I assume that a few cents out of every fill-up goes to al Queda. Are there any solid estimates as to the amount???

Posted by: BunrattyBill at January 17, 2008 10:59 AM

"Who is financing the jihad?"

....the misunderstanders of the peaceful religion of Islam....

Posted by: exsgtbrown at January 17, 2008 11:02 AM

more likely that the illegal drugs you purchase helps fund a terrorist organization. ie the Madrid train bombings.

Posted by: John_Doe at January 17, 2008 11:02 AM

you being the general populace and not anyone specific.

Posted by: John_Doe at January 17, 2008 11:05 AM

Who finances jihad? We do. Our "leaders" do nothing to wean us off of oil and keep sending more and more of our tax money as "aid" to the ummah. If we actually got some politicians who can understand this simple truth the financing of jihad would slow to a relative trickle. In the meantime our elected officials will continue to work hard for their real masters-the ummah-at our expense.

Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at January 17, 2008 11:19 AM

A comment on the article below about Fuad Hodzic, one of those arrested in Serbia, a man who tells the court he is a proud "slave to Allah" while benighted Infidels are merely "slaves to money and your job" also is apposite to this thread, and I am therefore posting it here as well:

“I’m Allah’s slave, and you are the slave to money and your job.”...
-- from the statement by the would-be Muslim Arab terrorist, doing Allah's work -- terrorizing and killing Infidels -- in Serbia

Yes, we Infidels, whether Christians, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, Sikhs, or this or that, or nothing at all, so often find ourselves having to work. It's not always pleasant.

Would that we were free, like Fuad Hodzic, to be nothing but "Allah's slaves," and not have to have jobs, but could be full-time marchers fi sabil Allah, on the Path of Allah (the Path of Jihad), because we would be supported, directly or indirectly, by those same Infidels. Indirectly, when they buy, and do little or nothing to enable themselves to diminish their buying, of oil and gas that is virtually the sole source of wealth for the oil-rich Arabs. Or indirectly, by the fabulous additional sums transferred to Muslims from non-Muslims in the form of the foreign aid, to all those Muslim states and peoples -- in Pakistan, Egypt, Jordan, in the "Palestinian"-occupied territories -- who do not happen to have the bonanza of that accident of geology that Saudi Arabia, the U.A.E., Kuwait, Qatar, and so on, uncaring (except in regards to supporting Muslims fighting against Infidels -- then weapons will be paid for, propaganda will be paid for, upkeep for the families of dead terrorists will be paid for), and determinedly unsharing of their unearned wealth with those fellow members of the Umma.

And to that trans-national steady transfer of wealth, some ten trillion dollars to Muslim members of OPEC since 1973 alone, one must add, as if that were not already enough, the hundreds of billions spent to make life "better" and to bring "democracy" to "ordinary moms and dads" (also sprach Bush) in the Middle East, has made it possible for the Saudis and other rich Arabs to pay for mosques, madrasas, small armies of Western hirelings (one of them, a former Republican member of Congress, has just been indicted, but thousands in the capitals of the West still openly ply their propagandistic trade), campaigns of Da'wa in prisons and among other, carefully-identified economically or socially marginal groups, and of course psychically-marginal individuals (the Lindhs and the Ridleys will always be with us).

So first add to those trillions in unmerited oil wealth those hundreds of billions in Infidel aid spent on saving Muslim peoples from their own failures, political, economic, social, intellectual, and moral, without ever inquiring into the source of those failures, which is Islam itself.

