Does anyone think that Syria will admit the Israelis were able to penetrate, conduct the op successfully and then exfiltrate Damascus?

What are the lives of a couple of palestinian mutts compared to that?

I think they better be cautious about identifying Mughniya's successor - maybe they HAVEN'T left Damascus yet.....

Posted by: infidel! at February 15, 2008 2:23 PM

Is Syria still blocking the investigation of Rafik Harriri's assassination?

Posted by: CTYankee at February 15, 2008 2:32 PM

So, I guess now the uber-coward nasrallah will videotape a speech where he rescinds his call to murder Jewish children as they attend synagogue? (or maybe not)

Posted by: Infidel33 at February 15, 2008 2:59 PM

It doesn't matter Robert. It's still the Joooooos fault.

There would be no terrorist, making a bomb, or handling a bomb, or being assinated, if there were no Joooos and no Israel in the middle east.

So there.

Posted by: Sounder at February 15, 2008 3:00 PM

Dang, I had hoped it was we Najis Kafur who had finished off this 7th century cretin.

Instead it's the typical inside squabbling of the Mohammedan. They’ve been slaughtering each other since the Sunni/Shia schism. And it’s always over who gets to be the Big Idiot Imam, Maggot Ridden Mufti, or Crack Headed Caliph.

But hey, as long as Sunni and Shia slaughter each other, they have a wee bit ‘o less time to get us Kafur. So pass the popcorn, please.

Posted by: senor doeboy at February 15, 2008 3:01 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xuhzlDxfAQ0

Posted by: Hugh at February 15, 2008 3:03 PM

here's the video...http://reportonarrakis.blogspot.com/2008/02/video-of-car-bombing.html

Posted by: kyros at February 15, 2008 3:34 PM

Again, this rift between the shia and sunnis should be encouraged and fomented by the West.

Posted by: walterc at February 15, 2008 3:38 PM

Talk about your 'smoking cellphone'! What's the chance that anybody's hanging onto THAT particular puppy. :)
More than interesting that Iran is the recipient of that piece of video; why not any other Arab state? Why not, for sake of argument, BBC?
(No theory here, just curious)

Posted by: DaninVan at February 15, 2008 3:39 PM

"this rift between the shia and sunnis should be encouraged and fomented by the West."
-- from a posting above

Write this on a postcard. Mail the postcard to John McCain. Follow up with a friendly phone call to his Senate office -- or ten.

Posted by: Hugh at February 15, 2008 4:03 PM

This is outright bigotry. Why not just admit you hate Muslims, instead of that famous line: 'I don't hate Muslims, I just hate terrorists.'

But hey, as long as Sunni and Shia slaughter each other, they have a wee bit ‘o less time to get us Kafur. So pass the popcorn, please.

What an awful thing to say. It not only reveals the characteristics of a person shunned by the rest of the world, but the true nature of Jihadwatch. It claims to stand up and reveal the truth about Islam when its contributors are as in this dimwits case racist, blood-thirsty, bigots. Why not do yourself a favour and rid yourself of people such as this coward.
What is it you want Muslims to say? Do you want them to say we want to kill non-believers. Thats what it looks like to me. You want them to look as if their aim is to wipe out non-believers but really it's your mission to make it seem that way. Do yourselves a favour and stop lying to yourselves.

Posted by: thesaracen at February 15, 2008 5:02 PM

Walterc: you said it, stand back and let this psychopathic lot annihilate themselves. Yada, Yada, Yada… so goes we are the bigots! Pull your head out, take a deep breath and let some oxygen reach your brain, the Saracen.
My daughter-in-law, whom I love dearly, is Iranian… albeit not Muslim; then again, she is here because of “guess what, who and whatever!
Condescending and self-anointed wa****s such as you live in a bubble… which one day will burst! A bigot, I am not… then again, you are entitled to your opinion: wait until, God forbid, the tables turn; nah, you will never get it. Have a nice day!

Posted by: ballzack at February 15, 2008 5:29 PM

But hey, as long as Sunni and Shia slaughter each other, they have a wee bit ‘o less time to get us Kafur. So pass the popcorn, please.

Really and truly, thats it in a nutshell. It is the moslems killing each other - as it has been throughout their relatively short history.

All we are doing is observing - and enjoying the popcorn.

None of this makes anyone a bigot, racist or anything else you wish to fling against the wall to see if it sticks.

All it makes us is observers - and wisely saving our own ammo.

Only the warped psychosis of the average moslem makes them able to make these sort of accusations with a straight face.

Kind of like threatening to kill people for accusing moslems of being violent.....

