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Watch for the hand-wringing and blame-shifting. Watch for the dark laments about European "racism" and "xenophobia." One thing you won't see is any acceptance of responsibility, any acknowledgment that any Muslims may have done anything -- anything -- to lead Europeans to think this way. No one will talk about the Islamic justifications advanced by Muslims themselves for acts of violence like the 7/7 bombings in London and the 3/11/2004 bombings in Madrid. No one will acknowledge the existence of supremacist rhetoric about conquering Europe that even Sheikh Qaradawi, that renowned "moderate," has advanced. No, this is all non -Muslims' fault. Don't you know that? What are you, some kind of Islamophobe?
"Europeans Think Islam Is Dangerous," by Jason Groves for the Daily Express (thanks to Isabella the Crusader):
AN “overwhelming majority” of Europeans believe immigration from Islamic countries is a threat to their traditional way of life, a survey revealed last night.The poll, carried out across 21 countries, found “widespread anti-immigration sentiment”, but warned Europe’s Muslim population will treble in the next 17 years.
It reported “a severe deficit of trust is found between the Western and Muslim communities”, with most people wanting less interaction with the Muslim world.
Last night an MP warned it showed that political leaders in Britain who preach the benefits of unlimited immigration were dangerously out of touch with the public.
Of course they are. And only groups like the BNP are taking up the slack, which cannot bode well for Britain's future in any scenario.
The study, whose authors include the former Archbishop of Canterbury Lord Carey, was commissioned for leaders at the World Economic Forum meeting in Davos, Switzerland.It reports “a growing fear among Europeans of a perceived Islamic threat to their cultural identities, driven in part by immigration from predominantly Muslim nations”.
And it concludes: “An overwhelming majority of the surveyed populations in Europe believe greater interaction between Islam and the West is a threat.” Backbench Tory MP David Davies told the Sunday Express: “I am not surprised by these findings. People are fed up with multiculturalism and being told they have to give up their way of life.
“Most people in Britain expect anyone who comes here to be willing to learn our language and fit in with us.”
And why exactly should anyone consider that unreasonable?
Mr Davies, who serves on the Commons Home Affairs Committee, added: “People do get annoyed when they see millions spent on translating documents and legal aid being given to people fighting for the right to wear a head-to-toe covering at school.“A lot of people are very uncomfortable with the changes being caused by immigration and politicians have been too slow to wake up to that.”
The report says people have little enthusiasm for greater understanding with Islam and attempts to improve relations have been “disappointing”.
And with the EU Muslim population expected to reach 15 per cent by 2025 it predicts: “Any deterioration on the international front will be felt most severely in Europe.”
And from the Muslim spokesmen, predictable denial, obfuscation, and victim-posturing:
But leading Muslim academic Haleh Afshar, of York University, blamed media “hysteria” for the findings. She said: “There is an absence of trust towards Muslims, but to my mind that is very much driven by an uninformed media.“To blame immigration is much harder because the current influx of immigrants from eastern Europe are by-and-large not Muslim.
The danger is that when people are fearful of people born and bred in this country it is likely that discrimination may follow.”
Don't want discrimination? Work to keep your coreligionists from blowing things up and announcing their intention to take over.
Posted by Robert at January 29, 2008 8:39 PM
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"Of course they are. And only groups like the BNP are taking up the slack, which cannot bode well for Britain's future in any scenario." by Robert Spencer
"the meteor of the war"....Herman Melville on John Brown
BNP = Meteor
or
BNP = Canary in the coal mine
Just like the Canary or John Brown, the BNP is not the answer to this problem, but it is a warning of how bad things have gotten. Even crazy John Brown started looking good near the end to many people.
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at January 29, 2008 9:06 PM
And also assimilate Judeo-Christian ethics and universal values, instead of striving to establish the intolerant, subduing, subordinating ethos of supremacist, supercessionist Islam.
Posted by: John C at January 29, 2008 9:11 PM
What a surprise to find a growing number of Europeans realizing, one just cannot get along with someone, who just does not want to get along.
Posted by: flowerknife_us at January 29, 2008 9:14 PM
Here's a similar article from The Scotsman this past December:
Half of Scots see Muslims as 'cultural threat' in wake of terrorist attacks
http://news.scotsman.com/tacklingracisminscotland/Half-of-Scots-see-Muslims.3589516.jp
Posted by: PRCS at January 29, 2008 9:24 PM
Isn't it nice that they've figured that out finally (we've done the heavy lifting for them anyway).
But when exactly are these people going to DO something about the danger posed by Islam besides scapegoat America for their problems???
Doing something about Islam's inherent dangers to non-Muslims may mean the Euros will have to abandon their comfort zones!
Posted by: pythagoras at January 29, 2008 9:38 PM
Great news!!! Yeah!!! All is not necessarily lost. The dislike is not bridgeable or repairable because the more you know about Moslems the more you dislike them. Just hope this trend is going on in the U.S. Just might live to see the end of this phase of the Islamic nightmare!
Posted by: Seymour Paine at January 29, 2008 9:49 PM
Euro-peons are starting to re-reconnect with their survival instincts.
Egad!
