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An update on this story. "Female suicide bombers kill dozens in Baghdad markets," from CNN:
BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- Female suicide bombers blew themselves up Friday at two markets in Baghdad, killing at least 64 people and wounding more than 100, authorities said.
[...]
In both bombings, the attackers were wearing suicide vests, according to Qasim Atta, a spokesman for the Baghdad security plan.
Atta told state TV that both women were mentally disabled and their explosives were remotely detonated.
The Al Ghazil pet market struck in the first attack is a popular destination where people buy and sell cats, dogs, monkeys and other animals. Attackers have struck the market on Fridays -- its busiest day -- several times in the last year or so.
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...Islamic social services for the handicapped or mentally ill is a thing of wonder...
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at February 1, 2008 9:56 AM
Both female mass murderers were mentally disabled? I wonder if it was due to brain injury sustained in the course of their regular beatings...
Let's see... The bombs were remotely detonated. Now, it seems to me that, just this week, I read right here that it wasn't legal to kill women and children in "jihad". Have the rules changed again?
Can I wear white sneakers after Labor Day? What's the fashion, here? I'm so confused!
Posted by: Abscedere at February 1, 2008 9:58 AM
Somethind like this is hard to believe. Where is the moral outrage over such tactics, welcome to the world of islam. What fools we have become.
Posted by: AMartinez at February 1, 2008 10:01 AM
Standard Operating Procedure. Done by the PLO, or whatever its constitute groups are called -- Hamas, Islamic Jihad, No-Name Terrorist Group -- all the time. Or at least they have tried. Often the Israelis, sensing what is to come, have managed to defuse the mindless time-bomb and save the innocent would-be mass-murderer's life.
Posted by: Hugh at February 1, 2008 10:04 AM
The sad thing is, it's not hard to believe this at all. Islamists are the lowest slime on the face of the world, that they would use the mentally handicapped, and children, as suicide bombers. It's not the first time, no surprise here. Islamists are inhuman.
Posted by: ImNoDhimmi at February 1, 2008 10:05 AM
Let's see:
Husband is tired of wife.
Husband complains to inlaws that wife is unfaithful.
In-laws are distressed, family honor you know.
In-laws go to imam, imam gives them lecture and explosive belt.
In laws present solution to distraught husband.
Husband and in-laws relay decisions to wife, and instructs her to be there at eleven-o'clock sharp.
Wife complies, taking out man who lives next door while he was shopping in market.
Husband marries next door widow, who he has seceretely been having an affair with.
End.
at February 1, 2008 10:15 AM
One has to wonder about a religion that can be misunderstood to allow this.
Posted by: David England at February 1, 2008 10:34 AM
Divorce-Muslim-Arab-style is imaginatively constructed by an aptly-named poster at 10:15 a.m. He, and others, might enjoy a less-bloody variant:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZjLdseSUnM
Posted by: Hugh at February 1, 2008 10:38 AM
I guess if this was Iran amanutjob would be saying 'see we have no mentally ill people like you guys.'
Posted by: Aunt Bea at February 1, 2008 10:40 AM
Talk about the darkside. That is just plain evil.
But -- why Fridays? What would be the significance of Fridays in the repeated terrorist bombings?
/disingenuous question
Posted by: Goob at February 1, 2008 10:41 AM
"Atta told state TV that both women were mentally disabled . . . ."
Islam does have that effect on people, both women and men. Just as one can disable a car or TV by removing or cutting some of the wiring, it seems that Islam cuts some of the wiring in the brain.
at February 1, 2008 10:49 AM
Terrible people to do something like this. Islam is evil.
OT
Powderkeg in Germany
http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,532423,00.html
at February 1, 2008 10:50 AM
"Let's see... The bombs were remotely detonated. Now, it seems to me that, just this week, I read right here that it wasn't legal to kill women and children in "jihad". Have the rules changed again?"
Posted by: Abscedere
The rules were probably changed by one of the famous "abrogations" -- a minor one, often overlooked.
at February 1, 2008 11:02 AM
"The Al Ghazil pet market struck in the first attack is a popular destination where people buy and sell cats, dogs, monkeys and other animals."
Will PETA members become outraged at this wanton slaughter of animals? Probably not, because they will contextualize it as the "understandable" lashing out of an "oppressed" and "occupied" class of lovely Third World perpetual victims; or if they do, they will place all the blame on Bush.
at February 1, 2008 11:03 AM
46:16.
They are those from whom We shall accept the best of their deeds and overlook their evil deeds. (They shall be) among the dwellers of Paradise, a promise of truth, which they have been promised.
at February 1, 2008 11:13 AM
So much for stopping muslim immigration. As soon as a politician speaks out he is cast out.
http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,529527,00.html
Posted by: Borg at February 1, 2008 11:26 AM
Here is an article about women suicide bombers.
How I Hoped to Turn My Body into Slivers to Tear the Sons of Zion to Pieces, and to Knock with Their Skulls on the Gates of Paradise"
http://www.memri.org/bin/latestnews.cgi?ID=IA41908
at February 1, 2008 11:40 AM
From the Memri article:
The souls of the martyrs dwell inside the bellies of green birds [that roost] on chandeliers hanging from the royal throne [of Allah in Paradise]. They roam freely in Paradise, and then come to roost on the chandeliers... Sister... [think] what a [wonderful] life that is, how [wonderful] Paradise is, and what we miss living here [in this world]... You know that a martyr does not die. He lives, and will never know death, for it is said [in Koran 2:153]: 'And do not speak of those who are slain in Allah's way as dead; nay, [they] live, but you do not perceive [it].'
Ah, to live inside the belly of a bird...what a life!
/can you believe anyone could go for this?
at February 1, 2008 11:51 AM
This is so utterly stomach-turning that words fail me.
However - using women as suicide bombers whose 'bombs' are detonated by remote control is not exactly new. Weren't the female Chechen terorists also wearing belts with explosives which had to be detonated by remote control, during the siege at that theatre in Moscow a few years ago?
However, using 'mentally disabled' women must be the most despicable act yet.
Clearly, the jihadists are not noble fighters, they are the most lowly cowards creeping on the face of this earth.
Now I'm looking forward to hear the jihadist 'justification' for this sickening attack.
Posted by: Calon Lan at February 1, 2008 11:57 AM
Given the hideousness of Islamic society in general, and of Arab society in particular (coincidence?), one might require a more detailed definition of "mentally disabled" before inferring anything about these women, or accepting any Arab version of this thing. It would hardly surprise me to learn that these women were simply judged to be "disabled" by another of those cruel, wicked and distorted methods so often seen used by Arabs. Arabs are, after all, people who believe that mass murderers are "maryrs", that evil is the sublimest manifestation of God's will on earth, that killing mothers, daughters, and sisters is "honorable", that killing and terrorizing innocents is noble, and that Islam embodies everything that is good. It is a truly demented society, and virtually everything Arabs say must be scrutinized and filtered for lies, distortions, and evil nonsense.
Posted by: jsla at February 1, 2008 11:58 AM
I thought that it was ok with Allah to blow up the mentally handicapped.
Posted by: TheOmegaMan at February 1, 2008 11:58 AM
I'll say it again - is there any other religion in human history that used such tactics?
Maybe, just maybe, it's not a religion.
Maybe, just maybe, it's a political movement.........
As author Frank Hebert wrote:
"When religion and politics ride in the same cart, nothing can stand in their path."
But he also wrote:
"The fall from a high place is sudden and steep."
Posted by: tanstaafl at February 1, 2008 12:10 PM
Every Day we see the limits of depravity of the jihadist mind descend further into the inferno.
When will we face the truth that we cannot defend ourselves from the ivory towers of our enlightened liberal culture, but will have to descend into that inferno ourselves if we are to survive.
at February 1, 2008 12:23 PM
Yes, where is Naseem?
