Good night Eurabia!

Posted by: Crusader at February 4, 2008 8:11 AM

The informant is said to have told police that pairs of suicide bombers planned to strap explosives to their bodies and blow themselves up on the rail and bus networks in Britain, France, Germany and Portugal.

Afonso Henriques kicked the moon worshippers away from our nation around 1000 years ago, but it seems they are back, and with explosives.

Afonso Henriques and his successors, aided by military monastic orders, pushed southward to drive out the Moors, as the size of Portugal covered about half of its present area. In 1249, this Reconquista ended with the capture of the Algarve on the southern coast, giving Portugal its present day borders, with minor exceptions.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portugal#History

Posted by: Crusader at February 4, 2008 8:19 AM

The Eurabiasian Universality is Cloudcuckooland.

Posted by: John C at February 4, 2008 8:21 AM

...Ban Muslim Immigration and place an Immediate ban on Travel to and from Muslim Lands....

Posted by: exsgtbrown at February 4, 2008 8:24 AM

Glad to see the intelligence services doing their job.

They can shove their insha-whatever where it fits..

Posted by: payingattention at February 4, 2008 8:29 AM

Nothings changed, it's the long, long, long, long ,long ,long , long, war, dontchaknow! This is the first conflict in history where the most powerful side decided it wanted to have, for reasons unknown, a neverending fight with a pissant terrorist ideology it could wipe out in a week or two (at least on the home front anyway).

I'm sorry to be part of the clueless generation, I didn't want to be, but I guess I am.

Posted by: savitch at February 4, 2008 8:35 AM

Savitch - the war has been going on for about 1400 years.

We are fighting an ideology and a culture that separates the world into two parts. Muslims vs Infidels. I don't know about you, but I refuse to submit.

Posted by: tanstaafl at February 4, 2008 8:39 AM

Why do you suppose there even were "militaristic monastic orders"?

I'm guessing it finally got through to people that islam, making inroads into Europe for centuries at the point, that islam wasn't going away.

Perhaps it's time to reestablish those monastic orders! It's a shame Europe has done away with Christianity as well; it may be the only thing that can stave off islam. Multiculturalism sure ain't gonna do the trick.

Posted by: eve_anne_gelical at February 4, 2008 8:52 AM

"Soon after the arrests MI5’s Centre for the Protection of National Infra-structure warned of a possible terrorist attack on bridges, tunnels and the Channel tunnel. [...]"

...things which Muslims had little to do with the design, construction, or maintenance of....these things benefit the societies of those countries where they are located...and as we know Muslims are anti-social and quite willing to create mayhem and destruction upon sane societies....

it is imperative...Ban Muslim Immigration...

Posted by: exsgtbrown at February 4, 2008 8:57 AM

"What do you want from us?" - said the human

"I want you do die" - responded the martian invader, as he began to massacre everyone...

Crusader, the thing is, leftist appeasers blame Bush, Zionism and the Azores conference for this. They don't understand that long before the Azores, Bin Laden was already talking about Al-Andaluz.

I already wrote an online letter to the newspaper Público exposing their faulty reasoning.

The Socialists helped to place Komeini in power. Their prize? After the Shah was out of the picture, they were next.

Posted by: cruzado at February 4, 2008 9:22 AM

Will the west be won without it firing a shot back?

Posted by: David England at February 4, 2008 9:29 AM

"The cell is alleged to have planned to detonate suicide bombs on the Barcelona Metro."

"... blow themselves up on the rail and bus networks in Britain, France, Germany and Portugal."

The Spanish left Iraq, didn't they? Didn't buy them much "good will" on the part of Muslims, did it? The French never went in and they vehemently opposed the US-led operation. That doesn't seem to matter to the Muslims.

The scary thing is that a Tory MP is the one trying to issue the warning to Britain of what it faces. Where is Gordon Brown? Where is his defense team? Busy misunderstanding Islam, I guess. Is he trying to buy "peace in our time"? It smacks of Chamberlain vs Churchill.