Posted by: profitsbeard at January 29, 2008 10:03 PM
Europe has been betrayed by armies of corrupt Politicians and academic elites over the last thirty years. Never was ther once a hint on a referendum for islamic immigration by any heads of government, so as not to upset the applecarts of cheap oil from ME countries.
Well now most have woken to the awful threats awaiting them.
No one questions the legitamcy of the state of Pakistan, hewn from India at the humanitarian cost of so many thousands of Hindu families, yet the europeans continually challenge the legitimacy othe state of Israel.
Soon Europe will have to consider what India was forced to accept - divide Europe into a Muslim and non muslim Europe.
And still they will shout their hatred at Israel for resisting for 60 years what they have not be able to achieve themselves.
at January 29, 2008 10:07 PM
And even after europe is divided into islamic and non Islamic Europe, The Muslims will wage jihad to take the remainimg parts over exactly as they are now doing to the tiny state of Israel.
How Europeans are blind to this repeat scenario on their own lands is mind boggling!
at January 29, 2008 10:12 PM
Will "victory" in Iraq, will "victory" in Afghanistan, in any way make the countries of Western Europe safer from campaigns of Da'wa, the Money Weapon that pays for those mosques, madrasas, propaganda, and armies of Western hirelings, and the demographic conquest that poroceeds inexorably, for how else would you characterize, for example, a Muslim population in the Netherlands that goes from 15,000 in 1970 to more than one million today (with similar, if not always quite so dramatic, rises in the Muslim population everywhere in the Bilad al-kufr, the Lands of the Infidel, in Western Europe -- with Canada and America further, thank god, behind, so that they may learn from the dismal spectacle of what is unsettling Western Europe.
Here again is that sentence:
"The large-scale presence of Muslims in the countries of Western Europe has created a situation for both the indigenous Infidels, and for non-Muslim immigrants, that is more unpleasant, expensive, and physically dangerous than it would be without that large-scale Muslim presence, and the continued unchecked growth of that Muslim population is certain to lead to still greater unpleasantness, expense, and physical insecurity for all non-Muslims."
The sentence cannot be disagreed with.
The only disagreement can come once that sentence has been thoroughly understood and assimilated. That disagreement is over ways and means to deal with the situation. And that depends on the intelligent apprehension by the affected Infidels of their duty to preserve a civiliizational legacy created by other Infidels [that is, non-Muslims], and that consists of works of art, the achievements of science, the elaborate political and legal frameworks developed over time to guarantee the greatest possible human freedom, all of which could not, for one minute, have been tolerated or created under Islam. The unembarrassed recognition of that legacy, and of the duty to protect is, should be, in the Western world, part of everyone's essential education. Whether that education comes from the schools, or from family members, or by other means -- including perhaps the Internet, which has its uses -- doesn't matter. What matters is that recognition, and the willingness to do something, something that previous generations in the intelligent past would have understood instinctively, immediately.
Nowadays, nothing is understood instinctively and immediately, and there is far too much embarrassment over the achievements of the West , and a frivolousness, amounting almost to criminal negligence in the hesitation about preserving both those achievements, and the conditions that made them possible.
Posted by: Hugh at January 29, 2008 10:22 PM
To paraphrase, an "overwhelming majority" of Europeans are still sane, no matter how many people have tried to convince them that they suffer from some kind of irrational "phobia".
Posted by: Caroline at January 29, 2008 10:49 PM
Im speechless .
Posted by: GrennBeck at January 29, 2008 10:53 PM
greatcometof1577: Fitting you would analogize to John Brown. More sophisticated folks like Abraham Lincoln and William Seward repudiated him (Ralph Waldo Emerson naively did not), knowing his approach was not the method which would prove most effective in eradicating slavery, even though both Lincoln and Seward detested that institution. So it is with the BNP. As you stated, the BNP is not the answer to the problem of Muslims aplenty in the Western world, but, as in the case of John Brown, this political party's ascendancy is indicative of how bad things have gotten in PC, multicultural Europe. Cooler heads than those in the BNP are needed, just as more reasonable (and capable) opponents to slavery than John Brown were so sorely required in 1859 or so.
To continue this particular historical analogy further, I would ask if Gordon Brown is now playing the feckless role which James Buchanan fulfilled as America's 15th President, who in Britain will emerge to play the role of Abraham Lincoln? Is there anyone out there who can appeal to the mainstream of British society and who has the consummate political skill of Old Abe? I sure hope so because Islamic terror and demographics are relentless and must be dealt with in such a way that ensures that the West is not Islamicized one way or the other.
Posted by: Wellington at January 29, 2008 10:55 PM
The poll, carried out across 21 countries, found “widespread anti-immigration sentiment”, but warned Europe’s Muslim population will treble in the next 17 years."
-- from the article above
"Will treble?" Is this simply a given? There is nothing Europeans can do about this to protect their own legacy, their own art, science, legal and political institutions, their own physical security? Nothing?
Many things can be done. By god, I could list a hundred:
1. Halt Muslim migration. If you seek its justification, circumspice.
2. Deport all Muslim non-citizens. They have no divine right to remain.
3. Make naturalization tests much stiffer, requiring knowledge of the history and culture of whatever European nation is giving the test. A loyalty oath to the nation-state should be required, one which makes express the foreswearing of all other loyalties, and that includes a phrase about perjury being grounds for the stripping of citizenship so obtained.
