Uh, Robert.....

It worked for OJ.

Posted by: Agent Maxwell Smart at February 20, 2008 6:56 AM

Robert remarks, summarising some
incoming news, that: "it seems that the arresting officer in South Carolina, who found pipe bomb materials in the trunk of the car being driven by Ahmed Mohamed and Youseff Megahed, said, "Damn terrorist. I think they're part of the **** Taliban....Maybe they're gonna practice the suicide bombing here."'

Who says? The witnesses to the arrest are: the two arrestees, and the two cops. So: has the cop agreed that he said this? - has his fellow cop said that he said it? Or is it M1 and/or M2?

I doubt that anyone was recording what anybody said.

We have the word of two [non-Mohammedan] cops, over against the word of two Mohammedans who have been caught a. violating traffic regulations and b. with highly suspicious materials in their car (from the sound of it, the remarks, IF the officer made them, were prompted by the discovery of the explosives).

If the two cops say that the arresting officer said nothing of the kind, while M1 and/or M2 are vowing and declaring he did, my own strong inclination would be (given everything we know about Mohammedans and lying, in particular, taqiyya to get oneself out of tight places) to disbelieve the Mohammedans.

As for finding a Quran suspicious - maybe the officer had seen/ heard one too many news items about previously nominal non-aggressive good Muslim boys 'getting religion' and subsequently becoming jihadis.

Quick: somebody find out who these two cops are, and send them a copy of Islam 101, from this very site; a copy of PIG to Islam and the Crusades; and maybe a printout of Ali Sina on 1. the absence of the Golden Rule in Islam, and 2. Lying/ taqiyya in Islam.

Posted by: dumbledoresarmy at February 20, 2008 7:17 AM

Americans are good natured, simplistic and stupid.

At least Amed Bedier thinks they are.

That's why he does the usual Muhammedan song and dance:

'I need a hijaab, to set me free, I need a hijaab, for my identity..'

Posted by: sheik yer'mami at February 20, 2008 7:22 AM

If, as we all know, "that's not a race, that's a religion" then how can the cop be racist?

Posted by: PMK at February 20, 2008 8:15 AM

Debbie Schlussel's report said both of these "naive kids" each had Koran's on their laps when they were stopped.
http://www.debbieschlussel.com/archives/2008/02/brand_spankin_n.html#comments

Bedier and defense attorneys are apparently trying to fool the infidel judge into believing that since the "Holy" koran was found in such close proximity to the naive kids, they were getting inspiration from all that Koranic peacefulness and love found throughout, making it less likely these peaceful naive kids would ever consider violent acts of terrorism.

Since it looks like the defense and Bedier are raising this to imply that possession of the "peaceful" Koran makes it less likely that 2 naive kids would ever contemplate violent acts, the State ought to simply rebut that by showing how having the Koran makes it MORE LIKELY, by reading into the record every single violent Koranic verse that calls muslims to fight "in the cause of Allah" against the infidel, with special emphasis on those verses that are relied upon by the jihadist leaders (OBL,et. al).

Posted by: USorThem at February 20, 2008 8:37 AM

Terrorists with pipe bombs might get off scott free because the arresting officers was debating weather they were terrorists with pipe bombs...wtf?

This racial profiling law is ridiculous...it's going to get somebody killed.

Posted by: mrockroll1969 at February 20, 2008 8:44 AM

'"Damn terrorist. I think they're part of the **** Taliban....Maybe they're gonna practice the suicide bombing here."'

Okay, let me see if I understand this. The cop is a racist. Is that because terrorists are a race? Or is it because the Taliban is a race? Both?

Looks to me like the very people crying, "Racist!"
are the racists for implying that the cop is correct, when he noted the M&M's race as Islamic (if he did so).

Posted by: Abscedere at February 20, 2008 9:10 AM

FYI, the comments made by the arresting officers were recorded on by the video cameras that most police officers have in their cars. The comments were played on Fox 13 Tampa Bay for all to hear.

I see nothing racist or inappropriate about the comments that I heard. Their words were perhaps...indelicate... but these are cops on the front lines dealing with violence. They shouldn't have to be PC. They were simply voicing their reasonable suspicions based on what they found. No islamophobia here, just good police work. Mohammed has already admitted to creating bomb-making videos for jihadists. What more do we need to know?

On the video clip, the reporter could hardly contain his disbelief that police officers would actually associate two young Muslim males with a laptop, a Quran, and pipe bombs in the trunk with terrorism. When I watch the news I'm not interested in the reporters opinion, I just want the facts. And their continued use of Ahmed Bedier (who flip flops all over the place with his position on these two young terrorist wannabees)as a self-appointed spokesperson for Muslims is highly questionable. Last I heard CAIR isn't exactly awash in support from US Muslims.

On the other hand, every time Bedier appears on TV and opens his mouth about "racism" and "bigotry" and "racial profiling" he might as well be sticking his thumb in the eye of the average American. Helping his fellow Muslims, he isn't.

Posted by: cumulusnine at February 20, 2008 9:14 AM

When they truck out Bedier, one already knows what song the puppet of Mohammed will sing.

