitter. we see the results of those who eat it every day, day in and day out. Usually it is filled with too many Nuts who lust explode over its consumption.
Try some White Chocolate. it is much smoother. 4.5 Billion people say it is so.
Posted by: flowerknife_us at January 4, 2008 8:04 PM
Naseem said:
"What I am saying to you peoples is that you can never TRULY know ISLAM unless you have been a muslim."
You can never TRULY know being an INFIDEL unless you are an infidel.
Yet Muslims have chosen war against non-Muslims. Why? They have no idea who they are fighting. Shouldn't they try to understand infidels before waging war? How can they be sure that infidels deserve to be subjugated if they do not TRULY know what it is to be an INFIDEL?
Maybe they would like it, like green eggs and ham.
Mmmm... Ham....
Posted by: Wimbledon Womble at January 4, 2008 8:17 PM
Naseem said:
"OVer 1.3 bilions of peoples have tasted chocolate....they may not be technicans ...but they love chocolate....so now it's your turn....eat!"
By chocolate do you mean excrement? People ate that under communism and fascism too because they were forced to and had no choice. It was that or imprisonment and death.
Posted by: Wimbledon Womble at January 4, 2008 8:18 PM
"OVer 1.3 bilions of peoples have tasted chocolate....they may not be technicans ...but they love chocolate....so now it's your turn....eat!"
Naseem, I'd tell you what you can eat but it wouldn't be fit for this forum.
Posted by: alexon at January 4, 2008 8:22 PM
Why is deceit so prevalent among Muslims? Not just taqiyya but as a routine way of life. I have seen Muslims who seem to lie about everything and have no seeming moral qualms about it. Even when they are caught in a lie, they persist. Most people in the West do not lie routinely. They are afraid of being caught or just have sense of integrity.
Posted by: Wimbledon Womble at January 4, 2008 8:29 PM
Naseem is too funny. Now Spencer is leading us down the primrose path. Yeah howzat? Spencer is brainwashing all the regular posters here and some visitors? How is he doing such a thing? Is he a master magician who has cast a spell over JW/DW, and uses his books, and his knowledge of Islam as magical weapons? And to what end is RS aiming this evil ritual? Riches for himself? Power? Hot slutty womans? You mean if RS leads me down the garden path he will get slutty womans, but I wont? What a bum deal that is. If that was his goal, I might agree with you, but those are not the goals of Robert Spencer, those are the goals of Islamic jihadists.
In reality Naseem, Robert has not led anyone down any paths. Every one of Roberts 'worshipers', knows how to read, and understand. The Spencer 'worshipers' here are strong in themselves, and would resist anyone trying to take them down some dark path.
Refusal to be dragged down some dark path is why a lot of posters are here. The dark path of Islam needs illumination, and this is a good place to get it...
at January 4, 2008 8:33 PM
Hugh, thanks for the tip on 'faithfreedom.org'. I never knew there were former muslims on the planet that actually realize what thugs and killers muslims are. It's very refreshing to read the truth from people who realize how wrong islam really is. Unfortunately, they are a definite minority and are taking there lives in their hands because of the thugs in islam that would surely kill them if their identities are revealed.One has to give them credit at least as a start in the right direction.
Posted by: countywolf at January 4, 2008 8:35 PM
"So you kaaffur have to think carefully...how can you truly follow a man who has never tasted chocolate?"
It is infinitely better to agree with a man who has tasted reason. Just reason, no nutty chocolate is required.
Posted by: ausinfidel at January 4, 2008 8:41 PM
Naseem assures us that Islam feels wonderful.
I wouldn't be surprised if it did. Someone once told V S Naipaul that the 'high' he got after Friday prayers - the 'high' on which he floated - was like cocaine. But people floating on *that* 'high' laugh while they murder the Unbelievers.
It's not what it feels like; it's what it makes people do.
People hooked on Islam have left a 1350 year binge-spree trail of smashed windows and broken lives - hundreds of millions of people butchered by Jihad throughout the past 1350 years on three continents, hundreds of millions enslaved, thousands upon thousands of cities, villages, homes, families, churches and temples destroyed, thousands of square miles of once-productive forest and farmland reduced to desolation.
