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“In my opinion, the jihadi threat from Pakistan is the biggest emerging threat we are facing in Europe. Pakistan is an ideological and training hotbed for jihadists, and they are being exported here.”
"Terror Threat From Pakistan Said to Expand," by Elaine Sciolino for the New York Times (thanks to Davida):
BARCELONA, Spain — As the terrorism suspects congregated in the largely Pakistani neighborhood here over the past few months, they were joined by a young man who called himself Asim. He had come from the Pakistani borderlands where the leadership of Al Qaeda is said to have regrouped.The suspects, he later told Spanish investigators, envisioned a wave of spectacular attacks: Coordinated suicide bombings would start in this city’s vast subway system and then sweep through Portugal, Germany, France and Britain if certain demands were not met.
Asim had been sent to Spain to be a suicide bomber, but he also was an informant for French intelligence working in the no man’s land of Waziristan in Pakistan. After he got word to his handlers of an impending attack, Spain’s military police swooped into the neighborhood of Raval in the early hours of Jan. 19 and arrested 14 men. Now the officials unraveling the case say it demonstrates the growing threat of terrorist activities migrating to Continental Europe from Pakistan.
The largely Pakistani cell formed quickly in Barcelona with support, and perhaps direction, from the tribal areas of Pakistan, the authorities said. According to the arrest warrant in the case, three suicide bombing suspects arrived in Spain within the last four months and the bomb making suspect had recently spent five months in Pakistan. [...]
“That these people were ready to go into action as terrorists in Spain — that came as a surprise,” said Judge Baltasar Garzón, Spain’s highest antiterrorism magistrate. “In my opinion, the jihadi threat from Pakistan is the biggest emerging threat we are facing in Europe. Pakistan is an ideological and training hotbed for jihadists, and they are being exported here.”
That threat has been felt elsewhere. Two of four suicide bombers who attacked London’s transit system in July 2005 had trained at a camp in Pakistan. Four of the five British men convicted last April in a plot to blow up targets in London using fertilizer bombs were of Pakistani origin and some had trained at a makeshift terrorist camp there.
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As an Italian and European, I am extremely worried. My Italy and my Continent are dying. We are losing to Demographics, Apathy, and "Stupidity." More and more Europeans are waking up; however, it may be too late. To use an American Term, "Political Correctness" and Governmental Entitlements have made us weak. We may not be able to control the "hoard" at our borders.
The relationship between your America and my Europe has been "strained" at times. I know that I have been "taken to task" by a member or two on this board stating that Europe must stand up and do something. They were right. As a child, I loved to study Roman History. All I had to do was walk outside and see Roman History. The parallels between the fall of the Western Roman Empire and America scare me - uncontrolled borders, political correctness, apathy from other countries, etc, ....... I worry a great deal about the future of Western Civilization.
I have written this before - After 9/11, there were some Europeans such as myself that were suprised that America didn't set half the world on fire to rid us all of these parasites. Like I said, our Continents have had disagreements. Some of these disagreements have been valid and some have been "childish." I DO believe that there is jealousy in Europe of America. Americans accomplish tasks. America takes a "can do" attitude. My Continent can be very negative and constantly look for reasons not to accomplish tasks. That being said, I fear for us both. I fear for Western Civilization.
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at February 10, 2008 3:29 PM
Is it somewhere written that the countries of the advanced West are required to admit into their lands, or to continue to endure, no matter what new information may come to light, and greater understanding, as a result, of the meaning and menace of Islam, Muslims even if it is by now quite clear to all but the idiots that there is something deeply worrisome, and is clear to those who are a bit swifter than others that the large-scale presence of Muslims, in the Bilad al-kufr (Lands of the Infidels), has led to a situation that is far more unpleasant, expensive, and physically dangerous for the indigenous Infidels (and for other, non-Muslim, immigrants) than would be the case were there no such large-scale Muslim presence?
Is it impossible to halt all Muslim immigration? To return Muslim non-citizens promptly to their countries of origin? To impose restrictions on money coming from Saudi Arabia and elsewhere to fund those mosques and madrasas all over the Western world? To do nothing that would indicate a willingness to change our legal and political institutions in response to Muslim demands or a Muslim presence, and instead make it difficult, because of such steely and informed refusal, to force Muslims to choose between remaining in the Lands of the Infidels, where a "full Muslim life" will only with great difficulty be lead (and there are ways to let the "whisperings of Shaytan" become louder), and sticking with Islam.