In Iraq (in that act of continued and colossal folly) more than a trillion dollars has been spent, not to reduce and divide the country, but to bring a unity that will never be attained, to bring a prosperity that supposedly will come from the tens of billions of American money handed out like confeeti, and in Afghanistan (ditto, though on a less colossal scale), and that aid to the lords of malevolent misrule in Egypt, in Jordan, and, most maddeningly and most offensively, to those local Arabs, the shock troops of the Lesser Jihad against Israel, who have been carefully renamed the "Palestinians," and about whom we have heard so very much, at the U.N., at the E.U., everywhere that the non-existent "international community" meets and greets, presented as the most victimized group of human beings in the history of the world, when in fact they are the permanent enemies of, deniers of the legal, moral and historic rights of those -the Jews -- who indeed are the most persecuted tribe in human history, for the "Palestinian national struggle" is a "struggle" to deny the possiblility of a secure and permanent existence to Israel, an Infidel nation-state and hence a permanent affront, that must be eliminated if Muslim Arabs are to rest easy (oh, they simply can't, simply can't despite the oil trillions, simply can't, despite the 22 members of the Arab League, and the 14 million square miles, until Israel is pressured further and the conditions created on the ground for the inexorable, later, final "solution" to the "problem of Israel" -- which means, elimination of that Infidel nation-state, and not the naive "two-state solution" of those who do not know, and do not care to find out, about the texts and tenets, of Islam.

And with those trans-national transfers of Infidel wealth -- trillions for the oil, hundreds of billions for the Jizyah-aid -- there is another transfer of wealth, this one taking place within the countries of Western Europe, where the welfare systems set up by Infidel taxpayers in the post-war period, and designed to pay for those fellow citizens who needed help, has now become very largely a program of wealth-transfer from the Infidel taxpayers to the Muslims who have learned quickly to fully exploit every conceivable benefit that the Infidel nation-states and their generous systems provide: free education, free medical care (at the Western, not the Muslim, level), free or subsidized housing, and so on. The fiddling goes on, in every way. And that leaves far less for the Infidel poor, the legitiimate poor. Muslim women rarely work: they are kept at home as breeders. And of course despite the official ban on polygamy, many Muslims ignore that ban,and there is not one, but more than one wife, and a dozen children, on the Infidel dole. The unemployment rate for Muslism is far beyond that for any other immigrant group, as is the rate of incarceration. The econonomic drain on Infidel states has yet to be discussed openly, but it is there for all to see, and many do see it. In England, it has not escapwed notice that the Hindus and Sikhs, or for that matter the Chinese, do not cost the state anything like what the Muslim immigrants do --what has not yet happened is a discussion of why that is so, and why it is so not only in Great Britain but in every European country.

So we have to be "slaves" to "our money and our job" and pay directly, or indirectly, for Fuad Hodzic, for all the fuad-hodzics, outside Europe, and deep inside that Europe whose legal and political instiutions, social arrangements and understandings, Infidel ways of life, these fuad-hodzics so deeply despise, and some of them, like him, act on it, and others merely support, or certainly do not denounce and work against, those active partipicants in violent Jihad. And their other activities suggest that while they do not parcitipate in active Jihad, they are participants in the other instruments of Jihad -- campaigns of Da'wa, deployment of the Money Weapon, and of course demographic conquest, that last of which they participate in, even unconsciously, merely by overbreeding, and helpo to swell Muslim ranks that, inexorably, will make, are making, the lives of non-Muslims in Europe more unpleasant, more expensive, and more physically dangerous, than they would otherwise be.

[Posted by: Hugh at January 17, 2008 10:58 AM]

Posted by: Hugh at January 17, 2008 11:22 AM

Islam in its war with the west/world, is acting just as we might expect it to act. Hugh has this nailed down in every catagory. I don't think it would help Bush to read Hugh's articles, he's too far gone, but it might help the republican candidates, especially Ron Paul.
It's hard to believe he is as clueless as he comes
off. If by some freak accident of nature, he becomes president, Hugh's articles should become mandatory
reading.

Otherwise the old saying 'follow the money', is the path to follow and it seems the Feds are now awake enough to follow it...Savage has now upped the ante with new charges against CAIR of racketeering and Rico violations. They messed with the wrong guy when they messed with him...

Posted by: duh_swami at January 17, 2008 11:50 AM

Fuad Hodzic, Al-Mutafiq! Ana Allah alam.
(Fuad Hodzic, hippocrite! I am most wise Allah.)

Hugh,

I am Allah. Since I have proclaimd Hodzid for being hippocrite, according to my judgement, he is now condemned to 7th hell.

Folk, according to my servant Mohammad, the 2nd is for Jews, and the 3rd for we Christians.

