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At first glance this appears to be in clear violation of Islamic law, for punishment by burning is "Allah's punishment," and should not be used by humans -- as indicated by this hadith:
Ali burnt some people and this news reached Ibn 'Abbas, who said, "Had I been in his place I would not have burnt them, as the Prophet said, 'Don't punish (anybody) with Allah's Punishment.' No doubt, I would have killed them, for the Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him.' "
However, the Al-Qaeda op in this video says that he is punishing his victims with "the same fire which they committed their crime with" -- although we do not learn what fire these people are supposedly guilty of setting. In any case, that kind of retaliation is allowed by the Qur'an (5:45):
We ordained therein for them: "Life for life, eye for eye, nose or nose, ear for ear, tooth for tooth, and wounds equal for equal." But if any one remits the retaliation by way of charity, it is an act of atonement for himself. And if any fail to judge by (the light of) what Allah hath revealed, they are (no better than) wrong-doers.
So if the jihadists believe these men harmed the Muslims by way of fire, they can lawfully burn them to death.
From FoxNews (thanks to CR):
Al Qaeda's latest display of terror has made its way onto the Internet, showing horrifying images of what appear to be prisoners in Iraq being doused with an inflammatory liquid and then burned alive.The video, which appears to have been posted first on Google last December in an alleged anti-Al Qaeda Web film, shows five insurgents standing behind three blindfolded prisoners kneeling at the edge of a burning pit.
"And now that we have captured these scums who committed this dreadful crime, we will burn them with this fire," the Al Qaeda leader says in Arabic. "The same fire which they committed their crime with.
"And I swear by God almighty that, I swear by God almighty that we will have no mercy on them," he continues. "Allahuakbar, Allahuakbar."
As he speaks, two of the insurgents pour liquid on the blindfolded prisoners. Then they push the bound men into the pit, where they are engulfed in flames.
Posted by Robert at February 15, 2008 5:45 PM
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Wake up! Wake up! For the love of God, wake up! Why do I not see this on my European Media? Why do I not see this on American Media? Where is the outrage?
Posted by: LouisRusso![[TypeKey Profile Page]](http://www.jihadwatch.org/nav-commenters.gif)
at February 15, 2008 6:12 PM
What is the big deal Islam has its Democracy people vote for Shariaa, and Islam has its own tolerence as well see 'Don't punish (anybody) with Allah's Punishment.' No doubt, I would have killed them, for the Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him.' " killing good .... burning people to death bad. We are such xenophobes right?
at February 15, 2008 6:22 PM
Here is the video link that I copied from the Fox source provided above -- WARNING -- IT IS SICK.
http://videogaleri.hurriyet.com.tr/Video.aspx?s=5&vid=2107
Hidith or no hadith -- if you are looking for an excuse to do something horrible, no doubt someone will find the "moral" justification for so doing.
As for me, this is just one more reason why I detest islam!
Posted by: witness at February 15, 2008 6:30 PM
I saw that video and all I can say is ALLAH AKBAR! .... oh Mohhamed the great and merciful peace be upon him!
Posted by: ethoman at February 15, 2008 6:37 PM
I saw that video and all I can say is ALLAH AKBAR! .... oh Mohhamed the great and merciful peace be upon him!Posted by: ethoman at February 15, 2008 6:37 PM
When it’s your turn to be in the video, you can scream what ever you want – just don’t knock over the pork chops roasting in the pit with you.
at February 15, 2008 6:51 PM
On second thought, noting your sarcastic remarks in the previous post above I understand your point and hope that you will NEVER end up in such a situation.
AND YOU ARE RIGHT -- they voted for sharia, and this video is the result.
Point taken, so we agree after all.
Posted by: witness at February 15, 2008 6:55 PM
Whenever I think that islam has about reached it's limit of depravity, something like this comes along.
Religion of peace. Yeah right.
Posted by: walterc at February 15, 2008 6:55 PM
There are no limits to the depravity of these muslims. They'll always try to outdo someone else.
Posted by: wright3279 at February 15, 2008 7:15 PM
Concerning this article, everyone needs to comment on this propaganda here:
Posted by: darcy at February 15, 2008 7:16 PM
But beware - the LSU drooling PC MoonBat Reveille is Censorship City pro-Islam. So, your comment may not be printed. They are ignorant and uninformed as all-get-out.
Posted by: darcy at February 15, 2008 7:28 PM
I detest islam!
Posted by: witness at February 15, 2008 6:30 PM
Moi aussi.