There must be some way of excusing, explaining, defending or abrogating this incident.
Maybe not.
Posted by: tanstaafl at February 1, 2008 12:26 PM
I wonder if Salman Hossain, of Toronto, has "enjoy[ed] watching the blood flow" from these 64 (or 73 acording to a later report) Iraqi Moslems. killed by their Moslem "sisters"?
Posted by: ebonystone at February 1, 2008 12:27 PM
I don't know if things can get any lower. This is the lowest of the low, absolutely diabolical.
Posted by: Lost in the Hazel at February 1, 2008 12:28 PM
"I don't know if things can get any lower. This is the lowest of the low, absolutely diabolical."
Putting panties on the heads of terrorists?
Posted by: Elric66 at February 1, 2008 12:32 PM
Atta told state TV that both women were mentally disabled and their explosives were remotely detonated.
........................
So hideous you would think even other Muslims would be appalled.
More:
The Al Ghazil pet market struck in the first attack is a popular destination where people buy and sell cats, dogs, monkeys and other animals. Attackers have struck the market on Fridays -- its busiest day -- several times in the last year or so.
.........................
So attacking the pet markets is not new--this was just worse than previous hits. And the attacks have come on Fridays--is it just because, as cited in the article, that Friday is the busiest day? Or is it that the Islamic sabbath is seen as a good day to strike at something--enjoying the company of pets--that is considered by many hard-line Muslims to be "un-Islamic"?
at February 1, 2008 12:33 PM
I thought all suicide bombers were mentally disabled?
But that's probably just me suffering a touch of sanity :)
Posted by: Henrik at February 1, 2008 12:38 PM
In a war, the aim is to win. This is a clever use of resources. Do we want to win?
Posted by: ReligionofPeas at February 1, 2008 12:46 PM
No need for Naseem to post; we can generate a Naseem post ourselves:
Assalamau Laikum all,
yes, this is sad day when two womens, even retardeds, have to kill so many peoples, but it could be said they were push by Bush to do it. As you know I am Ahmadi and we do not believe the Deen is advanced this way. If you kuffr will stop focssing on the negative and look to the positive in Islam, the true Tawheed and Wudud and not the desperate measures of these sad womens, you will see the light as Wuslims
and Allah Tall'ah knows best
Posted by: Naseem
at February 1, 2008 12:51 PM
Excellent. Keep it up.
Posted by: Hugh at February 1, 2008 12:59 PM
CAIR rallies for Gaza, but not one peep about this atrocity, or any others for that matter. What's that say?
Posted by: Sounder at February 1, 2008 1:00 PM
Islam and being mentally unstable go hand in hand, don't they? Guess the guys who strapped the belts on these women who were carrying the remote control were considered the more 'sane' of the group. Right.
Posted by: champ
at February 1, 2008 1:03 PM
The Idea that the mentally ill are blessed by Allah in that they can redeem themselves through acts of martyrdom must be irresistible to some religious fanatics. This has most likely happened before. Think how easy it would be to convince a Down's Syndrome person to wander into a crowd of women and children wandering around a market. Think of the warmth and sympathy afforded to that handicapped person by the women and children. Perhaps a guiding hand, a smile and then.. boom as the button is pressed remotely.
Truly such depravity is mind boggling.
How many other suicide bombers are coerced into producing what is vaunted as "an act of martyrdom" but is in fact little else than depraved coercion.
wait for the minimisers and little helpers draw moral equivalence between Hitler's treatment of the handicapped.
it HAS happened before-
http://hurryupharry.bloghouse.net/archives/2005/02/03/is_choosiness_an_option_yet.php
at February 1, 2008 1:09 PM
I just heard that both were afflicted with Down Syndrome. Perfect for following simple directions trustingly and without question, and for not being suspected in advance. There's no hell hot enough for these animals.
Posted by: BunrattyBill at February 1, 2008 1:21 PM
Since most Muslims are peaceful, and don't approve of terror and volence in the name of Islam, now we will see millions of Muslims streaming into the streets across the Muslim world deploring the utter barbarity of this atrocity. Imams will preach fiery sermons condemning the beasts who committed it to the most condign punishments Allah can devise. The people in the neighborhood where the terrorists live and worship will be so utterly revulsed that the perpetrators will be turned in, and their associates and Imams and sheiks and financiers also will be repudiated.
Right?
Right?
Posted by: jsla at February 1, 2008 1:40 PM
And the parents no doubt handed over their children to bomb handlers. The parents no longer have to feed or house them. Someone probably gave the family some money, so all is well in Islam.
Jihadi's again have proven that they are bottom feeders. No savage act is beyond them...
at February 1, 2008 1:49 PM
How can a Jihadist best demonstrate the noble practices and customs as detailed in the holy Qur'an:
Murder someone who doesn't follow the Qur'an exactly like you do? Not savage enough.
Mass murder people who don't follow the Qur'an exactly like you do? Not heinous enough.
Mass murder innocents regardless of how they follow the Qur'an? Not deprived enough.
Suicide Bombing Mass Murder of innocents? Still not horrific enough.
Female Suicide Bombing Mass Murder of innocents? Hmmm...getting close but still lacking that certain pizazz that Allah likes.
Handicapped Female Suicide Bombing Mass Murder of innocents? Almost there.
Remote-controlled Handicapped Female Suicide Bomb Mass Murder of Innocents? Yes, Yes, that's a perfect way to show the glory of Islam!
at February 1, 2008 1:54 PM
The hell with Muslims. Were any dogs hurt?
Posted by: poetcomic1 at February 1, 2008 2:02 PM
I don't mean to be cruel but, I'd like to see the look on the face of the next martyr when these two show up as part of his 72 virgin reward package.
Posted by: TheOmegaMan at February 1, 2008 2:03 PM
Tsk, tsk. The human race. Will muslims EVER qualify?
Posted by: allahlovesporkchops at February 1, 2008 2:21 PM
"I'd like to see the look on the face of the next martyr when these two show up as part of his 72 virgin reward package."
Actually, since according to the Sunna (Bukhari) Mohammed said that most (Muslim) women end up in Hell (Volume 1, Book 6, Number 301), this presents a problem for Allah as the Superfly Pimp on High: how will he provide 72 virgins for each Muslim man in Paradise, if he is damning most of the women to Hell?
The solution seems to be in Koran 56:35-36:
Lo! We have created them a (new) creation. And made them virgins...
The interpretation of this solution that Ibn Kathir provides in his tafsir (exegesis) on the Koran would not work: he conjectures (based upon hadith traditions and his own reasoning) that
That is, Allah will recreate the elderly women and make them virgins...
This wouldn't solve the problem of the great Virgin Shortage in Paradise, since most elderly women would also be damned to Hell.
The tafsir of the al-Jalalayn provides the solution that makes sense, since anything is possible for Allah: Allah will simply create virgin girls anew for those men in Paradise, girls who have never really lived a life but came into existence suddenly for the express purpose of being the sex slaves of men for eternity; sort of like sex androids.
Verily We have created them with an [unmediated] creation, namely, the wide-eyed houris, [We created them] without the process of birth...
(Furthermore, the al-Jalalayn tafsir informs us that each of these newly created virgins will, by Allah's power, revert to virginity after each sexual copulation.)
at February 1, 2008 2:38 PM
So I guess to get ahead of this a little. We need to pass laws against outdoor petting zoos. And Down Syndrome women/men/childern, especially wearing head to foot clothing. Let's see what else? Oh, how about football games (Stupid Bowl) or any public gathering. Or maybe a law on, public clothing like loose fitting and bulky over cloths, coats and burqas (especially burqas!). But sadly these are just addressing the symptoms not the disease.