It's fine that law enforcement broke up this one plot but as long as we treat this as no more than a criminal matter (arson, bombings, conspiracy etc.) we will remain on the defensive. We'll be hoping against hope that "the big one" doesn't slip by us. It's time to recognize that our adversary is at war with us .

Posted by: PMK at February 4, 2008 9:41 AM

Errata: I wrote a letter exposing the faulty reasoning of the leftists, not of the paper. They are actually doing a good job.

Posted by: cruzado at February 4, 2008 9:41 AM

Insane to watch Eurabia die in its sleep like that. It's like a car wreck; you can't look away. In depth US election coverage at www.darrellepp.com

Posted by: dorothee at February 4, 2008 9:50 AM

xxx

Posted by: HotSpur at February 4, 2008 10:03 AM

"Six Pakistani men"

Not a white convert amongst them?

Posted by: leonthepigfarmer at February 4, 2008 10:10 AM

"The informant is said to have told police that pairs of suicide bombers planned to strap explosives to their bodies and blow themselves up on the rail and bus networks in Britain, France, Germany and Portugal."

The anti-jihad movement is growing in Great Britain.

Looks like the football lads and chavs have found a cause.

http://uba.awardspace.co.uk/index1.html

United British Alliance. An all inclusive organisation of people fed up to the back teeth of sharia in the UK.

Go look at the photos, it's truly heart warming. It looks like a bunch of lads walking to wembley stadium to watch an England game.

Posted by: leonthepigfarmer at February 4, 2008 10:17 AM

IS this related to the AQ announcement on Jan 23rd?

"
I: A complete withdrawal of the British troops from Afghanistan and Iraq
II: To free all Muslim captives from Belmarsh prison, and the foremost of them Shaykh Abu Qatada al-Filistini and Shaykh Abu Hamza al-Misri

If the British government fails to respond to our demands within the last day of March 2008, as they fail to answer to the truce of our Shaykh Usama bin Laden and to the truce of the Emir of Believers Abu Omar al-Baghdadi, then the Martyrdom seekers of the organisation of al-Qaeda in Britain will target all the political leaders especially Tony Blair And Gordan Brown And we will target all Embassies, Crusaders Center And their Interests through out the country, with the help of Allah.

Finally all praise is to Allah

Umar Rabie al-Khalaila
The leader of al-Qaeda in Britain
The organistion of al-Qaeda in Britain
23- January 2008"

Posted by: leonthepigfarmer at February 4, 2008 10:21 AM

Re Leonthepigfarmer;

You describe yet another reason which has tipped the British press over the edge.

I got the distinct impression - that without their direct intervention - Brown and his comrades, may well have ceded to some, if not all of these Islamic demands.

Posted by: Stone Rose at February 4, 2008 10:52 AM

After seeing this post, I did a quick "click-around" of NYTimes, CNN, Fox, MSNBC and CBS. This story is no where to be found. Plenty of Britney, Natalee and Giants victory, but nothing about the single most important issue of our time... No wonder the MSM outlets label Jihadwatch a "hate" site. They hate the fact people come here to be informed!

Posted by: teachingmyown at February 4, 2008 10:56 AM

Leon...Thanks for reminding us that the British public ain't going for Islamic domination and dhimmihood. They may be slow to anger, but when they
reach that level, watch out.
The British police types are doing a good job considering the wet blanket thrown on them by government dhimmi's...

Posted by: duh_swami at February 4, 2008 11:10 AM

Everyone.

Go to the UBA website, gallery 5, pic 10.

Those lads in that pic are what we colloquially refer to as chavs.

They are the wayward youth, the street gangs, the lads who live on hard estates. And the beauty is, they are standing up to Islamic jihadists, marching agaisnt it and getting political. Check out the sites aims, they are a all inclusive organisation, black, white etc and multi-faith.

Watch this space. Britain is not doomed yet.