Make sure the oath is written so as to expressly exlude a higher loyalty offered to Islam or to fellow members of the Umma, throughout the world.
4. Put much more effort and money into enforcing the laws that exist (or if those laws are not strong enough, make them stronger) so that those who fraudulently receive benefits, and who have been violating the law (say, on polygamy), or who refuse to work (and receive unemployment benefits) though able-bodied, are subject not only to being permanently deprived of all such benefits provided by the Infidel state (free health care, free eduation, free or greatly-subsidized housing) but that the property such people may have accumulated is seized by the state. There have been too many cases of very large sums being accumulated by Muslims, who officially have been on the dole. This problem is not confined to one European country, but can be found everywhere.
5. Make copnviction for violence or threats of violence that are prompted by a refusal to accept freedom of speech as understood in the West is grounds for immediate deportation of non-citizens and of depoprtation, after a hearing (before special courts, with judges versed in Islamic ideology), of those who managed to acquire citizenship in countries for which they do not feel,, and cannot possibly feel, any real loyalty.
6. Interdict, by seizure (with no return), any sums that are sent from abroad by Muslim governments or groups to pay for mosques and madrasas within the lands of Western Europe. Make it very difficult for such buildings to be erected, and use the opposition of local communities, and the zoning laws, to prevent more such buildings from going up.
7. Make sure that the race-relations industry is not roped into defending what has nothing to do with "racism" but with a clear and distinct set of ideas, inculcated by Islam. To wit: the duty of Jihad to remove all barriers to the spread, and then dominance, of Islam, and the view of the universe as being divided in two, between Believers and Infidels, with the former required to see themselves as in a permanent state of war (though not always and everywhere in a state of open warfare -- not if the Infidels are too strong) with Infidels.
8. Do everything to encourage, in and out of schools, the study of the real Islam, and everything to discourage, to expose and to mock, the presentations of Islam by the sly apologists, whether the apologist is a sweetly-smiling hijabbed Muslimah prepared to explain the "real Islam" at some interfaith-racket Outrreach to Infidels at some Mosque Open Night, or at the local library or meeting-hall.
9. Make sure that members of the political and media elites are vigilantly observed by those whom they presume to instruct and protect, to see if they themselves understand Islam sufficiently. Do not let them continue to get away with ignoring this subject, acting as if "of course" Islam is "moderate" or to pretend that real, detailed knowledge, both of what is inculcated in the Qur'an, Hadith, and Sira, and what the 1350-year history of Muslim conquest and subjugation of every kind of Infidel, is somehow unnecessary for their own functions and duties, a waste of time, an irrelevancy. It is not.
10. This one I leave to you.
11-100. And these too.
Posted by: Hugh
at January 29, 2008 10:58 PM
Here's a representative of the enlightened left who would disagree with you:
‘Anti-Mosque Initiatives Tap into a Fear of Islam’
Red Ratbag Watch:
http://sheikyermami.com/2008/01/30/anti-mosque-initiatives-tap-into-a-fear-of-islam/
at January 29, 2008 11:07 PM
Will "victory" in Iraq, will "victory" in Afghanistan, in any way make the countries of Western Europe safer from campaigns of Da'wa...
Never! waging war in those countries simply diverts attention from the inescapable realities, that we are unable and unwilling to defend our own countries against the eternal Islamic duty to submit the world to domination.
In the end the DARK side of our nature will have to be released and unleashed to defend ourselves.
You cannot resist Islamic domination by playing by the 'Marquess of Queensbury' rules
That is the sad fact that has been proven time and time again not only over the last thirty years, but in the History of the defense of our civilisation.
Much as i would hate to see us retreat from our democratic enlightenment and humanitarianism, it offers no defence.
at January 29, 2008 11:07 PM
Cowboys and Muslims anyone?
Posted by: GrennBeck at January 29, 2008 11:14 PM
The BNP? Banque Nationale de Paris? not sure they can help us.
Incidentally has anyone see this group before?
They look like a bunch of chavs and football hooligans but they are pretty politically motivated, plus they include all races, religions.
http://uba.awardspace.co.uk/index1.html
Check out their gallery. it makes you proud to be british.
http://uba.awardspace.co.uk/gallery/
at January 29, 2008 11:17 PM
In many instances, in the History of non Muslim minorities existing under Islam, 'Culls' were undertaken whenever it was deemed that dhimmi populations had increased to "dangerous' levels or acquired enough lootable wealth.
from what i have read (and I'm sure Hugh's superior knowledge would enlighten us on this matter). The kuffars were either killed, converted to Islam or/and taken away as slaves.
it is difficult to believe that our dark side could descend to such levels of barbarity, is it not.
However, the horrors of the Holocaust have shown us what depths of depravity , civilised educated Europeans have descended to in very recent history. Will it ever "revert" to this?
Is this the meaning of the word "revert to Islam"?
The ability to make use and expose the dark side of our human nature without guilt for conquest.
at January 29, 2008 11:26 PM
lPG
I cannot subscribe to any endorsement of the BNP (not the french bank).
the history of fascist hatred All the way back to Colin Jordan and his French heiress wife, who received copious donations from Libya and other ME sources and promoted holocaust denial diatribes of the likes of Faurrison from Lyon university.
