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Parviz Khan Update: a transcript of this Muslim in Britain asserting that for a Muslim to join the British Army is forbidden, and planning to kill to demonstrate the seriousness of this.
"'They'll say they killed one of our soldiers. These people will go crazy,'" by Vikram Dodd for The Guardian (thanks to all who sent this in):
MI5 has released a transcript of a bugged conversation between two men discussing a plot to kidnap and murder a British Muslim soldier. The transcript is from a recording made on November 6 2006, between Parviz Khan (PK), who pleaded guilty to hatching the plot, and Basiru Gassama (BG), who admitted failing to inform the authorities.PK: You have to, you want to go to Islamic countries, with, fight with kuffar [non-believers] against Muslims? OK, I have some brothers there. Maybe you, maybe some other brothers speak Arabic. We give like a (Bis), we give the judgment, well then cut it out/off like you cut a pig, man
BG: Would you wear this, man?
PK: Like that, I think you cut it out/off like you cut a pig. Then you put it on a stick and we say, this is to all Muslimee, man, we likes to, we want to join the kuffar army, this is what will happen to you. Then we throw the body, burn it, send the video to the chacha, the chacha can release it there. These people gonna go crazy. Didn't say the chacha, he do this in the other country he release it there. Where is the chacha? He could be next door, he could be upstairs, he could be downstairs. These people will go crazy, man.
BG: So what happens? True man.
PK: These people will go mad. This is what they call you will terrorise them, they will go crazy. They will start searching. Are they London, Birmingham, Newcastle, where are these people? They killed one of our soldiers in country. They've gone into countries, they're in our countries. They'll go crazy, Achi.
BG: True man.
PK: Then all these other people who slowly joining the British army, these Pakistani, these Afghan, these Gambia. They gonna say, no man, I don't want that. Look like, chop him up, man! We don't to join this army. At least we can stop them from doing the haram. We, first, we give them da'wa. Don't join the army, it is haram. Wait til you go into kuffar. They're not listening. So now we have to use force. Obviously, if they were insa'an they would listen to our word and listen to the ...
Posted by Robert at February 19, 2008 7:07 AM
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The religion of peace? That's right, these are just a tiny extremist, radical, jihadist, misunderstanders of Islam. Nothing to worry about, move along, nothing to see.
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at February 19, 2008 8:19 AM
Why does this conversation read like two guys hitting the "herb" a little heavy? I can visualize two guys sitting on a couch, passing the "fattie" between the two having this type of conversation.
"Yeah man. Power to the umma man. Hey don't hog the ganja man. I don't get the check from the man till next week, man. This has to last."
at February 19, 2008 9:03 AM
I'm surprised. Why wouldn't they want people to join the Army? What better way to defeat the enemy than from the inside? You go on campaigns against the umma and make sure they fail. You kill your supervisors, as happened in Kuwait with an American Muslim soldier.
These guys need better instruction in Islam. They are definitely among the "misunderstanders". They don't know how to fight the infidel. They don't understand that war is deceit. What better way to deceive your enemy than to pretend you're on his side?
at February 19, 2008 11:17 AM
Obviously, if they were insa'an they would listen to our word ....
Yes, they'd have to be insane to listen to you...
Posted by: Lt. Presley O'Bannon at February 19, 2008 11:20 AM
In the US, they can apply for Conscientious Objector status for religious reasons. Just like the Quakers and Amish?
at February 19, 2008 12:21 PM
One of the vast majority of moderate Muslims said:
These people will go mad. This is what they call you will terrorise them, they will go crazy. They will start searching. Are they London, Birmingham, Newcastle, where are these people? They killed one of our soldiers in country. They've gone into countries, they're in our countries. They'll go crazy, Achi.
Hmmm, insinuating their way into someone's homeland and place of security, and then using deception to attack and kill people inside. I wonder where they would get an idea like that?
Tabari VII:100 “Every time I opened a door, I shut it behind me from the inside, saying to myself, ‘If they become aware, they will not have time to stop me from killing him.’ When I reached Rafi, he was in a dark room with his family. As I did not know where he was in the room, I said, ‘O Abu Rafi.’ When he replied, I proceeded toward the voice and gave him a blow with my sword. He shouted and I came back, pretending to be a helper. I said, ‘O Abu,’ changing the tone of my voice. He asked me, ‘I don’t know who came to strike me with his sword.’ Then I drove my sword into his belly and pushed it forcibly till it touched the bone. I hit him again and covered him with wounds, but I could not kill him, so I thrust the point of my sword into his stomach until it came out through his back. At that, I knew that I had killed him [in front of his wife and children]. I came out, filled with puzzlement, and went towards a ladder in order to get down but I fell into a moonlit night and sprained my foot. I bound it with my turban and moved on. I came to my companions and said, ‘By Allah, I will not leave till I hear the wailing of their women.’ So, I did not move till I heard them crying for the Jewish merchant. I said, ‘Deliverance! Allah has killed Abu Rafi.’ I got up, feeling no ailment, and proceeded till we came upon the Prophet and informed him.”
Posted by: special_guest at February 19, 2008 12:34 PM
Muslim Manifesto
The ideas in the The Muslim Manifesto: A Strategy for Survival launched the Muslim Parliament. Authored primarily by Kalim Siddiqui, the Manifesto declared:
"It is a matter of deep regret that the Government, all political parties and the mass media in Britain are now engaged in a relentless campaign to reduce Muslim citizens of this country to the status of a disparaged and oppressed minority. We have no alternative but to resist this invidious campaign."
The Muslim Manifesto made it clear that "Political and cultural subservience goes against their grain" because "at its inception Islam created a political platform from which Muslims were to launch themselves on a global role as founders of great states, empires and a world civilization and culture."
http://www.blogger.com/post-edit.g?blogID=20328517&postID=6505208430985829006
Posted by: shiva at February 19, 2008 1:08 PM
OOOps wrong link
http://illustratedpig.blogspot.com/2008/02/gathering-of-cockroaches.html
Posted by: shiva at February 19, 2008 3:44 PM
I had a haram and cheese sandwich for lunch today.
Posted by: Bingo at February 20, 2008 12:57 AM
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