Posted by: dgene at February 20, 2008 10:12 AM

Nobody is more bigoted than moslems.
The whole point of their religion is "us vs. them".

Posted by: interestinconundrum at February 20, 2008 10:14 AM

Ahmed Bedier, Fibraham Hooper etc.

Have you noticed that the Islamicists always trot out the fat guys when they are singing the victim song?

Are they tenors?

Posted by: credit man at February 20, 2008 10:25 AM

Let's see - Qur'ans, a laptop on a jihadist website and pipe bombs.

I think the cop got it right.

Posted by: tanstaafl at February 20, 2008 10:36 AM

The racial profiling gig has evolved over the past decade thanks to the NAACP, and the ACLU, but it ends up being another part of the warped perversion of multiculturalism, and political correctness.

Officers in the field today are required to fill out a form regarding the race of a person who is getting a citation so that statistical data can be looked at to see if there is any evidence of racial profiling in patrol officers ticket citing practices.

In regards to the arrests of Ahmed Mohamed, and Youseff Megahed; the officer or officers are trained to observe everything that is visible to them and document it into their report and into their evidence if necessary. Also there are search and seizure rules that come into play when an officer sees,hears,or even smells possible evidence that might allow him to search what is not visible to the naked eye. Because a vehicle is capable of transporting contraband or can be used to commit a crime. there is a less need to request a warrant for a search of the vehicle ( though it is helpful in avoiding the pit falls of the search and seizure laws) which are constantly evolving because of so many variable as to how evidence was obtained. The usual chain of events would be; For example, what would lead a prudent and reasonable observing officer to form a feeling that there maybe more going on here than his first observations. And end up establishing his suspicions in a reasonable discovered chain of evidence. Vehicles don't have the same right to privacy protections that you would have in your home.

Posted by: Mackie at February 20, 2008 11:12 AM

The cops may have made dumb remarks,
But why should that matter when the two "naive kids" fit right into what the cop said and it turned out to be true.
Amed Bedier should cut the crap "naive kids”, what a joke.

Posted by: Joe Schmoe USA at February 20, 2008 11:25 AM

I just removed a patently offensive comment from this thread, "USF Muslim students trying to get bomb evidence thrown out, say cop was racist."

I am accumulating evidence that such comments are planted here by provocateurs, so as to discredit this site. The most notorious example of this was a comment left here last summer that was up on this site for about an hour -- long enough for the Council on American Islamic Relations to snag it, so that Ibrahim Hooper could use it to sandbag Dennis Prager on the Paula Zahn show that night, acting as if I had written it and asking Prager to denounce me accordingly.

If you advocate the violent suppression of those with whom you disagree, you are not welcome here, and that is not what we are about. I ask all readers of good will (and of course I know that isn't all of you), and all people who want to defend human rights and human freedoms from jihad violence and Islamic supremacism, to alert me immediately at director@jihadwatch.org about comments that are genocidal, advocating vigilantism, racist, etc., if you see them here, and I will remove them.

The comment I just removed was up on the site for no longer than ten minutes. It will be exceedingly interesting to see if it pops up in a CAIR press release.

Posted by: jihadwatch at February 20, 2008 11:27 AM

So now terrorists have their own "race"?

Posted by: profitsbeard at February 20, 2008 11:55 AM

Constant vigilance is the price of liberty! I will alert you on any "provoking" posts that I see.

Posted by: tanstaafl at February 20, 2008 12:00 PM

CAIR has begun a full on assault against blogs that deal with islam.
LGF is under attack now, along with Gateway Pundit.
Isn't it funny how moslems can call for the overthrow of our system of government, "behead those who insult islam", etc., but vent inappropriately on a blog, and the FBI is on the job.

Posted by: interestinconundrum at February 20, 2008 12:13 PM

Law inforcement is constantly under scrutiny in regards to our over reaching sensitive sensibilities when it comes to multiculturalism.
They have to be careful in dealing with ethnicity,race,religion,and sexual orientation.

But how do you spot a possible terrorist? Well it is impossible to deny the need for profiling as one aspect of a lead up to evidence. The most important evidence is what fully defined Ahmed Mohamed and Youseff Megahed as possible terrorists,not their religion . The race charge is and should be treated as nonsensical window dressing and it shows how desperate the defense is when it addresses such an issue in the face of so much overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

If we lose this case than the judge is not addressing the biggest concern of a terrorist attack.

This is another reason why we don't have trials in the US for suspects in GTMO.

Posted by: Mackie at February 20, 2008 12:23 PM

What exactly were these guys going to do with those pipe bombs anyway...Play 'hopscotch'???? I thought pipe bombs were WEAPONS. Silly me!

So when did Islam become a "race"??? And since when did the 'race' issue take priority over the safety of the public??? Without human life first there could be no race; so obviously this "racist" argument is WRONG. Safety of the public must ALWAYS come first to protect all races --Islamic and otherwise!

By the way, Muslims are usually racists themselves as some may have noticed in places like Darfur and Chad or Nigeria...

Anyone caught in terror activities should probably be shot by the police on sight.