On a completely different line of thought, is the statement that these women were mentally off. How would they know that? Did they talk to someone who knew them? Can we believe anything that comes out of the mouth of these people (war is deceit). I would even question the number of dead. I would question everything when it comes too the religion of lies. I don't doubt that someone went into a crowded market and blew themselves up. I would question the motivation. Talking about the poor woman (if that is what they were) is a waste of time.
Proverbs 8:12
Before destruction a man's heart is haughty, but humility goes before honor.
Jeremiah 17:9
The human heart is most deceitful and desperately wicked. Who really knows how bad it is?
امثال 8:12
قبل تدمير الرجل القلب هو متغطرس ، ولكن قبل ان يذهب الشرف التواضع.
إرميا 17:9
قلب الانسان هو الاكثر خادعه وياءسه الشرس. الذي يعرف حقا كيف سيئة وم
at February 1, 2008 2:41 PM
OT, but important.
Why we should be more careful about who is in authority...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/01/31/AR2008013103458.html?nav=hcmoduletmv
A Fairfax County police sergeant pleaded guilty yesterday to illegally using police computers to check license plate numbers for a friend, not knowing that the friend was the target of a federal investigation and that the license plates were on cars used to surveil the friend.
Posted by: interestinconundrum at February 1, 2008 2:45 PM
It's all vaguely reminiscent of Conrad's novel, 'The Secret agent' where a man attempts to use his wife's mentally disabled young brother to plant a bomb at the Greenwich Observatory but the boy is killed when it goes off prematurely.Hitchcock made a classic film based on it.
Posted by: wallyUK at February 1, 2008 2:59 PM
Gee, I wonder why everyone here is so "islamophobic" after reading this story.
Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at February 1, 2008 3:04 PM
The link given at 2:45 p.m. is to this story. I thought it should be posted in full:
Fairfax Officer Admits Misusing Computers
Plea Entered in Illegal License Checks
By Tom Jackman
Friday, February 1, 2008; Page B01
"A Fairfax County police sergeant pleaded guilty yesterday to illegally using police computers to check license plate numbers for a friend, not knowing that the friend was the target of a federal investigation and that the license plates were on cars used to surveil the friend.
Sgt. Weiss Rasool, 30, joined the county police in 2000 and is assigned to patrol the McLean district. He has been suspended with pay pending the outcome of an internal investigation, Officer Don Gotthardt said.
During a brief hearing in federal court in Alexandria, Rasool pleaded guilty to one misdemeanor count of unauthorized computer access. The maximum sentence is one year in prison, though sentencing guidelines call for probation or up to six months.
In a statement of facts filed by the government and signed by Rasool, authorities said Rasool used the Fairfax police computer system June 10, 2005, to access the Virginia Criminal Information Network and the National Crime Information Center to check three license plates. After learning that the plates were registered to a leasing company -- which authorities say Rasool had reason to believe was providing vehicles to federal investigators -- Rasool told his friend that the plates had been traced to a company, not an individual.
That phone call was being monitored by federal agents on a wiretap authorized by the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court, court records show. The subject of the surveillance has since been convicted of felonies in U.S. District Court in Alexandria, but a spokesman for the U.S. attorney's office declined to identify him yesterday.
The agents could tell from the phone call that Rasool and their target had spoken before, court records state. And because Rasool was not conducting a police investigation or other official business, he was breaking the law by accessing the state and federal databases.
In addition, authorities said, Rasool checked his own name and others in the national crime database more than 15 times to determine whether he or other individuals were registered in the Violent Crime and Terrorist Offender File, also a federal violation when not done as part of a police investigation. Rasool is a native of Afghanistan and a naturalized U.S. citizen.
Outside the courtroom, Rasool declined to discuss specifics of the case. But he said he had not intended to harm an investigation or damage the United States.
"I couldn't serve in the military because of family issues," Rasool said. "But this country's done so much for me. I will defend it, protect it and serve it until the last drop of my blood."
Rasool's attorney, James W. Hundley, said Rasool "didn't divulge any information he shouldn't divulge." He said a member of Rasool's mosque asked the police officer to "check license plates he was concerned about" on vehicles he suspected had been following him.
Hundley said Rasool told his friend that he would be able to provide only limited information, mainly whether the cars were registered to companies or individuals. He found they were registered to a company, Hundley said, and left a voice-mail message to that effect.
The cars apparently were being used for federal surveillance, Hundley said. He said that he did not know the name of the person being watched and that Rasool "had no reason to believe this person was the subject of an investigation."
Rasool only recently learned of the investigation, Hundley said, apparently after the target was convicted of immigration offenses and deported.
Hundley said Rasool was checking the federal terrorism "watch list to see if he or others close to him were incorrectly listed. None of them were, and he never divulged it. And anyone that was on the watch list, he didn't divulge that either."
Rasool is scheduled to be sentenced April 15."
at February 1, 2008 3:17 PM
*If* it is true that the women were mentally disabled (I concur with 'Im.mad.as.HELL) above, in doubting most details of any report that depends solely on the word of Muslims) then - among other things - this looks like human sacrifice.
I begin to see why one of the regular posters here, has been claiming for some time that Islam is a de facto human sacrifice cult.
I began to wonder that, too, when I read 'Legacy of Jihad'. The ghastly pointlessness, magnitude and indeed wastefulness of the perpetual mass murders - killings so extensive that the conquerors often shot themselves in the foot by permanently depleting the populations of the conquered lands, such that the productivity of those lands never truly recovered, and the conquerors received less food, goods and jizya money than they might have got had they left more peasants and townspeople alive - began, after a while, to seem as if it were an end in itself, the real raison d'etre of jihad.
Then, if there are no dhimmis around as a source of victims (all those pogroms and lynchings, justified by flimsy excuses, or even by deliberate lies); or if it can't get across the border to kill unbelievers; then we see Islam dividing itself against itself, so as to be able to continue killing, killing, killing.
'Honor' killings seem to me to fit the 'human sacrifice' pattern, too. So often, just like the attacks upon the dhimmi populations that punctuate the history of the umma, they are performed on the basis of flimsy excuses or even rumors and lies - as if, at bottom, any excuse will do to pick a victim and kil her.
I suspect that in their heart of hearts there are some within the Ummah - like Ahmadinejad - who want WMDs not so that they may conquer and rule the earth, but in order that they may press a few buttons and in that instant DESTROY the entire earth and all life upon it. The ultimate offering of blood and death on the altar of 'allah' the war god; the ultimate suicide-mass murder combination.
Posted by: dumbledoresarmy at February 1, 2008 3:21 PM
These stories are so full of shit. How do these people know if the bombs were remotely detonated? The Iraqi's have no intelligence authorities, they have no law and order, how the hell am I supposed to believe that they knew these woman were mentally disabled. As if Iraq has medical records on it's citizen's. Once upon a time it did but the chances of that now is about zero. And it doesn't make sense; why are they going to bomb a market of all places? As much as I don't condone the act, for them to go to a market to do it seems unrealistic.
Conclusion- another full of shit story designed to tarnish the image of Islam, but I ain't buying it.
at February 1, 2008 3:24 PM
cantor,
That's good analysis. The only logical conclusion is Allah's virginal sex androids. Was it John Adams who mentioned the debased spiritual life when speaking of Mohammed?
Indeed. Robert put it in one of his books somewhere. But searching is faster...