Posted by: darcy at February 15, 2008 7:39 PM
Such lovely, kind and gentle people.
The only saving grace of this illustration of these rabid animals would have been a 500 lb bomb landing in their midst.
Pass the popcorn - would you?
Posted by: infidel! at February 15, 2008 8:04 PM
"And now that we have captured these scums who committed this dreadful crime, we will burn them with this fire," the Al Qaeda leader says in Arabic. "The same fire which they committed their crime with."
They were probably caught smoking.
Posted by: USBeast at February 15, 2008 8:09 PM
Islam never fails to impress us with ugly.
Just when you think things can't get uglier, they top themselves...
at February 15, 2008 8:14 PM
US Hospitals are totally (prepositioned..?) by Arabs from everywhere..MD badges on their white coats..UK Muslim Bakeries sprinking their own powdered feces on biscuits...they all look so professional
Posted by: nodak at February 15, 2008 9:00 PM
Pretty nasty, but the prisoners looked to me to be already dead -- droopy, non-resistant, and completely silent and unmoving as the flames engulfed them.
Posted by: Papa Whiskey at February 15, 2008 9:17 PM
Has anyone here been deafened by the world outrage over this horrible treatment of prisoners?
No? What a shock. And yet we hear endlessly about the "atrocities" of Gitmo to the point that I wish I were indeed deaf.
at February 15, 2008 9:27 PM
LR:"Why do I not see this on my European Media? Why do I not see this on American Media?"
That's the 64 dollar question.
Posted by: ewha1 at February 15, 2008 9:39 PM
Ditto LouisRusso
Try WeaselZippers.net/ and Littlegreenfootballs.com for more info..please forgive me JW Watch if fwd'ing this info isn't kosher
Posted by: nodak at February 15, 2008 10:11 PM
Papa Whiskey,
I wondered about that as well, no resistance, suggesting that they were already dead. Some AQI marketing genius must have thought it up for PR "value," to have something exceedingly "praiseworthy" to recount back at the mosque for the edification of all, especially the children!
Posted by: Lex at February 15, 2008 11:25 PM
12 year old Taliban beheads hostage
Posted by: Infidel Pride at February 15, 2008 11:46 PM
Darcy,
Wow. Shirien is an idiot, but her latest offering defies logical reality.
How can this person actually pass classes in any college?
I would love to see her 3rd quarter grades.
Regards,
awake
Posted by: awake at February 15, 2008 11:55 PM
Darcy,
as a side note, all of my comments get through moderation, and they are certainly not pro-Islam.
Posted by: awake at February 15, 2008 11:56 PM
This type of atrocity, including suicide bombings, could easily be elimated by the Islamic religious establishment if they really wanted too.
All it would take is for Imams in every Mosque and Madrassa in the Islamic worls to preach that anyone torturing or killing another human beign will go straight to hell for their deeds, and that it is a sin to honor those who commit such acts as Martyrs, because they acted contrary to Allahs commands, and, therefore, not in paradise frolicating with perpetual virgins.
As it is, the only thing you hear out of the so-called moderates is that terrorism is unIslamic, and that those who commit such acts misunderstand the true teachings of Islam.
By not condeming such acts as sins against Allah, meriting hell-fire and brimstone, they give tacid approval to the idea that terrorist are indeed martyrs, and indeed go to paradise for their crimes.
At the very least, telling young, potential Muslim terrorist', that they cannot expect 72 virgins in paradise would cause them to pause before gambing with their mortal souls.
So why aren't the so-called moderates willing to commit to a forceful statement of this kind? Could it be they themselves believe that atrocities and suicide bombings are perfectly consistent with Islamic teachings, and that the killers really are frolicing with their rewards in heaven?
The next time CAIR condemns terrorism as unIslamic, they need to be asked what happened to the terrorists? are they in Paradise or hell?
Posted by: rational at February 15, 2008 11:59 PM
Infidel Pride,
My dh &I saw this uncensored about 2 days ago& were incredibly upset &shaken by it.However,we DID wonder if the man was possibly very drugged or beaten w/in an inch of his life b/c despite people sitting on you and holding you down AND no matter how much self control you have,your physical neural,adrenal(plus other) systems WILL react to someone,ahem SAWING your head off.I mean,jeez,couldn't they at least get a HATCHET..............
All I could think of when I initially saw that was "May G-d forgive them they know not what they do...."