I am Allah. I am now a Christian.

Posted by: ssa at January 17, 2008 12:22 PM

We all, all of us are funding jihad!
We allow the civil servants to use the taxes extorted from us to send money to the muslim states and to supply them with billions in military aid and other aids.

So in the end we all are complicit in paying jizya.

The Brown family were quickly denounced as criminals, but what they did was what each of us is supposed to do - to refuse to pay taxes as long as large portion of them is being used to fund the mullahs and sheiks.

If only the West will stop all kinds of aid to the muslim world, they will starve to death because they won't be able to feed themselves - they lived off jizya for so long, that they lost sustainability. North and South Americas have enough oil to starve the sheiks to death.

The fact that we can no longer travel by air w/o being strip searched is good enough for me so starve them to death.

Posted by: Charles Martel at January 17, 2008 12:27 PM

"hippocrite"
-- serendipitous find in a posting above

An adjective derived from Hippocrates, author of the first treatise on Gambling On Horse-Races. It remained a classic of the literature, unsurpassed from 340 B.C. until 1938 A.D. (isn't it nice the way each of the first four letters of the alphabet gets to appear in such a dating?), when Harry the Horse and the Lemon Drop Kid collaborated on "Win, Place, or Show."

Those who carefully study the odds, and have their system, hippocratic or harry-the-horse in origin, and whose pick fails to win, or place, or show, have been known, while leaving the track, any track, from shivering Suffolk Downs to sunny Santa Anita, to curse their horse and its performance. This is known as a hippocritic oath.

Posted by: Hugh at January 17, 2008 12:51 PM

If only the West will stop all kinds of aid to the muslim world, they will starve to death because they won't be able to feed themselves

poste above

Well, that's a little bit to strong, I don't really like to put any down, I would say rather it sounds like non-sense.

The Chinese, Japanese, Indians, and many others drive cars too. Come on! We are not that bad. I need gas to drive to work to make income. The money I spent on gas is a lot less than what I spend on eating.

Please! I want some smart talk so that I can learn.

Posted by: ssa at January 17, 2008 1:03 PM

Save energy, drive more fuel-efficient cars, etc. We need to cut dependence on foreign oil. In all seriousness, environmentalists and those against jihad actually have something in common. Every dollar for Mideast oil has a portion that will land in the terrorists' bank account.

Posted by: Silly Allah at January 17, 2008 1:16 PM

Save energy, drive more fuel-efficient cars, etc. We need to cut dependence on foreign oil. In all seriousness, environmentalists and those against jihad actually have something in common. Every dollar for Mideast oil has a portion that will land in the terrorists' bank account.

Posted by: Silly Allah at January 17, 2008 1:19 PM

Who are financing jihad - we are.

And the saudis are NOT our allies. Basically they are the charity. And all this gobblydegook that one saudi royal family member is ok while another is bad - is crud! The saudi royal family (all the godzillions of them), as with all 'moderate' muslims, let it happen so they are all bad to me. They push wahabbism down our throats and are infiltrated into every country that is now rife with violence.

Posted by: R_not at January 17, 2008 2:06 PM

We've been down this road many times before and although the west has traditionally been an unwitting culprit in selling its (in this particular case Islamic) enemies the rope to hang itself with, other new nations have entered the market for fossil fuels and thereby compounded this problem-- this article does not go far enough in addressing this fact.

I do see now that the United States will NOT have a snowball's chance in Hades at winning the war against the jihadists until George "Wobbly" Bush leaves the White House. The man and his staff are pathetically oblivious to the reality that the Arabs are NOT our friends (and NOT going to be), and that kowtowing to Islam gets non-Muslims NOWHERE in dealing with Islam. Not that Mr. Bush the only one suffering from such delusions, but he IS after all the supposed leader of the free world and we will require someone with more sense than this if we are to defeat jihad.