The enemy of my enemy must never qualify as an ally in such circumstances.
ONly a complete cleaning of those Augean Stables would qualify to even consider any rapprochement.
at January 29, 2008 11:34 PM
"Will "victory" in Iraq, will "victory" in Afghanistan, in any way make the countries of Western Europe safer from campaigns of Da'wa, the Money Weapon that pays for those mosques, madrasas, propaganda, and armies of Western hirelings, and the demographic conquest that poroceeds inexorably..." by Hugh above
This gets to heart of the "feud" in the so called "anti-jihadist camp". One side views Europe as safe or too stupid to save, and the other views it as the front lines. One side of this camp wants to fight World War I and the other wants to fight the Cold War.
It appears people are starting to confront this, but I fear it has not gone far enough. The battles in Iraq and Afghanistan are not that important to overall outcome of the general war at large. Iraq could fall into hell and it would not change anything. The greatest danger, for the future of the west, is in Europe. If Europe is lost, then we lose the war. If Iraq is "lost", big deal, it has been lost for over thousand years.
It is a real problem. I am worried that many American anti-jihadist are even less informed then the European anti-jihadist. This obsession over the “Iraqi Democracy Project” has blinded us to the Islamic economic and demographic invasion of the west. The reason is simple: If you support the “Iraqi Democracy Project”, you have concluded that Islam is not the problem. That democracy can coexist with Islam. Thus why not conclude the same thing in France, United Kingdom, Turkey and yes the USA. The same principles should apply. If you don’t support the “Iraqi Democracy Project”, then you have concluded that democracy and Islam are not compatible, without a strong secular government and strong secular bill of rights. This cannot be accomplished in Iraq without crushing political Islam. That would mean most of the current political parties in Iraq. You would have to kill a lot of people. We just don’t have the resources to do that now. There are some who would say: “Some democracy is better then no democracy”, or “We should stay in Iraq to fight Iran”, or some other excuse. The trouble with all the excuses is simple: the rewards are not worth the cost.
If you support the “Iraqi Democracy Project”:
Do you really understand the war we are in?
Do you think Islam is dangerous?
Do you understand the danger of losing the culture base of the west?
Do understand how we can lose this war, and how we can’t?
at January 29, 2008 11:39 PM
Hugh,
You speak of European nations.
How do individual countries control migration when they are part of a large union? How do you control migration if people can cross international boundaries as easily as Americans cross state lines?
Then there's the former Yugoslavia, and Turkey. Everyone wants in to the EU.
at January 29, 2008 11:52 PM
"Europeans think Islam is dangerous"--how can that be? Why, it's as crazy as associating the name "bin Laden" with terrorism!
As several readers have mentioned elsewhere, Omar bin Laden, some of Osama bin Laden, hopes to be a "peace ambassador".
"It's about changing the ideas of the Western mind. A lot of people think Arabs, especially the bin Ladens . . are all terrorists. This is not the truth."
So it's all about changing the ideas of Westerners--not changing the ideas of people like his father, who was behind the murder of thousands of Westerners.
Posted by: gravenimage at January 30, 2008 12:06 AM
"Of course they are. And only groups like the BNP are taking up the slack, which cannot bode well for Britain's future in any scenario."
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Sorry if I have to disagree here.. The British have no history of Nazism or fascism and there is absolutely NOTHING being done by the established political system to maintain the British Isles and their traditions.
They are undermining and discriminating against the native populations whose votes they've been taking for granted.
Voting in the B.N.P. would seem like a MUCH lesser evil than to keep things going down the certain path to oblivion if things continue to go on as they are being encouraged to.
The British people have two basic choices: Either they vote in the B.N.P. and have the necessary confrontation sooner than later while it's still winnable. Or they keep putting those who are hellbent on selling out to the highest bidder and don't give a rat's *ss about Great Britain in office.
All the current parties in power there have moslems in various offices.
And I have yet to see ONE of them reading the moslems the riot act.
Sorry, the B.N.P. is clearly the FAR lesser evil than the other option.
Besides, I've been hearing that the BNP is beginning to open up to those who identify with Britain regardless of their race. Lots of former moslems are equally fed up with the dhimmitude which this present crop of "leaders" in Britain and all over the West are displaying in the face of the greatest threat we have ever faced since the advent of Man.
at January 30, 2008 12:15 AM
Is this supposed to be an encouraging sign that Europeans are waking up to the threat of Muslims in their societies?
They knew about this threat a long time ago, and they still continued electing the same old crowed to govern their nations.
Europeans have no bitch comming, just as we in the U.S. won't have someday. When a people recognize a threat to their culture and security, and still refuse to do anything to defend themselves, they'll get what they deserve.
If it's a choice between the BNP, or an Islamic theocracy, I'll take the BNP any day.
Posted by: rational
at January 30, 2008 12:20 AM
McCain is still an enthusiast for the Iraq venture. He includes kagans and kristols among his advisers. If he is the candidate, and if he insists on continuing not to recognize the larger picture, and instead focusses on Iraq, and says he is determined to continue until we "win" there -- without giving thought to how crazy this "winning" idea is, and how little thought has been given to exploiting the pre-existing fissures in Iraq (ethnic and sectarian) and in Afghanistan (mostly sectarian) to divide and demoralize the Camp of Islam (with consequences elsewhere in Dar al-Islam, in Bahrain and Saudi Arabia and Yemen and Kuwait and Pakistan and Lebanon, and possibly, with an independent Kurdistan, among the Berbers and other non-Arab Muslims inspired to throw off the Arab Muslim yoke) he is likely to lose.