What I thought now was "The evil that men do...."
that poor man,that poor,poor boy......to live w/that.My son is 10 yrs old.He would like to be a fighter pilot to eventually be an astronaut.He is smart and kind and good and pure..............but no matter what, he IS a child like this boy and who knows what the circumstances would've been(actually I have quite a good idea)that would pervert him into what that child has become.......
Maybe there is still hope for that child,but no matter what....he will remember what he did always and to live with himself he will spend his life thinking black is white.Probably.
I see things like this and am UTTERLY TERRIFIED of the world my children are growing up into....
What pure unalloyed evil!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Love your children.Whether you are religious or not,teach them to think for themselves.Teach them about right and wrong....that there are SOME things that are utterly good,and SOME utterly wicked &evil ........no matter what "culture"you are from(and I'm one of those very tolerant PC-type,lefties I hear everyone complaining about......)
at February 16, 2008 12:19 AM
Burned alive?
You ain't seen nothing yet.
WARNING: the most brutal content I have ever seen.
http://hotair.com/archives/2008/02/15/horrendous-al-qaeda-in-iraq-burns-prisoners-alive/
Posted by: awake at February 16, 2008 12:25 AM
KittyBootz
I thought I could watch it. After running some 15 seconds of it, I just had to turn it off. It ought to remind us of why suggestions that they be nuked is not outside the realm of polite company. This is unlike the Nick Berg video, where the actual slitting the throat was blurred out. Here, it's shown.
Next time the Mohammedans whine about women and children being killed as collateral damage, remind them of this.
Posted by: Infidel Pride at February 16, 2008 12:26 AM
IP,
Sorry, I was late on that, I missed your link. Actually, I am sickened to the core.
Your frustration and disgust (shared by me) makes your comments completely understandable and justified.
Very few still understand the depth of the depravity of our enemy...Islam.
Btw, I watched it twice, just to make sure I wasn't hallucinating the first time.
I wasn't.
Posted by: awake at February 16, 2008 12:53 AM
It's not rational to mindlessly accept what's in a book; maybe the author(s) got it wrong. Indeed, I regard such behavior as a vice. Then there's the issue of which book(s) to mindlessly accept. There's no exit; it's mindlessness all the way to the bottom.
Posted by: MelM at February 16, 2008 1:03 AM
The Koran: garbage in/garbage out.
"Strike at their necks... subdue them with terror..."
Oh, and "...kill them if they try to leave Islam."
The Deathcult of Peace.
Posted by: profitsbeard at February 16, 2008 1:03 AM
I didn't watch today's video of prisoners being burned alive, or the 12 year old sawing off someone's head. They should be made available, without blurring or any other form of paternal censorship "for our own good". These acts should be displayed in their raw unedited format, for all infidels to see. As much as they can stomach.
I've seen enough. In the past 7 years, I've seen enough beheadings and burnings and dancing with body parts and stonings of teenaged girls and hangings of gay men and jetliners flown into skyscrapers, and I've read enough about babies roasted on a bed of rice and a pregnant woman being shot point blank in the head along with her young daughters and women beaten and raped for being seen in public with a male acquaintance.
I don't need to see any more of it. My life has already been changed, for the worse, by Islam. But others do need to see it. Every Islamic apologist needs to see the acts that they are defending and minimizing. They need to see just how much alike our societies really are. They need to see real acts of brutality, so they can place making-prisoners-stand-in-a-naked-pyramid, or putting-womens-underwear-on-prisoners-heads, in proper context.
Watching these videos clears the PC cobwebs from ones' mind. Watching these videos clarify what the real danger is. Any lingering doubts about whether we infidels really are the "bad guys", about whether we really are the "evil racist Islamophobic Crusader colonial imperialists" that we keep hearing about, are quickly removed.
Okay, we gave the world Britney Spears, gangsta' rap, and medicinal marijuana, I'll give Dinesh D'Souza that. But let's place it in context, shall we?
I wish I had never seen what I've seen. I wish I had never read what I've read. But it had to be done. Living in a self-created fantasy world where Islam is the Religion of Peace and Muslims are tolerant and peaceful is not facing reality. And we need to face reality, or one day we will be watching these acts not on a video, but in front of our very eyes, and it will be our own families.
at February 16, 2008 2:15 AM
Couldn't they find a sharper knife for the poor kid to use?