Posted by: infidel! at February 15, 2008 5:38 PM

thesaracen said

But hey, as long as Sunni and Shia slaughter each other, they have a wee bit ‘o less time to get us Kafur. [...] What an awful thing to say.

Hmmm. Even our non-involvement in intra-Islamic violence is worthy of criticism, but not the intra-Islamic violence itself.

How about if we instead invite the Sunni and Shi'a to come here and encourage them to work together to carry out their oft-stated goals to subjugate the kufirs by violence? Would that soothe your sensitive skin?

We surely wouldn't want to further enrage the people who are trying to kill us kufirs. In this case, enraging them by not being sufficiently heartbroken when they are killing each other rather than killing us kufirs.

What is it you want Muslims to say?

There are plenty of things we'd like Muslims to say or do. It has been explained many times. And still, they are not being said, they are not being done.

What we don't want Muslims to say:
1) Personal attacks such as "in this dimwits case racist, blood-thirsty, bigots", which is a quote of you thesaracen.
2) Easily disproven bald-faced lies such as "Islam does not sanction violence", or "Islam does not distinguish between believers and non-believers".
3) Promises of peace to an English-speaking audience, followed by exhortations of violence when speaking to an Arabic-speaking audience.
4) Cries of "Islamophobia" whenever a non-Muslim criticises, or even questions, some aspect of Islam.
5) Blaming non-Muslims for the actions of Muslims, such as "The Zionist Entity's (Israel's) existence caused the martyr to blow up that pizzeria and everyone in it".

And so on, ad infinitum.

A Muslim blew up a Muslim. So who do you criticise? The kufirs.

Says it all, really.

Posted by: special_guest at February 15, 2008 5:50 PM

"thesaracen",

You mention "racist, blood-thirsty, bigots" in your post above, so, hey, this bud's for you:

1)Racist

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/089.sbt.html#009.089.256

Volume 9, Book 89, Number 256:
Narrated Anas bin Malik:

Allah's Apostle said, "You should listen to and obey, your ruler even if he was an Ethiopian (black) slave whose head looks like a raisin."

2)Blood-thirsty

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/053.sbt.html#004.053.409

Volume 4, Book 53, Number 409:
Narrated 'Abdullah:

While the Prophet was in the state of prostration, surrounded by a group of people from Quraish pagans. 'Uqba bin Abi Mu'ait came and brought the intestines of a camel and threw them on the back of the Prophet . The Prophet did not raise his head from prostration till Fatima (i.e. his daughter) came and removed those intestines from his back, and invoked evil on whoever had done (the evil deed). The Prophet said, "O Allah! Destroy the chiefs of Quraish, O Allah! Destroy Abu Jahl bin Hisham, 'Utba bin Rabi'a, Shaiba bin Rabi'a. 'Uqba bin Abi Mu'ait 'Umaiya bin Khalaf (or Ubai bin Kalaf)." Later on I saw all of them killed during the battle of Badr and their bodies were thrown into a well except the body of Umaiya or Ubai, because he was a fat person, and when he was pulled, the parts of his body got separated before he was thrown into the well.

3) Bigoted (and bloodthirsty):

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/009.qmt.html
009.005
YUSUFALI: But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/052.sbt.html

Volume 4, Book 52, Number 176:
Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Umar:

Allah's Apostle said, "You (i.e. Muslims) will fight wi the Jews till some of them will hide behind stones. The stones will (betray them) saying, 'O 'Abdullah (i.e. slave of Allah)! There is a Jew hiding behind me; so kill him.' "

Posted by: del at February 15, 2008 6:40 PM

If I was to answer every question or claim you have made with clear concise answers, would your thinking on Islam change? Would you possibly consider finding out more about the religion? And be truthful.

Posted by: thesaracen at February 15, 2008 6:51 PM

the saracen writes:
"... it claims to stand up and reveal the truth
about Islam when its contributors are as in this
dimwits case racist, blood-thirsty, bigots. "

What race are Muslims? You people (Muslims) keep
throwing around that term "racist", but it won't
stick. If it's a bunch of blonde, blue eyed,
European Muslims against black African Christians,
I support the Christians. Get it?

And to answer your questions, nothing any Muslim
says will change my opinion. Talk is cheap. I
can just observe the behavior of real live
Muslims when someone draws a picture of the
pedophile they worship.

Posted by: root_cause at February 15, 2008 7:22 PM

Thesaracen,

If I was to answer every question or claim you have made with clear concise answers, would your thinking on Islam change? Would you possibly consider finding out more about the religion? And be truthful.

1. No.
2. Yes, if you can provide reliable sources.
3. I don't lie.

Good night.

