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January 17, 2008

Siljander: "Begin cross-pollinating with the Muslims"

On this video (thanks to Sr. Soph), indicted former Congressman Mark Siljander discusses the importance of the Fiqh Council of North America's condemnation of terrorism. Here is a discussion of the vagueness and inadequacy of that fatwa.

Posted by Robert at January 17, 2008 6:23 AM
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"Siljander: "Begin cross-pollinating with the Muslims"


....try cross pollinating a flower with a weed and you get a fragrant weed....one that quickly chokes out the other flowers....

Posted by: exsgtbrown [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 17, 2008 7:05 AM

exsgtbrown . . .a recently released, self published book uses that theme.

“HOT HOUSE FLOWERS” written and self-published by Brooklyn criminal court judge John H. Wilson, comparing illegal immigration to dandelions which overrun a greenhouse.

Plot:
A dandelion from outside a hothouse releases her seeds into the hothouse and the dandelions begin to use up all the water, soil, and sunlight. The native flowers, who remain silent for fear of appearing intolerant, begin to wither.

The God-like hothouse owner removes the dandelions. When the original dandelion sends in more seeds the native hothouse flowers use their roots and stems to push the dandelion seeds to the bottom of the hothouse, where they cannot grow. Seeing this, the dandelions outside the hothouse stop sending seeds in.

I purchased this book for my local elementary school and personally read it to my sons class when it was my turn to be 'secret reader'.
This book can teach many lessons beyond 'illegal immigration'.

Posted by: heroyalwhyness [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 17, 2008 7:27 AM

I love the way Siljander attributes the release of the South Korean hostages to this Palestinian fatwa.

Wasn't it more attributable to the millions in ransom paid by the South Korean government, and the promise that Christian missionaries would not return??????

Posted by: StephenDvd [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 17, 2008 7:34 AM

All "Islamapiles" and “Apologist” should be faced with the constant question about "How much Saudi money did it take to buy you off?” This should be repetitively asked till they shut up and fear for the coming investigation and trail.

Posted by: senor doeboy [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 17, 2008 9:25 AM

....since the jihadis have apparently already "cross pollinated" with the devil, I don't believe I'd be interested....

Posted by: n.a. palm [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 17, 2008 9:55 AM

It is very obvious that Rep. Siljander has been bought, and paid for. It is embarrassing to see this kind of tripe being spouted by someone who has obviously no clue the kind of warfare being waged against him. Sleeping with the enemy...very sad.

Posted by: OolongChung [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 17, 2008 10:40 AM

It is very obvious that Rep. Siljander has been bought, and paid for. It is embarrassing to see this kind of tripe being spouted by someone who has obviously no clue the kind of warfare being waged against him. Sleeping with the enemy...very sad.

Posted by: OolongChung [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 17, 2008 10:41 AM

2 Corinthians 6:14
Do not be unequally yoked together with unbelievers. For what fellowship has righteousness with lawlessness? And what communion has light with darkness?

Posted by: interestinconundrum [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 17, 2008 11:36 AM

The above scripture refers to spiritual things. Jesus never told us to stay away from sinners or unbelievers, quite the contrary. We are to bring the Gospel wherever we go.
We are not to blend belief with unbelief. You know, have a moslem cleric preach in our churches, etc.
You know..."cross-pollinate".

Posted by: interestinconundrum [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 17, 2008 11:41 AM

interestinconundrum,

The problem is too many people will read that scripture and take it literally and simply tell themselves that Christianity is no better than Islam.


2 Corinthians 6:15

How can Christ and the Devil agree? What does a believer have in common with an unbeliever?

Posted by: PMK [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 17, 2008 12:13 PM

"Cross-pollinate" indeed. Just the way Muslims have done so in the southern Sudan or southern Nigeria, or in Egypt (with the Copts) or in Lebanon (with the Maronites). Whole lot of "cross-pollination" apparently going on.

But one thing is certain. Former Congressman Siljander has in recent years been a very busy bee.

Posted by: Hugh [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 17, 2008 1:13 PM

My eyes were glazing over and my mind was starting to wonder until he used the word 'Holy Spirit'. He does not know or have a clue what the spirit of Christ will do. At the best it's a guess, but more probably he is just using it to validate all he just said.

I will list some verses to give insight into the Holy Spirit but by know means am I suggesting I know everything He is up too.

John 3:8
The wind blows where it wishes and you hear the sound of it, but do not know where it comes from and where it is going; so is everyone who is born of the Spirit

Rom 8:9
But you are not controlled by your sinful nature. You are controlled by the Spirit if you have the Spirit of God living in you. (And remember that those who do not have the Spirit of Christ living in them are not Christians at all.)

John 15:26
But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, the Spirit of truth, which proceeder's from the Father, he shall bear witness of me

I Cor 2:11-15
No one can know what anyone else is really thinking except that person alone, and no one can know God's thoughts except God's own Spirit. And God has actually given us his Spirit (not the world's spirit) so we can know the wonderful things God has freely given us. When we tell you this, we do not use words of human wisdom. We speak words given to us by the Spirit, using the Spirit's words to explain spiritual truths. But people who aren't Christians can't understand these truths from God's Spirit. It all sounds foolish to them because only those who have the Spirit can understand what the Spirit means. We who have the Spirit understand these things, but others can't understand us at all.