Actually, sick and evil as it was, that's not the worst beheading video I have ever seen. The absolutely worst one, to me, is the beheading of Eugene Armstrong. It was enough to make me almost puke on my keyboard. The soundtrack is the most horrible thing I've ever heard. Extremely disturbing.
http://www.bigducky.com/videos/beheading_videos/armstrong_beheading.htm
But I agree with special_guest,these videos should be shown around the world before these horrific events start coming to our cities.
Posted by: ImNoDhimmi at February 16, 2008 6:51 AM
On the BBC website, the main news story for the Middle East is "UN shocked by 'grim' life in Gaza"
Posted by: Celsius at February 16, 2008 6:51 AM
about whether we really are the "evil racist Islamophobic Crusader colonial imperialists" that we keep hearing about
Oh no, that would be absurd. I mean, only this entire website is for the purpose of bashing islam
and it's run by a Catholic. What does islamophobia have to do with racism? Nothing.
Except for the sand monkeys of course, but how is that evil?
For you to be evil you would first have to kill hundreds of thousands of people over fictional WMD.
The person in this video is Abu Sulayman al-عUtaybi may Allah protect him. He is a Shariعa scholar in the Islamic State of Iraq
I would also remind you that placing female underwear on prisoners' faces is not the worst thing the Crusaders have done.
They have actually beheaded civilians with bombs, and burned Iraqis alive with incendiary agents.
Quoting U.S. Colonel Randolph Alles:
"The generals love napalm. It has a big psychological effect."
at February 16, 2008 7:19 AM
Oh those men were still alive alright. The incidence of Muslim victims fighting back in these sick snuff films is very low.
Posted by: Bingo at February 16, 2008 7:46 AM
I would also remind you that placing female underwear on prisoners' faces is not the worst thing the Crusaders have done.
They have actually beheaded civilians with bombs, and burned Iraqis alive with incendiary agents.
Posted by: jaguar_b_p [TypeKey Profile Page] at February 16, 2008 7:19 AM
See there it is again. Westerners don't fight fair.
We are supposed to get down to the level of the other side.
HAND TO HAND, SWORD TO SWORD. Not stand off and fight with superior weapons.
We are soo bad.
at February 16, 2008 8:17 AM
Darcy,
Wow. Shirien is an idiot, but her latest offering defies logical reality.
How can this person actually pass classes in any college?
I would love to see her 3rd quarter grades.
Regards,
awake
Posted by: awake at February 15, 2008 11:55 PM
Darcy,
as a side note, all of my comments get through moderation, and they are certainly not pro-Islam.
Posted by: awake at February 15, 2008 11:56 PM
Hi awake - yes, I've seen your astute comments. However, it is well-known that censorship against "un-PC" comments re Islam/Mo/Koran rules at this university 'paper. As it does at many college papers these days. At any rate, it appears she's being boycotted! All of 2 comments on this "al-Qaeda" column! This for someone who used to receive hundreds of comments. I do believe she's become so outrageous in her "Islam is Fabulous" stance that she's being boycotted. That is great. Very deserving. Once I quoted some of the many murder-verses directly from the K and characterized them as "hate speech," which they are. You guessed it - not printed.
See ya, awake. Hope you're doin' great!
Posted by: darcy at February 16, 2008 8:43 AM
Burned alive?
You ain't seen nothing yet.
WARNING: the most brutal content I have ever seen.
http://hotair.com/archives/2008/02/15/horrendous-al-qaeda-in-iraq-burns-prisoners-alive/
Posted by: awake at February 16, 2008 12:25 AM
It's been taken down, awake. Not that I could have watched this "brutal content" you're referencing. However, the beheading is still available - sorry, I just couldn't click on it.
Posted by: darcy at February 16, 2008 8:48 AM
And we need to face reality, or one day we will be watching these acts not on a video, but in front of our very eyes, and it will be our own families.
Posted by: special_guest at February 16, 2008 2:15 AM
First they came for the Danish Cartoonists...
Posted by: darcy at February 16, 2008 8:51 AM
"only this entire website is for the purpose of bashing islam" --posted by jaguar
The purpose of this site is to expose the truth about Islam/Mo/Koran.
In addition, there are MANY things in this cruel, brutal and imperfect world that DESERVE "bashing." Naziism is one example, Islam is another. Oh, also mass-murderer Mohammed, the Terrorist Manual known as the Koran, and the Terrorist Manifesto known as the ahadith.
Finally, ever heard of freedom of speech? ANYTHING can be "bashed" reviled and repudiated. Including Islam/Mo/Koran. Ya dig?