Posted by: pythagoras at February 20, 2008 1:56 PM

This makes me wonder what's the latest on that weird terrorist arrest in NYC where the guy was living with a college professor and they found pipe bombs in the apartment.

Posted by: Yehudit at February 20, 2008 2:02 PM

All this false muslim 'victimhood', needs stamping on!
Hard!

We need to educate all non-muslims about how this muslim 'victimhood' tactic is commonly used, as part of the Jihad, against, naive, 'soft touch', non-muslims.
http://members.dodo.com.au/~wtt626/troublewithislam2.html#ISLAMIC_victimhood

And non-muslims are always being labled 'racist' by devout muslims [in the West].
This is a very common tactic.
Denigrating non-muslims, *because* non-muslims are *scrutinising* ISLAM / muslims.

And when devout muslims use this tactic, our best reponse is to expose the *TRUTH*.
....we should 'put up a mirror' reflecting back towards muslims, their own hatred of non-muslims.
Exposing this TRUTH, *for all to see*.

e.g. ....
"There are only two races in the world, the decent and the indecent."
http://members.dodo.com.au/~wtt626/troublewithislam2.html#There_are_only_two_races_in_the_world

Posted by: Ezekiel2012 at February 20, 2008 3:33 PM

cumulusnine -

thanks for the information above, about the police recordings. I stand corrected. I didn't know that (obviously I haven't caught up with all the marvels of modern policing, somehow my imagination is still stuck on PC Plod with his notebook and pencil stub!).

So my thoughts above, to do with the idea that we were having to weigh only the word of the cops over against the word of the students, are obviously irrelevant.

Still, it would be interesting to know *when* the particular remark about 'taliban' and 'suicide bombing' was made - it doesn't really make sense if imagined as something said right out of the blue the moment the guys were pulled over for speeding.

cumulusnine, I second your remarks in your 9:14 posting, and also mackie's remark in the third paragraph of the 11.12 am posting, about police having to use their judgement:
"The usual chain of events would be; For example, what would lead a prudent and reasonable observing officer to form a feeling that there may be more going on here than his first observations. And end up establishing his suspicions in a reasonable discovered chain of evidence."

Recognising someone as a Muslim - after spotting the Quran - is ideological profiling, not racial profiling (just as one might identify a person as a probable neo-Nazi, if one spotted a copy of Mein Kampf and a laptop open to a known Nazi website).

If the cop wrote 'Islamic' in the box labelled 'race of arrestee', then all that shows is that he had been affected by the propaganda campaign to confuse people into thinking that Islam is a race not a religion.

And as Robert pointed out in the initial posting - "If this cop is a vile Bull Connor-type racist, does that make the pipe bomb evidence vanish?" Obvious answer: no, it does not.

Posted by: dumbledoresarmy at February 20, 2008 3:59 PM

When will people wake up to the disingenuous nature of the arguments put forward to defend these terrorists? From racism (apparently Islam is now a race) to Islamophobia (even though a phobia is an irrational fear of something).

Why do people choose not to see this?

Posted by: DaveMate at February 20, 2008 4:41 PM

"of course we all know that's not a race, that's a religion."

No, its not. It's a system of laws, dressed up in religious clothing. Now, is that clear?

Posted by: Emerson Twain at February 20, 2008 5:09 PM

Emerson Twain said....

" "of course we all know that's not a race, that's a religion."
No, its not. It's a system of laws, dressed up in religious clothing. Now, is that clear? "

Right on! Emerson.

ISLAM is not a 'religion', in the sense that non-muslims understand the word, 'religion', .....ISLAM is a cult of *political* tyranny, masquerading as a religion.
ISLAM is not so much a 'religion', as a fractured 'Mafia gang' bent on gaining exclusive influence over all of the 'local turf'.

ISLAM's repertoire....deception, denial, and violence.

Posted by: Ezekiel2012 at February 20, 2008 5:27 PM

addendum...

ISLAM, ...The political party of Allah, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful, masquerading as a 'religion'.

Posted by: Ezekiel2012 at February 20, 2008 5:30 PM

Good grief. What does anyone expect highway police to sound like? They are the kind of people George Orwell praised with his famous

“People sleep peacefully in their beds at night because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.”
Must they also talk to each other like university graduates well studied in political science & religions? Their comments prove nothing about the admissibility of the evidence but I guess their lawyers are hoping the judge is a stupid liberal. I trust he is instead, like me, respectful of these rough men letting us sleep peacefully.

I would hope this minority battered country is well sick & tired of this sort of phony race card playing.

Posted by: FM at February 20, 2008 6:23 PM

...apparently the police officers found a Qur'an in the car and thought that suspicious...

What if the book was a copy of "Mein Kampf" or "The Turner Diaries"; both well known and recognized for disseminating hatred and promoting violence? Would a wise police officer, considering the other contents of the car, not be derelict if he were not suspicious?

Posted by: Mick_n_NYC at February 20, 2008 9:56 PM

Debbie Schlussel's report said both of these "naive kids" each had Koran's on their laps when they were stopped.

If I was the judge in this case I'd give them 10 years extra for following the Koran...

Posted by: sheik yer'mami at February 20, 2008 10:57 PM