'We think it is a very positive step that this state - Muslim majority state - has been created today,' Undersecretary of State Nicholas Burns said Monday.

!@#?!$!?@?

A few more "positive steps" like this and Judeo-Christian civilization is dead.

Posted by: LazarOfSerbia at February 20, 2008 10:00 AM

If the whole world, the United States, the European Union, the majority of its states, have embraced the independence of Kosovo, why shouldn't this happen with southern Sudan as well?

An embattled minority would get self-determination and be free from the Muslim majority, even though the territory has been part of Sudan for [how long?].

Sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.

Posted by: PMK at February 20, 2008 10:12 AM

And of course they're asking for the support of the U.S., since we already dropped that ball with Kosovo.

We can't say no now, can we?

Posted by: Godefroi at February 20, 2008 10:14 AM

The Albanian model will haunt the West.

Thank you Bill - just so you could keep Monica off the front pages - is this how history is made ?

Great legacy .

Posted by: dgene at February 20, 2008 10:15 AM

And to keep with the topic, I don't understand why Israelis are not raging in support of Serbia now. What do they think? Who is next?

Posted by: LazarOfSerbia at February 20, 2008 10:27 AM

"The Palestinians should follow Kosovo's example and unilaterally declare independence if peace talks with Israel fail, a senior Palestinian official said Wednesday..."

Isn't that the exact same thing that the Palestinians have accused Israel of doing: unilaterally act like all is settled?

As Israel is installing its security fence, the Palestinians have continually accused them of trying to unilaterally draw the border.

So when did it become ok to unilaterally do something?

Oh wait, I forgot, it was the Jooos doing it back then. That's why it was wrong, because the Jooos did it. And it right today, because it's the Muslim's doing it.

Posted by: PersonOfTheBook at February 20, 2008 10:27 AM

If the ultra-Orthodox Shas party follows through on its threat, Olmert would lose his parliamentary majority.
..........................................

Well, see, there's your threat to peace--not all the uncontrolled "free-lance" Palestinian violence against Israel, or the continued terrorist mission of the Al-Aqsa Brigades, or the unadressed specter of the even more homicidal Hamas-controlled Gaza.

Posted by: gravenimage at February 20, 2008 10:27 AM

OT, but I'm in shock and awe!

Please read this fabulously un-PC article in of all places the LSU Reveille! Thrilling, really. This is the 'paper with the female Mohammedan columnist who defends Al-Qaeda. I believe she's being boycotted these days!

http://www.lsureveille.com/media/storage/paper868/news/2008/02/20/Opinion/Appeasement.Not.Viable.Strategy.To.Fight.Extremists-3220882.shtml

Posted by: darcy at February 20, 2008 10:28 AM

PMK - good point! If Kosovo can declare an independent state, perhaps Hindus living in Pakistan or Bangladesh can as well! Can Armenians move back in to Turkey and separate from the Muslim state? What about Jews living in the "West Bank"? Kurds should be able to form a Kurdistan out of Iraq, Iran and Turkey.

As you say, sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander?

Hey, what about homosexuals and apostates cutting a chunk out of Iran?

Posted by: tanstaafl at February 20, 2008 10:30 AM

Modest proposal - Mohammed and his successors kicked all the Jews out of the Arabian peninsula. Let the Jews then trade (once and for all time) their right of return to Arabia (esp around Medina) to the Palestinians for the latter's "right of return" to Israel. Then, with all greivances thusly evened out, the Palestinians go to their new home in Saudi Arabia, together with their Muslim brothers and live happily ever after in peace. Just a thought. (Imagine Saudi indignation at a proposal along these lines.)

Posted by: BunrattyBill at February 20, 2008 10:35 AM

dgene:

"The Albanian model will haunt the West."

And not just the West. It sets an horrendous precedent - that any ethnic group that builds up a majority presence within a region of a state will, if it provokes enough belligerence, be allowed to declare independence from that state. It will give succour to the Basque separatists of ETA, to the Tamils in Sri Lanka, and to every other ambitious minority with a grievance.

Posted by: Matamoros at February 20, 2008 10:49 AM

"It will give succour to the Basque separatists of ETA, to the Tamils in Sri Lanka, and to every other ambitious minority with a grievance."

Including those Raza seeking a reconquista in the southwestern U.S.