Posted by: boneshack at February 15, 2008 7:23 PM

Hey there thesaracen, are you by chance familiar with anyone with the last name of Sutter?

Posted by: Prickzilla at February 15, 2008 8:27 PM

I take off my hat to the ones who zapped that thug-Zionist palestinians!

Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at February 15, 2008 9:33 PM

Well, hello “Thesaracen” SO good to see you’ve stuck it out around Jihad Watch to learn a few things. Now, let us begin your lessons, again.

Thesaracen said, “This is outright bigotry. Why not just admit you hate Muslims, instead of that famous line: 'I don't hate Muslims, I just hate terrorists.'”

Okay seems you need a little review of terminology… again, this part is getting old so please take better notes.

Big-ot-ry: (BIG-uh-tree): Stubborn and complete intolerance of ANY creed, belief, or opinion that differs from one’s own.

Since my ire is directed at only one creed (Not the Hindu, Buddhist, Christian, Taoist, Atheist, Agnostics, Animalism, Voodoo, and any others except Mohammedanism) This doesn’t really fit the definition of “Bigotry”.

I can loathe the ideology of the Nazi, the Clansmen, the Black panthers, La Raza, and Mohammedanism because I see gross bigotry, racism and violence in their creeds. And frankly I see no way one can be a “Bigot” for being Intolerant of the Intolerant, or are you saying,
“I MUST TOLERATE THE INTOLERANTE”?
(And don’t even give me that Taqqiya spew about how Mohammedanism is tolerant with all it’s Sharia Laws of oppression of women and all other religions or kill the homosexual, kill the adulterer, kill the pagan, kill, kill, kill the other.)

You see it’s the ideology of Bigotry and Violence that is the beating heart of Mohammedanism itself (and its adherents) that is the target of my DISDAIN, COMTEMPT, AND REVULTION.

As for all terrorists like ETA, IRA, Shinning Path, and the host of others, well, I do despise them. Why, because they have resorted to violence in Democracies that have FREEDOM OF SPEECH, FREEDOM OF RELIGION, AND FREEDOM OF THOUGHT. This tells me their ideology is extremely flawed and not capable of competing in the MARKET PLACE OF FREE IDEAS.

Ah yes… here you quote me, “But hey, as long as Sunni and Shia slaughter each other, they have a wee bit ‘o less time to get us Kafur. So pass the popcorn, please.”

Thesaracen said, “What an awful thing to say.”

It’s an awful reality. It’s like the reality of two rabid dogs tearing each other apart while they’ve been trying to maul the humans around them. Should the humans step in and try to stop them? That would result in only the humans getting hurt. You’re right… it’s plan awful to describe it, it’s plan awful to see it, and it’s plan awful the situation exists. But plan reality is, “…as long as Sunni and Shia slaughter each other, they have a wee bit ‘o less time to get us Kafur. So pass the popcorn, please.”

Thesaracen said, “It not only reveals the characteristics of a person shunned by the rest of the world, but the true nature of Jihadwatch.”

Dang, all ready firing off the invectives, and not just at me, but everyone that comes here along with our gracious host.

Thesaracen said, “It claims to stand up and reveal the truth about Islam…”

It’ seems to be doing a mighty fine job at it. Most Mohammedan are left seething and spewing invectives, and not giving reasoned theological arguments. (A few Mohammedan do try but they have the exhausting habit of using Taqqiya. They pick and choose parts of verses out of the Koran, leaving out the other parts behind that show the true meanings of violence and bigotry.)

Thesaracen said, “…when its contributors are as in this dimwits case racist, blood-thirsty, bigots.”

More invectives, boring, but may I ask you, when did Mohammedans go from a religion that any one could join, to a race? (Of coasre this not withstanding the oh so charming habit of some Mohammedan like Nassem using the term “Wuslims” kind of revealing a latent Arab Supremacist streak there.)

Blood-thirsty? Hmmm… I don’t seem to have blown up any building, buses, trains, made death threats, threats of physical violence or RIOTED LIKE A CHIMP this week, (or in this life time). Are you saying this should be the standard behavior of all the citizens of the western democracies when they’re insulted by being called Najis Kafur and are inferred they are never innocent and should be killed at any time?

Bigotry… Do I have to review that one for you yet again… please, take better notes.

Thesaracen said, “Why not do yourself a favour and rid yourself of people such as this coward.”

Again with the invective and with a nice touch of inferencing to the masculinity and integrity of your debate opponent. But, hey, seems that’s in the standard tactics of Taqqiya/Debate when losing.

Thesaracen said, “What is it you want Muslims to say?”