It is not mainly, or merely, a "religion" as we understand that term. It is a Total Belief-System. If we come to see it as the threat it is, to the legal and political institutions that have been created over time, and that we have inherited, and that we have a duty to preserve, then we will be far more willing to consider, or to take, the kind of measures that have been taken, within recent memory, when a tolerant and advanced people had had enough, had experienced enough, and were not about to endure, for the sake of some theoretical "standard of tolerance" that, after all, is merely a human construct, and should not be considered a suicide pact, and indeed did handle such a perceived threat by acting as they did, in the case of the Czechs, with those quintessential Europeans of the civilized old school, Jan Masaryk and Eduard Benes, when they passed, and then put into force, what came to be called the Benes Decree. [For more on this, simply google "Benes Decree" and "Hugh Fitzgerald."]
Posted by: Hugh at February 10, 2008 3:52 PM
“In my opinion, the jihadi threat from Pakistan is the biggest emerging threat we are facing in Europe. Pakistan is an ideological and training hotbed for jihadists, and they are being exported here.”
Well, knock me down with a feather...
Who'd have known it?
So, are we taking steps to combat this, since everyone and his brother have known this for years?
Too sensitive? Why?
Can't upset them? Why?
Politically incorrect? Why?
Are they trying to kill us? Yes!
So lets stop them right? No? Why?
From Monty Pythons Life of Brian :
It's happening Reg!
They're stringing him up outside!
At the end of the day, we have a cohesive organisation in Pakistan whose soldiers are churned out day by day from the many thousands of hate factories there - and whose remit is to kill non muslims anywhere they find them and who also have a well planned strategy to bomb and kill people in foreign countries in Europe, but we do not hit them at the source and choke them off.
Why is this?
Why are we so mindful of the host country's "sensibilities" when they turn a blind eye and do nothing to stem the flow of people on their territory who are hellbent on killing us?
at February 10, 2008 4:05 PM
And yet, both Europe and the USA are creating new Pakistan in the heart of Europe - Kosovo.
Posted by: LazarOfSerbia at February 10, 2008 4:06 PM
Quickly sending in a number of agents to form a terrorist cell is a sea change in Jihadi tactics. It plainly makes it much more difficult to detect and interdict Jihadists before they can act. In this case, had it not been "Asim" working for French Intel, the headlines would likely have been much different. They have learned that developing cells from within Western countries carries a high likelihood of detection. This new tactic will be difficult to counter without severe restrictions on travel. Like a virus, the Jihadi react and adapt to changing security measures.
Posted by: songdongnigh at February 10, 2008 4:14 PM
But the priority for Western politicians is that democratic elections are held in Pakistan as soon as humanly possible! My suggestion for the Europeans on this board is to head over to the Brussels Journal and give a look at a video interview with Jack Wheeler (one of architects of the Regan Doctrine). Maybe it's not stupidity, apathy, or even demographics. Maybe it's the religion of envy which is brining down Europe? Food for thought...
ROMA EST VICTORIA!
Here's the You Tube link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_uObS6ez_Y&eurl=http://www.brusselsjournal.com/
Posted by: TheDiggler at February 10, 2008 4:25 PM
TheDiggler - ROMA EST VICTORIA!
Thank you TheDiggler. I am afraid that those days are over. It is a lot of things - What was stated in the video and all of the things previously mentioned.
I remember my Father talking about Ronald Reagan. My Father LOVED your President. A common attitude among my fellow Europeans was "Better Red than Dead." That is my beloved Europe in a nutshell. Compromising, apathetic, weak, etc, .......... A continent that could once place hundreds of thousands of warriors on the battlefield will only mildly complain now. Not that I believe all that is put forth; however, even the Church has become weak. We no longer even defend our religion.
It is happening in your country as well. America has the strength and courage to overcome; but, will the next President make the attempt? I watch the satellite news stations and I see the same type of "Political Correctness" in your land as well. I do worry. I went to college in California and I love the States. Your country is the last hope for the Free World!
I will never kneel in a Mosque!!
at February 10, 2008 4:45 PM
LouisRusso,
Very good post, and right on the money. The problem isn't that we can't do anything about it, we can. The problem is that political, religious and academic leaders, on both sides of the Atlantic, don't want to do anything about it.