Posted by: leonthepigfarmer at February 4, 2008 11:37 AM

in World War II, the Japanese were interned and anyone that was unwilling to serve. When drafted they were also interned we are at war with these Muslims in the Middle East and around the world. Perhaps the time has come again to intern the Muslim populations in our countries that do not want to be sent back from where they came

Posted by: sheepdog at February 4, 2008 12:31 PM

And we've been paying for that internment ever since.

Posted by: PMK at February 4, 2008 12:35 PM

This sort of thing is what Americans will probably have to look forward to if the Democrats take the White House in the upcoming election. If you look weak to Islamic leaders, their mujihidin will show up at your doorstep to exterminate you. Eurabia is weak and makes no bones about being so (even condemning America when it makes attempts at defying Islam, pathetically lame as its attempts to date usually have been). It's a wonder Eurabians gotten off so lightly thus far.

The American people SHOULD HAVE LEARNED THEIR LESSON during the 1990s after their military debacle in Somalia and the subsequent rash of attacks on their nation culminating in the 9-11 horrors. We ran, and they came running after us with every weapon in their arsenal.

The real tragedy of it all is that one of these days somebody's homeland will get attacked by Islamic terror so brutally that it NOT be able to recover. Ever.

Cowardice does NOT pay off. Is anyone listening?? Anyone at all?????

Posted by: pythagoras at February 4, 2008 12:47 PM

More than forty years after the camps were closed:

''Yes, the nation was then at war, struggling for its survival,'' said President Ronald Reagan at the White House. ''And it's not for us today to pass judgment upon those who may have made mistakes while engaged in that great struggle. Yet we must recognize that the internment of Japanese-Americans was just that, a mistake.'' More than a mistake, it was a grave violation of civil liberties and a blot on America’s commitment to constitutional rights.

http://www.digitalhistory.uh.edu/learning_history/japanese_internment/internment_menu.cfm

Posted by: PMK at February 4, 2008 12:48 PM

Foxnews has a story that reports this;

One in four Britons don't believe wartime Prime Minister Winston Churchill existed, according to a recent survey.

The survey, by UKTV Gold, also found that Sherlock Holmes was a real person.

Scary.

Posted by: Aunt Bea at February 4, 2008 2:05 PM

"Foxnews has a story that reports this;

One in four Britons don't believe wartime Prime Minister Winston Churchill existed, according to a recent survey.

The survey, by UKTV Gold, also found that Sherlock Holmes was a real person.

Scary.

Posted by: Aunt Bea "

....according to Muslim posters here the Muslim population in Uk is 1 in 4.....perhaps they were polling the Muslim neighborhoods....

When Islam takes over , your history disappears...

Posted by: exsgtbrown at February 4, 2008 2:10 PM

This incident reminds me of something that occurred as I was checking out thereligionofpeace.com the other day: It is high time someone puts together a similar website cataloguing FAILED jihad attempts in the West.

For several reasons.

First, this battle is not just about stopping Jihadists from being successful -- we are engaged in a battle of information and education. It is important that the intention and will of the Jihadists to perform their goal be made evident to all.

Second, the success of western intelligence and enforcement in stopping Jihad attacks can be counterproductive if they serve to reinforce the mistaken tendency of the grassroots citizenry to believe that the jihadist threat is minimal, distant and part of the past, while our governments' responses are overblown and motivated mainly by political considerations. We need a resource like TROP that shows how imminent these attacks are, and how rapidly the threat continues to grow.

Third, the lack of such is currently the hole in our armor. While Jihadwatch does a good job of collecting such stories anecdotally, it is stored as raw data. What we really need is someone to process and analyse that data for general consumption, and as a resource from which policy and education can be informed. While TROP does a fantastic job of keeping track of the death, destruction and injury scoreboard, what is really needed is a preemptive understanding of the threat before it causes such destruction.

It would be interesting (in a morbid way) to see the degree to which Jihadism in the West has progressed over (say) the last 10 years, in the way of bar graphs and charts that reflect meaningful scholarship on real-world data. I think this would have a much bigger effect on policy and public opinion than the scattershot method of simply tossing stories one-by-one into the fray. The statistics and analysis, of course, will need humanizing by actual representative anecdotes -- something along the lines of what they do at TROP, balancing their statistical compilation with excellent direct analysis and news stories.

