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Burning cars makes it all better. Not better yet? Better burn more cars.
Cartoon Rage Update. As usual, the demographics of the "youths" aren't even hinted at, beyond their being from a "predominantly immigrant area," until the issue of the Muhammad cartoons is raised. So... are we to suppose bored, non-Muslim "youths" were rioting over Muhammad cartoons? "Copenhagen police arrest six in fifth night of riots," from Agence France-Presse:
COPENHAGEN (AFP) - Six youths were arrested in Copenhagen for setting cars and dumpsters ablaze and throwing stones at police in a fifth night of riots in a predominantly immigrant area of the Danish capital, police said Friday.
"We've had six arrests so far. They've been charged with throwing stones at police and setting fires to cars and waste containers," Chief Inspector Henrik Olesen of the Copenhagen police told AFP.
At least 11 cars were torched in various neighbourhoods of Copenhagen, and 10 others in the nearby town of Kokkedal.
On Thursday, 17 youths were arrested for rioting the previous night.
"We don't know why they're rioting. I think it's because they're bored. Some people say it's because of the cartoons but that's not my opinion," Olesen said.
He was referring to the reprinting of a controversial cartoon of the Prophet Mohammed in 17 Danish newspapers on Wednesday.
The drawing, published in Denmark for the first time in 2005, sparked several months of angry protests in the Muslim world in 2006. It depicted the prophet with a turban resembling a bomb with a lit fuse.
Protests have flared up again in several Muslim countries including Kuwait and Pakistan following the reprinting. The Palestinian Islamist movement Hamas also condemned the publication.
The caricature was reprinted this week after Danish police uncovered a plot to kill the cartoonist.
Three people were arrested for planning the murder, including two Tunisians who have lived in Denmark for more than seven years and whom Denmark has decided to expel without a trial.
That decision has been heavily criticised by human rights associations and some politicians and legal experts in Denmark.
Posted by Marisol at February 15, 2008 7:34 AM
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Examining the "religion of peace", I suggest its because some people are just evil and enjoying behaving violently.
Posted by: DJM
at February 15, 2008 7:40 AM
at February 15, 2008 7:48 AM
actually, it might not be a bad way to arrest some of those losers & have them deported...
not sure about the chief's comment, though, but anyway - GO Denmark!
Posted by: thatisall
at February 15, 2008 7:58 AM
That decision has been heavily criticised by human rights associations and some politicians and legal experts in Denmark.
Would these same people be as critical if the cartoons were mocking Christianity?
Of course not, that would be heralded as a "couregous" expression of free speech, "challeneging" the establishment and other such nonsense.
Wake me up when these hypocrites afford the same respect to followers of Christinaity....
Posted by: adobe
at February 15, 2008 8:00 AM
A tidbit from Gates of Vienna:
Swedish
"newspaper Sydsvenskan printed one of the Motoons the other day — and then the editor-in-chief, Peter Melin, dropped dead on the job the next day". A Swedish jihad forum is very pleased with Allah’s intervention against the blasphemous infidel. . .Posted by: miira
at February 15, 2008 8:07 AM
'That decision has been heavily criticised by human rights associations and some politicians and legal experts in Denmark.'
Houston, we have a problem.
Translation:
We have a serious problem with (muslim-socialist infested) human rights organizations, some politicians (Muslims) and (Muslim) legal experts in EUrabia and elsewhere.
http://sheikyermami.com/2008/02/15/moes-jihad-news-4/
at February 15, 2008 8:09 AM
5% of the population and 40% of the welfare payments.
Posted by: Celsius
at February 15, 2008 8:10 AM
Time for the Reconquista to begin in Denmark, it seems. Forced repatriation is the only answer to bring order. These rioters aren't bored. They're vermin who need kicking out and a drain on Danish society. Why were the Danes and the rest of the scandinavian countries compelled to let Muslims in? They only colonised Greenland. They have no guilt trips. Instead, they listened to sob stories about so-called repressed Muslims, who were lying through their teeth and concealing their real intentions - their ambition to oppress Westerners and bring them under Sharia law.