Sorry, Muslims. The rest of the human family - all 4.5 billion of us - have had it with the things so many of you do when you're 'flying high' on Islam. You smash things, rob, rape, kill and generally make an awful mess.
We're tired of cleaning up after you; we're not going to bail you out of jail any more.
I'm told Ali Sina and Ibn Warraq run pretty good detox clinics. Alternatively, you can try the 'healthy high' provided by, for example, Judaism or Christianity.
Time to go 'cold turkey'.
Throw the 'allah' pills in the bin before they kill your soul.
Posted by: dumbledoresarmy at January 4, 2008 8:45 PM
Tell you what, Naseem--
I'll taste your "chocolate" right after you attend Sunday Mass with me, and taste the body and blood of Christ. Deal?
Posted by: Abscedere at January 4, 2008 8:58 PM
Someone needs to inform Naseem that chocolate & caca are two different things. One is edible & sweet, the other - well I've never eaten it - so I don't know what it tastes like, but apparently it causes dementia. Ew Naseem.
Posted by: champ at January 4, 2008 9:20 PM
"Unbelievable." -- posted by shiek yer mami
Ditto. Simply unbelievable.
Reinstate Coughlin, you IMBECILES at the Pentagon.
Get rid of the Muslim. Duh. So Duh. My God, we've got dhimmi imbeciles running the country. Just like England.
Posted by: darcy at January 4, 2008 9:29 PM
Nasseem is such a total loser, isn't she? Imagine worshipping a god that DOESN'T EXIST! LOSER NASSEEM! Worships a pagan moon god!
Robert Spencer? A hero in the footsteps of Washington and Lincoln. Martel and Sobieski. Thank You, Robert Spencer, Thank You.
Posted by: darcy at January 4, 2008 9:46 PM
"Read the forthcoming work by Wafa Sultan." --posted by Hugh
"When God is a Monster." Looking forward to it. So true - "allah" - a total MONSTER.
Posted by: darcy at January 4, 2008 9:50 PM
And don't forget Darcy, that there is no ilah but Ollie, whoops, I meant Allah, but I think I like Ollie better. Ollie u Akbar, has a nice ring to it, don't you think?
Posted by: duh_swami at January 4, 2008 10:01 PM
duh_swami, I think you meant "Opie" or "Oopie" or "Poopie" - Allahu Poopie has the better ring!
LOL!
Posted by: darcy at January 4, 2008 10:04 PM
Another thing that disturbs me greatly is the 'death by terrorism' counter to the left of the page, that is always going up. I guess it can't go down, but I would like to see it stop...10314...and climbing...
Posted by: duh_swami at January 4, 2008 10:12 PM
Why is common sense so rare?
It takes a little child to tell the crowd that the Emperor is naked.
at January 4, 2008 10:13 PM
Naseem -
Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn said, 'To know the ocean requires but one sip'. islam Is like that ... we don't need to know much to know that it is bad news.
I'll take a rain-check on that chocolate ... until the end of time.
Posted by: Havoc at January 4, 2008 10:19 PM
Not good. A midling battle lost in this Hundred Years War we're in. But I have no doubt we will prevail in the long run. As Ronald Reagan used to say, the truth is a very stubborn thing. No way the stultifying totalitarianism of Islam can ever prevail in the long run over man's desire to be free. And if this isn't a truth, nothing is.
Just a comment about Naseem. This person comes across increasingly as a Muslim version of Tokyo Rose, which means the more I read Naseem's posts, the more I find her/him good for laughs. Keep it up, Naseem.
Posted by: Wellington at January 4, 2008 10:23 PM
"What I am saying to you peoples is that you can never TRULY know ISLAM unless you have been a muslim."
Naseem,
Many people know about Islam without ever having been a Muslim. Problem is they're either six feet under or their guts are splattered all over a school or public transportation vehicle.
Posted by: rational at January 4, 2008 10:34 PM
Every now and then, you accidentally nudge a rock and some scabby little creature sticks its head out and makes a clicking sound. Same with Naseem, who (or what) ever he/she/it is. Just Islamic noise. That someone would profess (or pretend to profess) belief in the rantings of an illiterate violent pedophile is enough reason to discount everything he/she says.