Maybe the site should be called "wannabejihad.com" or something of the sort.

Posted by: Archimedes2 at February 4, 2008 3:24 PM

Re: teachingmyown's comment that this report seems nowhere to be found in the American MSM....

I've long believed that the vast majority of the media (and people generally) could not care less about *foiled* attacks, no matter how heinous the plots, no matter how many people would potentially have been killed, etc. The thwarted plot involving ten or more airplanes to be highjacked in London (was that last year) was stunning in its scope and in how many victims there would have been, yet because it was (thankfully) foiled at the last minute, everyone seems to have forgotten it.

It's sad and tragic that most people will continue to stick their heads in the stand until there is another successful attack--and even then, it will have to be an attack in which hundreds, if not thousands, are murdered. (It seems the relatively small attacks in Britain--I stress "relatively" in comparison to, say, 9/11--on 7/7 a couple of years ago were forgotten quite quickly.)

Posted by: kaffirchick at February 4, 2008 4:10 PM

kaffirchick,
The idea to hijack ten or more airplanes isn't a new one. As I recall, al Qaeda had a similar plan prior to the millenium to down ten airliners over the Pacific. That was foiled by intelligence or never put in motion, depending on whom you ask. This would make the second such attempt and so it should be noted. Al Qaeda doesn't give up on a plan just because it was stopped once or twice.

A database of "foiled" plots wouldn't be of much use. Too many people would assume it's fake or that we are putting cases in which never had a chance of coming about, in order to make things look worse.

I agree it will take a massive attack for anyone to notice. 9/11 simply raised the bar too high. A hundred deaths here? Fifty deaths there? The cost of living in today's world. That will be the ultimate reaction because we would go bonkers worrying about something we can't control. The real danger to the jihadists is that they overplay their hand and attack too many targets, even small ones. The sheer number and scope of such attacks may drive people to action. Maybe.

Even the Pacific hijacking plot, which could have cost just as many lives as 9/11, wouldn't have measured up, unless those planes were crashed on land for all to see and photograph. A plane on the bottom of the ocean where cameras can't reach doesn't make good television. The inability to retrieve the plane or any of the victims would probably lead to a wide range of conspiracy theories, like the ones that said no one was on the planes crashed into the Twin Towers.

Posted by: PMK at February 4, 2008 4:44 PM

PMK, I must--sadly--agree with all of your points. And thanks for telling us about the earlier plot to down multiple planes; I hadn't realized that.

Posted by: kaffirchick at February 4, 2008 5:07 PM

"The idea to hijack ten or more airplanes isn't a new one. As I recall, al Qaeda had a similar plan prior to the millenium to down ten airliners over the Pacific. " Actually, PMK, was the plot you referred to connected to the terrorist who was stopped at the Canadian border, the guy bound for Los Angeles International Airport with his car full of explosives? If so, then I do recall it.

Posted by: kaffirchick at February 4, 2008 5:10 PM

Here is another example of NO MUSLIM HELP in thrawting an islamic terrorist attack on the west.
Supposedly there are appm. 18 million muslims in Europe and NOT A SINGLE MUSLIM heard or saw anything suspicious in the islamic "community" over there?

There are 1.4 billion muslim terrorists operating in the world today, but eventually 1 unit will get through and kill many people.

The police can not catch everyone since it is impossible and unrealistic. The numbers are against us and when 1 group does its job it will painful and bloody to watch.

Please deport muslims today and relocate the cancer to its homelands still wallowing in the 7th century.

Arrest them on sight!

Posted by: Hungarian Crusader at February 4, 2008 5:16 PM

We are fighting an ideology and a culture that separates the world into two parts. Muslims vs Infidels. I don't know about you, but I refuse to submit. Posted by: tanstaafl

Two parts of the world. I would like that to happen as well. Muslims in their part of the world, and civilised people in our part. Then there is no chance of terrorism from within. Terrorism from abroad is simply war, and we can deal with that very effectively.