“Adopting from the sublime conception of the Mosaic law, the doctrine of one omnipotent God; he connected indissolubly with it, the audacious falsehood, that he was himself his prophet and apostle. Adopting from the new Revelation of Jesus, the faith and hope of immortal life, and of future retribution, he humbled it to the dust by adapting all the rewards and sanctions of his religion to the gratification of the sexual passion. He poisoned the sources of human felicity at the fountain, by degrading the condition of the female sex, and the allowance of polygamy; and he declared undistinguishing and exterminating war, as a part of his religion, against all the rest of mankind. THE ESSENCE OF HIS DOCTRINE WAS VIOLENCE AND LUST; TO EXALT THE BRUTAL OVER THE SPIRITUAL PART OF HUMAN NATURE (Capitals in original)...Between these two religions, thus contrasted in their characters, a war of twelve hundred years has already raged. The war is yet flagrant...While the merciless and dissolute dogmas of the false prophet shall furnish motives to human action, there can never be peace upon earth, and good will towards men.” Adams concluded solemnly, “As the essential principle of his [Muhammad’s] faith is the subjugation of others by the sword; it is only by force, that his false doctrines can be dispelled, and his power annihilated.”
http://mideastoutpost.com/archives/000095.html
at February 1, 2008 3:24 PM
BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- Female suicide bombers blew themselves up Friday at two markets in Baghdad, killing at least 64 people and wounding more than 100, authorities said. [...] In both bombings, the attackers were wearing suicide vests, according to Qasim Atta, a spokesman for the Baghdad security plan.Atta told state TV that both women were mentally disabled and their explosives were remotely detonated.
Mentally disabled? Their explosives were remotely detonated?
In other words, these two were murdered along with the 64 others that died with them.
Is anyone fed-up with islam yet or are we still tripping over one another to protect the rights of these ... using the term loosely ... "people?"
Posted by: witness at February 1, 2008 3:33 PM
Borg,
I read the der spiegel article and it linked to an editorial written previously. The last two paragraphs raised more questions:
The country, or at least the west of it, has done an impressive job of atoning for the crimes of the Nazis, but that history will continue to cloud Germany's national identity, and surely deters immigrants from rushing to embrace any kind of German-ness.
Is it unreasonable to ask people who don't want to embrace "German-ness" why they chose to emigrate there? If they came for the work, is it unfair to expect them to give something in return, like loyalty?
So instead of telling its immigrants not to slaughter sheep in their kitchens, Germany would be well advised to be nicer to its immigrants. Like it or not, they're here to stay.
"be well advised to be nicer"? Is that a threat? Who says they're here to stay? Does Germany have no right to expel immigrants who endanger society (slaughtering sheep in the kitchen might pose a danger to public health or to private property) or is getting into Germany a guarantee that you can stay there for life without assuming any responsibility toward the community that accepted you?
Posted by: PMK at February 1, 2008 3:33 PM
thesaracen,
That's some great analysis. No wonder the Islamic world is eight hundred years behind in science.
"It can't be true because it makes Islam look bad."
You make medieval scholastics look like Stephen Hawking.
Posted by: Beagle at February 1, 2008 3:36 PM
Saracen~
Hold youself, dude.
A simple DNA test can confirm Down syndrome.
A good foresnsic evaluation can detect whether the bomb was remotely detonated.
Islam needs to learn that there relly is such a thing as bad publicity.
Posted by: skevin at February 1, 2008 3:38 PM
Probably witnesses and American intelligence provided the information. But Muslims never let investigation or reason get in the way of a good conpiracy theory.
Posted by: Beagle at February 1, 2008 3:42 PM
Islam hits a new low, using the mentally disabled to blow up by remote control. Where is it in their Koran that using such advanced radio technology is halal?
If they do this with the blessings of their Allah, the All Knowing, the Merciful and Compassionate, then their god is a Monster, and their warlord (pbuh) who brought them to this hideous monstrosity is a mad mass murderer of the lowest form. This is all from the ‘best people’ who look down on the rest of humanity with arrogance? Shame, shame. But they have no shame, no remorse, just the lowest form of mindless murder for their Monster. Not a religion, not at all a religion, but a Cult of Death.
My heart goes out to those poor Muslimas who were strapped with bombs… to kill men, women, and children… and innocent animals.
Where is Naseem when we need her to explain the wonderful attributes of her ‘religion of…’? Scratch that. She will not utter a peep. No Da'wa today Naseem?
at February 1, 2008 3:50 PM
Al Qaeda (jihad groups) target(s) markets because they believe the Iraqis are traitors to Islam for not fighting to the last disabled woman and child against the Americans. They have had some debates over this very issue, intercepted by intelligence.
Then you have the positive press coverage such strikes generate in AFP, AP, and Reuters. They tout the number killed as if they fight back, and spin the strike as a blow against the Americans.
So, thesaracen, in actual fact it's the positive press for the mujahideen which enables and encourages them to do this. It's your internal sense of right and wrong, apparently not yet completely snuffed out by Islam, which says this is wrong.
Posted by: Beagle at February 1, 2008 3:50 PM
Watched French news TF1 and France 3, both detailed the attacks, both made sure that they mentioned that it was a blow to the surge and to the USA, neither mentioned that they were Downs Syndrome people used in this appling way by terrorists. They did not even say that most of the victims were children.
The MSM, its not what you report its what you do not report and yes they have past history in doing this, they used a male Dwons Syndrome during the elections and that hardly got noted in the news either.
As for this:
"Conclusion- another full of shit story designed to tarnish the image of Islam, but I ain't buying it."
They are only following the example of the perfect man, of course you are right thesaracen, in your eyes nothing like this could tarnish your religion. The terrorists were following the example of the perfect man in every way.
Posted by: Daffersd at February 1, 2008 3:59 PM
Beagle - thanks for the John Quincy Adams quote, which bears repetition, for the benefit of any new visitors to the site.
When one bears in mind the kind of person John Quincy Adams was - a lifelong campaigner against slavery, a person intelligent, clear-headed, humane and compassionate - his final judgement upon Islam, that it may only be dispelled and annihilated by the use of force, is all the more weighty.
Winston S Churchill agreed with him. In "The River War" (the suppression of jihad in the Sudan in the 19th century) he writes:
"No terms but fight or death were offered. No reparation or apology could be made. . . The red light of retribution played on the bayonets and the lances, and civilization—elsewhere sympathetic, merciful, tolerant, ready to discuss or to argue, eager to avoid violence, to submit to law, to effect a compromise—here advanced with an expression of inexorable sternness, and rejecting all other courses, offered only the arbitration of the sword."
Neither Adams nor Churchill loved war in and of itself; they loved Civilisation, peace and life, justice and freedom.
But, they recognised in Islam on the march something fundamentally inimical to humanity, and to everything good; they faced the facts: it simply had to be fought.
Psychologist M Scott Peck, in 'People of the Lie', was driven to remarkably similar conclusions in his reflections upon human evil.
Reflecting on a situation in which he had had to act to rescue a child, a patient of his, from being deliberately destroyed by its parents, he writes:
"I would still envision it as my initial task to rescue 'Bobby' from his parents, and I would still resort, as I did then, to the use of temporal power to accomplish that task.
"I have learned nothing in twenty years [as a psychologist] that would suggest that evil people can be rapidly influenced by any means other than raw power. They do not respond, at least in the short run, to either gentle kindness or any form of spiritual persuasion with which I am familiar".
Posted by: dumbledoresarmy at February 1, 2008 4:06 PM
Sad sad, how long is this madness going to continue?
The only American candidate for the presidency with an understanding of the problems, Tom Tancredo, has dropped out, so what's next? Several years more of suicidal denial of the multi-cultural illusion?
I like T.T.'s views, here's an interview with him where he's allowed to explain his views in-depth:
I wonder if he has had some sort of impact on the discussion in the US anyway. I hope so.
Posted by: seville844 at February 1, 2008 4:15 PM
"These stories are so full of shit."
Spoken by someone who thinks that all JW posters and Robert himself is "full of shit". Thesaracen recently stated that we are all full of it, and he doesn't believe that there is anything wrong with Islam; so of course he's skeptical about this particular story, since he states that about every headline posted on JW. Nothing new here.
Tell us thesaracen - name but one headline ever posted on JW that you believe was true - just one.
Posted by: champ at February 1, 2008 4:21 PM
"Several years more of suicidal denial of the multi-cultural illusion?"
Several years more? That's more time than I thought we had.