Posted by: Seymour Paine at January 4, 2008 10:38 PM
by the way,
If you want to be able to continue criticizing the people in government here and feel that you must do something more than type on a keyboard, don't join the military to fight the jihadists--especially if you are thinking of getting a commission.
Why is that?
see
WHY THE U.S. MILITARY MAY NOT BE THE BEST PLATFORM FROM WHICH TO FIGHT AGAINST THE JIHAD
Posted by: unicorns62000 at January 4, 2008 11:02 PM
Mr Spencer's knowledge of Islam is like a very learned technican of chocolate ...he knows what it looks like, it's colour, it's wrapping, its chemical content, its's boiling point, what goes into the flavouring etc.....BUT HE HAS NOT TASTED IT.
Naseem,
That was a funny post. Loved it.
This chocolate lover has the best kind there is (not counting dark chocolate): it's called freedom. 1.3 billion Muslims will never know freedom unless they taste it. The chocolate that you call Islam is really arsenic dressed up. It's poison to the human spirit.
It's not necessary to taste poison to understand its danger. We study the chemical makeup, boiling point and all that. Knowledge gleaned in the lab tells us that it can kill. We have 1.3 billion specimens that have tasted it and we see the effect it has on them. It's not necessary for us to taste it. That would be suicide.
When have you tasted Christianity or Buddhism or Judaism or any of the other religions? Practice what you preach.
Posted by: PMK at January 4, 2008 11:05 PM
Naseem has acquired a taste for bitter unsweetened chocolate - too bad she doesn't know what the good stuff tastes like. My mouth is watering just thinking about it!
Posted by: champ at January 4, 2008 11:38 PM
Haven't posted in months but just had to say something; had to vent. It becomes clearer and clearer to me with each passing weak the infiltration with Islam in our society becomes more apparent. From honour killings in Toronto and Dallas, to the UN Special Convention condemning Islamophobia to wealthy terrorists Middle Eastern states buying stakes in American instituions like BAC and Citibank, the long slog continues. Now this: a expert official who gets fired for knowing the true threat of Islam; things are very dissapointing. I just read that 350+ cars torched on NY's day in Holland; 370+ in France; just think about that for one second. Try and grasp the reality of having 300 cars burned in Philadelphia or Atlanta of LA. Its nuts. Furthermore, America is bankrupt and is selling off its revenue streams to the ME. Ultimately the relationship is going to become more intertwined; it will be harder to do what needs to be done. And if Barack Obama gets the presidency, its over. Sorry just had to vent
Posted by: Triumphant_Paladin at January 5, 2008 12:00 AM
All is not lost...even though Imbeciles in the upper levels are playing the PC card, there are those who speak out (and therefore will not MAKE it to those upper levels) about being indoctrinated by the suggested reading lists of Karen Hughes and John Esposito, studying, researching in the background, constantly learning and putting to good use the information retained.
Posted by: TRSTHNTR at January 5, 2008 12:35 AM
Somebody please tell me this is a case of keeping your friends close and your enemy closer.
Please!
Humor me.
Posted by: LoneRanger at January 5, 2008 12:51 AM
And worlds away from Gordon England:
An Army Major, Andy Olmsted, who wrote occasional articles for a Colorado newspaper from Iraq, was recently killed with a fellow Soldier in an ambush. He seemed to be a very good man. Anybody wishing to read his parting thoughts on Iraq and leave a kind word for his family can do it here:
http://obsidianwings.blogs.com/obsidian_wings/2008/01/andy-olmsted.html#comments
at January 5, 2008 12:52 AM
Good grief, a number of you have allowed the Naseem to sidetrack you - isn't it odd that she/they always show up when something important is being debated?
So, I am going to ask you all - all you good citizens of the USA (I am not one of you, I am British) - the hard question: what the hell are you going to do about this issue?
I don't just mean vent your anger and frustration by posting here and on other similar blogs, I mean what, in the name of all of us, are you, each and every one of you, going to do?
Are you going to email your Representative or your Senator? Are you going to write or email to your local and national newspapers? Are you going to make life unbearably difficult for your local radio and TV stations? In short, are any of you going to do anything at all, except whinge at this and other similar sites?