Someone has to get to him, and get him to see the folly of Iraq, and to understand the significance of what, as a military man, he may not see: the other, non-military methods of conducting Jihad (the Money Weapon, Da'wa, demographic conquest), and as a sentimentalist (of the People-Are-the-Same-the-Whole-World-Over school) he needs to have his heart, and his mind, hardened. It won't be done with Frederick Kagan advising him. That's a big worry. Who knows? Perhaps General Petraeus himself will begin to see the light, the light beyond Iraq, and realize the folly of it all, the waste and distraction of it, even though it has been his task, and he has done what he could, but perhaps, in fulfilling that task, has put off the day when he sees the full meaning, and menace, of Islam (and in Iraq, working with local Muslim "allies" and perhaps making too much of them, transforming them a bit too easil into local, true-blue loyal Muslim gunga-dins, it is hard to see that bigger picture, that world-wide Jihad, when some of these Iraqis are no doubt winning, and one gets caught up in wanting to help them, and the relentlessness, the stoniness, perhaps even the ruthlessness essential to the successsful conduct of the Counter-Jihad does not develop "in country" while one is trying to work with local "allies" against local "enemies").
McCain's Achilles heel in the general election, should he be the candidate, is that damned support he gives to the folly in Iraq. He must be disabused.
Who will do the disabusing?
Posted by: Hugh at January 30, 2008 12:43 AM
If an "overwhelming majority" of Europeans are hip, then it's fair to ask how they have let the situation deteriorate to the extent that it has.
Posted by: joeblough at January 30, 2008 12:57 AM
Hugh
I'm perplexed at your apparent support for McCain. Aside from the fact that Iraq (namely the surge) has been his signature campaign issue from which he managed to pull himself out of the political dumpster to where he is now, he would have been nowhere had he not taken that issue and wrapped himself around the flag. I also disagree with you that if he keeps supporting the 'occupation', he's going to lose: that's what's made him the frontrunner.
More importantly, on the question of Islam, it's hard to see anybody worse, except probably Ron Paul. McCain not only supports more troops in Iraq and an indefinite stay there (his metric of success is a reduction in attacks on US troops, and he uses the fact that the US has troops in Korea and Iceland as examples of US troops abroad being no problem): he is also opposed to Gitmo, 'torture', supports trying enemy combatants in US courts, supports the International Criminal Court, as well as US judges adapting foreign laws as the basis of their decisions. If I were an al Qaeda member, or even a pedestrian Mohammedan, I fail to see what more I could want that he's not already supporting.
I once noted that Barbara Lee, the Berzerkley congresswoman who was the sole vote against the war against the Taliban in 2001, was the Taliban member of Congress. In that same vein, I'll submit to you that McCain is al Qaeda's man in the senate. And if things go like they did today, he may end up as al Qaeda's man in the White House.
Posted by: Infidel Pride at January 30, 2008 1:40 AM
Don't take your death-cult away from me,
Don't leave my heart in misery,
If you go, I might be blue,
Cuz' waking up is hard to do,
Remember when you caused a fight,
And you sued me both day and night,
Think of what you've put me through,
But waking up's still hard to do.
They say that waking up is, hard to do,
But you know, I don't think it's true,
If this, indeed is the end,
Instead-of-freaking-out-I'll-throw-a-party-for-my-buds-and-friends,
So take your crap away from me,
'Love the idea that you're history,
'Don't know why I feared the truth,
Cuz' breaking up AIN'T hard to do!
Down shooby do, down down,
Come a, come a, down shooby do, down down,
Come a, come a, down shooby do, down down,
Waking up ain't hard to-oo-oo, do.
at January 30, 2008 1:51 AM
"If an "overwhelming majority" of Europeans are hip, then it's fair to ask how they have let the situation deteriorate to the extent that it has."
Just one example: If a political party uses a black sheep to promote the expulsion of criminals, americans roar "RACISM" (google for Arch Puddington)
Posted by: FreeSpeech at January 30, 2008 1:58 AM
"I'm perplexed at your apparent support for McCain."
-- from a posting above
What "support"?
I merely observed that as of this evening, he has become the frontrunner for the Republican nomination and claimed that his Achilles' heel in the general election, should he be the candidate, will be his continued insistence on supporting with such firmness the Iraq venture. Furthermore, "Iraq" will be a main issue if "the Economy" is, for "Iraq" and "the Economy" are not two different issues. If Iraq has already cost more than a trillion dollars, and each year costs another few hundred billion, that certainly affects the American economy.