Posted by: darcy at February 16, 2008 8:59 AM
jaguar_b_p,
I would also remind you that placing female underwear on prisoners' faces is not the worst thing the Crusaders have done. They have actually beheaded civilians with bombs, and burned Iraqis alive with incendiary agents.
That's called "Collateral Damage", dumbass. It happens when 7th century morglodytes hijack planes and fly them into buildings.
Quoting U.S. Colonel Randolph Alles:
"The generals love napalm. It has a big psychological effect."
Whatever works.
Posted by: Concerned Citizen at February 16, 2008 10:17 AM
Last year, CNN did a story on a little 5-year-old (Muslim) boy from Baghdad named Youssif, who was grabbed by Iraqi insurgents on the street outside his house, doused in Benzene, and lit on fire.
CNN Video / "Rescuing Youssif"
Since this time, Youssif has been brought to America and has undergone several surgeries to bring back his facial features.
If these are the animals that did this to Youssif, then I think al-Qaeda finally did something good for humanity, and I don't have a problem with it.
Posted by: Lori B. at February 16, 2008 10:52 AM
I think I would prefer to be waterboarded.
Posted by: TheOmegaMan at February 16, 2008 10:52 AM
Not that it matters, but I think the man being beheaded was already dead. There was no arterial spray. Had he been alive, the kid would have been nearly as bloody (and there would almost certainly have been blood on his face) as his victim.
I believe this was desecration of a corpse. For all we know, this could have been one of their own, who consented to have his body used in such "training", (a dying will?).
It's dispicable, horrible, disgusting, sickening, and any other number of things, and whether he was dead or alive, it's inexcusable.
Human beings don't behave in that way. We've evolved. This is why Islamic arguments about the Crusades, the Salem Witch Trials, the atrocities visited upon aboriginal Americans, etc. don't hold water. We (infidels) don't do these things anymore!
Posted by: Abscedere at February 16, 2008 10:54 AM
Abscedere, I don't believe you should classify the Crusades in the same category as your other examples.
The Crusades began because Mohammedans were murdering Christian pilgrims to the Holy Land. The Crusades were defensive. And actually were 100 years too late.
Not the same as the insanity of Salem and the near-genocide of Native Americans.
Posted by: darcy at February 16, 2008 11:04 AM
Concerned Citizen - what is a "morglodyte?"!
Posted by: darcy at February 16, 2008 11:05 AM
Darcy,
An appellation of disgusting monstrous half humans I thought I had retrieved from memories of a B-movie sci-fi flick which I currently can't document.
Posted by: Concerned Citizen at February 16, 2008 11:27 AM
I would also remind you that placing female underwear on prisoners' faces is not the worst thing the Crusaders have done.
Posted by: jaguar_b_p
Oh, get over yourself! The Crusades are over. They ended quite a long time ago.
The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan are not "Crusades". The Crusades were "holy wars". No one of my acquaintance regards the current wars to be holy, in any way. They are not being justified by saying that they're holy, nor do the US military enter the arena wearing the Templars' Cross, nor do they carry a cross as their standard.
Before you use such silly epithets as "Crusaders", you might want to do a bit of research into what a real Crusader actually was.
at February 16, 2008 11:33 AM
Are morglodytes cousins of troglodytes?
Posted by: ImNoDhimmi at February 16, 2008 11:35 AM
Darcy,
I include the Crusades only because the enemy includes them in nearly every diatribe. The list was a group of: "well your religions are bad too", that often turns up in the enemy's justifications of their brutality.
Re LSU newspaper article, the author is losing her touch, if she ever had one to begin with. Her transition from our being (supposedly) terrorized by our own officials, to "don't blame Al Qaeda" is, journalistically speaking, no transition at all. It's bumpy enough to deploy the airbags.
It doesn't take a good writer to recognize a good writer, and this gal's writing stinks.
Posted by: Abscedere at February 16, 2008 11:48 AM
That's called "Collateral Damage", dumbass. It happens when 7th century morglodytes hijack planes and fly them into buildings.
I'm pretty sure you've heard this before, but Iraq actually wasn't behind the blessed raids on New York and Washington.
@Abscedere
One post below yours, Darcy is reprimanding you for distancing yourself from the Crusades. Does that tell you anything?
I'm sure you mean what you say, but you have to understand that you are surrounded by another kind of people.
This is what I read last week from some American genius:
We have help from the almighty.
Continue to call on Him.
Gods angels are two to one over Satans.
If you are in His grace there will be at least one assigned to you.
Fear God and pray for the enemy they will fall.