Hmmm. I thought not! Yet you are protected by your constitution and its amendments in many ways which we are not: all of you could do so much more than we can. But you don't and you won't.
Why am I not surprised. All mouth and no trousers or, as Edinburgh Scots have it, 'all fur coat and nae knickers'.
I ain't a citizen of the USA and in my country I don't enjoy the protections under a constitution to quite the same extent which you do, but I have already, as an interested and concerned outsider, emailed your President at the White House and expressed, in a civilised fashion, my concerns about this issue.
The least all you can do - the very least - is follow suit. I doubt that any of you have the guts to do so - it's much easier just to carry on whining at this, and other, sites.
You could make a difference! Will you?
Nah! You won't. Don't know why I even asked. Typical Yanks these days - noise, bluster but no substance!
Posted by: OliverPCamford at January 5, 2008 1:01 AM
“If you want to be able to continue criticizing the people in government here and feel that you must do something more than type on a keyboard, don't join the military to fight the jihadists--especially if you are thinking of getting a commission.”
Posted by: unicorns62000
YOU ARE A FOOL unicorns. You are the LAST person any honest man should take seriously. You have no insight, no solutions, no plan. You are a lazy, sniveling waste of oxygen that has NOTHING to offer but bile.
ANY officer in the U.S. Military has done more for this fight by simply showing up ONE DAY than you have EVER done, in your short misreable life.
Your sole purpose in life seems to be to tear down the very bulwark that might one day save your pitiful ass from slavery. Though you probably posses the basic intelligence to see this, you willfully refuse. A spoiled child on a constant tantrum.
You do nothing, but impede the progress of good men, who risk their lives to protect your dubious “right” to whine.
You are scum.
at January 5, 2008 1:20 AM
OliverPCamford said:
So, I am going to ask you all - all you good citizens of the USA (I am not one of you, I am British) - the hard question: what the hell are you going to do about this issue?
I don't just mean vent your anger and frustration by posting here and on other similar blogs, I mean what, in the name of all of us, are you, each and every one of you, going to do?
Oliver, the problem is there is very little the average person can do besides word of mouth. We all have jobs to provide for families and no one can afford to go to jail/lose their job by voicing public dissent. We don't have the ability like some Moslems who are more devoted & have more time to practise their religion and become politically active. We westerners are no nearly as fanatical about their specific cause than they; and the ones that are are WAY to few. In a sense, the capitalism system is leading to our demise because we must work to provide for the quality of life we desire; and that means we must work alot and can't risk losing our livelihood through active public dissent. We simply don't have the time to work and care for our families.
Posted by: Triumphant_Paladin at January 5, 2008 1:21 AM
If it looks like a scorpion, behaves like a scorpion, and stings like a scorpion, it’s a damned scorpion. That would be such ilk as Hasham Islam. The sting would be the firing of Mr. Coughlin. If you’re not sure about the nature of the scorpion, think predatory and ambush (lying in wait). That is very much the whole of the Muslim mentality-presence-agenda in the US, not only through its various Ismalic organizations, but now also through, can you f _ _ kin’ believe it, the Pentagon! How does that happen!?!?! It would appear that Saudi "largess" is finding its way into the pockets of more than just Muslim entities.
Posted by: nobulsht at January 5, 2008 1:37 AM
If it looks like a scorpion, behaves like a scorpion, and stings like a scorpion, it’s a damned scorpion. That would be such ilk as Hasham Islam. The sting would be the firing of Mr. Coughlin. If you’re not sure about the nature of the scorpion, think predatory and ambush (lying in wait). That is very much the whole of the Muslim mentality-presence-agenda in the US, not only through its various Ismalic organizations, but now also through, can you f _ _ kin’ believe it, the Pentagon! How does that happen!?!?! It would appear that Saudi "largess" is finding its way into the pockets of more than just Muslim entities.
Posted by: nobulsht at January 5, 2008 1:37 AM
If it looks like a scorpion, behaves like a scorpion, and stings like a scorpion, it’s a damned scorpion. That would be such ilk as Hasham Islam. The sting would be the firing of Mr. Coughlin. If you’re not sure about the nature of the scorpion, think predatory and ambush (lying in wait). That is very much the whole of the Muslim mentality-presence-agenda in the US, not only through its various Ismalic organizations, but now also through, can you f _ _ kin’ believe it, the Pentagon! How does that happen!?!?! It would appear that Saudi "largess" is finding its way into the pockets of more than just Muslim entities.