They are so paralyzed by the ideologies of multiculturalism, diversity, and inclusion that they can't see the dangers to themselves, us and Western civilization. They believe down to the tips of their toes that everyone, including Muslims, want to live free in enlightened democratic societies, and no evidence to the contrary is going to change their minds.
It's only a matter of time before Muslim terrorists blow the dome off of St. Peters, destroy half the artworks in the Louvre, or topple the statue of liberty, and you can be certain that the only response will be another outreach program to the Muslim community. The proof of this was our response after the destruction of the world trade center.
No, it isn't that we can't do anything. We can do plenty, beginning with halting all Muslim immigration to the West, labeling Islam a criminal organization, and deporting any Muslim that expresses hostility to the principles and ideals of of our Western socities.
The Italian and U.S. police recently rounded up dozens of Mafia leaders in Sicily and New York -- so something can be done when there's a will to do it.
Posted by: rational
at February 10, 2008 4:48 PM
The logical response to this development would be for all countries to restrict immigration from Pakistan. What stops us from acting logically? It also shows the ramifications of the EU all but eliminating borders between member countries. Should the cost of British policies toward Pakistan be borne by all EU members?
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article3342040.ece
Posted by: PMK at February 10, 2008 4:49 PM
Rational and PMK - Spot on!
What I cannot figure out is.....If most Americans and maybe 50% of Europeans feel the same way that we do, why can we not elect officials that will follow our type of policies? Why?
Is the media to blame? What is it? I know that some Americans believe that their media has a biased view.......You should watch the BBC or EU news stations.....Absolute rubbish. I just do not understand. What is controlling our elected leaders?
Posted by: LouisRusso at February 10, 2008 4:57 PM
I wish I knew what the majority of Americans feel. Only thing I see in the news is how great Obama is and maybe some amnesty marches once in awhile. The rest is brittny spears this, brittny spears that-blah.
Posted by: mrockroll1969 at February 10, 2008 5:15 PM
BARCELONA, Spain — As the Islamic suspects congregated in the largely Pakistani neighborhood hereNow the officials unraveling the case say it demonstrates the growing threat of Islamic activities migrating to Continental Europe from Pakistan.
That these people were ready to go into action as Islamic terrorists in Spain —
“In my opinion, the Islamic threat from Pakistan is the biggest emerging threat we are facing in Europe. Pakistan is an ideological and training hotbed for Islamic jihadists, and they are being exported here.”
Four of the five British men convicted last April in a plot to blow up targets in London using fertilizer bombs were of Pakistani origin and some had trained at a makeshift Islamic terrorist camp there.
Just had to do a little editing to make the article clear on who is the treat as well as were it is coming from.
Job 18:21
"Surely such are the dwellings of the wicked, And this is the place of him who does not know God."
الوظيفة 18:21
"ومن المؤكد ان هذه هي مساكن الاشرار ، وهذا هو المكان الذي منه الذي لا يعرف الله.
at February 10, 2008 5:20 PM
As a person from India, I have always wondered why US & EU have been treating Pakistan as their ally. I am not against all pakistanis. But here are some facts to ponder.
What are the forces behind creation of pakistan? Founding fathers of pakistan were the ideological inheritors of genocidal islamic invaders with slogan "Muslims are separate civilization and cannot live with Hindus and others".
Who do pakistani's consider as heroes and role model? Here is just a sample. Pakistan has named their missiles after Ghazni and Ghori!!!
Timulane - Raided india many times during 10th century. On one such raids he gave a command to his soldiers to kill all POWs before sunset. On that day 100,000 Hindus were slaughtered. Timurlane has noted this with pride in his biography.
Mahmud Ghazni - A plunderer who repeatedly raided commercial centers, destroyed many cities and temples. He is know for his raid on a ancient temple in Gujarat 17 times.
Mohamad Ghori - He invaded Delhi and lost to king Prithviraj. Prithviraj pardoned Mohamad Ghori twice and sent him back. Mohamad Ghori came the third time and defeated Prithviraj. Did Ghori return the favor? Nope, he beheaded Prithviraj.
Bhaktiar Khilji - Destroyed Buddha university Nalanda and many other places of worship.
What did Pakistan Muslim League do for partition of India? They called for Direct action day. Look at this menacing terminology "Direct action day". You can google and find out how many hindus were killed on "direct action day".
Who do pakistan consider as villains?