The truth! And your problem is that far too many do. They get on You Tube and vomit hatred and bigotry across the screen. They sit in air-conditioned Television Studios and say that all the victims of 7/7 deserve to die and more Kafur should follow them to hell. Then, when they are called on it they perform a nice little Taqqiya Samba.

Thesaracen said, “Do you want them to say we want to kill non-believers…”

Bad news, they already do that.

Thesaracen said, “…Thats what it looks like to me.”

Me too.

Thesaracen said, “You want them to look as if their aim is to wipe out non-believers but really it's your mission to make it seem that way.”

Then why, oh why, oh grand Mohammedan, do they keep doing my mission for me?

Thesaracen said, “ Do yourselves a favour and stop lying to yourselves.”

Funny, it’s you who seem to be so good at Taqqiya that you believe your own. Wasn’t it you in another posting that tried to claim the Mohammedan invented Gunpowder and Fireworks? Wasn’t it you that laid claim to chemistry, when the Greeks and Egyptians had been at it for centuries before Mohamet’s mother was even born?

Thesaracen said, “ If I was to answer every question or claim you have made with clear concise answers, would your thinking on Islam change?”

Would your answers be just more “clear and concise” Taqqiya or would you be prepared to answer FULLY?

Thesaracen said, “ Would you possibly consider finding out more about the religion? And be truthful.”

Been doing that since the Theocrat in Chief decided to declare “Islam is a religion of peace” I have found him either extremely wrong of deceptive, I’m starting to lean toward the latter. And as for “Truthful”, I live in a Taqqiya free zone.

Posted by: senor doeboy at February 15, 2008 10:07 PM

@senor doeboy

Very reasoned, civil, non-invective and patient. I could not think of a better way of countering his statements.

Did you notice he is hoping that some of use would be really interested in learning the TRUTH of Islam. Well, you get a lot further with honey that lemons. I will answer thesaracen as simply and as personally as I can on this subject.

I have been involved with God for about 35+ years. He become my savior many years ago and a close personal friend through the years. So when you make an offer to learn more about Islam and by inference God, I know I don't need to because I am already know him. It is a matter of fact, it is you thesaracen, who is lost and in desperate need. He is offering you a gift. The gift is to know the true and living God and his Son Jesus the Promised One. He is not the Jesus that Islam describes. He is Holy, Harmless and all together Lovely. And He offers it freely to anyone who will come.

So, let's put this name calling and hate aside and accept the peace that God offers.

John 3:16-21
For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life. God did not send his Son into the world to condemn it, but to save it. There is no judgment awaiting those who trust him. But those who do not trust him have already been judged for not believing in the only Son of God. Their judgment is based on this fact: The light from heaven came into the world, but they loved the darkness more than the light, for their actions were evil. They hate the light because they want to sin in the darkness. They stay away from the light for fear their sins will be exposed and they will be punished. But those who do what is right come to the light gladly, so everyone can see that they are doing what God wants.

جون 3:16-21
لأنه هكذا احب الله العالم انه اعطى ابنه الوحيد ، بحيث ان كل من يؤمن به لن يموت ولكن الحياة الابديه. ان الله لم يرسل ابنه الى العالم لادينه ، ولكن لاحفظه. ولا يوجد حكم في انتظار اولئك الذين يثقون به. ولكن الذين لا يثقون وقد سبق له الحكم لولا يصدق إلا في ابن الله. حكمهم يقوم على هذه الحقيقة : ضوء من السماء جاء الى العالم ، لكنها احب الظلام اكثر من ضوء ، لافعالهم الشريره. انهم يكرهون الخفيفه لانهم يريدون ان الخطيئة في الظلام. انهم الابتعاد عن ضوء خوفا خطاياهم يتم عرض وانهم سيعاقبون. ولكن اولئك الذين نفعل ما هو حق المجيء الى ضوء بسرور ، حتى نستطيع ان نرى الجميع يفعلون ما يريد الله.

Posted by: Im.mad.as.HELL! at February 16, 2008 1:18 AM

Blood-thirsty? Hmmm… I don’t seem to have blown up any building, buses, trains, made death threats, threats of physical violence or RIOTED LIKE A CHIMP this week, (or in this life time). Are you saying this should be the standard behavior of all the citizens of the western democracies when they’re insulted by being called Najis Kafur and are inferred they are never innocent and should be killed at any time?

Thanks Senor Doeboy
You said it better than anyone of us could.

In the above paragraph lies a big answer. Because we have disciplined armies and superior weapons it IS the desire that we get down to fighting on their level, hand to hand, sword to sword, and bomb to bomb.
Because that is all they have to work with.