Posted by: nobulsht at January 5, 2008 1:38 AM
Ollie,
Ease up on the "yanks", if you will. The US has played an integral part in 20th century foreign politics, at least foreign to the US.
You beckon for the "yanks" to do more, and to that I concur to a limit.
My father was born in Scotland, born in Hamilton, outside of Glasgow. He lived there until he was 14 or so, and I am a 1st generation American-Scotsman, a badge I wear proudly.
In all honesty, I have never been to my father's country before this year, when I embarked on a Royal and Ancient tour, so to speak. All the usual suspects were involved; The Old Course, Muirfield and Carnoustie. I, as a yank, have the ultimate respect for the Continent. Many Americans like myself are simply crestfallen by the political turn of events there recently, being a prototype of things to come in the US.
That is not very difficult to comprehend, especially for a well-educated person like yourself.
I for one, NEVER put down Europe, for I am merely a product of it. We are all in this global fight together, it is merely that we all, including us "yanks" need a gentle reminder from time to time.
To address your specific question about what "we" are going to do? That is a simple answer for me. Protect the sanctity of this vital pedagogical site first and foremost, Robert's own flesh and blood. That in itself, is a noble cause.
Do as much as you can. I try to, and we all know, especially the Islamists, that God loves a tryer.
And God knows, the Islamists are always on point and they always try.
Regards.
Posted by: awake at January 5, 2008 1:40 AM
Ooops, sorry for the multiple entires, its my fist time to blog here, got a little confussed by the instructions.
Posted by: nobulsht at January 5, 2008 1:44 AM
Ooops, sorry for the multiple entires, its my fist time to blog here, got a little confussed by the instructions. nobulsht
Posted by: nobulsht at January 5, 2008 1:45 AM
Ooops, sorry for the multiple entires, its my fist time to blog here, got a little confussed by the instructions. nobulsht
Posted by: nobulsht at January 5, 2008 1:45 AM
nobulsht,
Itchy trigger finger. It happens. Your rage exceeded your patience. When discussing Islamic jihad, this is commonplace
Welcome.
Posted by: awake at January 5, 2008 1:46 AM
Triumphant_Paladin: "Are you going to email your Representative or your Senator? Are you going to write or email to your local and national newspapers? Are you going to make life unbearably difficult for your local radio and TV stations?" (From my post above).
Would any of these courses of action cost you your job or your living given the protections in law and under your constitution that you enjoy? I'm not advocating illegal actions, for Heaven's sake, just the behaviour of normal citizens. Is that too much to ask?
Guess it is! And you dare, you so very dare, to call we Europeans 'Dhimmis' and to coin the insulting term 'Eurabia' in order to refer to our lands.
Think you are better? I think not.
Amerabia - that's what the USA is - and the dismissal of Mr. Coughlin from his position more than amply proves it. You, and your fellow citizens, are naught but a pot calling a kettle black.
If you let this pass without protest I, and I daresay many other European posters here, will never let you forget it, for it will be obvious to all of us that you, and your fellows, will have aquiesced to the Muslims in an appalling act of dhimmitude which rivals anything that we have done. You will have allowed the dismissal of a government employee at the behest of Muslims simply for expressing a viewpoint which they don't like but cannot, objectively, disprove.
Permit this to pass without protest and that is, that really is, an act of gross dhimmitude on a par with anything the EU or Britain has ever done.
at January 5, 2008 1:50 AM
Hey, I could be wrong but unicorn has been a poster here almost since the beginning of JW. You must have mis-interpreted what he/she was getting at.
Posted by: interestinconundrum at January 5, 2008 1:54 AM
The question then, all concerned here--and especially Triumphant_Paladin is
What are you willing to do when faced with earning your living under the iron grip of Islam?
Will you support the idolent Moslems lolling about the streets, raping your wives, daughters, and girlfriends at will, with what you earn with the sweat of your brow? Will you willingly pay the tax required of the non-believer? Or will you just as soon convert to Islam, to save yourself a heap of trouble?
