"Is the British Muslim allowed to kill British civilians whether they are nonbelievers or Muslims who support the war against Afghanistan, Iraq and others?" asked one questioner....
That is, "I'm anxious to kill someone...can I kill my neighbor or do I have to go to a foreign country to kill someone?"

Posted by: Alaskan at January 26, 2008 5:49 AM

A few jihad updates:

Turkey Distroys ‘Pig Farm’

http://sheikyermami.com/2008/01/26/turkey-distroys-pig-farm/

Geert Wilders on Fox:

http://sheikyermami.com/2008/01/26/geert-wilders-on-fox/

British muslims prepare for damage control:

Manual for Deflecting Attention Away From Islam After Terrorist Attacks….
How to cope with the dhimmi press & public:

INFORMATION GUIDE FOR MUSLIM COMMUNITIES IN
DEALING WITH ANTI-TERRORISM RAIDS/ARRESTS

Thanx to Mullah:

1. Make clear on whose behalf the statement is being issued.
2. Set out the Islamic perspective on acts of violence which results
in damage or loss of lives of innocent civilians and property.
3. Set out the local Muslim immediate response to the events e.g.
shock, sadness etc.
4. Set out that investigation has just commenced and ask for
media and public to await the outcome of the investigation once
it has been completed and not to rush to conclusions.
5. Set out that individuals are innocent until proven guilty in a
court of law.
6. Ask for understanding and co-operation by the media in not
adopting language that will stereotype the rest of the Muslim
community and spread fear and misunderstanding in the wider
community.
7. Throughout your statement avoid the use of language such as
‘Islamic terrorists’, ‘Muslim terrorists’, ‘jihad’ etc but emphasise
that individuals have been arrested accused of criminal
activities and if found guilty will be sanctioned by the Criminal
Justice system of the country accordingly.

http://sheikyermami.com/2008/01/25/australia-labor-will-restore-faith-in-terror-laws/

Posted by: sheik yer'mami at January 26, 2008 6:04 AM

"Is the British Muslim allowed to kill British civilians...?"
-- question asked at a Muslim forum, and taken very seriously indeed

If you have to ask, we -- the Infidels -- can't afford you.

We can't afford that is, to have you, Muslims who think for one second that it is proper or permissible, or tolerable, the solemn question of whether "British Muslims" are "allowed [by Islamic rules, by Islamic law, not according to any appeal to British or universal law or moral principles]" to "kill British civilians."

No, if you have to ask, we definitely can't afford you.

More and more people, in Great Britain as elsewhere among the alert, especially in Western Europe, are arriving at certain conclusions about Islam. And they are doing so despite their media and political elites having failed to instruct (and therefore to properly protect) them, those elites having embodied in their attitudes toward Islam every aspect of the Esdrujula Explanation: Stupidity, Timidity, Cupidity, Rigidity.

More and more people, confronted with the statement below, will be forced to recognize its truth, even if the recognition of that truth makes them, still, uneasy:

Here is that statement:

"The large-scale presence of Muslims in the countries of Western Europe has led to a situation that is far more unpleasant, expensive, and physically dangerous for the Infidels (and non-Muslim immigrants) in those countries, than would be the case without that large-scale presence."

Posted by: Hugh at January 26, 2008 9:12 AM

Islam is a subversive movement to establish a theocratic tyranny, and terrorism was used, and was approved of, by its founder, so it would be "natural" for Muslims, in any country, to think that killing infidels, to further the "faith", would be an acceptible part of the "eternal" Plan started by the 7th century terrorist warlord, Mohammad.

Islam needs to return to Mecca and repent, reform and then reapply.

Allowing its adherents into the infidel world only guarantees unholy terror.

Posted by: profitsbeard at January 26, 2008 10:23 AM

"Islam needs to return to Mecca and repent, reform and then reapply."
-- from a posting above

So you would send Islam down, to "rusticate" Islam -- if the desert can be called a "rus" -- for bad behavior, and ask it to refashion itself. Well, it worked for Dryden and Shelley. It worked, famously, for John Milton. I don't think it would work for Islam. Just a hunch.

Posted by: Hugh at January 26, 2008 11:50 AM

Hugh-

Mohammedans need to ruminate upon the core dogmas of the Koran, and pass them through several more stomachs of analysis (epistemology, hermaneutics, et al) in order to render them into the milk of human kindness and not the current cud of b.s.

What we in the West (at least those who have bothered to read their tenets) find indisgestible about Islam, at present, are what Muslims need to return to the source, in Mecca, and reconsider.

The calls to intolerance, terror, misogyny, death for trying to change from the Muslim religion, and a military-backed imperialistic global movement to establish a theocratic tyranny.