Posted by: Spirit Of 1683
at February 15, 2008 8:14 AM
"We don't know why they're rioting."
There's no mystery here.
The rioters want the Prescribed Punishment for blasphemy against their Prophet (FITH). This is a hadd. Not a qisas for equal retaliation, not a diyyah (blood money) or a tazir (discretionary judgment). They want it done as it is described in the hadith. Their rioting is the violent expression of their frustration due to their willingness but inability to exact the penalty.
Sunan Abu Dawud is assigned third position among the six authentic books of hadith. It is only after the compilation of Sahih Bukhari and Sahih Muslim. Read the following, paying careful attention to the vigilante nature (i.e. no fatwa required) of the execution of the hadd, and the reception by the prophet (FITH).
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/abudawud/038.sat.html
Partial Translation of Sunan Abu-Dawud, Book 38:
Prescribed Punishments (Kitab Al-Hudud)
Book 38, Number 4348:
Narrated Abdullah Ibn Abbas:
A blind man had a slave-mother who used to abuse the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) and disparage him. He forbade her but she did not stop. He rebuked her but she did not give up her habit. One night she began to slander the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) and abuse him. So he took a dagger, placed it on her belly, pressed it, and killed her. A child who came between her legs was smeared with the blood that was there. When the morning came, the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) was informed about it.
He assembled the people and said: I adjure by Allah the man who has done this action and I adjure him by my right to him that he should stand up. Jumping over the necks of the people and trembling the man stood up.
He sat before the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) and said: Apostle of Allah! I am her master; she used to abuse you and disparage you. I forbade her, but she did not stop, and I rebuked her, but she did not abandon her habit. I have two sons like pearls from her, and she was my companion. Last night she began to abuse and disparage you. So I took a dagger, put it on her belly and pressed it till I killed her.
Thereupon the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: Oh be witness, no retaliation is payable for her blood.
Book 38, Number 4349:
Narrated Ali ibn AbuTalib:
A Jewess used to abuse the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) and disparage him. A man strangled her till she died. The Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) declared that no recompense was payable for her blood.
And read here about the "Most Merciful"
Book 38, Number 4359:
Narrated Abdullah ibn Abbas:
The verse "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Apostle, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite side or exile from the land...most merciful" was revealed about polytheists. If any of them repents before they are arrested, it does not prevent from inflicting on him the prescribed punishment which he deserves.
Posted by: Concerned Citizen
at February 15, 2008 8:18 AM
Could the Danes also deport the rioters?
Living in a civil society means "not having the right NOT to be offended".
When in Rome, act like the Romans.
"Pardon him, Caesar. He comes from an island where the rules of his tribe are assumed to be the rules of the universe."
- George Bernard Shaw: Anthony and Cleopatra
"....stay offa my cloud"
- Mick Jagger & Keith Richards
"Get a life!"
- the other 4/5s of the world population
at February 15, 2008 8:19 AM
Uh, Chief Olesen - it's the cartoons. The Motoons. Please don't pretend ignorance.
Posted by: darcy
at February 15, 2008 8:37 AM
Obviously this is a group that we haven't tried very hard to reach. If we perhaps sent them some money? Or maybe pushed forward a plan to divide Denmark up and give them their own country within a country then they'd be happy? Maybe the authorities in Denmark could kill ALL cartoonists? There MUST be some solution other than throwing this worthless group of human debris in prison (or out of the country) like they deserve. Please, someone help these people!!!
Sarcasm off
These are nothing but followers of Mohammed (may he continue to burn in hell) doing exactly what their false prophet prescribed. I'm assuming Denmark has laws that govern their society? Then apply the laws! Throw them in jail if it is called for; afterward deport them if they aren't citizens. Easy enough to understand?
Posted by: livefreeordie!
at February 15, 2008 9:03 AM
Please people, notice the number of nights riots have occured. The riots started before the caricature was reprinted and before the murder-plot arrests. I'm thinking they're just grasping at straws, using anything they think will get people to sympathize with them.