Posted by: Godefroi at February 20, 2008 10:55 AM

"And to keep with the topic, I don't understand why Israelis are not raging in support of Serbia now. What do they think? Who is next?"
-- LazarOfSerbia

"First they came for the Communists but I was not a Communist so I did not speak out. Then they came for the Socialists and the Trade Unionists but I was not one of them, so I did not speak out. Then they came for the Jews but I was not Jewish so I did not speak out. And when they came for me, there was no one left to speak out for me."
-- Martin Niemoeller

After the Jews, expect the Copts (they keep whining about oppression, after all, making the government look bad, and some of them fail to recognize how lucky they are to be allowed to live as Christians at all), the remaining Armenians (who keep on insisting that they can be both ethnic Armenians and Christians and yet patriotic to Turkey as a nation; that just isn't right and must somehow, somehow be a ruse to get more land away from Turkey), maybe the Maronites, possibly the Christians and Animists in Sudan once the Arabs Muslims there get tired of raping and slaughtering the Black African Muslims.... Then there's the Christians in Europe after their demographics fall making many enclaves in Western Europe Muslim majority.

There's no end to it.

And it started so stupidly! It was long-term ethnic conflict, originally defensive on the side we chose to demonize. Both sides did very bad things over time. Neither was in the right since then. Clinton got involved and taking sides, contra both Russia and contra the side that was originally defensive, in the 1990s. Totally unjustified, and getting involved in Russia's backyard right after they made the major steps in defusing the Cold War to boot!

Mind-numbing injustice. Mind-numbing disregard for self-interest. I are the clocks melting yet? Dodo from the old cartoons must be coming here any second. Because this is so, totally, wacky land.

Posted by: hope_and_justice at February 20, 2008 10:56 AM

To clarify:

Obviously the relation between the situations with Serbia and Israel are different from those of the Armenians and Copts, because the latter involves carvig out Muslim majority states from Muslim majority states.

The overall connection is advancement of area covered by Muslim rule, and the advancement of increasingly strict Islamic rule in such areas.

They're part of the same pattern and connections by the same political interests - covering the world with strict Shariah rule.

The ideology behind why it is so great that now Kosovo's Muslims have their own new Muslim state is the same ideology that supports ensuring Muslims utterly dominate non-Muslims wherever they live.

That's why I jumped from one to the other.

Posted by: hope_and_justice at February 20, 2008 11:02 AM

'Appeasement not viable strategy to fight extremists'-

from a posting above.

Unfortunately we are not fighting extremists. We are fighting Islam, here on this blog and a few others. The rest of the world is oblivious and stuck on stupid.

Just received this e-mail:

Ronbo at the Freedom Fighter’s Journal has posted a suicide note. I have written to him but of course have not received a reply. I have written to other bloggers in an attempt to determine if anyone knows more about him in an effort to try and find him before he commits suicide. The police have been contacted in an attempt to look for him. I suspect that he has already committed suicide as the post was made on the 17th of February. If you know anything about him that you think might help in anyway please contact me.

http://ronbosoldier.blogspot.com/2008/02/ultimate-sacrifice.html

Posted by: sheik yer'mami at February 20, 2008 11:03 AM

BunrattyBill (February 20, 2008 10:35 AM): I like your modest proposal about the "right to return".

I have another suggestion: for 13 centuries, Muslims have been occupying lots of countries and sucking the inhabitants of those countries dry. Now they can sort of even things up by sharing 75% of their oil profits with the people they've been kicking around for these long centuries.

Posted by: PersonOfTheBook at February 20, 2008 11:04 AM

If the Palestinians declare independence, that means that they are no longer a de facto "protectorate" of Israel.

At least to my mind, this means that acts of aggression from Gaza and the West Bank could be treated as the acts of war that they are.

/potential upside?

Posted by: treehugger at February 20, 2008 11:09 AM

"And not just the West. It sets an horrendous precedent - that any ethnic group that builds up a majority presence within a region of a state will, if it provokes enough belligerence, be allowed to declare independence from that state. It will give succour to the Basque separatists of ETA, to the Tamils in Sri Lanka, and to every other ambitious minority with a grievance."

Yes but it won't necessarily work for any of them.

What seems to be shaping up is a de facto acceptance, among the US and UN and EU elite, that this is only legit when Islam is involved.

There's currently the feeling that there aren't clear guidelines that could be written down explicitly to govern when this sort of thing is and isn't appropriate. Its seen as more a "from the gut", intuitive, decision. This is my understanding.

If such is indeed the case, the difference can be made by having, in the heads and hearts of powerful people, certain feelings and impressions and ideas about Islam. Those would rig personal intuitions in a certain direction, and you'd systematically get, on average, big thumbs up to new Muslim majority states carved from non-Muslim majority states, and thumbs down to everone else.