Will you "brave the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune" or do the as yet unthinkable? It has been done before, in history. You would not be the first nor the last to think, to ponder, "Would I rather live as a slave (subhuman, Untermensch) or feed the Tree of Liberty with blood--the enemies'?
Do you-all understand what I am saying?
Remember, once the Constitution has been subverted--is gone with all its protections and guarantees--there will be no longer be such things as sedition or treason.
But before it reaches such depths, there is still time for Civil Disobedience. Whether that will give the desired result, I doubt.
We must remember that to make this land free, there were those willing to die to make it and keep it free. Are there no more men and women of such mettle?
Did we fold during those dreary, gray years of the Cold War and say "I'd rather be Red than Dead?" Or was the reverse that kept us from giving in, making it easy on ourselves?
Are we living now under a tyranny? Do we not still have a Bill of Rights, a second amendment to keep the government from forcing its will upon the people?
Do not accept the Moslem as your superior. Do not accept Islamic demands with bowed heads. There is that foreign element amongst us. Do not take it into your bosom.
There might be treason at the top, but do not throw up your hands and say that there is nothing that can be done.
Be careful for whom you vote--those that promise a drastic change may take us further into that dark night that is poised to swallow us.
Posted by: unicorns62000 at January 5, 2008 1:56 AM
The attacks on "Unicorns62000" and "Triumphant_Paladin" are not warranted, in my humble opinion, with the emphasis on humble.
Posted by: awake at January 5, 2008 2:03 AM
awake: Not enough, but then, nothing is. Mr. Spencer is more than capable of taking care of himself. So I ask, once again (without hope of a rational or understandable answer): what are you all going to do about this? No bu****it, just tell me!
Glad you enjoyed the courses - did you play the Royal Dornoch or Gleneagles or the immensely challenging little course at Fort Augustus (I've lost track of the number of times I've sent a drive straight into Thomas Telford's great ditch there) or the links at Nairn (now there's a championship course - the crosswinds are nasty, even in the summer and the heavy scent of the pines of Culbin wafting over the links on a hot, still, summer's day is the ultimate in distractions).
Posted by: OliverPCamford at January 5, 2008 2:07 AM
Dear Subject Ollie;
Revere, Franklin, Washington, Lafayette, Von Steuben;
We’re still here. Perhaps diluted. But that really doesn’t matter in an objective analysis. Words on our end at this point in world history. You’re on the front lines. And my gut tells me that you’ll make us proud.
Go get ‘em girl.
And for those who would care to read the last words of a man deserving of respect:
http://obsidianwings.blogs.com/obsidian_wings/2008/01/andy-olmsted.html#comments
at January 5, 2008 2:12 AM
awake: Not enough, but then, nothing is.
Posted by: OliverPCamford at January 5, 2008 2:07 AM
Ollie,
Point taken. Understood. That is an unfortunate reality, but I will continue to try.
As a side note, on my first trip, you play the obvious choices. There are only about a thousand sacred courses to play in the UK.
King's Barns, was quite possibly the most astheticallly pleasing.
I expect to return, unless the jihadists take over of course.
Long live the Continent, with undying support from younger brother US. We all have our own problems at the moment.
Posted by: awake at January 5, 2008 2:16 AM
Ollie,
My home course is Bethpage, with the black course being in the fold for its second US Open in 2009. Bethpage has 5, 18 hole courses in the park.
Tiger won there in 2002 in case you were wondering.
Looking forward to playing it, again.
Posted by: awake at January 5, 2008 2:20 AM
unicorns62000 said: Do not accept the Moslem as your superior. Do not accept Islamic demands with bowed heads. There is that foreign element amongst us. Do not take it into your bosom.
There might be treason at the top, but do not throw up your hands and say that there is nothing that can be done.
Be careful for whom you vote--those that promise a drastic change may take us further into that dark night that is poised to swallow us.
(My bold emphasis).
So I ask, yet again and in a bored and less than hopeful voice: what are all of you going to do about this issue?
Faintly, on the breeze, comes back the answer - 'Nothing, we're American'.
Welcome to Amerabia.