Victory is ours. It is already written in the New Testament
what is to come. Aren't you glad the radical terrorists have not read the entire written word of God.
No one of my acquaintance regards the current wars to be holy, in any way.
Then your acquaintances do not include Lt. Colonel Gareth Brandl, who informes us:
"The enemy has a face. He is called Satan. He lives in Fallujah."
Posted by: jaguar_b_p at February 16, 2008 12:12 PM
"blessed raids"
Posted by: jaguar_b_p
Thank you for revealing your true sentiments. That one phrase speaks so many volumes.
There sure were a lot of Al-Qaeda in Iraq, still are. (I'm not saying we should be there. I'm of the opinion that Muslims should have cleaned up their own mess.) Saddam's associations with terrorists, though under-reported and even denied by the MSM, were clear. Repeating for the intellectually deaf, civilians were not targeted by the West. That's what the spawn of your creed does.
Posted by: Concerned Citizen at February 16, 2008 12:24 PM
There is no reason to support jaguars position and no reason to support his path to salvation. It's all BS jaguar, and it is our duty to oppose it.
If you don't want to see more innocent deaths, then surrender. Give it up. Many dhimmi's in the west may go for your tripe, but not the posters here. Your brothers have never scored one point here, and neither will you. Just give up. Go to mosque and ask Allah to forgive you for failing. You will feel much better...
at February 16, 2008 12:49 PM
"the blessed raids on New York and Washington." --posted by jaguar the Mohammedan Barbarian who calls mass-murder "blessed."
Wow, you're not even just a godless Barbarian, jag the Mohammedan, you're evil.
Bravo Crusades! Begun to stop the murders of Christian pilgrims to the Holy Land by Mohammedans. Bravo 732 and 1683! Now, in the early 21st century, Pisslam has reared it's ugly, barbaric head once again, and must be stopped.
I pity you, jagged Mohammedan with your "blessed raids" i.e. 9/11. You're evil.
You should see my MOOhammed Bear, jagged, -it's a thing of beauty!
Posted by: darcy at February 16, 2008 1:07 PM
Darcy,
I include the Crusades only because the enemy includes them in nearly every diatribe. The list was a group of: "well your religions are bad too", that often turns up in the enemy's justifications of their brutality.
Right. Thanks, Abscedere.
Posted by: darcy at February 16, 2008 1:09 PM
Call me a Crusader! Thanks for the compliment!
Posted by: darcy at February 16, 2008 1:13 PM
"Bravo Crusades! Begun to stop the murders of Christian pilgrims to the Holy Land by Mohammedans. Bravo 732 and 1683!"
Posted by: darcy
Hear, hear! Bravo!
Posted by: Concerned Citizen at February 16, 2008 1:46 PM
Jaguar _b_p said, “Oh no, that would be absurd. I mean, only this entire website is for the purpose of bashing islam
and it's run by a Catholic.”
Actually the website seems to be dedicated to exposing the ACTIONS and TENANTS of the followers of Mohamet. If the DISDAIN, CONTEMPT and REVULSION these engender in most people disturb you, perhaps you should endeavor to help those that “misunderstand” so much or Mohammedanism ideology and do these vile actions.
Jaguar _b_p said, “What does islamophobia have to do with racism? Nothing.”
You’re right “Islamophobia” is first a word that is made up.
The root of the suffix is from the Greek word “Phobia”: This is a physiological disorder with an irrational fear of something. It doesn’t seem irrational to have concerns about the ideology of Mohammedanism.
The root of the prefix is from the Arabic word “Islam” which they use for a title of the tenants of Mohamet : This means “Peace through submission to Allah”. I don’t subscribe to the view that there is “Peace” in these tenants, so I refrain from using this word.
And since a “religion” is not a race, you are absolutely correct in stating that racism has nothing to do with criticism of Mohammedanism tenants or the actions of its adherents.
Jaguar _b_p said, “Except for the sand monkeys of course, but how is that evil?”
Now just who are you calling “sand monkeys”? And why are these “sand monkeys” evil? Oh wait, I see you’re inferring racism on all those that criticize Mohammedanism. Isn’t it racism to claim that only one race can be members of a religion? Or are you stating that only Arabs truly can be members of Mohammedanism? And there fore the Mohammedans of Dufar Africa will never be Mohammedan enough and should be subject to the penalties proscribe for apostasy? (This doesn’t really help with your Dawa efforts.)
Jaguar _b_p said, “For you to be evil you would first have to kill hundreds of thousands of people over fictional WMD.”