Posted by: Aunt Bea at February 16, 2008 7:35 AM

Oh great, more accusations of racism against Islam. Maybe this speaks louder of Muslim's own appraisal of their religion than us kuffars? That Islam represents a movement against "white western culture" in general?

I would rather believe the Bible's assertion there is only one race...the human one.

"And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation..."
Acts 17:26

Posted by: SoteriA at February 16, 2008 8:37 AM

Palestinians did it? Ridiculous. Palestinians are peaceful to a fault, and would never kill anyone, ever.

Posted by: Goob at February 16, 2008 9:46 AM

Call Muslims whatever you want to call them, your harmless. Some little twit having a tantrum in a corner. What can you do to stop the tide of Islam?
Bring your arguments about Islam to the table let me hear it. I've definitely heard them before. You keep going round in circles with the same few claims about Islam.

You have no right to act all high and mighty like your better. In fact do it, makes no difference to me.
The man says Muslims dying makes no difference to him and then says I hate Muslims because they say the same thing. It's ok for him to say it but not the terrorists.
If you hate Muslims, why should they not hate you?

No Muslim is begging for you to tolerate them, who are you? What's so special about you?

And tell me, since you keep claiming victory, what is it that you have won? You haven't debated me to even think about victory. Where's the lessons? I haven't learnt anything about you that I didn't know already. You haven't enlightened anyone, truth is, your worthless to jihadwatch.

'Intolerant of the intolerant' you have a way with words don't you. I don't care if you don't like Muslims, I really don't, but your not helping the image of your website, which has a totally different view point to yours. Unless they covertly share yours, which doesn't really surprise me.

What you need to do is go to FOX News or CNN and air your views, that might wipe off this coward persona of yours. Till then no one will hear what you have to say.
And you know why I think your a coward; because you would never say these things in public, you would never do it. You wouldn't call a Muslim a Mohammedan, you're scared shitless of Muslims. Thats not our problem, thats your governments problem.

Muslims are not asking for anything from you, your media, your governments, do what you will. But if you hate them don't be shocked when they reply with I hate you.

Now since you have nothing else to say bring this debate you have been asking for. Otherwise don't waste my time you harmless twit.

Because we have disciplined armies and superior weapons it IS the desire that we get down to fighting on their level, hand to hand, sword to sword, and bomb to bomb.
Because that is all they have to work with.

LOL, I think it would be best that you just not comment about such things again. Since you obviously have no clue what your talking about.

Posted by: thesaracen at February 16, 2008 4:26 PM

"thesaracen",

Your immediately preceding above comment from 4:26 PM is a load of sanctimonious stupidity. But your line about "the tide of islam" is telling, so, thank you for it, and thank you for the entertainment provided by your spluttering incoherence.

Nevertheless, as you claim to wish to enlighten readers here about islam, please answer the following:

If, in the present, anyone spoke words such as those of your "Apostle of Allah", as quoted in the (reliable) Bukhari Hadith above: "You should listen to and obey, your ruler even if he was an Ethiopian (black) slave whose head looks like a raisin." (Volume 9, Book 89, Number 256), that person would be correctly termed racist.

So, here is a question for you: Why does this "Apostle of Allah" of yours get a free pass, never to be criticized?

Be truthful.

Posted by: del at February 16, 2008 6:43 PM

I remember a while back a learned commenter spoke of the way islamic tutalage among young boys actually stunt there cognative ability to learn. I think saracen is a perfect example. He sounds like a little kid on the playground saying, "I know you are , but what am I?!!!"
Please saracen, Stay on track with the importance of what we discuss here and please quit defending yourself. It's ... childish.

Posted by: imamerican at February 16, 2008 8:12 PM

Would you possibly consider finding out more about the religion? And be truthful.

Posted by: thesaracen "

....Muslims are showing me more and more about Islam every day....and they are not showing me anything I would be interested in .....In fact, they are showing more than I ever cared to know about Islam....(for that I am Grateful....)I am now on guard in a much more informed way....Thanks to the knowledge afforded me by the Muslims, I now watch every airline passenger, bus passenger, train passenger, ....I now pay more attention to the casual photographer, the erractic automobile driver, the all to common taxi,....i now look for all individuals wearing Muslim clothing,....I study the comings and going of all cars to the Mosque, I take photographs where I never did before,...I now study photographs of Islamicterror suspects listed on various websites,....I now pay more attention to Muslim speakers when then give speeches and have discovered what they are really saying....i have come to study history more than I ever did in school (especially middle eastern history).....

I have discovered Islam is something that is not good....