But there are two more things that need mentioning: the growing technological and industrial boom in Asia has led to enormous amounts of petrodollars being pumped into the Middle East from such economically newly-powerful and non-western countries as China and India. Therefore, the United States' and the west's abandoning of fossil fuels for alternative fuel sources may have rather less impact than we'd like on the Middle East's terrorism industry as the Islamic nations will continue to export huge amounts of petroleum to Asia (and elsewhere) and earn correspondingly high incomes with which it will continue to finance its jihad wars-industry with. It is no longer the west alone that finances the Middle east's jihad. It is much of the world. The western democracies' days of dominating the global economy may be numbered and I do not see much mention of this here at Jihad watch--but understanding this fact and coming to terms with it-- and dealing with it-- may prove central to defeating jihad against the west.

The other thing about financing of the global jihad that merits discussion is that the jihadist industry (and that is what it is, an industry now) has other forms of incomes besides petroleum at its disposal to finance jihad with. Dr. Rachel Ehrenfeld has identified the international drug trade as a major source of financing jihad in her book, "NARCO TERROR." The USA's misguided war on drugs continues to skyrocket the price of illicit drugs, making lucrative business for al-Qaeda (as Ousamah bin Looney Tunes was identified by the CIA as the world's leading drug lord).

To cite another example: massive illicit timber-smuggling operations go on in places like the Congo, Indonesia and the Amazon where millions of valuable hardwood trees are being illegally felled on a daily basis with the authorities' looking the other way and getting a "cut," accounting for the loss of possibly tens of billions of dollars in revenue each year from these countries. Yet,how many counter-jihad agencies in the west have zeroed in on these massive illegal operations in the tropics (and elsewhere) as potentially al-Qaeda territory? However, it isn't only the black market for timber: ALL black markets should be viewed with caution;Worse, still--even legitimate markets have been identified as being infiltrated by al-Qaeda; Louis Vuitton designer clothing was found to have been copied by al-Qaeda and sold in department stores! I have yet to see figures on how much al-Qaeda earns by infiltrating global non-energy markets. I am sure it is enough to make our hairs stand on end, though.

Once upon a time there was a window by which the western democracies could have shut down the global jihad by cutting off their Middle East petroleum sources. That window may have closed already. Nothing is simple anymore.

Posted by: pythagoras at January 17, 2008 2:27 PM

pythagoras

given the involvement of the jihad plotters with a. the drug trade and b. the appalling destruction caused by illegal logging and c. the massive involvement of Islam (historically) with the worst form of the slave trade and their current de facto resumption of that involvement

and the fact that so many jihad plotters small and great turn out to be up to their necks in fraud of every imaginable description

why don't the Infidel countries just bite the bullet and re-classify Islam from 'Religion' to 'Organised Crime Syndicate' - the world's biggest and oldest, started by godfather Muhammad in the 7th century (and properly formalised by his successors around the 9th century mark?).

Islam's religious riturals are the equivalent of the Mafia code (the Omerta?) or the semimystical stuff that drove the Thuggees or that still animates some versions of the Triads.

Posted by: dumbledoresarmy at January 17, 2008 2:51 PM

oops. In the above - 'religious riturals' should be 'religious rituals'.

It's too early in the morning here.

Posted by: dumbledoresarmy at January 17, 2008 2:53 PM

"In England, it has not escapwed notice that the Hindus and Sikhs, or for that matter the Chinese, do not cost the state anything like what the Muslim immigrants do...."

...ever notice the Hindus,SIkhs,or Chinese are not trying to force you into submission, or take over your women, your land and your life....They have proven to be honest hard working people and have assimilated well ....unlike those misunderstanders of the peaceful religion of Islam....

.
....time to save civilization...Ban Muslim Immigration...

Posted by: exsgtbrown at January 17, 2008 3:10 PM

dumbledoresarmy:

I am open to any and all tactics to stop the onslaught of Islam and its global jihads--all that really matters is that the tactics WORK. Stopping Islam is what matters most now.

Posted by: pythagoras at January 17, 2008 3:27 PM

"The IRS provides only minimal assurance that tax-exempt organizations potentially involved in terrorist activities are being identified," it says.

But let some well meaning, or not, American taxpayer fudge a little on his deductions and boom, they got you.

Let's don't forget all the guys who were collecting HUGE refunds on phony returns a the while they were in Jail!