McCain's chances of winning will be greatly diminished if he continues to hitch his wagon to the Iraq folly, continues to misundrstand the scope of Jihad, the source of the duty of Jihad, the goal of Jihad, and the instruments of Jihad. If he understands all that, he will be most alarmed by what is happening in Western Europe, and will come, possibly reluctantly, to realizing at long last that the goals set for Iraq are the wrong goals, and unattainable to boot, and that Iraq can be a "victory" if "victory is defined, properly, as weakening the Camp of Islam. He could be made to see how, and why, an end to American efforts to bring about Sunni-
Shi'a reconciliation, or at least a modus vivendi, are misplaced, come to understand how those goals make no sense. In order for this to happen, people other than those who now advise McCain on foreign policy -- Frederick Kagan, for example (google "Hero of Baghdad" and "Hugh Fitzgerald")-- will have to be allowed to speak with candidate McCain, before he commits himself to permanent support for the Iraq folly.
Posted by: Hugh
at January 30, 2008 2:23 AM
Malaysia! No Islamophobia allowed!
Posted by: saint at January 30, 2008 2:36 AM
"And also assimilate Judeo-Christian ethics and universal values, instead of striving to establish the intolerant, subduing, subordinating ethos of supremacist, supercessionist Islam."
Posted by: John C at January 29, 2008 9:11 PM
Nicely said, John.
Posted by: Lt. Presley O'Bannon at January 30, 2008 2:45 AM
“To blame immigration is much harder...."
from the article above.
Wouldn't SgtBrown have something to say about this? I think so: " ....Ban Muslim Immigration...."
at January 30, 2008 2:50 AM
40 years ago a senior MP called Enoch Powell predicted this would happen and was driven out of mainstream politics and hounded by “anti-racists” for the rest of his life. The speech that destroyed him can be read on the web but he predicted the present situation in 1968.
But I remember a black member of a TV audience snarling at him “I am black Mr Powell but my wife is white where are you going to send me back to?” Powell replied calmly as one would expect of a classical scholar “You are integrating so you are not a problem, it is the people who do not integrate who are the problem.” Black guy said nothing but looked surprised – even shocked.
He was never given any credit for this and his name is still a byword in the MSM for political racism. If ever he appeared on any public platform a mob of rioting “anti-racists” arrived to prevent the meeting going ahead.
1968 was long before muslims and immigrant groups generally had the political clout they have now so the politicians fear is understandable.
at January 30, 2008 3:49 AM
If an "overwhelming majority" of Europeans are hip, then it's fair to ask how they have let the situation deteriorate to the extent that it has.
Posted by: joeblough
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The answer is simple. They've been voting their pocket books for one. Meaning they'll take $5000 even if they have to vote Hitlery to get it. All without thinking where does that $5000 come from.
And they've been browbeaten to think they are "racist" or "fascist" or something or the other. None of them realizing that they are NOT the only one who feels as they do.
that is what is finally happening over there. They're all waking up.. rubbing their eyes in dazed confusion.. damn.. others are feeling just as I do.
Funny and the MSM never reported any of it.
Posted by: Allah Schmallah at January 30, 2008 3:54 AM
It's about time such an article was written and that such results have been found out.
Let's hope the EU can do something effective regarding this situation.
By the way, this degenerate's comment:
"The danger is that when people are fearful of people born and bred in this country it is likely that discrimination may follow."
makes no sense. Europeans aren't fearful of people born and bred in whichever European country. I may have been born in Italy but Europeans won't have to worry about me because I'm not committed to the superiority of the Islamic religion over the whole world. Europeans are fearful of radical Islamic fanatics.
Then again, I expect no less an idiotic comment from this kind of person.
Posted by: S Perry at January 30, 2008 5:25 AM
And yet again the BNP are singled out - unfairly.
The BNP are the only party addressing the serious problems the British people now face and I am not just talking about immigration or muslims here.
We have an unbelievable ammount of corruption in politics. The BNP have policies to make politicians and public servants more accountable. They also have as part of their policies plans to wean the Brits off the oil addiction - something your president mentioned in his State of the Union speech this week.
There are also the concerns of the EU, marxism and global captialism, all now part of the British political system and all contributing to ruin our once great and proud nation.
We British are not stupid. If the BNP were half as bad as people on here make out they would be dead in the water. The fact is that the BNP are presenting their policies to the British people through the political process and will either succeed or fail at the ballot boxes of our nation.
And more and more Brits, sick of being taxed, sick of being ignored, sick of being told their history and culture are bad, and sick of being swamped by immigrants from anywhere and everywhere are listening to our message and joining us in our fight.
Finally, the BNP will be a far better prospect both for its nation and other nations than the current idiot who occupies the whitehouse. You know the guy - spreads lies to start illegal wars that kill thousands of innocent people and sells out allies to create a muslim state in Europe.
The BNP are the only hope we Brits have.
Posted by: Lionheart at January 30, 2008 6:11 AM
Just a reminder (again) that Muslim immigration is sanctioned and encouraged by the Refugee Resettlement Program of the US State Dept. We have brought over 70,000 Somalis to the US, over 100,000 Bosnian Muslims to the US, we will bring 12,000 Iraqis to the US this fiscal year.
They will be given airfare, housing subsidies, food stamps, health care and a case worker to find them a job paid for by the US taxpayer. Then they can apply to bring their relatives.
Seems we can talk and wring our hands about Europe or we can do something in America before we become Europe.