Posted by: exsgtbrown at February 17, 2008 12:24 PM

What is it you want Muslims to say? Do you want them to say we want to kill non-believers. Thats what it looks like to me. You want them to look as if their aim is to wipe out non-believers but really it's your mission to make it seem that way. Do yourselves a favour and stop lying to yourselves.

Posted by: thesaracen

Now you may argue that other religions kill,but,

"In the last six years, there have been perhaps a dozen or so religiously-inspired killings by people of all other faiths combined. No other religion produces the killing sprees that Islam does nearly every day of the year. Neither do they have verses in their holy texts that arguably support it. Nor do they have large groups across the globe dedicated to the mass murder of people who worship a different god, as the broader community of believers struggles with ambivalence and a radical clergy that supports the terror."

Here are some of the things the Muslims do say...religiously.....

The Qur'an:

Sura (2:191-193) - "And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution [of Muslims] is worse than slaughter [of non-believers]...and fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah." There is a good case to be made that the overall context of these verses is defensive war, however, there are two worrisome pieces to this passage. The first is that the killing of others is authorized in the event of "persecution." The second is that fighting may persist until "religion is for Allah."

Sura (2:244) - "Then fight in the cause of Allah, and know that Allah Heareth and knoweth all things."

Sura (2:216) - "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not."

Sura (3:56) - "As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help."

Sura (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority". This speaks directly of killing Christians, since they believe in the Trinity (ie. what Muhammad incorrectly believed to be 'joining companions to Allah').

Sura (4:74) - "Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward."

Sura (4:76) - "Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah…"

Sura (4:89) - "They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks."

Sura (4:95) - "Not equal are those believers who sit (at home) and receive no hurt, and those who strive and fight in the cause of Allah with their goods and their persons. Allah hath granted a grade higher to those who strive and fight with their goods and persons than to those who sit (at home). Unto all (in Faith) Hath Allah promised good: But those who strive and fight Hath He distinguished above those who sit (at home) by a special reward,-" This passage not only criticizes "peaceful" Muslims who do not join in the violence, but also demolishes the modern myth that "Jihad" doesn't mean holy war in the Qur'an, but rather a spiritual struggle. Not only is the Arabic word used in this passage, but it is clearly not referring to anything spiritual, since the physically disabled are given exemption. (The Hadith reveals the context of the passage to be in response to a blind man's protest that he is unable to engage in Jihad).

Sura (4:104) - "And be not weak hearted in pursuit of the enemy; if you suffer pain, then surely they (too) suffer pain as you suffer pain..." Pursuing an injured enemy is not an act of self-defense.

Sura (5:33) - "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement"

Sura (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"

Sura (8:15) - "O ye who believe! When ye meet those who disbelieve in battle, turn not your backs to them. (16)Whoso on that day turneth his back to them, unless maneuvering for battle or intent to join a company, he truly hath incurred wrath from Allah, and his habitation will be hell, a hapless journey's end."

Sura (8:39) - "And fight with them until there is no more persecution and religion should be only for Allah"

Sura (8:57) - "If thou comest on them in the war, deal with them so as to strike fear in those who are behind them, that haply they may remember."

Sura (8:59-60) - "And let not those who disbelieve suppose that they can outstrip (Allah's Purpose). Lo! they cannot escape. Make ready for them all thou canst of (armed) force and of horses tethered, that thereby ye may dismay the enemy of Allah and your enemy."

Sura (9:5) - "So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them."

Sura (9:14) - "Fight them, Allah will punish them by your hands and bring them to disgrace..."

Sura (9:20) - "Those who believe, and have left their homes and striven with their wealth and their lives in Allah's way are of much greater worth in Allah's sight. These are they who are triumphant." The "striving" spoken of here is Jihad.

Sura (9:29) - "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."

Sura (9:30) - "And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!"

Sura (9:38-39) - "O ye who believe! what is the matter with you, that, when ye are asked to go forth in the cause of Allah, ye cling heavily to the earth? Do ye prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter? But little is the comfort of this life, as compared with the Hereafter. Unless ye go forth, He will punish you with a grievous penalty, and put others in your place." This is a warning to those who refuse to fight, that they will be punished with Hell.

Sura (9:41) - "Go forth, light-armed and heavy-armed, and strive with your wealth and your lives in the way of Allah! That is best for you if ye but knew."

Sura (9:73) - "O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites and be unyielding to them; and their abode is hell, and evil is the destination."

Sura (9:88) - "But the Messenger, and those who believe with him, strive and fight with their wealth and their persons: for them are (all) good things: and it is they who will prosper."

Sura (9:111) - "Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Qur'an: and who is more faithful to his covenant than Allah? then rejoice in the bargain which ye have concluded: that is the achievement supreme."