Posted by: OliverPCamford at January 5, 2008 2:20 AM
Hey, I could be wrong but unicorn has been a poster here almost since the beginning of JW. You must have mis-interpreted what he/she was getting at.
Posted by: interestinconundrum
Perhaps. One of my “buttons” got pushed. Quite firmly!
I have a very sensitive spot for our military - we owe them a debt that we can never repay. They have sacrificed far more than most for our freedom and deserve our highest respect.
“There are only two entities who have died for you.
Jesus Christ and the American G.I.”
If there is ANYONE who we desperately need as U.S. military officers, it is those who are familiar with this site.
at January 5, 2008 2:22 AM
For what it is worth there is a very new political party that is, it seems, very anti-PC and anti-jihadist. I dont know a huge amount about it but it should be worth investigating if you live in the New York area.
http://www.loyalistparty.com/index.html
Posted by: ausinfidel at January 5, 2008 2:25 AM
awake: stayed in a motel in Farmingdale, near the airport, and played the courses when I was over there for a Polo match. Quite lovely. You're lucky to have such good facilities so close - the Black course is a challenge and, if memory serves, I was well over par on the round. I hope to go back one day. Maybe we can meet up for a round or two.
But, for heaven's sake, do something about this issue. Complain to someone loudly and at length. Please!
Posted by: OliverPCamford at January 5, 2008 2:36 AM
Davegreybeard: And the British Tommy - but I don't suppose that we count because we're Eurabia as opposed to Amerabia.
Nuts to you!
Posted by: OliverPCamford at January 5, 2008 2:40 AM
pez: Followed the link which you posted.
There are no words which we can use. Prayers only from this point on for the brave fallen soldiers and their families and friends: prayers, and tears also.
Posted by: OliverPCamford at January 5, 2008 3:00 AM
unicorns62000, I apologize for my first post. It was “over the top”.
Our military does need the knowledge of Islam that is provided at this site and elsewhere, Bottom to top, officers included.
“Nuts to you!”
Posted by: OliverPCamford
What’s up with you, Ollie? You gonna retake Boston or somthin?
at January 5, 2008 3:37 AM
Davegreybeard: Yep. Going to take all thirteen states back - singlehandedly - and outlaw the muck that you lot drink. Couldn't get a decent cup of tea anywhere on your side of the pond and it's made me really ratty.
That and, of course, the rampant complacency of Amerabia. Obviously, I'm not allowed to mention that because you're all in denial about it and I'll just get the usual patronising posts - much like yours, in fact.
Wake up and smell the River. If this guy gets fired then you are in the same sh*t heap that we in Europe are - so stop being so condescending and DO something.
Why do I bother?
Posted by: OliverPCamford at January 5, 2008 3:56 AM
interestinconundrum,
Thanks for standing up for my case as concerns criticizing the Commander-In-Chief, the Secretary of Defense, Generals, your superior officers when in the military.
Davegreybeard,
Usually I get such invective only from outraged Moslems. Anyway, thanks for seeing me as having had a short life.
Clicking on the link that I gave, and reading the text there--in part--will clarify the point that I made.
Posted by: unicorns62000 at January 5, 2008 4:30 AM
Good grief, I was so right.
Good morning Amerabia.
You're all far more interested in fighting your little bouts on various websites than you are in engaging in the great anti-jihad.
Just what is it going to take to make Amerabia wake up?
Obviously not me. 'Bye for now.
Posted by: OliverPCamford at January 5, 2008 4:38 AM
Uh, OliverPCamford - I e-mailed the Pentagon last night.
And I was very, very angry.
So, please stop your sarcasm that JW's do nothing further than post on JW. Thank You.
Posted by: darcy at January 5, 2008 8:18 AM
I'm not sure why Bill Gertz characterized Mr. Islam's "outreach" as misguided. I'm sure it's perfectly guided and not in any way an error on his part. Like one Nazi reaching out to another.
DARCY: What email address did you use to contact the Pentagon with? I would like to do the same.
Posted by: Seymour Paine at January 5, 2008 10:10 AM
Oliver,
If it makes you feel good to yell at Americans, keep on doing it.