Posted by: Ann at January 30, 2008 6:20 AM
"But leading Muslim academic Haleh Afshar, of York University, blamed media “hysteria” for the findings. She said: “There is an absence of trust towards Muslims, but to my mind that is very much driven by an uninformed media. "
....hysteria....yep that's it!.....of course, honor killings, intimidation, extortion, bombings, threats of bombings, kidnappings, rape, filmed beheadings, the many friviolous lawsuits, the inch by inch takeover of your land, the increasing assaults in your neighborhoods, the Islamic takeovers of apartment complexes (one after another), the constant demands that you must submit to every Islamic whim or fancy, the refusal of service to you by cab drivers, store clerks, teachers, lawyers, Islamic loving politicians, the taking of your tax dollars to pay for anthing Islamic, the demands by Muslims for you to install footbaths in all public places, the demands by Muslims that you give them time for repeated prayer sessions while at work or school, the demands by Muslims the you must step aside when Muslims approach, the demands by Muslims that you must be prepared to identify yourself as a NOn Muslim, the demands by Muslims that religious icons in your church (i.e. a statue of the Virgin Mary or a Cross)be covered from sight or removed, the demands by Muslims that you must not print or film anything deemed by them as being "offensive" lest you be killed for doing so, the demands by Muslims that they be afforded special priviledges to do whatever they please without your input , the demand by Muslims to replace your laws and judicial systems with the Islamic Sha'ria law and its judicial systems, the demands by Muslims that you remove all your businesses and people from any place where Muslims are present, the demands from Muslims to other Muslims that they must not associate with you (the Non Muslim), the demands that you must dress in the Muslim fashion, the demands that your doctors cannot treat Muslims, your police cannot investigate Muslims, you cannot search Muslim neighborhoods for Muslim criminal suspects, the demands that anything you do that shows Muslim involvement in breach of security procedures must cease immediately , otherwise you will be accused of profiling or discrimination...demands, demands, demands.....
....I could see where hysteria about Muslims could grow....I could see where hysteria could be a valid reaction to the many demands being introduced by Muslims.....I could see where hyseria could become backlash.....
Ban Muslim Immigration...
Posted by: exsgtbrown at January 30, 2008 6:35 AM
Finally! But now DO something!
Posted by: darcy at January 30, 2008 9:42 AM
"40 years ago a senior MP called Enoch Powell predicted this would happen and was driven out of mainstream politics and hounded by “anti-racists” for the rest of his life. The speech that destroyed him can be read on the web but he predicted the present situation in 1968." --posted above
Enoch Powell was a Cassandra, and by definition, Cassandra's are never believed. Also by definition of a Cassandra, of course he was right. Poor Powell - so vilified for telling the truth.
Posted by: darcy at January 30, 2008 9:52 AM
I always liked the BNP since I read its charter on their website.
I honestly dont see anything different from the BNP or the empire.
They want strong industry, tight borders, death penalty, powerful military (to watch out for those bad Germans and Hungarians) rigorous academic standards, love of flag and country, a tough penal system, and an athmosphere that is not hostile to Christianity.
BNP is just trying to show common sense unlike those idiots in Labor, "Conservative", and the Tories.
They are growing, just slowly.
Posted by: Hungarian Crusader at January 30, 2008 10:35 AM
@Ann,
I want to know how many of these islaimic "refugees" will be living next door to any of these idiot politicians that demand we bring them to America?
How many of these leaders will be riding the same planes, subways, and trains with their muslim guests?
How many of these politicians children will be attending the same school as the muslim students?
None you say?
That was my guess.
I already saw what damage and influence muslims can cause when they reach 1/3 of the school body near my residence over in Oak Lawn, Illinois.
They have removed all pork products from the school cafeterias so no more sausage pizzas or Italian sausage sandwiches.
Since when did 1/3 become greater than 2/3 ?
Yes, wonderful idea.
Bring in more muslims to America.
Idiots.
Posted by: Hungarian Crusader at January 30, 2008 10:45 AM
The article from the Daily Express does not offer any details of this poll, by which we can judge its methodological merits and the accuracy of the descriptive claims made about it by the article.
I think this poll, like other similar ones that have purported to show that "the People", unlike those dastardly "Elites", are "fed up", may well not have measured precisely enough what we Jihad Watchers desperately wish it had measured. I.e., the apparently anti-Islam sentiments of the "vast majority" polled may turn out to have been a vague amorphous feeling of antipathy against Muslim immigrants and their superficial behaviors that offend (as northern Italians might feel about southern Italians, or French might feel about Brits, or Dutch might feel about French, etc. & all vice versa), without much of an informed sense of the systemic ideology (Islam) behind it and the unique threats it poses. I wouldn't be surprised (it could be my cynicism talking) if many of that "vast majority", were they asked, "Is Islam itself the problem?" would be quick to say "No, it's just the minority of extremists"; etc.
Posted by: cantor at January 30, 2008 1:24 PM
From the article: "The report says people have little enthusiasm for greater understanding with Islam...”.
Maybe they've been reading the Quran, Sira and Hadith?
Judging from the comments I've read here and in the Quran blog, the average mentally healthy westerner, upon opening up the Quran, experiences a feeling of strong repulsion. It's almost as strong as the reaction you feel when you lift up a rock and find a rattlesnake.
I know that the very first time *I* read it, I thought at once: 'this is a cult text' ('cult' being 'mind-control cult', e.g. the Moonies).