Posted by: DP111 at February 4, 2008 6:16 PM

kaffirchick,
the millenium plot was the one you spoke of - the guy set to blow up LAX. The plot to blow up several planes was in the late nineties, apart from the millenium plot.

Posted by: PMK at February 4, 2008 6:39 PM

kaffirchick,

I did some checking and found this site, detailing Moussaoui's trial and the gestation of the 9/11 plot. I had a few details wrong. It says here the idea was to blow up five planes over the Pacific at the same time they flew five planes into US targets, all on 9/11.

By mid-1999, Sheikh Mohammed's plan shifts: he now plans to fly five planes into East Coast targets and explode five other planes bound from Asia for the United States in mid-air above the Pacific Ocean, all about the same time. Sheikh Mohammed sends Moussaoui to Malaysia to receive flight training.

Osama rejected the two-front scenario as impractical. That shouldn't mean he gave up on the idea of destroying planes over the ocean. Here is the site, with the chronology of the plot.

http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/moussaoui/zmchronology.html

Posted by: PMK at February 4, 2008 6:56 PM

kaffirchick,

The first time this idea came up was in 1995, when Khalid Sheikh Mohammed wanted to blow up a dozen planes flying between Asia and the US. It is referred to as the "Manila air conspiracy" in several newspaper articles and in speeches by government officials.

Posted by: PMK at February 4, 2008 7:19 PM

kaffirchick,
Here is a good article on the two plots, from the International Herald Tribune.

Published: THURSDAY, AUGUST 10, 2006

JAKARTA: The plot to blow up several airliners traveling between Britain and the United States uncovered by British authorities bears a striking resemblance to a plot hatched by Qaeda operatives 12 years ago to simultaneously blow up airliners over the Pacific.

That plot was hatched in Manila by Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, who was starting his climb to be a top lieutenant to Osama bin Laden, and Ramzi Ahmed Yousef, who was the mastermind of the 1993 bombing of the World Trade Center. It was financed by bin Laden.

Mohammed code-named the operation "Bojinka," which was widely reported to have been adopted from Serbo-Croatian, meaning "big bang." But Mohammed has told his CIA interrogators that it was just a "nonsense word" he adopted after hearing on the frontlines when he was fighting in Afghanistan during the war against Russia, according to "The 9/11 Commission Report."

The Bojinka plot was anything but nonsense. At an apartment in Manila, Mohammed and Yousef began mixing chemicals, which they planned to put into containers that would be carried on board the airliners, much like what the London plotters are alleged to have been planning.

In those days, it would have been relatively easy to get liquid explosives past a checkpoint. Mohammed and Yousef studied airline schedules and planned to sneak the liquid on a dozen planes headed to Seoul and Hong Kong and then on to the United States.

The plot was thwarted in early 1995 when a fire broke out in the apartment where some of the plotters were working. Among the things found when the police investigated was Yousef's laptop, with a file named "Bojinka." They also found dolls wearing clothes containing nitrocellulose, according to "The 9/11 Commission Report."

Yousef was later captured in Pakistan, sent to the United States, convicted and sentenced to life without parole.

Mohammed has told his interrogators that after the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, which involved explosives loaded onto a truck and which failed to bring down the building, he "needed to graduate to a more novel form of attack," as "The 9/11 Commission Report" puts it. That led to Bojinka and the first thoughts about using planes to bomb the World Trade Center.

http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/08/10/news/pacific.php

Posted by: PMK at February 4, 2008 7:32 PM

kaffirchick

"everyone seems to have forgotten it."

Well yes and no. The people that forgot about it were the British public, who at first condemned British and US foreign policy. The people that haven't forgotten about it is the Muslim community who keep harping on about how they have been victimised and harassed by the police over alleged terror plots.

It's gonna take a nuke or 2 to wake up the west.