Did you read the link Borg pointed to? Germans who speak out against the "multi-cultural illusion" are denigrated as xenophobes. One lawmaker stands to lose his bid for reelection because of this.
Tom Tancredo was likewise either vilified or ignored by the American MSM.
at February 1, 2008 4:36 PM
seville844,
Interesting. Tancredo was marginalized by the media in the U.S. He sounds so reasonable if you let him speak for a minute or two, so they didn't. I'd hoped to vote for him but he dropped out before I could. I've always been a believer in the protest vote, but only if they're actually still running.
Posted by: Beagle at February 1, 2008 4:38 PM
Simple case of the spiritually disabled taking advantage of the mentally disabled.
Posted by: rational at February 1, 2008 4:46 PM
This story here is a real concern, don't you think?
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=1A0A844D-0F59-40E5-8284-3DD1748F9048
Posted by: MusHuntCowboy at February 1, 2008 5:16 PM
"the problem of the great Virgin Shortage in Paradise"
As I've posted before, I believe there are only 72 virgins total in Paradise. The martyrs have to wait their turn. At present, it's about 11000 years before you get your first one. While waiting, you can watch "I Love Lucy" re-runs or play Freecell.
at February 1, 2008 5:24 PM
How does one further tarnish the image of islam?
As if most of them are concerned with their image anyway. Reminds me of the old limbo dance refrain..." How low can you go..?"
at February 1, 2008 5:50 PM
HOW can they use the term "suicide bomber" for people who are blown up remotely???? Mentally disabled or not... that is not *suicide" - that is murder & human sacrifice. I have often wondered how many of the so-called "suicide" bombers really were fully in personal control of the decision to do that. I think many, at least, are not, either through outright force or extreme coercion, and maybe chemical influence as well. Disgusting, and I do NOT want to live under such folks!!! Can we PLEASE keep them away?!?
Posted by: thatisall at February 1, 2008 6:05 PM
I was not fooled one moment by the Saracens earlier posts. He came off as such a reasonable person interested in rational discourse... in revealing the "truth" about Islam. Now, when this horrific act is carried out by his brothers, he is immediately reduced to cussing and demeaning those that report the story. No reason...no logic, just emotion and vitriol. How very typical of the radical Islamist. (And a lot of lefties as well.)
He is a radical. He comes here in the guise of a rational human being seeking discourse and enlightenment.
In truth he is no better than the animals that perpetrated this heinous act. His defense of this atrocity makes that clear.
His real purpose here is to further the Global Jihad. He attempts to cover his fellow Jihadis behinds by claiming that anything that puts Islam in a bad light is just part of a conspiracy, or the work of anti-Islamists. (Isn't that what the Brits call Jihadis now?)
He and Naseem are at war with the free world...at war with us.
They are both part of the propaganda machine that defends the religion of death. When will they realize that we will fight this creeping cancer with every weapon at our disposal until it is dead dead dead? The only hope for Islam is change. Muslims the world over must rid themselves of these animals and stop practicing the murderous parts of their Koran. I fear this will not happen. None of those in power now will give up their right to dispense death and pain in the name of Allah. Islam is the perfect vehicle for those who seek power. It is not a religion...it is a form of government disguised as a religion...and it will fail...as all fascist dictatorships have. It's a shame that millions of Muslims must die in the process...simply for closing their minds and trusting their "religious" leaders. Remember Jim Jones? Stop...don't drink the Kool-aid. I implore Muslims to think for themselves and live, or drown in the blood of Islam. It's their choice.
at February 1, 2008 6:36 PM
oh goodness. Is there nothing these murderers won't do to honor their god allah?
God have mercy on us all.
Posted by: Crusader at February 1, 2008 6:43 PM
PMK: " Did you read the link Borg pointed to? Germans who speak out against the "multi-cultural illusion" are denigrated as xenophobes."
I did. Yeah, that's the general problem, peopel are labelled as xenophobes. But I think that at some point Islamofascism will be too obvious for peopel to ignore.
Posted by: seville844 at February 1, 2008 7:19 PM
Beagle - behind in science!!! Ok then mate if you say so.
Alaskan- wow!!! You would make a shit critic. You don't have a clue what you just read.
Global Jihad, another one of those terms that have come out of nowhere since 9/11. What the hell is global jihad? 'Global striving', that doesn't sound right does it?
I mean look at yourselves. I say a few words questioning a report and you're ready to kill me. But when muslims express their anger at having to accept some bastards drawing cartoons of our Prophet pbuh it's not the same thing. Naseem ain't a muslim, he's in you're camp disguised as a muslim.
It wouldn't matter if they were muslim, 'jihadis', peace-loving muslims, moderate muslims... anything that has an association with Islam you will hate. So stop lying to yourselves.
champ- there are a some I can't deny. There are those however which attack Islam, hundreds of them and they are bullshit I could refute them right now. All that shit about dominance, and forced conversions and woman, jihad, honour killings, bollocks, has nothing to do with Islam.
Posted by: thesaracen at February 1, 2008 7:32 PM
"No need for Naseem to post; we can generate a Naseem post ourselves:
Assalamau Laikum all,
yes, this is sad day when two womens, even retardeds, have to kill so many peoples, but it could be said they were push by Bush to do it. As you know I am Ahmadi and we do not believe the Deen is advanced this way. If you kuffr will stop focssing on the negative and look to the positive in Islam, the true Tawheed and Wudud and not the desperate measures of these sad womens, you will see the light as Wuslims
and Allah Tall'ah knows best"
Posted by: Naseem
---------------------------------------------
We have a real compassionate person here (sarcasm). First Naseem says "two womens, even the retardeds" in a way that shows contempt for both women and the mentally handicapped.
Naseem seems to blame this on Bush, and not the degenerates that took advantage of these women in the most horrible way possible. These women were turned into killers, and most likely did not have the mental capacity to be held responsible for their actions.
After you try to pathetically shift the blame, you tell us to overlook the negative. Now why on earth should we overlook such brutal atrocities just because you can't intellectually justify them to us? Do you think we are that gullible? Are you really that deluded? Or are you just that arrogant?
Posted by: sh217 at February 1, 2008 7:38 PM
Wow, I was so angry when I read this story, I missed the part where Naseem didn't actually right that.
Posted by: sh217 at February 1, 2008 7:42 PM
"write"
Posted by: sh217 at February 1, 2008 7:43 PM
"If you kuffr will stop focssing on the negative and look to the positive in Islam, the true Tawheed and Wudud and not the desperate measures of these sad womens, you will see the light as Wuslims"
OK, since I'm particularly fond of beheading apostates, I'll mention it as a positive.
at February 1, 2008 8:08 PM
Re: Saracen's comments, from what I've read of methods of suicide bombings, apparently if these poor women were wearing the very common "vest" type of bombs, these tend to leave the wearer's head intact. (I recall reading that the female suicide bomber who killed Rajiv Gandhi several years ago was identified by her intact face, though I may be getting that mixed up with the suicide-bombing assassination of a different public figure.)
So, if these poor women were forced or "encouraged" to don explosive vests, it is very possible that their heads remained intact after the blast--and people with Down syndrome are easily identifiable by their facial features.
Posted by: kaffirchick at February 1, 2008 8:23 PM
kaffirchick,
That's true. Amazing the things I've learned from Islamic science about removing body parts.
Posted by: Beagle at February 1, 2008 8:30 PM
But the article never said they had downs syndrome. It just said they were mentally disabled.
How is the person who reported the story supposed to know they were mentally disabled? More to the point how does he know the bombs were remotely detonated? Was he there?
The whole point of the matter is that these actions are not the actions of a muslim. How can you go to a market and take the lives of 64 people as well as you're own and say thats what god instructed you to do? Allah swt is the most just and knows what you and I don't know.