Gandhi - I don't have to say who is Gandhi
Shivaji - He resisted islamic invasion. He never invaded Mughal empire and destroy cities and places of worship. He just resisted Aurangzeb's expansion and slaughter. Even today Islamists are offended by anyone defending their ground!!!!
What Bin laden does today is not very different from what Mohamad ghori, Ghazni, Timurlane etc... did? Will pakistani's condemn Bin laden's action. hmmm.... I wish. But you know already that Bin laden has more popular support among pakistani's than Musharraf.
Fountain head of terrorism on earth
Pakistan - 1
Saudi arabia - 2
If at all there is a country that US and EU needs to invade, it is pakistan. Enforce secular education on Pakistan. Stay there for 200 years till whole new generation is brought up with secular education.
God bless USA
Desi
Posted by: Desi at February 10, 2008 6:15 PM
Is it somewhere written that the countries of the advanced West are required to admit into their lands, or to continue to endure, no matter what new information may come to light, and greater understanding, as a result, of the meaning and menace of Islam, Muslims even if it is by now quite clear to all but the idiots that there is something deeply worrisome, and is clear to those who are a bit swifter than others that the large-scale presence of Muslims, in the Bilad al-kufr (Lands of the Infidels), has led to a situation that is far more unpleasant, expensive, and physically dangerous for the indigenous Infidels (and for other, non-Muslim, immigrants) than would be the case were there no such large-scale Muslim presence?
Is it impossible to halt all Muslim immigration? To return Muslim non-citizens promptly to their countries of origin? To impose restrictions on money coming from Saudi Arabia and elsewhere to fund those mosques and madrasas all over the Western world? To do nothing that would indicate a willingness to change our legal and political institutions in response to Muslim demands or a Muslim presence, and instead make it difficult, because of such steely and informed refusal, to force Muslims to choose between remaining in the Lands of the Infidels, where a "full Muslim life" will only with great difficulty be lead (and there are ways to let the "whisperings of Shaytan" become louder), and sticking with Islam.
It is not mainly, or merely, a "religion" as we understand that term. It is a Total Belief-System. If we come to see it as the threat it is, to the legal and political institutions that have been created over time, and that we have inherited, and that we have a duty to preserve, then we will be far more willing to consider, or to take, the kind of measures that have been taken, within recent memory, when a tolerant and advanced people had had enough, had experienced enough, and were not about to endure, for the sake of some theoretical "standard of tolerance" that, after all, is merely a human construct, and should not be considered a suicide pact, --posted above by Hugh.
So right. I'm tired of my country, USA, suiciding itself to Barbarians and their barbaric demands. And I'm tired of reading about this suiciding in England, Holland, France, Germany and Italy. BASTA! ("Enough" in Italian).
at February 10, 2008 6:30 PM
As a person from India, I have always wondered why US & EU have been treating Pakistan as their ally.
Desi,
Old habits die hard. I suggest you look at the history of India and how India supported the Soviet Union during the cold war, even supporting the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. The non-aligned movement began in India, which didn't want to choose sides between Communism and the West. India didn't WANT to be our ally. It was determined to stand alone. It wasn't a perfect alliance but the military-led government of Pakistan WAS our ally during the cold war, when it mattered. India was not.
at February 10, 2008 7:47 PM
OT, and perhaps some of you have seen these clips already, but they deserve to be re-posted.
http://sheikyermami.com/2008/02/11/pat-condell-rips-the-archdhimmi-of-dhimmibury/
and Newt Gingrich:
Too bad he isn't running for president.
http://edition.cnn.com/video/#/video/politics/2007/08/07/sot.newt.gingrich.cnn?iref=mpvideosview
at February 10, 2008 8:59 PM
"What are the forces behind creation of pakistan? Founding fathers of pakistan were the ideological inheritors of genocidal islamic invaders with slogan 'Muslims are separate civilization and cannot live with Hindus and others'"
Desi
Great post, Desi. While the USA did make a mistake allying itself with Pakistan, what PMK says about India is true. India, as it is now pandering to the Islamists was then pandering to Communists under the useless "guidance" of Nehru. It seems so far, that only the BJP and President Abdul Kalaam have had the balls to raise their middle finger to the whole world.
Pakistan cannot survive without hate. Why? The very creation of the state was based on hate and not individualism like many Pakistani's like to point out. Without hate, their country cannot exist - it has no history and no Islamic civilization.