Posted by: leonthepigfarmer at February 4, 2008 8:06 PM

PMK, thanks a ton for all the info. Leonthepigfarmer--good point! Indeed, I'm sure the UK Muslims given to accusations of "Islamophobia" have continued to exploit the attack for all its worth.

Posted by: kaffirchick at February 4, 2008 8:14 PM

It's gonna take a nuke or 2 to wake up the west.

Posted by: leonthepigfarmer at February 4, 2008 8:06 PM
--------------------

it appears that it will WMD's and nukes going off before the West wakes up and realize that islam intends on destroying the West and ruling the world with sharia law.

it is when will it happen not if.

Posted by: ??? at February 4, 2008 8:42 PM

Islam is a militant intolerant ideological movement aimed at global theocratic terror state.

How hard is it for that simple declarative sentence to penetrate the skulls of the intelligence services and military minds and political thinkers of the West?

Have they still not read the Koran and Hadiths?

I thought they would have started reading them both on 9/12/2001, and been finished with their dreadful Mohammedan education by Thanksgiving of that year.

But, nearly 6 1/2 years on, they'll still all braindead.

Islam is not the problem, our leaders are.

We have the overwhelming power to crush this madness now.

And don't.

Who's crazier?

Posted by: profitsbeard at February 4, 2008 9:57 PM

Stone Rose -

I'm assuming you're British, and new here? For your benefit I'll post something that 'Hugh Fitzgerald' wrote in November last year; it's worth printing out in bulk and strewing the length and breadth of the country; tack it up on every post and every second tree.

'leon' (if he hasn't already done so) might like to share Hugh's magnificent Twenty-Seven Theses against Islam, or, "I Deplore", with the United British Alliance.

HUGH FITZGERALD – “I DEPLORE…”

I deplore the fact that 1) Muhammad is [regarded by Muslims as] a role-model for all time. Muhammad married Aisha when she was 6 and had sexual intercourse with her when she was 9.
I find it appalling that Muslims consider this act of Muhammad to be that of a man who is in every way a role model, and hence to be emulated.
In particular, I am appalled that virtually the first act of the Ayatollah Khomeini, a very orthodox and learned Shi’a theologian, was to lower the marriageable age of girls in Iran to 9 -- because, of course, it was Aisha’s age when Muhammad had sexual relations with her.

2) I find appalling that Islam provides a kind of Total Regulation of the Universe, so that its adherents are constantly asking for advice as to whether or not, for example, they can have wear their hair in a certain way, grow their beards in a certain way, wish an Infidel a Merry Christmas (absolutely not!).

3) I find appalling the religiously-sanctioned doctrine of taqiyya -- would you like some quotes, sir, about what it is, or would you like to google “taqiyya” and find its sources in the Qur’an?

4) I find appalling many of the acts which Muhammad committed, including his massacre of the Banu Qurayza, his ordering the assassination of many of those he deemed his opponents, even an old man, a woman, or anyone whom, he thought, merely mocked him.

5) I find appalling the hatred expressed throughout the Qur’an, the hadith, and the sira for Infidels -- all Infidels.

6) I find nauseating the imposition of the jizya on Infidels, the requirement that they wear identifying marks on their clothes and dwellings, that they not be able to build or repair houses of worship without the permission of Muslim authorities, that they must ride donkeys sidesaddle and dismount in the presence of Muslims, that they have no legal recourse against Muslims for they are not equal at law -- and a hundred other things, designed to insure their permanent, as the canonical texts say, “humiliation.”

7) I find the mass murder of 60-70 million Hindus, over 250 years of Mughal rule, and the destruction of tens of thousands of artifacts and Hindu (and Buddhist) temples, some of the Hindu ones listed in works by Sita Ram Goel, appalling.

8) I find the 1300-year history of the persecution of the Zoroastrians, some of it continuing to this day, according the great scholar of Zoroastrianism, Mary Boyce, which has led to their reduction to a mere 150,000, something to deplore. There are piquant details in her works, including the deliberate torture and killing of dogs (which are revered by Zoroastrians), even by small Muslim children who are taught to so behave.