First the numbers of dead in Iraq are tragic, as are the numbers of Hindus in Kashmir, Russians in Chechnya, Philippians in the Philippines, Thais in Thailand, Timorians in East Timor, and Aussies in Bali. But the question for your “numbers is are you counting the people slaughtered by the Mohammedan as casualty figures to be used against coalition forces, very deceitful, oh wait, that would be a form of Taqqiya.
As for fictional WMD; Saddam had his intelligence agencies conducting a massive operation to give the impression that he still had a viable WMD program to Iran. He was also trying to keep as much dual use material and capability to restart his programs, is it any wonder that he had duped not only the Iranians, but every Intelligence Agency in the world. Good Job Saddam!
Jaguar _b_p said, “The person in this video is Abu Sulayman al-عUtaybi may Allah protect him. He is a Shariعa scholar in the Islamic State of Iraq”
Here you admit that not only are these Mohammedan NOT “misunderstanding” their religion, but one of them is a so called “scholar”. So this video is a clear example of Mohammedan behavior.
Jaguar _b_p said, “I would also remind you that placing female underwear on prisoners' faces is not the worst thing the Crusaders have done.”
Oh my… I do believe that the hazing required to join a college fraternity is far worse then a “panty party”. Such delicate sensibilities, perhaps roasting a few babies on beds of rice or having a live barbecue of some humans would calm the nerves.
And once again, THE CRUSADES were a defensive military action by a coalition of forces after centuries of Maniac Mohammedan aggression. And calling the coalition forces CRUSADERS only shows that this is indeed nothing more then another defensive actions after yet more aggressions from Maniac Mohammedans. You can do no more to justify the actions of coalition forces then calling them this.
Jaguar _b_p said, “They have actually beheaded civilians with bombs, and burned Iraqis alive with incendiary agents.”
Civilians have always died by mistake in western wars. But to Mohammedan only they are innocent civilians and this includes the idiots with the bomb vests, after all, they are just on the way to met “Allah”.
Your attempt to link the use of battlefield ordinance with Mohammedan “scholars” having human barbecues is a weak argument and totally disingenuous.
Quoting U.S. Colonel Randolph Alles:
"The generals love napalm. It has a big psychological effect."
Seems the Colonel has been reading his Sun-Tzu, that’s his job; to understand warfare and to conduct it efficiently.
Here’s a couple of quotes for you of another U.S. General William T. Sherman.
“War is the remedy our enemies have chosen, and I say give them all they want.”
“War is cruelty. There is no use trying to reform it. The crueler it is, the sooner it will be over.”
“Every attempt to make war easy and safe will result in humiliation and disaster.”
“If the people raise a great howl against my barbarity and cruelty, I will answer that war is war, and not popularity seeking.”
General W.T. Sherman seems to have a firm grasp of the realities of warfare.
Perhaps you can convince your co-religionist to lay down their arms, instead of insisting that we roll over and die.
at February 16, 2008 3:33 PM
Burned alive? What a soulless act of barbarism. Lord have mercy.
Posted by: champ at February 16, 2008 7:48 PM
Lord have mercy.
Posted by: champ at February 16, 2008 7:48 PM
Our Lord does have mercy, champ, as you know.
Allah does not. All that "merciful, compassionate" crap in the hoax Qur'an is just that - crap. Made up by Con Man Mo. "Allah" is cruel and barbaric through and through, the souless pagan moon-god that doesn't exist.
Jesus is God.
Allah is Not.
Posted by: darcy at February 16, 2008 8:03 PM
I felt faint watching that video.
The sickest thing about it was that the large crowd of boys and girls around the twelve year old, slaughtering that man like a sheep at EID (it's practice) were all as young or younger than the throat cutter. And they just watched without flinching. More practice.
EID ritual slaughter needs to be outlawed.
How can the UK, which won't allow violent movies, allow this EID slaughter to be happening?
Posted by: Borg at February 17, 2008 12:24 AM
And if all those jihadi's looking for marytrdom hadn't poured into Iraq the war would have been over quickly and the coalition troops would have left just as fast. Shameful defeat for the muslims, small loss of life of mostly fighters. But now thousands of muslims are being killed by muslims who don't even live there.
Muslims murdering muslims.
The Saudi's are sending them there so they can get them off their own backs. They play a masterful game of chess. Others don't even realize there is a game board set up.
Bush never would have looked to the middle east at all if it had not been for 9/11. He probably didn't even know where it was on the map.