1 John 4:1-3
Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God; and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God; this is the {spirit} of the antichrist, of which you have heard that it is coming, and now it is already in the world.

John 14:17
He is the Holy Spirit, who leads into all truth. The world at large cannot receive him, because it isn't looking for him and doesn't recognize him. But you do, because he lives with you now and later will be in you.

John 3:8 The wind blows where it wishes and you hear the sound of it, but do not know where it comes from and where it is going; so is everyone who is born of the Spirit Rom 8:9 But you are not controlled by your sinful nature. You are controlled by the Spirit if you have the Spirit of God living in you. (And remember that those who do not have the Spirit of Christ living in them are not Christians at all.) John 15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, the Spirit of truth, which proceeder's from the Father, he shall bear witness of me I Cor 2:11-15 No one can know what anyone else is really thinking except that person alone, and no one can know God's thoughts except God's own Spirit. And God has actually given us his Spirit (not the world's spirit) so we can know the wonderful things God has freely given us. When we tell you this, we do not use words of human wisdom. We speak words given to us by the Spirit, using the Spirit's words to explain spiritual truths. But people who aren't Christians can't understand these truths from God's Spirit. It all sounds foolish to them because only those who have the Spirit can understand what the Spirit means. We who have the Spirit understand these things, but others can't understand us at all. 1 John 4:1-3 Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God; and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God; this is the {spirit} of the antichrist, of which you have heard that it is coming, and now it is already in the world. John 14:17 He is the Holy Spirit, who leads into all truth. The world at large cannot receive him, because it isn't looking for him and doesn't recognize him. But you do, because he lives with you now and later will be in you.
يوحنا 3:8
الريح تهب حيث ترغب وتسمع صوت عليه ، ولكن لا أعرف ومن اين تأتي والى أين تتجه ، وما هو وكل من ولد من الروح

مدمج 8:9
ولكن انت لا تسيطر عليها الطابع الخاص بك خاطئين. انت تسيطر عليها الروح اذا كانت لديك روح الله الذين يعيشون في لكم. (ونتذكر ان الذين لا يملكون روح المسيح الذين يعيشون فيها ليسوا مسيحيين على الاطلاق.)

يوحنا 15:26
ولكن عندما يأتي المعزي هو ، من سارسل لكم ILA من الأب ، روح الحقيقة ، التي المستمر للمن الأب ، ويقوم شاهدا مني

انا تبليغ الوثائق 2:11-15
لا يستطيع أحد أن يعرف من أي شخص آخر ما هو في الحقيقة إلا أن تفكير الشخص وحدها ، ولا يمكن لأحد ان يعرف الله الا الله الافكار الخاصة الروح. والله فعلا اعطانا روحه (وليس في العالم روح) حتى نتمكن من معرفة أشياء راءعه الله قد اعطانا بحرية. ونحن عندما نقول لكم هذا ، فاننا لا نستخدم كلمات من الحكمة الانسانيه. نحن نتكلم الكلمات التي قدمها لنا الروح ، روح باستخدام كلمات لشرح الحقائق الروحيه. ولكن الناس الذين ليسوا مسيحيين لا يستطيع ان يفهم هذه الحقائق من روح الله. ومن الحماقه ان جميع الاصوات اليها لأن فقط اولئك الذين يملكون روح يمكن ان نفهم ما يعني روح. ونحن الذين لديهم روح نفهم هذه الاشياء ، ولكن لا يستطيع الآخرون فهم لنا على الاطلاق.

1 يوحنا 4:1-3
الحبيبه ، لا أعتقد ان كل روح ، ولكن الارواح اختبار لمعرفة ما اذا كانت هي من الله ، لان كثيرا من الانبياء كاذبة قد خرجت الى العالم. هذا من جانب تعرفون روح الله : ان كل روح يعترف بأن يسوع المسيح قد حان في الجسد هو من عند الله ؛ وكل روح لا اعترف ان يسوع هو من عند الله وليس هذا هو روح) (من الدجال ، ومنها سمعتم انه يأتي ، والآن هو بالفعل في العالم.

يوحنا 14:17
وهو الروح القدس الذي يقود الى كل الحقيقة. العالم بأسره لا يمكن أن تحصل عليه ، لأنها لا تبحث عنه ولا تعترف له. ولكنك ، لانه يعيش معك الآن وسيتم في وقت لاحق لك

Sorry for the long post but the Spirit of God is no small subject.

Posted by: Im.mad.as.HELL! [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 17, 2008 1:20 PM

Oh, I pasted double references, sorry for that mistake.

Posted by: Im.mad.as.HELL! [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 17, 2008 1:25 PM

"But one thing is certain. Former Congressman Siljander has in recent years been a very busy bee.

Posted by: Hugh"'

...and that is the truth...I don't care what anyone says...

Posted by: exsgtbrown [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 17, 2008 2:55 PM

The Kuran teaches that Muslims may "make friends with neither Christians nor Jews." This teaching pre-empts any possiblity of "cross-pollination" between Christians, Jews and Muslims and actually makes it ILLEGAL under Islamic law!

Congressman Siljander is full of you-know-what.

How many Americans are aware of this teaching by the Kuran? I daresay that if more Americans WERE aware of this aspect of the islamic "faith" perhaps a good deal of terrorism financing going on in America would be stopped.

Posted by: pythagoras [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 17, 2008 3:07 PM

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