Adobe
The reprinting of the cartoons isn't what is being critisized, it's the deportation of 2 of the plotters without trial. And ofcourse the fact that they'll risk torture in their homeland if they're deported. Personally I couldn't care less.
tanstaafl
I doubt it. Though it's possible to deport immigrants, they have to have received a "prison sentence" of a certain length(i think it's 2 or 2,5 years). And even then there are other humanitarian concerns that need to be considered as well...
at February 15, 2008 9:16 AM
Kadija & her hatchling Muhammad, Shem's cartoons:
http://sheikyermami.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/prophet-mohammed-with-first-wife1.jpg
at February 15, 2008 9:32 AM
"That decision has been heavily criticised by human rights associations and some politicians and legal experts in Denmark."
What decision is being criticized? The newspaper's decision to reprint the cartoons? Or the government's decision to deport them without a trial? I would criticize the latter: they should have a nice long stretch in a Danish slammer, say 10 or 12 years, and THEN be deported.
at February 15, 2008 9:40 AM
We're running at some 110 incidents now. Has been pretty heavy in some places.
But it's just AFP disguising the ethnicity of the rioters. The Danish press have no reservations about describing them as 2nd/3rd generation Muslim immigrants displaying their 'religious' feelings.
We're all alert about what happens at the Fridays' prayers today. The largest Islamic society (Islamisk Trossamfund) is a bunch of Salafi's, and we're expecting veiled threats - they did so already about the extraditions of two of the would-be terrorists.
The imams will be pretending to "Keep the situation under control", while in reality they have nothing of substance to offer in the situation. Worthless all of them, wasting their time studying weird and violent tales from ancient Arabia.
Deportations would be great, but I'm afraid almost all of the rioters have Danish citizenship.
Posted by: Henrik
at February 15, 2008 9:41 AM
"What decision is being criticized?"
Extradition of two *Tunesian* citizens.
While we would prefer them to serve time, no actual crime has been committed and we just send them back to their own countries. That's sensible.
Yes, the left-wing halal-hippies are clinging to a straw of human rights conventions violations. Debaters are responding that if the conventions prevent us from taking relevant measures for national security, we should leave the conventions. That's hot! But it would be nice anyway, since they're being abused so heavily, not least against Israel.
I saw an interview with the wives of the would-be terrorists. Including a photo of them. Wearing Niqab...
Posted by: Henrik
at February 15, 2008 9:49 AM
DanishDynamite - Sorry to hear that. Unwelcome guests always turn out to ruin the party they where not invited to in the first place.
Someday I hope to visit your country. I have heard from relatives how beautiful and cultured it is.
Posted by: tanstaafl
at February 15, 2008 10:39 AM
Three people were arrested for planning the murder, including two Tunisians who have lived in Denmark for more than seven years and whom Denmark has decided to expel without a trial.
A reason to smile. Two troublemakers who have lived in Denmark for more than seven years and still don't understand what it stands for are getting more than they deserve. Instead of putting itself through the time and trouble of a trial, endless appeals and the victimization of would-be murders, the Danes have decided to save themselves the trouble and just get rid of the goons. They can't kill Danes if they can't reach them. Go, Denmark!!!!!
If you could put some icing on the cake: ban all travel to Denmark by Tunisians.
That decision has been heavily criticised by human rights associations and some politicians and legal experts in Denmark.
If only they would be equally critical of the Muslims who think their hurt feelings give them license to commit murder. What about the cartoonist's right to freedom of expression?
Posted by: PMK
at February 15, 2008 11:21 AM
The reprinting of the cartoons isn't what is being critisized, it's the deportation of 2 of the plotters without trial. And ofcourse the fact that they'll risk torture in their homeland if they're deported. Personally I couldn't care less.
I appreciate you pointing that out, my mistake.
Posted by: adobe
at February 15, 2008 11:50 AM
Ahh more antics from the people of perpetual inflammation, what else could we have expected from them.