Posted by: thesaracen at February 1, 2008 8:43 PM
These are not humans. Can't be.
at February 1, 2008 8:49 PM
thesaracen -
Is that Allah Sweater And Tie?
Read the Qur'an and you will find all sorts of justification for the actions you describe.
If you're supposed to kill the infidels until the very stones and trees cry out that there is a Jew hiding behind them, then anything goes.
Posted by: tanstaafl at February 1, 2008 8:56 PM
"Allah swt is the most just and knows what you and I don't know."
And I thought Allah was the invisible sock puppet invented to fulfill the insatiable lusts and ambitions of the madman Mohammad.
Don't I feel stupid.
Posted by: Concerned Citizen at February 1, 2008 9:02 PM
"I've always been a believer in the protest vote, but only if they're actually still running."
by beagle
I agree. I could type in Tancredo's name but he lost my vote when he dropped out. That leaves Ron Paul. Not that I agree with everything the man says, but I have never agreed with everything any candidate said.
People go nuts when he says he wants to bring home all of our soldiers and all I can ask is: why not? Let al qaeda think it won a victory. The people of that area will get nothing less than they deserve: Islamic tyranny. Why must the US bankrupt itself to prevent al qaeda from winning? There are lots of other countries with the means to fight it. Let them contribute. They're welcome anytime.
at February 1, 2008 9:03 PM
The whole point of the matter is that these actions are not the actions of a muslim. How can you go to a market and take the lives of 64 people as well as you're own and say thats what god instructed you to do? Allah swt is the most just and knows what you and I don't know.
thesaracen,
So what are they? The misguided? What are they being told in the mosque? Did you hear anything good today?
And BTW it's "your" own. "you're" is the contraction for "you are".
Posted by: PMK at February 1, 2008 9:06 PM
Obviously, Naseem, you are completely ignorant about mentally disabled people. As a mom of a special needs child I assure you these women had no way to understand what they were doing and were simply trusting these heinous Muslims who put these explosives on them. One would hope that Islam will be the last religion of human sacrifice. I am completely outaged and disgusted by this latest display of the religion of violence...Islam which has a so called god who demands continual human sacrifice of men, women and children.
Posted by: Abby at February 1, 2008 9:11 PM
(psst! Naseem didn't really write that. It was parody.)
Posted by: Concerned Citizen at February 1, 2008 9:17 PM
“Nothing to do with Islam.”
They were selling dogs.
The Grand Ayatollah Sayyid Ali Husayni Sistani has been very clear on the najis status of dogs to the peoples of Iraq. His opinions are founded in the Hadith.
"The Prophet cursed the lady who practices tattooing and the one who gets herself tattooed, and one who eats (takes) Riba' (usury) and the one who gives it. And he prohibited taking the price of a dog, and the money earned by prostitution, and cursed the makers of pictures."
-Hadith Volume 7, Book 63, Number 259
Rules are rules.
at February 1, 2008 9:21 PM
Cantor did a good job writing that comment by 'Naseem', as it sounds just like something she would state.
Posted by: champ at February 1, 2008 9:27 PM
thesaracen,
Of the hundreds of market, mosque, hospital, and school bombings carried out by Muslims, none were carried out by Muslims?
It's a river called denial.
With so much deception in one religion, one might think a great deceiver was involved, were one so inclined to think that way.
Posted by: Beagle at February 1, 2008 9:28 PM
This bombing is a sad reflection on islam as it practicers will never to stoop low to bring death. And upon watching the nightly news on regular T.V. there, was no mention of the disabilities of these women. Just that the bombers were women. Islam what a cult of death it is, and it's here in America!
Posted by: AMartinez at February 1, 2008 9:36 PM
"Iraqi security: Female suicide bombers were mentally disabled; bombs detonated remotely"
If these women were mentally disabled, it's my guess they could no longer function as slaves of their Muslim husbands.
Find their husbands, and you'll find the remote controls.
at February 1, 2008 9:55 PM
The whole point of the matter is that these actions are not the actions of a muslim. How can you go to a market and take the lives of 64 people as well as you're own and say thats what god instructed you to do? Allah swt is the most just and knows what you and I don't know.
thesaracen,
That's not very convincing.
You complain about those here accepting flimsy evidence, and then you, without a shred of evidence to the contrary, make a flat out statement that muslims had no part in it. How do you know that? A direct pipeline to Allah, and he told you? Don't tell other muslims you talk to Allah, only Amahdinijad, the Beasty Boy of Iran, is allowed to do that.
Why did you capitalize Allah and not capitalize god?
Posted by: duh_swami at February 1, 2008 10:25 PM
Cantor wrote:
"No need for Naseem to post; we can generate a Naseem post ourselves:
Assalamau Laikum all,
yes, this is sad day when two womens, even retardeds, have to kill so many peoples, but it could be said they were push by Bush to do it. As you know I am Ahmadi and we do not believe the Deen is advanced this way. If you kuffr will stop focssing on the negative and look to the positive in Islam, the true Tawheed and Wudud and not the desperate measures of these sad womens, you will see the light as Wuslims
and Allah Tall'ah knows best"
Posted by: Naseem
Brilliant comic relief.
Posted by: Kafir Nonbeliever at February 1, 2008 10:31 PM
Even Hitler, at his very psychopathic lowest, wasn't this bestially low.
Islam: taking monstrous fascism to new depths.
Posted by: profitsbeard at February 1, 2008 11:13 PM
Hey Kafir N, I'd vager even Naseem snickered alittle. But just for a sec cause humor is the kafirs way of leading the muslimas astray.
Posted by: AMartinez at February 1, 2008 11:21 PM
I guess you all haven't heard.This wasn't a bombing,this was....
The Islamic Special Olympics!!!
at February 1, 2008 11:50 PM
'How can you go to a market and take the lives of 64 people as well as you're own and say thats what god instructed you to do.'
Apparently, it's not so hard. It's done.
And, you are just an ignorant ass, with no concept of your own dogma. Go away. You bother me.
Posted by: breezy55 at February 1, 2008 11:59 PM
It was remotely detonated, because...
a Jew pushed the button!
Yeah, that's the ticket.
Just like 9/11. The Jews did it, but, oh yeah, it was great anyway.
Posted by: Mr. Slugworth at February 2, 2008 12:07 AM
BTW Regulars,
As I mentioned recently when the guy fell down the stairs and blew him self up. We shouldn't joke about this stuff. We should educate, not laugh at death. We can show we are better than them.
Posted by: jt at February 2, 2008 12:16 AM
Cantor was almost perfect, except for the fact that Naseem tends to use Urdu, rather than Arabic terminology, and therefore may not have used terms such as 'Tawheed' and 'Wudud'. Other than that, it was brilliant, given how sh217 and Abby totally fell for it.
Too bad we can't reward him with his deserved share of wild slutty womens ;-)
Posted by: Infidel Pride at February 2, 2008 12:17 AM
"Female suicide bombers were mentally disabled; bombs detonated remotely"
Wasn't our very own Naseem, per chance?
Posted by: ewha1 at February 2, 2008 1:10 AM
"...given how sh217 and Abby totally fell for it."
got Punk'd!
at February 2, 2008 1:24 AM
This terror attack may have the bigger picture in mind. To let our new, self promoted, RINO "leader" want to be, that THEY can squash him like a bug, whenever thay wish.
Unless he threatens, as our new "leader", more troops, the draft, or conscription, and a longer stay in Iraq of course.
Keep watching John Mac, our new "leader".