Posted by: dumbledoresarmy at January 31, 2008 4:21 PM
What took the Europeans so long?
May I also remind the hosts of this web blog, that
not more than 5 years ago, I said exactly the same things that others are now finding out, and was kicked off this blog for being too radical.
May I remind the hosts of this blog, that 5 years ago, you were trying to hold hands with the Moslems and sing Kum Ba Ya and "just get along."
I studied Islam in the 1970s in Cairo, I knew then they were insane for a couple of reasons: Reading Koran Komics, and inbreeding by marrying their first cousins for the last 1400 years in order to stay close to the line of Mohammad has created genetic monsters.
Fourteen hundred years of inbreeding in which genetically they inherited and increased the potential for paranoid schizophrenia and radical fantacism has not gone unnoticed by those who understand such simple concepts as breeding cattle and dogs. Somehow, it has been PC to believe that human beings were exempt from the laws of genetics. Well no we are not.
I believe I also said five years ago, that some in my crowd have renamed Islamic human subspecies as "homo insectus suicidus" because only insects routinely "kill" and "eat" their own young. Well, so do Moslems. Moslems are a product of 14 centuries of dysgenics which has resulted in a major percentage of the Islamic populations being as radical as they come.
I am more than a little chagrined that I and others who know the psychology and anthropology of "The Arab Mind" (by Raphael Patai, 1975/1976, reissued in 2002)...were treated with such disdain and lack of respect 5 years ago, but then that is the fault of the modern Western Mind, which is losing its focus, perspective, and respect for "logic" and entering into a utopian, religious, and romantic view of the world.
Just look at our American candidates for President in both political parties. They are clueless.
The utopian dream world of religion and other forms of "state worship" such as socialism, fascism, etc...are just one of the problems we have to face, coupled with what Islam wants to do to us. I do believe I pointed out that there was 1.6 billion Moslems in the world, which in just sheer weight of numbers, should have been enough of a concern 5 years ago, to stop Islamic immigration into the West.
I also pointed out that not one square inch of the Middle East belongs to the Moslems, because before 1400 years ago, the ME was populated by Zoroastrians, Christians, Jews, Ba'aihs, and othe Pagans. Moslems stole, murdered, tortured, and manipulated their way to now own the entire ME. Mslems are experts at taking generations to own and control new land for Allah. Moslems are now causing major problems in Asia, especially Thailand, and Africa.
I do believe five years ago, I was chided for not respecting someone else' religion, that not all Moslems are "bad," blah, blah, blah. Excuse me, but every Moslems' daily prayer is for your death and enslavement. They pray for the supremacy of Islam five times a day...now what? What do you do to ensure your freedom five times a day?
There are 1 million Moslems living around Houston, Tx, about 300,000 in Flynt, Michigan and about 10 million in the US total, including 400,000 converts to Islam in our penitenaries. Why are they still here? Moslems in the US are "loyal" to the Nation of Islam...no matter where they live, so essentially they lied on their passport applications when they declared their allegiance to the US. Boot them out!
Just reading the Koran Komics one finds a clear example of "hate speech, slavery (Moslems continue to have 80,000 slaves), massive genocide and such Surahs as 35:5 recommend beating women because men are superior. This is "hate speech." If a white person said any of this tripe about black people the US would be up in arms...but then it is only in the magical view of religion that someone can pray, speak, and work for the enslavement of nonbelievers...and get away with it.
The Moslems I've talked to say the FBI has their phone numbers on speed dial. Ok, but will that be enough to stop Islams encroachment on our country using the ballot box (yes they getting elected to office),they are demanding worship sites, and even taxpayer-paid for "foot baths." A new mosque is opened every week in the US, in which they pray, plot and plan for your demise. It is not a secret what Moslems want to do. If the KKK or the Aryan Nation did the same thing, many of you Left Wing Liberal Democrats and Clueless Republicans would be screaming bloody murder.
Moslems are getting American educations at our expense, and now teaching in our public schools,working in our local governments, going on welfare, getting food stamps, and "demanding" we give them special rights, because after all the US does condone the "religious" being treated with kid gloves.
As far as I am concerned, there is no difference between Islam and Christianity, the latter of which has been under control from "killing" nonbelievers because the founders of the US wrote atheistic secular laws. I counted no less than 30 such admonitions in the Old and New Testament who stated it was the duty of Christians to kill nonbelievers. Therefore, is it any surprise, that that the Christians of the Western World are tolerant of Islam?
All these niceties and profestations of "love" from the Christians will end when and if a President is elected whose agenda is to put "god" back in the US Constitution. One might then ask, "OK, but whose god?" ....Or ask, who now speaks for god?
The "real war" in the Western World is to once again respect logic and individual freedom.
Allowing Islam to proliferate, which the West has done for multiple reasons, is a symptom of West's growing magical view of the world, and a switch in priorities to get a daily dose of idiocy with the trials and tribulations of Brittany Spears.
The Western world cannot survive as long as it believes in magic and belief, because Islam has no doubts about anything it does, including killing its own children to further Islam.
If I am kicked out this blog again, so be it. I'll just be back five years from now telling you "I told you so,".... "if" the likes of Hillary Clinton and Barack Hussein Obama have not shut down free speech on the Internet.
DeeVee
at February 2, 2008 4:47 AM
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