I, too, doubt that an Islamic "Reformation" is likely.

But we still need to call for it, first, as a sign of our decency.

If it does not come, then harder efforts will have to be made to crush this expansionist dogmatic despotism.

As late as it seems to those who were awake before 9/11, to the majority of infidels in the world, and to most Muslims (it seems), this is still only the opening volley in the looming ideological- and literal- war.

Posted by: profitsbeard at January 26, 2008 12:37 PM

"My question: What is the role of women in al Qaeda? ... We are the ones who sit with broken hearts and we sit here with nothing to do," one woman asked,

You won't stay bored for long.

Posted by: Infidel Pride at January 26, 2008 1:36 PM

Did we get an answer or was it edited out by a helpful co-conspirator .Islam teaches silance is consent.

Posted by: GrennBeck at January 26, 2008 2:17 PM

The British have a great trick, they allow you just enough rope to hang yourself. The islamist scum bags use threats of violence against the British if the British don't do as they are told. Well I've got news for you, there are 60 million of us, of all races and religions. There are 2 million of you. When the backlash comes you are not going to be able to use the victim card because by that point no one will care. Your only option is to stop the violence and the islamification of MY country. But you are so wrapped up in your own importance and superiority that you won't see it coming until it is too late.

As someone on this forum said a while ago: "we crusade much better on home ground."

Posted by: DaveMate at January 27, 2008 5:16 AM

To 'DaveMate' can you differentiate between a muslim, sikh, buddhist or Hindu i.e. with no religious or cultural symbols attatched to them?

If not, as a Hindu I'm leaving. The inevitable backlash will be against ALL asian people because of the actions of a few intolerant, ill-educated, still stuck in the old country mindsets.

I have no problem with Brits asserting themselves in their own country (it is my home too) but I am afraid because of the actions of a few muslims we all may suffer.

Posted by: Vishant at January 27, 2008 6:46 AM

Hi all
I agree with you Vishant when the backlash happens I have no doubt that the asian people across the board will feel it. I feel that the media will be to blame for this.As the PC codeword for muslim terrorests is asians or youths. I try to educate as many people as I can that its the religion not the race that we need to be watching.

Posted by: ANonnyMouse at January 27, 2008 11:11 AM

That there have been so few comments on this article probably indicates that very few of us are shocked by the question.
However, I do wish that the Religion of Peace brigaders could be forced to spend some time pondering the significance of it.

ps Dave, mate, sorry but I think the 2 million figure needs some serious revision. It was being quoted back in the late 1980s, and I would guess that the higher birthrate and uncontrolled immigration since that time must have have doubled it. I would guess at up to 5 million, not a crushing majority in a civil war, but big enough to at least partly explain the cringing dhimmification of this Labour government, who see Islam as The Next Big Thing. Remember, they have access to information gathered from NI numbers, Tax Returns etc which is not made public, or at least not unless it get lost in the mail. :-)

Posted by: M Al-Content at January 27, 2008 12:58 PM

The inevitable backlash will be against ALL asian people because of the actions of a few intolerant, ill-educated, still stuck in the old country mindsets.
The word he used was a FEW and not one person would object to that. If it's only a few people who are committing these acts then this post, the lies of the media the 'war on terror' and even this website are all phony. How can something require such drastic measures like invasion and media propaganda when the people who carry it out are so few and far between. It suggests to me that this 'war on terror' really isn't a 'war on terror' but something far more sinister.

Some have suggested that many muslims aim to kill infidels. But that's not a fact. There's no way you can prove it and until you do you're lying. You can search through the Quran and you will not find what you are looking for. Once you can prove it and it's a fact then i'll believe you.
Then there are those who say Islam is taking over the west. That to me is ludicrous. The only way Islam is taking over the west is through convert statistics, nothing else. If it was the case that Islam was taking over the west, then France wouldn't have banned the Hijab. The UK and all the other European countries wouldn't have gone to war in Iraq and Afghanistan.

The question is are British Muslims allowed to kill British civilians?
What utter nonsense. So the answer is no. Im not a secular muslim, an extremist, a moderate, whatever; Im a muslim and thats my view and the view of the many who live in the west. Keep targeting the few black sheep sooner or later people will become wise to you're lies.

Posted by: thesaracen at January 27, 2008 3:30 PM

Hi there everyone!! You may remember me from a few months ago, when I was considering converting to Islam. Well, I can say that I thought better of it and did not go through with it, thank God I can now say. I would like to give big thanks to this website in particular, as well as the "Gates of Vienna" and the "Sons of Apes and Pigs" websites which have now helped me see the depths of evil which I only just avoided. And Islam is the depths of evil.

Posted by: Convert at January 27, 2008 3:39 PM

saracen

I have read the Quran. I have read history.