Posted by: Islofob IS-1 at February 2, 2008 2:00 AM
A is A. The unimpeachable logic promulgated by Aristotle applies here. Despite whatever may be said in denial..facts are facts. The fact here is that no matter how horrific the act performed in the name of Allah.. there will be apologists. Why? These apologists count on the fact that most people will be unable to determine the underlying premise behind both the attacks and the excuses for them. Where can this lead? Read 'The Ominous Parallels' by Leonard Peikoff written around 1980. Where do I think it will lead? Where do I pray this will lead as a Christian? These abominable acts will lead ala Malcolm Gladwell to a much quicker 'Tipping Point.' where Satan is vanquished sooner rather than later. Incidentally, as a relevant aside for Christians who are paralyzed to inaction due to 'Turn the other Cheek', Jesus also said 'Render to God what is God's and Render unto Caesar what is Caesars'.That means governments and freedom loving people need to vanquish this evil philosophy now! Also it is a moral imperative to use one's mind in dealing with earthly matters with great clarity such as Ayn Rand articulated.After all, the stunning intellects (except maybe thesaracen) on jihadwatch.org give me great hope that modern-day 'Paul Reveres' will utilize the neural network of the Internet to awaken a sleeping populace from the slumber of the mind-numbing irrational actions and statements of the 'A is not A' jihadist and sharia law thugs. Robert Spencer, in particular, hearing you on Michael Savage and reading your posts daily for months now gives me deep inspiration and optimism about the future. Thank you so much for giving me and millions hope during these troubled times!
Posted by: ayn.randian.christian at February 2, 2008 2:02 AM
Don't forget, Naseem likes to use the term, 'wild slutty womans'. It's a mental thing really...
Posted by: duh_swami at February 2, 2008 2:04 AM
ayn.randian.christian
I could give you a thousand reasons why A is not A, but I can't think of any right now. But just because I can't think of any does not mean they do not exist...somewhere. I have been collecting these for years, I am up to Q is not Q, but somehow I misplaced my collection.
Seriously though I am sure Robert will appriciate this comment:
Posted by: duh_swami at February 2, 2008 2:20 AM
Gadzooks I hit the send button before I was done composing. It's advancing old age and years of tofu...Here's the comment I think RS will appreciate: "Robert Spencer, in particular, hearing you on Michael Savage and reading your posts daily for months now gives me deep inspiration and optimism about the future. Thank you so much for giving me and millions hope during these troubled times".
at February 2, 2008 2:24 AM
Sick, the two women had Down's syndrome.
Posted by: Silly Allah at February 2, 2008 3:09 AM
Sorry OT, but jihad related:
For all you Arabic speaking Jihad Watchers: this was posted on my website earlier, just wondering if anybody could translate it for me:
آیتالله سید علی حسینی خامنه | 23deltaatiullah@hotmail.com | IP: 24.10.190.105
عشية أيام عشرة الفجر وذكرى عودة الإمام الخميني التاريخية للوطن الإسلامي، زار سماحة آية الله العظمى الإمام الخامنئي صباح يوم الخميس 31 /1 /2008 م المرقد الطاهر للإمام الخميني الراحل (رض) في جنوب طهران، وحيى المقام الشامخ لمؤسس الجمهورية الإسلامية، وأحيى ذكراه الخالدة بقراءة الفاتحة على روحه الطاهرة.
ثم زار سماحته أضرحة شهداء السابع من تير (28 حزيران) وسائر الشهداء سائلا لهم من الله علو الدرجا
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at February 2, 2008 3:34 AM
Sheikh
I don't know Arabic, but using Google's translater, this is what I get, whatever it means
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Aitallh Seyed Ali Hosseini Khamnh | 23deltaatiullah@hotmail.com | IP: 24.10.190.105
Ten days eve of the anniversary of the return of Dawn and Imam Khomeini's historic homeland of the Muslim, visited Ayatollah Khamenei forward on the morning of Thursday 31 / 1 / 2008 m below Taher of the late Khomeini (MNA) in the south of Tehran, and above all shy Shamikh founder of the Islamic Republic, and salute his memory eternal Read the spirit of pure light.
His Eminence then visited shrines Martyrs VII of the Terre (28 June) and other martyrs of them and asked God altitude stairs
at February 2, 2008 3:48 AM
thesaracen
Thank you for proving my point. I LMAO when I read your post. Keep up the good work.
at February 2, 2008 4:27 AM
Thanks mate,
Not much I can do with it, seems to be unrelated to the thread...
Posted by: sheik yer'mami at February 2, 2008 4:29 AM
jt
Yer comment regarding uh..not making fun of the doofs that fall down stairs on the way to a bombing... I was kinda like you at one time, when I was first getting acquainted with Islam. Let's be civil and "better than them." When these slimebags go around blowing up innocents, it aint hard to be better than them. Anything we can do to properly ridicule them and bring to light the fact that they are foolish and clumsy is a good thing. Humor is a good thing when properly applied. Others have stated this far better than I. Perhaps it will be stated again, or maybe someone out there may have a better memory than I.
at February 2, 2008 4:43 AM
Islamic Special Olympics?
I really have no sympathy for these weak, compliant people and reserve the right to ridicule them for not rising up and destroying the animals that dwell in their villages, towns, & cities. They know who they are, yet they do nothing.
Pull out our troops. Now!
Posted by: Bingo at February 2, 2008 6:22 AM
The Nazis killed the mentally disabled, a tradition the Islamofascists continue.
However, even Hitler liked animals and was a vegetarian.
Combining abuse of the disabled, murder and animal cruelty in one operation! There's a perverse beauty in it.
at February 2, 2008 6:36 AM
Thesaracen said,
"There are those however which attack Islam, hundreds of them and they are bullshit I could refute them right now. All that shit about dominance, and forced conversions and woman, jihad, honour killings, bollocks, has nothing to do with Islam."
and
"The whole point of the matter is that these actions are not the actions of a muslim. How can you go to a market and take the lives of 64 people as well as you're own and say thats what god instructed you to do? Allah swt is the most just and knows what you and I don't know."
So who commits these atrocities, then?
Space aliens?
at February 2, 2008 7:44 AM
"designed to tarnish the image of Islam," --posted way above
Excuse me, Islam has been tarnished since the 7th century. It's always done a super job tarnishing itself, and continues to do so.
Posted by: darcy at February 2, 2008 7:49 AM
So who commits these atrocities, then?
Space aliens?
Posted by: ImNoDhimmi at February 2, 2008 7:44 AM
No, Mohammedans.
thesaracen's denial is both risible and ludicrous.
Posted by: darcy at February 2, 2008 8:28 AM
"Sad sad, how long is this madness going to continue?" posted by seville844
Yes, this pandering to Barbarians is not only madness, it's suicidal. I cannot believe the America I live in.
Posted by: darcy at February 2, 2008 8:33 AM
I see the use of tardos as weapons by Moslem activists to be sacramental. After all, Islam stupefies. Ever had an intelligent conversation with a Moslem? Think about it.
Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer at February 2, 2008 8:34 AM
Jewdog"There's a perverse beauty in it."
Har di har, now there's something. I was going to post something about the imagination of our Islamic brethren. You know, let's say you really want to kill someone, so how do you do it? Really, that's a valid question. Shoot him in the head? Perhaps, but a tad overused. A bomb? WOW! Close, but still not exactly pushing back the so-called envelope.
"Hey, lets get some mental Muslim women, stuff some TNT in their knickers, and then, when they're off to recharge their vibrator batteries, or whatever, press the red button."
Come on, that's creative. Don't deny it.
INFIDEL CREATIVITY
Mozart
Bach
Beethoven
Debussy
Faure
Ravel
MUSLIM CREATIVITY
Some guy gets a div, stuffs her bra full of semtex then sends her into a marketplace. Presses button. BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM
at February 2, 2008 8:35 AM
I have said before that Humor is a sign of intelligence. Since Islam has no humor, it probably is the best thing to fight it with. Islam has no defence against it.
Name me a Muslim that has a sense of humor.
Posted by: credit man at February 2, 2008 9:39 AM
The truth about Islam:
Someone publishes a cartoon with a picture of the founder of Islam.