The Pakistani's claim that the Indus Civilization is there's, based on what? The Indus Civilization is Hindu history, which isn't Islamic. Fake, fake, fake. Even Urdu is a mutt language.
Remember? The Taj Mahal is in India, even Aurangzeb's tomb is in India (and everyone knows he was the what Osama would act like in a position of power). India has everything - Hindu, Islamic, Sikh, Sufi, everything.
Jai Hind
Posted by: Blue at February 10, 2008 9:20 PM
Not to worry, when Barack gets to be president, he will invade or bomb Pakistan, I am not sure if that will be before, or after his desired meeting with chief muslims, from around the world...
Posted by: duh_swami at February 10, 2008 9:22 PM
"Whooah! Hold the press Mr Spencer. I said this exact same thing only last month and I was gang banged by every man and his dog." (way above)
Whoa,Leon, get in line!
Bernard Henri Levy back in 2003 in "Who Killed Daniel Pearl?" was saying substantially the same thing.
Next time it happens, lie back and think of England (as it once was).
Posted by: MBR at February 10, 2008 9:54 PM
LouisRusso,
To be technical, Reagan wasn't my President, but how I wish he was (I was born in '81 so my memory of Reagan is somewhat weak). The first time I heard "A Time For Choosing" I had shivers down my spine. He was speaking in 1964 at the height of the Cold War, but it almost sounds as if he's eerily describing the war we are currently facing in the here and now.
He rejects "the soup kitchen of the welfare state", quotes Alexander Hamilton and Winston Churchill, and calls out liberals over "accommodation". I would have probably added a quote from Cicero, which would have been more relevant to our conflict, rather than the Cold War ("To be ignorant of what occurred before you were born is to remain always a child"). Diana West would probably like that one. 'A Time For Choosing" as it is, is flawless.
"They say we offer simple answers to complex problems. Well perhaps there is a simple answer, not an easy answer, but simple. If you and I have the courage to tell our elected officials that we want our national policy based on what we know in our hearts is morally right"
-Ronald Reagan 1964
G-d bless him wherever he is.
Here's the link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvg7lRsCVJ8&feature=related
P.S. ROMA NUMEN ALIQUANDO VICTORIA!
I like singing off with "ROMA EST VICTORIA" given the Prophet's "prophecy" that one day the believers will take Rome. Over my dead body, but that would be the point then, wouldn't it be? Someone should alert Hugh though, as my use of Latin is underwhelming to say the least (where is Biggus Dickus when you need him?).
Posted by: TheDiggler at February 10, 2008 9:54 PM
duh_swami,
Barack Hussein Obama will never invade a muslim country. His father was muslim, he step-father is muslim, and he was raised with muslim values. He spent time in a madrassa in Indonesia. I pray to God that I'll never see the day when a man, who will not place his hand over his heart for our pledge of allegiance, places his hand on a koran and takes the oath of office by saying, "I Barack Hussein Obama........"
Posted by: Allen at February 10, 2008 10:10 PM
Does anyone know what V S Naipaul is up to these days?
It's worth re-reading the sections to do with Pakistan, in 'Among the Believers' and also in 'Beyond Belief'.
His account, in 'Among the Believers', of what he describes as the quite deliberate and organised flooding of Britain - and Europe also - with Pakistani Muslims, by people who knew exactly which buttons to press ('asylum', etc) in the targeted 'host' countries, is bone-chilling in light of what has unfolded since the 1970s.
I followed Robert's advice and 'read the whole thing'.
I observed the usual loud claims of 'innocence' from the rest of the Muslim 'community' from which the would-be jihadis came.
And the bio of one of the main suspects, one mohammed ayub does not, to me, prove 'innocence' at all; it merely makes me wonder just how many other 'mr ayubs' there may be out there, smiling, smiling, and smiling, sometimes for ten, twenty, thirty years, just biding their time and secretly polishing the assassin's knife.
"Mr. Ayub seemed like a strange fit for a suicide bomb plot. A grandfather with a score of grandchildren, he holds Spanish citizenship and had worked in Spain for 24 years as a dishwasher and as a cook before retiring 13 years ago.
“We don’t understand this big movie plot that they [the authorities] have created,” said Mr. Ayub’s son Naveed Ayub. “There are 20,000 Pakistanis in this neighborhood who’ll tell you my father is innocent.”