I've written so many times to my representatives I can't count. I get standard replies written by office underlings. My candidates for president dropped out of the race because farmers in Iowa wouldn't support them.
Perhaps you missed the opposition to the amnesty bill proposed in Congress last year. Americans stopped it by phoning their representatives. We were called names by people like Senator Lindsey Graham, but we didn't let that stop us. Then there was the Dubai Ports deal.
I had written him off but after hearing him last night on PBS, I'm almost ready to vote for Ron Paul. Among other things, he calls for the removal of all US troops from all countries all over the world.
Posted by: PMK at January 5, 2008 10:16 AM
There are things being done Oliver, but they are better not advertised publicly on a website that is widely read by jihadists.
Gordon England is an appointee and it's obvious by the two stories that "some people" are unhappy with his methods of running things.
By the way, is it possible to read these papers that were part of that "public" trial? The ones Coughlin mentioned in the memo?
The goods news is, that even to an idiot, it is obvious that there was some truth to what he said about the Front for terrorism of these organizations. He got to close to the truth for this islam guy to handle.
This gentleman is a hero,he told the emperor
about his missing garments. And got punished for it.
I guess we could call him a 'Martyr'.
But I hate that word.
America is in grave danger, but we are not lost yet and neither is the UK.
Posted by: Aunt Bea at January 5, 2008 10:48 AM
TO OliverPCamford
You are obviously quite upset about what has happened and so are we all. I will not list my curriculum-vitae, but I can tell that I have worked tirelessly to spread the truth inside the beltway. Among others, I have spoken to theologians, politicians, think-tankers, academicians, and radio personalities. I am even responsible for the reading list on Islam at a university inside the belt-way. I doubt whether many other U.S. universities have ever included Robert Spencer and Bat Ye’or. Of course the vast majority think I am from an alternate reality so it is nearly an impossible task. Official Washington is lost for now.
However, I do not think it helps to engage in cross-pond finger-pointing and recrimination. I was pleased to see that the responses to your message did not go into a point-by-point rebuttal showing the numerous examples of criminal dhimmitude that emanate from your shores (Yes, we have our own too.). By all means, encourage and assist. But please drop the castigation. We are all in the same situation and we need to pull together.
at January 5, 2008 11:12 AM
Seymour Paine:
http://pentagon.afis.osd.mil/contact.cfm
at January 5, 2008 11:44 AM
This is what he gets for documenting his findings from Islamic texts!
Posted by: JasonStorm at January 5, 2008 1:25 PM
HERE'S ONE AMERICAN THAT LOVES OLIVERPCAMFORD!
Thanks for writing our Prez! I will too!
Posted by: youngtimer at January 5, 2008 2:06 PM
Well I guess we'll have to wait until one of Mo's mob gets a sudden attack of "Jihad Syndrome" and bombs the hell out of one of Bush's territories/people before anyone of the Washington crowd put 2 and 2 together.
Posted by: ElizaDoolittle at January 5, 2008 5:18 PM
Nice post, ala-sux.
"Eveyone keep track of which Politician sold-out to the Jihadists because when the crap hits the fan after a full-out Jihad by the thugs ruled by CAIR and the Saudis you'll be on your own to defend yourself , this will be a good time to purge the Gene-Pool of the defective DNA's that have lost the "Survival" Codes that help preserve Peace and stability .
I don't look forward to war , but I do look foward enough in time to see it's the only answer to save the most number of people who will die to defend Freedoms by stopping the Islamofacsists that fear Life and Freedom while embracing death to be with Allah."
I'll add the one lesson from history that is, to me, essential: Evil stopped early saves lives in the long run. One has to only look at Manchuria in 1931, or the trifecta of the Rhineland, the Sudetenland, and Munich to see how if Hitler had been stopped when he marched into the Rhineland, the lives lost then must be compared to the lives lost after he was emboldened by the appeasement and passivity of the European powers with whom he was 'negotiating'. Carter started the jihad anew thanks to his abject failure in dealing with our US hostages held by Khomeini's mullahcracy. Clinton had a chance to take off the head of the new jihad, bin Laden, but couldn't pull the trigger. Bush had a great opportunity to take on the jihad with the entire American arsenal, plus some help, but he immedia
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