But seriously, Denmarks response to these vile creatures has been a disaster and I don't see it changing until Danes are murdered in the streets by them.
Sadly IMO thats what it will take to wake people up in Europe - blood and lots of it.
Posted by: waltc
at February 15, 2008 12:43 PM
""We don't know why they're rioting. I think it's because they're bored. Some people say it's because of the cartoons but that's not my opinion," Olesen said."
It's hard to believe that people like Olesen are responsible for protecting the Danish people. It's no wonder Europeans can't deal with the Islamic threat. THey don't think there is one.
Talk about willful, self-induced ignorance!!!
at February 15, 2008 12:59 PM
"We don't know why they're rioting. I think it's because they're bored.
..............................
Poor things! I know I always riot when I'm bored--honestly, who doesn't? Maybe they need a midnight basketball program--er, make that soccer--futbol? Then everything would be OK. Maybe we can fund state-of-the-art youth rec centers for the local mosques--surely that would do the trick?
......
Three people were arrested for planning the murder, including two Tunisians who have lived in Denmark for more than seven years and whom Denmark has decided to expel without a trial.
That decision has been heavily criticised by human rights associations and some politicians and legal experts in Denmark.
......................
So plotting murder against a non-violent cartoonist has no human rights implications, but re-patriating the plotters, illegally in the country, is a crime against humanity? We are in big trouble.
Henrik wrote:
While we would prefer them to serve time, no actual crime has been committed and we just send them back to their own countries. That's sensible.
......
In the US and Britain plotting a murder--even if it has not been carried out--is in itself a crime. I can't imagine that this isn't a crime in Denmark as well.
Posted by: gravenimage
at February 15, 2008 1:16 PM
waltc wrote: "But seriously, Denmarks response to these vile creatures has been a disaster and I don't see it changing until Danes are murdered in the streets by them."
Are you kidding me?? Refusing to apologize, reprinting the cartoons two years later by virtually the whole Danish press, expelling muslims suspected of planning murder? Is that a disaster?
You know I'm not saying that everything is ok in Denmark, but don't make us any worse than we are. The fact of the matter is that the muslims have not been able to force us to do as they wish - yet. It may come in the future but the jury is still out. I for one is going to do whatever I can to stop it from happening. And so are many others.
Posted by: seville844
at February 15, 2008 1:22 PM
Marisol,
How bored? Regular old bored or "bored out of their minds"?
Posted by: awake
at February 15, 2008 2:10 PM
DEPORTATION
And if that is not possible
Then re-open Maarmorilik (The Black Angel mine) in Greenland and send all the Baboons, BZers and Autonoms there for several years, and while they are there the clueless twats start to learn about islam
As for the moslems, let them protest, because thats all they will do as long as no-body makes a stand against then.
Moslems will bite the hand that feeds them, but cower at the hand that whips them.
I remember very well
http://illustratedpig.blogspot.com/2008/02/islamic-group-fears-threatenbigger.html
Posted by: shiva
at February 15, 2008 3:49 PM
Henrik
do please keep everyone updated on this.
You noted: "I saw an interview with the wives of the would-be terrorists. Including a photo of them. Wearing Niqab..."
I remember reading an article fairly recently - I think by Tawfiq Hamid - that argued that the more heavily covered the women are, the more likely it is that the Mohammedan colony around them is aggressively jihadist.
The appearance, in any Mohammedan colony, of women wearing full face veil, niqab, should therefore be a red flag to Infidel law enforcement in that district, that the men in that woman's family and community should be watched like hawks.
I don't know if you watched (it's on youtube) the Australian current affairs piece, 'Jihad Sheilas'. - two Aussie-born female converts to full-on revivalist Islam. One of them wears headscarf (face visible) but the older one wears the full niqab.
I got a really, really bad vibe from the female in the niqab. The one with the headscarf seemed more of a dupe/ tool than anything else, but the niqabbed one...I wouldn't trust her an inch.
Posted by: dumbledoresarmy
at February 15, 2008 5:49 PM
How bored? Regular old bored or "bored out of their minds"? - Awake
Hmm. I guess that one's a mystery to me; I've never been bored enough to riot.