Posted by: Borg at February 17, 2008 12:38 AM
testing...where is my previous post?
Posted by: Kinana of Khaybar at February 17, 2008 5:23 AM
Robert cites the "don't punish (anyone) with Allah's punishment" hadith as indicating, or as possibly suggesting the impression to some, that Muslims are not permitted by Islamic law to burn people.
I am not sure that burning non-Muslims, hypocrites, apostates, and others, is against any specific Islamic law. Perhaps Robert knows some specific restrictions. However, there are, as Robert knows, precedents in the Hadith and Sira showing clearly that Muhammad allowed Muslims to burn people and to use burning as punishment, torture, etc. This suggests that burning people is permitted in Islam in general, in jihad, or as punishment.
The statement that Muslims should not punish with Allah's punishment is also dubious because because the Quran states that Allah delivers punishment through the hands of the Muslims (8:17, 9:14, 9:52, 47:4). Indeed, if Allah did not use some people (Muslims) to keep others (non-Muslims) in check, the world would be full of mischief/corruption (fasad) (2:251). Muslims cannot will unless Allah wills (76:29-31).
The hadith which Robert cites also suggests that punishing by the sword is permitted. But punishing by the sword is also Allah's punishment, expressed through the hands of believers (9:14; 9:5). That a punishment is "Allah's" then does not imply that Muslims cannot carry it out in Allah's Cause. On the contrary, Muslims are expected to carry out Allah's punishments on Earth.
The most well-known incident involved the torture and execution of Kinana of Khaybar.
"The apostle of Allah handed him over to al‑Zubayr, saying, 'Torture him until he tells what he knows', and al‑Zubayr kindled a fire on his chest so that he almost expired; then the apostle gave him to Muhammad b. Maslama, who struck off his head."
http://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles/sira/20.htm
Of course, apologists have scrambled to deny the credibility of this story (e.g., see the Islamic-propagandist entry in Wikipedia on this), like anything else from the Hadith or Sira which causes embarrassment for Islam's public relations people nowadays.
Then there is this:
In Sahih Muslim Book 40, Number 6853, Muhammad is quoted as saying: "[...]Verily, Allah commanded me to burn (kill) the Quraish [...]"
http://www.iiu.edu.my/deed/hadith/muslim/040_smt.html
Other examples:
-Muhammad threatened that all the homes of those who failed to attend prayers would be burned.
-Muhammad also ordered the burning of the opposition mosque, while people were inside it.
-Jurists, using the Quran, Hadith, and Sira, arrived at the conclusion that it was lawful to burn the disbelievers and kill them, even if there are women and children among them (this is stated by Taymiyyah, Ghazali, and others). A precedent for this was Muhammad's attack on Ta'if.
-from the Hanafi book of jurisprudence, the Hedayah (see Jihad entry): "[...]"If the infidels, upon receiving the call, neither consent to it nor agree to pay capitation tax, it is then incumbent on the Muslims to call upon God for assistance, and to make war upon them, because God is the assistant of those who serve Him, and the destroyer of His enemies, the infidels, and it is necessary to implore His aid upon every occasion; the Prophet, moreover, commands us so to do. And having so done, the Muslims must then with God's assistance attack the infidels with all manner of warlike engines (as the Prophet did by the people of Ta'if), and must also set fire to their habitations (in the same manner as the Prophet fired Baweera), and must inundate them with water and tear up their plantations and tread down their grain because by these means they will become weakened, and their resolution will fail and their force be broken; these means are, therefore, all sanctified by the law."
http://www.answering-islam.org/Books/Hughes/j.htm
-As Ibn Warraq notes, it was also a historical practice of some Muslims to punish (kill) apostates through burning, among numerous other gruesome methods.
There may be many other examples in the Sira and Hadith that I've either overlooked or forgotten.
As we all now know, burning things (cars, homes, churches, mosques, embassies, effigies, flags) and people (disobedient wives, elderly women, et al.) in retaliation for un-Islamic or non-Muslims' expressions and actions is very popular among some Muslims throughout the world today. If this is all against Islamic law, these Muslims must truly be misunderstanding their leaders, clerics, texts, and laws.
at February 17, 2008 5:29 AM
How can the UK, which won't allow violent movies, allow this EID slaughter to be happening?
Posted by: Borg at February 17, 2008 12:24 AM
Because for some reason the Brits are surrendering themselves to the Barbarians.
Posted by: darcy at February 17, 2008 11:08 AM
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