Of course he's 'innocent' - he's a Muslim and Islam says that all Muslims are 'innocent' and all kfr are 'guilty'; and the word of a kfr about a muslim, is always a lie...
I note, from the article, that while the police were trailing some of the suspects, 'they [the suspects] PHONED FAMILY MEMBERS'.
This suggests to me that all those loud protestations of shock and outrage by astonished family members, at the very idea that poor dear Mohammed (such a sweet boy/ man, so nice, so studious, hard-working, pious [or, so secular, fun-loving] etc etc) could EVER have done what the naughty Infidel police are saying he did/ tried to do, protestations that have become stereotypical in the aftermath of every failed or successful jihad raid in the West, are all so much BS.
They know. I'll bet they know what their sons/ uncles/ cousins/ husbands/ brothers etc are up to. I'll bet that every single Muslim family and, indeed, 'community', not excluding the mosque of choice, that's ever had someone attempt, or carry out, a jihad raid in the West, knew ALL ABOUT IT, and was probably formally farewelled before their 'hero' set out on his/ her mission.
It should be standard practice to call in every last family member and interrogate them - separately, not allowing them to consult either before or after the interrogation.
The jihadis' house - and those of every member of his extended family - and the mosque s/he normally attended, and the house of the cleric/s who ran that mosque - should in every such case be searched from attic to basement, by sniffer dogs.
However: the other conclusion I draw from the article is that Muslim 'informants' may well be having fun 'playing' with the Infidel investigators. I am convinced that 'Asim' in this story was playing at least a triple game.
(In 1917 in 'Palestine' Ion L Idriess, trooper in the Australian Light Horse, observed that the Bedouin Arab Muslims spied for the British and also spied for the Turks, at the same time, and could not be trusted by EITHER side; the Australian troops quickly learned to despise them).
What if this whole set of arrests is a feint and something else is being planned while the Infidels are distracted?
The figure of Mr Ayub and his 24 years apparently peacefully and humbly contributing to Spanish society, reminds me very much of someone we have in Australia, an Afghan-Pakistani named Abdul Khan, founder of the Darwin and Alice Springs mosques, about whom I read the following sugary puff piece in an Indigenous newspaper:
http://www.nit.com.au/community/story.aspx?id=11815
He's been in Australia since 1970, scoping out and doubtless mapping our resource-rich northern region (iron ore, uranium deposits) [he's a geologist] and our unhappy Aboriginal reserve populations.
To me, everything about him screams 'mole! sleeper! spy!'. I do hope ASIO is watching him. I keep worrying about whether he might not be another Mr Mohammed Ayub.
Posted by: dumbledoresarmy at February 10, 2008 10:49 PM
PMK, Blue,
I agree with your comments. Indian politicians do pander to Islamists. Taslima's case is a good example.
if anti-appeasement politicians in India and USA gain ground, relationship in future may be better.
Desi
at February 10, 2008 10:59 PM
Allen...I agree. I was pointing out an inconsistency... another one...
Posted by: duh_swami at February 11, 2008 12:48 AM
Be it India , US or EU , 'Political correctness', the creator of Pakistan by deviding India is the current mantra ( started by Gandhi of India..and suicidal today after Nagasaki and Hiroshima of Japan..that was first and last time anybody could do...times are back for green eco freindly conventional things )for the whole of 'global' non-muslim world ( and now heavily under pressure from 'oil'! )The tested strenghts are becoming weaknesses ( democracy, liberty etc...muslim countries are by and large immune to this and carry no moral 'baggage' of it )You have UN Arab/Cairo Charter of Human Rights ( Basically to accomodate elements of Sharia Muslim Personal Law in an International Law.) Its obsolete now but stupidly even today in 21st Century thats where and through there only everyone has to operate. It benefits Muslims only ( an exclussivity for them...why ? ).Christian Laws world over have changed so much with time that they are not Christian anymore now other than their language and origin only. Codify a New International Charter of Secular Human Civil and Criminal Law. All nations be bound by it irrespective of anything creed or dogma etc. including by China and Saudi Arabia.Open up all the countries of the world. All should live in 'glass houses' visible to everyone with bare minimum privacy and not throw 'stones' at anyone .This may help save the humanity. Nuclear veaponary world over is of no use. A time will certainly be there brought by Science when it will be 'withdrawable'
Posted by: Kash225 at February 11, 2008 1:51 AM
From above: All should live in 'glass houses' visible to everyone with bare minimum privacy.