Posted by: MarisolJW
at February 15, 2008 7:50 PM
Possibly No Muslim should get offended on the publication of caricatures of their Prophet. They should know it well that only unpleasant can come out a foul mouth. They can't help it; so let the stooges have it.
Rest assure; the caricature published and re-published in most of the Dailies of Europe ( Even here at Jihad Watch) with the intent to create a mischief has also got its own (positive) value. Like all the bad news, this mischief is reaching and stirring even the laziest, couldn’t careless and dumb fellows in the far flung corners of this planet. This intimidating exercise of Caricatures may make the common folk at least think that there must be some thing big at its play behind all this freedom of speech drama?
This is another way; how the Word of God travels even to the darkest hearts. This may result in pricking their conscious and ultimately bring them closer to the God and Islam. They may ultimately kneel down on their knees to--- submit and repent?
In the likewise circumstances; God admonishes; in [9;3] “So if you repent, it will be better for you; but if you turn away, then know that you cannot frustrate the plan of Allah.[21:71]And they had intended an evil plan against him, but We made them the worst losers.
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Love for all, Hatred for None
at February 15, 2008 8:37 PM
Gee, Khokar,
9:3 is awfully close to
009.005
But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.
Were we supposed to get some kind of message out of that?
Looky here:
Book 38, Number 4359:
Narrated Abdullah ibn Abbas:
The verse "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Apostle, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite side or exile from the land...most merciful" was revealed about polytheists. If any of them repents before they are arrested, it does not prevent from inflicting on him the prescribed punishment which he deserves.
You guys have an out for everything don't you (nice choice of the word mischief, by the way). Which is it, repent and get spared, or not? Just depends on the mood of the day?
Oh, and look:
021.098
Verily ye, (unbelievers), and the (false) gods that ye worship besides Allah, are (but) fuel for Hell! to it will ye (surely) come!
But you're just concerned about love, and not hate, right?
"how the Word of God travels even to the darkest hearts. This may result in pricking their conscious and ultimately bring them closer to the God and Islam. They may ultimately kneel down on their knees to--- submit and repent?"
You've got that quite backwards. Allah's "word" travels to and from the darkest hearts. There are no darker ones than those holding the words of "the" Allah and Islam. Hoping for a stirring, eh? To what end? Come on, say it!
Titus 1:15
To the pure, all things are pure, but to those who are corrupted and do not believe, nothing is pure. In fact, both their minds and consciences are corrupted.
2 Corinthians 4:1-3
Therefore, since through God's mercy we have this ministry, we do not lose heart. Rather, we have renounced secret and shameful ways; we do not use deception, nor do we distort the word of God. On the contrary, by setting forth the truth plainly we commend ourselves to every man's conscience in the sight of God. And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing.
Posted by: Concerned Citizen
at February 15, 2008 10:58 PM
Marisol,
Actually, I was thinking of this:
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/018354.php
Regards,
awake
Posted by: awake
at February 16, 2008 12:01 AM
An esteemed commenter has stated:~
"Please people, notice the number of nights riots have occured. The riots started before the caricature was reprinted and before the murder-plot arrests. I'm thinking they're just grasping at straws, using anything they think will get people to sympathize with them."
This might be too far-fetched but... the riots occured before the arrests were made PUBLIC. Could it be possible that members of the Muslim community were already aware that some of their number were being pinched for this crime before it was publically announced and decided to get pro-active on the rioting thing?
Just an idea, could it be possbile?
Posted by: Liam1304
at February 16, 2008 2:11 AM
How bored? Regular old bored or "bored out of their minds"?
Posted by: awake
They're Moslems, so it goes without saying that they are already out of their minds. So I guess it's just regular old bored. One needs something to do between visits to the welfare office to pick up the next check.
at February 16, 2008 5:56 PM
I'd like to know exactly what they are doing in Denmark to begin with. They do not belong there.
Posted by: abad
at February 17, 2008 12:07 AM
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