Muslims fill the streets, make death threats, worldwide outrage on the Muslim street, riot, destroy property.
Muslims strap bombs on 2 Muslim women with Downs Syndrome who had no idea what was going on, who should have been protected and cared for, send them into a market and detonate the bombs blowing them up and injuring and killing others.
Muslims are silent.
Any questions?
Posted by: Abby at February 2, 2008 10:43 AM
In their coverage of this story, the Los Angeles Times labored to dispute the claim that the explosives were carried into the jammed market by two women with Down syndrome and were detonated remotely. "No proof," the article concludes.
The Times also tried to foist off on its readers the year's most inane excuse for terrorism: "People can only take [a lack of security] so much, and sooner or later they will decide they have had enough and revert back to violence," you quote a Baghdad accountant. So, the good citizens of Baghdad are blowing up people in marketplaces as a protest against a lack of security!
No wonder people have stopped reading the Mind Screen Media.
Posted by: Chris at February 2, 2008 11:24 AM
This is an interesting development. Previous studies of suicide bombers have all indicated that they are usually better off socially and economically than those around them so this may mark a new trend in the phenomenon. It will be interesting to see if the jihadist community accepts this new development and uses this as a new tactic or if it creates revulsion within the community. Anyone out there read any Arabic message boards or anything and know what the hardcore Islamic reaction is? Has some cleric given the go ahead for the use of mentally disabled suicide bombers, and if so who? This story really raises a few questions and it will take some time to see how it plays out.
Posted by: BangkokBill at February 2, 2008 11:25 AM
Christians strap remote-control bombs onto mentally retarded women and then detonate them all the time. So do Buddhists and Jews. It is even more common among Hindus and Zoroastrians.
Everyone blows up retarded women by remote control. We are all the same. All religions teach the same values. All people want the same things.
Posted by: special_guest at February 2, 2008 11:50 AM
BangkokBill said
It will be interesting to see if the jihadist community accepts this new development and uses this as a new tactic or if it creates revulsion within the community.
I'm not a betting man, but I'd bet my house and car that we won't see protests of revulsion at this "new tactic".
As Hugh pointed out, it's not new. They've used mentally retarded people and women and children to carry their bombs, and then blown them up. They've hidden explosives in baby carriages, wooden legs on amputees, in UN vehicles, and in ambulances. Different sects of Muslims target each others' holy holy mosques and religious festivals with bombs. They behead screaming victims like they were sawing a 2x4.
We won't hear a single peep of a protest over this in the Muslim community. Not one word. Bet on it.
Posted by: special_guest at February 2, 2008 12:00 PM
All that shit about dominance, and forced conversions and woman, jihad, honour killings, bollocks, has nothing to do with Islam.
Posted by: thesaracen "
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Dominance:
"The goal of existence, according to the Qur’an, is a struggle for Islamic domination by any means – including deceit and terror, which were both practiced by Muhammad. The world must submit to Allah. There is no other point to life, and this explains the near absence of cultural and technological innovation on the part of Muslims in history, who merely borrowed from the hapless souls they conquered. Knowledge outside of religious teachings is not encouraged, except as it contributes to Islamic goals."
...force conversions:
"Islamic law forbids forced conversion, but in Islamic history this law has all too often been honored in the breach. More significantly, Islamic law regarding the presentation of Islam to non-Muslims manifests a quite different understanding of what constitutes freedom from coercion and freedom of conscience from that which prevails among non-Muslims. Muhammad instructed his followers to call people to Islam before waging war against them – the warfare would follow from their refusal to accept Islam or to enter the Islamic social order as inferiors, required to pay a special tax:
Fight in the name of Allah and in the way of Allah. Fight against those who disbelieve in Allah. Make a holy war…When you meet your enemies who are polytheists, invite them to three courses of action. If they respond to any one of these, you also accept it and withhold yourself from doing them any harm. Invite them to (accept) Islam; if they respond to you, accept it from them and desist from fighting against them….If they refuse to accept Islam, demand from them the Jizya [the tax on non-Muslims specified in Qur’an 9:29]. If they agree to pay, accept it from them and hold off your hands. If they refuse to pay the tax, seek Allah’s help and fight them. (Sahih Muslim 4294)
There is therefore an inescapable threat in this “invitation” to accept Islam. Would one who converted to Islam under the threat of war be considered to have converted under duress? By non-Muslim standards, yes, but not according to the view of this Islamic tradition. From the standpoint of the traditional schools of Islamic jurisprudence such a conversion would have resulted from “no compulsion.”
Muhammad reinforced these instructions on many occasions during his prophetic career. Late in his career, he wrote to Heraclius, the Eastern Roman Emperor in Constantinople:
Now then, I invite you to Islam (i.e., surrender to Allah), embrace Islam and you will be safe; embrace Islam and Allah will bestow on you a double reward. But if you reject this invitation of Islam, you shall be responsible for misguiding the peasants (i.e., your nation). (Bukhari, 4.52.191).
Heraclius did not accept Islam, and soon the Byzantines would know well that the warriors of jihad indeed granted no safety to those who rejected their “invitation.”
Muhammad did not limit his veiled threat only to rulers. Another hadith records that on one occasion he emerged from a mosque and told his men, “Let us go to the Jews.” Upon arriving at a nearby Arabian Jewish community, Muhammad told them: “If you embrace Islam, you will be safe. You should know that the earth belongs to Allah and His Apostle, and I want to expel you from this land. So, if anyone amongst you owns some property, he is permitted to sell it, otherwise you should know that the Earth belongs to Allah and His Apostle” (Bukhari, 4.53.392). In other words, if you accept Islam, you may keep your land and property, but if not, Muhammad and the Muslims would confiscate it.
Would someone who converted in the face of such a threat be considered to have been forced by Islamic jurists? No – and therein lies the reason why the conversions of Centanni and Wiig could be presented by their captors as uncoerced, in the teeth of the evidence.
This, too, has a foundation in the Qur’an. Sura 9:29 says: “Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book [that is, Jews and Christians], until they pay the Jizya [a special tax levied only on non-Muslims] with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.” This verse does not force conversion, but it did in Islamic history become the foundation of an elaborate legal system, the dhimma (to which Akyol refers). This system ensured that non-Muslims would “feel themselves subdued” by mandating a series of humiliating and discriminatory regulations that institutionalized second-class status for non-Muslims in Islamic societies. As the schools of Islamic jurisprudence developed, they constructed upon various ahadith and passages of the Qur’an a legal structure for the treatment of non-Muslims.
The features of this remained remarkably consistent across the centuries, and among all the legal schools. Consider the contemporary Saudi Sheikh Marzouq Salem Al-Ghamdi, who several years ago explained in a sermon the terms in which an Islamic society should tolerate the presence of non-Muslims in its midst:
If the infidels live among the Muslims, in accordance with the conditions set out by the Prophet — there is nothing wrong with it provided they pay Jizya to the Islamic treasury. Other conditions are . . . that they do not renovate a church or a monastery, do not rebuild ones that were destroyed, that they feed for three days any Muslim who passes by their homes . . . that they rise when a Muslim wishes to sit, that they do not imitate Muslims in dress and speech, nor ride horses, nor own swords, nor arm themselves with any kind of weapon; that they do not sell wine, do not show the cross, do not ring church bells, do not raise their voices during prayer, that they shave their hair in front so as to make them easily identifiable, do not incite anyone against the Muslims, and do not strike a Muslim….If they violate these conditions, they have no protection.[i]
In this the Sheikh is merely repeating the classic terms of Islamic jurisprudence for the treatment of non-Muslims in Islamic societies – and he explicitly links these terms to Muhammad’s example. The second-class status for Christians and Jews, mandated by Qur’an 9:29’s stipulation that they “feel themselves subdued,” was first fully articulated by Muhammad’s lieutenant Umar during his caliphate (634 to 644), in
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