9) I find the record of Muslim intellectual achievement lacking, and I attribute this lack to the failure to encourage free and skeptical inquiry, which is necessary for, among other things, the development of modern science.

10) I deplore the prohibition on sculpture or on paintings of living things. I deplore the horrific vandalism and destruction of Christian, Jewish, Zoroastrian, Hindu, and Buddhist sites.

11) I deplore the Muslim jurisprudence which renders all treaties between Infidels and Muslims worthless from the viewpoint of the Infidels, though worth a great deal from the viewpoint of the Muslims, for they are only signing a “hudna,” a truce-treaty rather than a true peace-treaty -- and because they must go to war against the Infidel, or press their Jihad against the Infidel in other ways, on the model of the Treaty of al-Hudaibiyya, no Infidel state or people can ever trust a treaty with Muslims.

12) I deplore the speech of Mahathir Mohammad, so roundly applauded last year, in which he called for the “development” not of human potential, not of art and science, but essentially of weapons technology and the use of harnessing and encouraging Muslim “brain power” for the sole purpose of defeating the Infidels, as a reading of that entire speech makes absolutely clear. Here -- would you like me to read it now for the audience?

13) I deplore the fact that Muslims are taught, and they seem to have taken those teachings to heart, to offer their loyalty only to fellow Muslims, the umma al-islamiyya, and never to Infidels, or to the Infidel nation-state to which they have uttered an oath of allegiance but apparently such an oath must be an act of perjury, because such loyalty is impossible. Am I wrong? Show me exactly what I have misunderstood about Islam.

14) I deplore the ululations of pleasure over acts of terrorism, the delight shown by delighted and celebrating crowds in Cairo, Ramallah, Khartoum, Beirut, Damascus, Baghdad, and of course all over Saudi Arabia, when news of the World Trade Center attacks was known -- and I can, if you wish, supply the reports from those capitals which show this to have taken place. I attribute statements of exultation about the “Infidels” deserving it to the fact that Islamic tenets view the world as a war between the Believers and the Infidels.

15) On that score, I deplore that mad division of the world between Dar al-Islam and dar al-Harb, and the requirement that there be uncompromising hostility between the two, until the final triumph of the former, and the permanent subjugation, and incorporation into it, of the latter.

16) I deplore the sexual inequality and mistreatment of women which I believe I can show has a clear basis in the canonical Islamic texts, and is not simply, pace Ebadi and other quasi-”reformers,” a “cultural” matter.

17) I deplore the fact that Infidels feel, with justice, unsafe in almost every Muslim country, but that Muslims treat the Infidel countries, and their inhabitants, with disdain, arrogance, and endless demands for them to bend, to change, to what Muslims want -- whether it be to remove crucifixes, or change the laws of laicity in France, or to demand that “hate speech” laws be extended in England so as to prevent any serious and sober criticism of Islam.

18) I deplore the emphasis on the collective, and the hatred for the autonomy of the individual [of the person]. In particular, I believe that someone born into Islam has a perfect right to leave Islam if he or she chooses -- and that there should be no punishment, much less the murderous punishment so often inflicted.

19) I find the record of Muslim political despotism to be almost complete -- with the exception of those Muslim countries and regimes that have, as Ataturk did, carried out a series of measures to limit and constrain Islam.

20) I deplore the fact that while Muslims claim it is a “universalist” religion, it has been a vehicle for Arab imperialism, causing those conquered and Islamized in some cases to forget, or become indifferent or even hostile to, their own pre-Islamic histories. The requirement that the Qur’an be read in Arabic (one of the first things Ataturk did was commission a Turkish Qur’an and tafsir, or commentary), and the belief by many Muslims that the ideal form of society can be derived from the Sunna of 7th century Arabia, and that their own societies are worth little, is an imperialism that goes to culture and to history, and is the worst and most complete kind.

21) I deplore the attacks on ex-Muslims who often must live in fear. I deplore the attacks on Theo van Gogh and others, and the absence of serious debate about the nature of Islam and of its reform -- except as a means to further beguile and distract Infidels who are becoming more wary.