I like that one, depending where you live, that could be very interesting. I would even clean the peanut butter of the lenses of my binoculars for that...
The rest of that sounded just a little too off to one side, Ggobalist even...
at February 11, 2008 1:59 AM
The word is 'globalist', but I think I like it with two 'G's better...
Posted by: duh_swami at February 11, 2008 2:01 AM
State sponcered Mecca Haj's and the refusal to deal or recieve flights from Saudi until it gives up its Terrorist Funding activities. After all this problem of Jihad and whatnot falls plainly on the Islamic Empires shoulders.
Imagine it, flights with a 100% chance of being hijacked by a Jihadist!
Seriously though, this is worse than a train wreck. Europe is watching itself get completely ruined by the Religion of Peace and its P.C braindead brigade just cant smell the stuff theyre shovelling.
Posted by: OLDEngland at February 11, 2008 6:26 AM
As usual, Hugh goes right to the heart of the matter.
Now, if he would only break some of those monster paragraphs into shorter sentences, that would be great! My poor brain sometimes finds it hard to parse the various parts of his occasionally very complex sentence constructions. ;-) It's always worth the effort, though.
Perhaps this is slightly off topic, but sentence diagramming used to be taught when I was in school. Is it still? (I once had to diagram the Gettysburg address as punishment, in the sixth grade. Painful as it was, it was a good exercise.) I still find it useful when trying to understand some of the posts here. Anyone else do this?
Posted by: Eastview at February 11, 2008 7:40 AM
Eastview,
Although I have many times in the past wondered if there is a systematic method of parsing a long and complex text it is the first time I hear about "sentence diagramming".
I googled for "sentence diagramming" and Google obliged with a heap of references. For someone who, like myself, is not a native english speaker to discover such a tool is quite exciting.
I will order a book, or CD on the subject today.
The things one finds on Jihadwatch...
thank you Eastview
Posted by: thomas. h at February 11, 2008 10:25 AM
To Robert Spencer:
One thing not commented upon yet is the fact that this terror cell in Spain was busted up by a Pakistani informant. In your very right-minded campaigns appealing to the so-called moderate Muslims and their organizations to help identify and root out the jihadists, you might include this case as a perfect example of what can be done.
ACTUAL Muslims are the best weapon against the jihadists. I would think it would be relatively easy, if the "peaceful" Muslims are so adamant in distancing themselves from the radicals, for them to find hundreds of young men to infiltrate AQ and other terror organizations. After all, they would be standing up for the "true" Islam and its principals, exposing the "misunderstanders" and thereby destroying that element of Islam that has not only cast their faith in a bad light, but has also brought the entire world to the brink of a coming catastrophic world war. Seems logical.
With a massive campaign in this regard, the terrorists would not be able to step outside to piss without one of the Western intel agencies knowing about it. They could be infiltrated from every direction, and be driven to self-destruction from mere suspicion because they would never know whom to trust. Instead, the opposite is happening: the radicals infiltrate the "peaceful" mosques, hide behind the skirts of the millions of Muslims who no doubt just wish to live their lives in peace, and emerge from the shadows with a knife to strike.
One wishes to ask the people of CAIR: If there are more than a billion "peaceful" Muslims and only a "small number" of "misunderstanders," how can it not be the obvious choice and the relatively simple task to root out and destroy the jihadist elements? I would love to hear Ibrahim Hooper's answer to that question.
The fundamental fact is that the safest, fastest, and most thorough solution to the jihad problem must come from Muslims--for their sake as well as ours. Because if they do nothing, they are being dragged into the same pit of hell as the rest of the world by Islamic jihad.
Posted by: JohnAdams at February 11, 2008 11:21 AM
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Again, thank you! That link has been sent back to my friends and family in Italy. Brilliant!!
at February 11, 2008 9:46 PM
Eastview,
Thank you Eastview for sensitizing me to "sentence diagramming". I am sorry for the lapse and mean no offence.
Thank you Jihad watch.
Posted by: Kash225 at February 11, 2008 10:56 PM
last month i was protesting in front of the pakistani consulate in manhattan. my sign- "pakistan give up bin laden". most people coming out of the consulate had no comment when i asked them about bin laden in pakistan. two people going in said "he's in the white house" and "there's no evidence of him in pakistan". alot of people passing 65th street liked my sign, however.
Posted by: getosama at February 13, 2008 12:43 AM
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