Sura (9:123) - "O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness."

Sura (21:44) - "We gave the good things of this life to these men and their fathers until the period grew long for them; See they not that We gradually reduce the land (in their control) from its outlying borders? Is it then they who will win?"

Sura (25:52) - "Therefore listen not to the Unbelievers, but strive against them with the utmost strenuousness, with the (Qur'an)." "Strive against" is Jihad, obviously not in the personal context. It's also significant to point out that this is a Meccan verse.

Sura (47:4) - "So when you meet in battle those who disbelieve, then smite the necks until when you have overcome them, then make (them) prisoners,"

Sura (47:35) - "Be not weary and faint-hearted, crying for peace, when ye should be uppermost (Shakir: "have the upper hand") for Allah is with you,"

Sura (48:17) - "There is no blame for the blind, nor is there blame for the lame, nor is there blame for the sick (that they go not forth to war). And whoso obeyeth Allah and His messenger, He will make him enter Gardens underneath which rivers flow; and whoso turneth back, him will He punish with a painful doom."

Sura (48:29) - "Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard (ruthless) against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves"

Sura (61:4) - "Surely Allah loves those who fight in His way"

Sura (61:10-12) - "O ye who believe! Shall I lead you to a bargain that will save you from a grievous Penalty?- That ye believe in Allah and His Messenger, and that ye strive (your utmost) in the Cause of Allah, with your property and your persons: That will be best for you, if ye but knew! He will forgive you your sins, and admit you to Gardens beneath which Rivers flow, and to beautiful mansions in Gardens of Eternity." This verse was given in battle. It uses the Arabic word, Jihad.

Sura (66:9) - "O Prophet! Strive against the disbelievers and the hypocrites, and be stern with them. Hell will be their home, a hapless journey's end." The root word of "Jihad" is used again here. The context is clearly holy war, and the scope of violence is broadened to include "hypocrites," those who call themselves Muslims but do not act as such.

From the Hadith:

Bukhari (52:177) - Allah's Apostle said, "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."

Bukhari (52:256) - The Prophet... was asked whether it was permissible to attack the pagan warriors at night with the probability of exposing their women and children to danger. The Prophet replied, "They (i.e. women and children) are from them (i.e. pagans)." In this command, Muhammad establishes that it is permissible to kill non-combatants in the process of killing a perceived enemy. This provides justification for the many Islamic terror bombings.

Abu Dawud (14:2526) - The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: Three things are the roots of faith: to refrain from (killing) a person who utters, "There is no god but Allah" and not to declare him unbeliever whatever sin he commits, and not to excommunicate him from Islam for his any action; and jihad will be performed continuously since the day Allah sent me as a prophet until the day the last member of my community will fight with the Dajjal (Antichrist)

Abu Dawud (14:2527) - The Prophet said: Striving in the path of Allah (jihad) is incumbent on you along with every ruler, whether he is pious or impious

Muslim (1:33) - the Messenger of Allah said: I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify that there is no god but Allah, that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah

Bukhari (8:387) - Allah's Apostle said, "I have been ordered to fight the people till they say: 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah

Muslim (1:149) - "Abu Dharr reported: I said: Messenger of Allah, which of the deeds is the best? He (the Holy Prophet) replied: Belief in Allah and Jihad in His cause..."

Muslim (20:4645) - "...He (the Messenger of Allah) did that and said: There is another act which elevates the position of a man in Paradise to a grade one hundred (higher), and the elevation between one grade and the other is equal to the height of the heaven from the earth. He (Abu Sa'id) said: What is that act? He replied: Jihad in the way of Allah! Jihad in the way of Allah!"

Muslim (20:4696) - "the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: 'One who died but did not fight in the way of Allah nor did he express any desire (or determination) for Jihid died the death of a hypocrite.'"

Muslim (19:4321-4323) - Three separate hadith in which Muhammad shrugs over the news that innocent children were killed in a raid by his men against unbelievers. His response: "They are of them (meaning the enemy)."

Tabari 7:97 The morning after the murder of Ashraf, the Prophet declared, "Kill any Jew who falls under your power." Ashraf was a poet, killed by Muhammad's men because he insulted Islam. Here, Muhammad widens the scope of his orders to kill. An innocent Jewish businessman was then slain by his Muslim partner, merely for being non-Muslim.

Ibn Ishaq: 327 - “Allah said, ‘A prophet must slaughter before collecting captives. A slaughtered enemy is driven from the land. Muhammad, you craved the desires of this world, its goods and the ransom captives would bring. But Allah desires killing them to manifest the religion.’”