And of course there is the Senator from Iowa who is investigating the Mega Churches, but not the Mega Mosques.

Posted by: Aunt Bea at January 17, 2008 3:34 PM

340 B.C. until 1938 A.D. (isn't it nice the way each of the first four letters of the alphabet gets to appear in such a dating?)
by Hugh

It's also interesting because the first is English and the second is Latin.

Posted by: PMK at January 17, 2008 3:44 PM

pythagoras,
I appreciate you reasoning. Now, please add more to in regard to Saudi and UAE's Billions of petro-dollar that came to bail out our Banks, who are from the Mortgage Prime problem.

It looks like, eh, I hate to says,..like they are helping us.

"Propessor" pythagoras, please expound more and make our dumb public learn from you.

Don't bother to prove Pythogoras theorem; many had failed, even up to these days.

go on with the "petro...

Posted by: ssa at January 17, 2008 5:50 PM

Yep, pythagoras

R.I.C.O.

That's at one level.

At street level in the Infidel lands...ever read Malcolm Gladwell's "Tipping Point" (2000; Abacus Reprint 2006)?

Get it and read the central section of chapter four, 'The Power of Context', the portion that describes how, drawing on James Q Wilson and George Kelling's "Broken Window" theory of crime, David Gunn and William Bratton tackled crime in the New York subway system from the mid-1980s onward; and then, from 1994, after the election of Rudy Giuliani, how Bratton generalised this approach across the city.

You don't have to agree with everything Gladwell argues about human beings and the beliefs-behaviour connection, to see that an intelligent adaptation of the Gunn-and-Bratton subway/city cleanup method could be applied to the various Mohammedan colonies in Infidel lands, and that it might have interesting results.

Posted by: dumbledoresarmy at January 17, 2008 6:29 PM

Slight correction to the above - 'you don't have to agree with everything Gladwell argues about human beings and the relative strength of the associations between beliefs, environment, and behaviour'...

Posted by: dumbledoresarmy at January 17, 2008 6:32 PM

human beings and the relative strength of the associations between beliefs, environment, and behaviour'

see above

You got me thinking again.

Honestly, I have come across the world, and been in many countries. I found something of what the bible says is very true: Everywhere you go, you will find majority of dumb populace, but you can also find bright mind, even in the most remote barren place. The difference is the beliefs and mentality.

Good beliefs coupled good systems anyone can flourish.

Arabs are smart as Jews, but Arabs don't do as well in Islamic Countries than the do in western countries. You see? The systems make a big difference.

Posted by: ssa at January 17, 2008 7:00 PM

ssa:

The Saudis were far less helpful to us when it came to responding to requests for them to increase their petroleum production so as to lower the high cost of petroleum per barrel, weren't they?

None of what I wrote is really my opinion; I merely extrapolated on the above article on Saudi terror financing and the conditions that pertain to it. Did you read the article? Anyway, it is the mosques in Saudi Arabia that control the jihad wars. With Islam, the mosque is the state; political leaders as we understand them in the western world often are mere figureheads. The House of Saud has limited power to change the entrenched ways of the mosques and the global activities of mujahideen; certainly they could be doing more, though.

You undoubtedly are aware that Islam does not permit Muslims to assist non-Muslims, so we'll have to look elsewhere for a motive as to why the Arabs are bailing out over-extended US financial institutions. There are 2 possible reasons.

The first reason is that the USA does have a treaty in effect with the Saudis; (it is the fanatical Wahabist mosques that control most of Saudi Arabia's terrorism-exporting industry, more so than the House of Saud which is generally more plain corrupt than fanatical). There is a "you-scratch-my-back-and-I'll-scratch-yours" relationship between the two nations that goes back to the days of FDR's presidency. The other reason is that the Saudis have a lot of capital invested in the US economy, which, if it were to tank due to the current financial markets crisis, they would stand to lose, which wouod be plenty. Therefore the logical conclusion is that the Saudis, through their bailing out of over-extended US financial institutions, are protecting their own investments in the US's economy.

Posted by: pythagoras at January 18, 2008 2:26 PM