I have full possession of my faculties.

I read Surah 9. I see the ghastly fruits of Surah 9 in the blood-curdling history of the Empire of Islam: much of it gloatingly recorded and celebrated by Muslim historians.

One million Christian Armenians, murdered by Muslim Turks, murdered in the name of Islam, stand before the throne of YHWH in heaven and testify against Islam.

The blood of millions of murdered Hindu and Buddhist priests, monks, women, children and old people - all murdered by Muslim jihad armies - cries out from the soil of Afghanistan and India, testifying against Islam and against 'allah' the pagan war-god.

The tears of the women and children of Baltimore, Ireland, carried off into slavery by Muslim pirates, testify against Islam.

The blood of those who died in the Twin Towers cries out against Islam.

The blood of Buddhist Thai rubber-tappers, schoolteachers, Buddhist monks, old people, children, murdered by Muslim jihad raiders in southern Thailand during the past three years, cries out against Islam.

The blood of hundreds of thousands of black Sudanese Christians and animists, slaughtered by men shouting 'Allahu Akbar', cries out against Islam.

You cannot hide from us this river of blood that has flowed without cease for 1350 years, shed by the assassins, the raiders and the armies of the Empire of Islam.

Nothing you can say can convince me to ignore that; since there is so much in the Quran that directly correlates with the facts on the ground, facts of rape, pillage, mass-murder and enslavement of non-Muslims, by Muslims, Muslims quoting the Quran and shouting Allahu Akbar as they perform their evil deeds.

Hear Tawfiq Hamid, and how, in Egypt, he became a jihadist. First, in high school, he says -

"In secondary school I watched films about the early Islamic conquests. These films promoted the notion that "true" Muslims were devoted to aggressive jihad".

Furthermore:
"During my last year of high school, I began to ponder seriously the concept of God while reading about the molecular structure of DNA in a biology book.
"These thoughts prompted me to learn more about Islam and to devote myself to serving Allah.
" I remember one particularly defining moment in an Arabic language class when I was sitting beside a Christian friend named Nagi Anton. I was reading a book entitled Alshaykhan by Taha Hussein that cited the Prophet Muhammad's words: "I have been ordered by Allah to fight and kill all people [non-Muslims] until they say, 'No God except Allah.'"
"Following the reading of this Hadith, I decisively turned toward Nagi and said to him, "If we are to apply Islam correctly, we should apply this Hadith to you." At that moment I suddenly started to view Nagi as an enemy rather than as a longtime friend." Note that phrase - FIGHT AND KILL; and Hamid learning, from a Muslim book, to view his erstwhile Christian friend, as an enemy.

And, finally, while at university, in the Jamaah Islamiya, Hamid encountered the preaching of Ayman Zawahiri:
"At one afternoon prayer session, an imam I had never met before gave a sermon. He was one of the fiercest speakers I had ever heard. His passion for jihad was astonishing. He advocated complete Islamic dominance, urging us to pursue jihad against non-Muslims and subdue them to Shari'a - the duty of every true Muslim."
"His rhetoric inspired us to engage in war against the infidels, the enemies of Allah..."
"After the imam's speech my friend, Tariq Abdul-Muhsin, asked me if I knew this speaker. When I said I did not, Tariq told me that he was Dr. Ayman al-Zawahiri".

Plenty of others would have undergone the same education toward Jihad as Hamid. Hamid backed out at a certain point; but who knows how many others have not backed out, have gone on and on down that pathway, jihad fi sabil allah, to become potential mass murderers?

Perhaps you, like Hamid, have chosen not to actualise the killing verses: but I would not be prepared to bet on that possibility.

Posted by: dumbledoresarmy at January 27, 2008 5:13 PM

I suspect the Brits weren't all that choked up when Ousamah bin 'Looney Tunes' Laden issued a fatwa for Muslims to kill Americans in every country it was possible for them to do it in (this fatwa was publicly issued in London, after all, in 1998).

The shoe may now be now on the other foot. Brits will almost certainly rue the day they embraced multi-culturism and Islam (but to be fair Americans are generally in the same boat, maybe just a little further on down the jihad river).

Posted by: pythagoras at January 29, 2008 9:06 PM

"(but to be fair Americans are generally in the same boat, maybe just a little further on down the jihad river)."
You may well be right...the difference is I have over 10,000 rounds of ammo and the means to deliver them. The Brits have kitchen knives and maybe some farm implements. Living in the part of Alaska that I do, I can't count on anyone to save me and mine from ANY disaster but me. Will it come to that? Look at the UK and answer that question yourself. I'm afraid it's a matter of time.

Posted by: Alaskan at January 30, 2008 4:27 AM