22) I deplore the emptiness of the “Tu Quoque” arguments directed at Christians and Jews, based on a disingenuous quotation of passages -- for example, from Leviticus -- that are completely ignored and have not been invoked for two thousand years, and I deplore the rewriting of history so that a Muslim professor can tell an American university audience that “the Ku Klux Klan used to crucify (!) African-Americans, everyone standing around during the crucifixion singing Christian hymns (!).”

23) I deplore the phony appeals of the “we all share one Abrahamic faith” and “we are the three monotheisms” when, to my mind, a Christian or a Jew has far less to fear from, and in the end far more in common with, any practicing polytheistic Hindu.

24) I do not think Islam, which is based on the idea of world-conquest, not of accommodation, and whose adherents do not believe in Western pluralism except insofar as this can be used as an instrument, temporarily most useful, to protect the position of Islam until its adherents have firmly established themselves, should be accepted in non-Muslim societies.

25) I deplore the view, in Islam, that it is not a saving of an individual soul that is involved when one conducts Da’wa or the Call to Islam, but rather, something that appears to be much more like signing someone up for the Army of Islam. He need not have read all the fine print; he need not know Islamic tenets; he need not even have read or know what is in sira and hadith or much of the Qur’an; he need only recite a single sentence. That does not show a deep concern for the nature of the conversion (sorry, “reversion”).

26) I deplore the sentiment that “Islam is to dominate and not to be dominated." I deplore the sentiment “War is deception” as uttered by Muhammad. I deplore what has happened over 1350 years, in vast swaths of territory, formerly filled with Christians, Jews, Zoroastrians, Hindus, Buddhists, much of which is now today almost monotonously Islamic. I do not think Islam welcomes any diversity if it means the possibility of full equality for non-Muslims.

27) I deplore the fact that slavery is permitted in Islam, that it is discussed in the Qur’an, that it was suppressed in 19th century Arabia only through the influence of British naval power in the Gulf; that it was formally done away with in Saudi Arabia only in 1962; that it still exists in Mali, and the Sudan, and even Mauritania; that it may exist in the Arabian interior, but certainly the treatment of the Thai, Filipino, Indian and other female house workers in Arab households amounts to slavery, and it is no accident that there has never been a Muslim William Wilberforce.

I could go on, and am prepared to adduce history, and quotations from the canonical texts.
And so are hundreds of thousands of Infidels who have looked into Islam, or in their own countries, had a close look at the Muslim populations which have made their own Infidel existences far more unpleasant, expensive, and dangerous than they would otherwise be.

If this is “Islamophobia” -- show me exactly why it is irrational (i.e. not based on facts or observable behavior, or a study of history), an “irrational” dislike or even hatred of Islam. If you cannot show that, then perhaps the word should not be invoked.

But if you do invoke it, be prepared to have copious quotations from Qur’an and hadith and sira constantly presented to audiences so that they may judge for themselves, without the “guidance” of apologists for Islam, both Muslim and non-Muslim. "
Posted by: Hugh Fitgerald, on www.jihadwatch.org, November 1, 2007 11:25 AM

Posted by: dumbledoresarmy at February 4, 2008 10:03 PM

Hugh-

I deplore the lack of appreciation of your Estimable Deplorables by our "leaders".

Acutely, and terrifyingly put.

Posted by: profitsbeard at February 4, 2008 10:09 PM

Europeans don't have to put up with that. They just don't have the will to do anything about it.

Muslims can only get away with what you allow them to get away with.

Posted by: rational at February 5, 2008 12:21 AM

Re dumbledoresarmy;

Point taken - Well written!!.

Yes I am British - English actually, and Hugh's points may well be posted on British sites in the coming months if he grants my plagiarism!!.

Posted by: Stone Rose at February 5, 2008 6:45 AM

Never ever give up...and Never ever give in, cause WE SHALL WIN, no matter how long it takes. We're in the the long haul, right!

Posted by: herself at February 5, 2008 9:10 AM