Ibn Ishaq: 990 - Lest anyone think that cutting off someone's head while screaming 'Allah Akbar!' is a modern custom, here is an account of that very practice under Muhammad, who seems to approve.

Ibn Ishaq: 992 - "Fight everyone in the way of Allah and kill those who disbelieve in Allah." Muhammad's instructions to his men prior to a military raid.

Additional Notes:

Other than the fact that Muslims haven't killed every non-Muslim under their domain, there is very little else that they can point to as proof that theirs is a peaceful, tolerant religion. Few verses in the Qur'an can be construed to fit the contemporary virtues of religious tolerance and universal brotherhood, and those that do are earlier "Meccan" verses that are obviously abrogated by later ones.

Far from being mere theological construct or history, the violent verses of the Qur'an have played a key role in the many massacres in Muslim history, including the brutal slaughter of tens of millions of Hindus for five centuries beginning around 1000 AD with Mahmud of Ghazni's bloody conquest. Buddhism was very nearly wiped off the Indian subcontinent. Judaism met the same fate in the Middle East as did Christianity, there as well as across North Africa and parts of Europe, including Turkey. Zoroastrianism, the ancient religion of a proud Persian people is despised by Muslims and barely survives in modern Iran.

So ingrained is violence in the religion that Islam has never really stopped being at war, either with other religions or with itself.

Muhammad was a military leader, laying siege to towns, massacring the men, raping their women, enslaving their children, and taking what was once the property of others for his own. On several occasions he rejected offers of surrender from the besieged inhabitants and killed those whom he could take prisoner. He inspired his followers to battle even when they did not feel it was right to fight, threatening them with Hell if they did not, promising them slaves and booty if they did. Muhammad allowed his men to rape traumatized women captured in battle. Neither did he leave a clear line of succession, which resulted in internal war after his death and a jagged schism that has left Shias and Sunnis at each others' throats to this day.

It is important to emphasize that Muslim armies waged aggressive campaigns, and it was the companions of Muhammad who made the most dramatic military gains in the decades following his death. The principle set in motion early on was that the civilian population of a town was to be destroyed (ie. men executed, women and children taken as slaves) if they defended themselves. Although modern Muslim apologists often claim that Islam only attacked in self-defense, this is not only an oxymoron, but it is flatly contradicted by the accounts of Muslim historians and others going back to the time of Muhammad.

The strangest and most untrue thing that can be said about Islam is that it is a Religion of Peace. If every standard by which the West is judged and condemned (slavery, imperialism, intolerance, women's rights, warfare...) were applied equally to Islam, the verdict would be absolutely devastating. Islam never gives up what it conquers, be it religion, culture, language or life. Neither does it make apologies or any real effort at moral progress. It is the least open to dialogue and the most self-absorbed. It is convinced of its own perfection, yet never open to critical examination.

This is what makes the verses of violence so dangerous. They are given the weight of divine command. While Muslim terrorists take them as literally as anything else in the Qur'an, and understand that Islam is incomplete without Jihad, others do little to contradict them. Indeed, what do they have? Speaking of peace and love may win over the ignorant, but when every twelfth verse of Islam's holiest book either speaks to Allah's hatred for non-Muslims or calls for their death, forced conversion, or subjugation, it's little wonder that sympathy for terrorism runs as deeply as it does in the broader community - even if most Muslims personally prefer not to interpret their religion in this way.

In fact, many Muslims are simply unaware of the Qur'an's near absence of verses that preach non-violence. This is because their understanding of Islam comes from what they are taught by others. In the West, it is typical for Muslims to come to believe that their religion must be like Christianity - preaching the New Testament virtues of peace, love, and tolerance - because Muslims are taught that Islam is supposed to be superior in every way. They are somewhat surprised and embarrassed to learn that the evidence of the Qur'an and the bloody history of Islam are very much in contradiction to this.

For their part, Western liberals would do well not to sacrifice judgment and distinction on the altar of political correctness, or look for reasons to bring other religion down to the level of Islam merely to avoid the existential truth that this it is both different and dangerous.

There are just too many Muslims who take the Qur'an literally... and too many others who couldn't care less.

Posted by: exsgtbrown at February 17, 2008 12:41 PM

Muslims Against Sharia congratulate the organization responsible for elimination of terrorist Imad Mugniyeh on a job well done!

http://muslimsagainstsharia.blogspot.com/2008/02/targeted-killing-of-imad-mugniyeh.html

Posted by: Muslims Against Sharia at February 17, 2008 1:12 PM

exsgtbrown - re your posting above on 17 February 12.41 pm, - well done.

Posted by: dumbledoresarmy at February 19, 2008 2:16 AM