Still, yes, terrorism will likely skyrocked across the board because all groups will see that it works for some, and hope it will eventually work for them like it worked for the Muslims. It won't, because this is less about a principled recognition of the value of making state boundaries sensitive to the desires of the people who are governed by states, and more about weird beliefs regarding appeasment, and the "religion of peace", and who is good ay playing victim, getting white guilt flowing.

Posted by: hope_and_justice at February 20, 2008 11:16 AM

Wouldn't it be easier to go to war with Gaza or the West Bank when they shoot rockets at Israel if they were sovereign nations?

Or to cut off aid to the nation when they act like petulant children? It seems to me it would.

Posted by: Goob at February 20, 2008 11:29 AM

there is not much that we can do, can we?
(Yair-Israel)

Posted by: zion at February 20, 2008 11:36 AM

why shouldn't this happen with Palestine as well?"
could it be because the Palestinians really do not have any land of there own other than the West Bank and Gaza and even then, that was taken from Israel they have no industry for resources how can they form own country

Posted by: doglover at February 20, 2008 11:38 AM

This situation won't happen anywhere else unless the US and NATO intervene militarily as happened in Kosovo.

The problem IS the United States. The US has blood on its hands with Kosovo and it started BEFORE Clinton was using the Whitehouse as a knocking shop.

The United States prevented Serbia from defending its sovereign territory and also prevents Israel from defending its territory. In fact it has caused BOTH of these nations to LOSE territory to the Muslim jihadists.

The United States of America is siding with the jihadists. It is directly responsible for the break up of Yugoslavia and it is directly responsible for the demonsiation of the Serbs and it is directly responsible for the mess in Gaza and the West Bank.

Successive United States governments - Republican and Democrat - have LIED to their own people, have fabricated stories of genocide by the Serbs and covered up genocide by the Kosovans and used the media and advertising agencies to influence world opinion against the Serbs. Acts that have cost thousands of Serb lives and the loss of Serbian sovereign territory.

This is a war crime and the USA is guilty of it.

Lazar of Serbia posted these videos previously andI'd like to post them here again, they will leave you in no doubt about the disgusting role the US has played in the Balkans:

1. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5860186121153047571

2. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6371060303901674397

The US is making kiss-kiss with the muslims and selling out its allies for oil.

What an insult to those who died in the Islamic attacks of 9/11 - and 2 of the attackers have direct links to Kosovo.

Shame on the US. And shame on the EU and the UN for going along with it.

Posted by: Britannia's Lion at February 20, 2008 12:08 PM

Who will start to use his brains, to divide and demoralize and weaken the Camp of Islam? Is there anyone in power, or anyone likely to come to power as an advisor, who will be capable of this? Posted by Hugh
at February 20, 2008 8:51 AM

Vladimir Putin and Hu Jintao have them, and they will not allow the demoralizing or the weakening of it until the U.S. is sunk in rubbles.

The new actor will enter as the main actor exhausted his role and took exit.

Posted by: ssa at February 20, 2008 12:14 PM

"The US is making kiss-kiss with the muslims and selling out its allies for oil.

"What an insult to those who died in the Islamic attacks of 9/11 - and 2 of the attackers have direct links to Kosovo.

"Shame on the US. And shame on the EU and the UN for going along with it."

I agree.

Here I'm going to draw a distinction between the US in terms of its historical culture and the majority of its people (though many are now very confused and straying away from that culture into some sort of guilt-fueld idiocy), and the US in terms of special interests and the intellectuals and politicians they buy.

What is in the interest of the people is to build tons, and tons, and tonnnnneeeees, of nuclear power plants. Tax oil like crazy on national security grounds, ditto traditional cars, and step up biodiesal... you know, running cars on leftover frygrease and whatnot, as is already done by some as sort of a hobby.

This is not in the interests of the oil barons or the people they buy off, or the Saudis, or the people they buy off.

It would fit in beautifully with maintaining peaceful relations with Russia, and with avoiding the entangling alliances that make it very difficult to fight against jihad.

I don't like that I've gotten to the point of blaming big oil, because it is so cliche, and I don't think that that is the whole picture, just an important part of it. But if you follow who actually benefits from the situation, among the very many that are getting raw deals, this appears to be a very big part of the picture.

Posted by: hope_and_justice at February 20, 2008 12:23 PM

I hope they will declare themselves an independent state and that countries will recognize them. Then when they attack Israel, Israel can respond with force

Posted by: Don Singleton at February 20, 2008 12:29 PM

"why shouldn't it happen with Palestine as well..."

1. Even if one were to accept the notion of an independent Kosovo for the sake of temporary argument, that leaves two Albanian states, and one Serbia, a Serbia that in size and ability to defend itself is more than a match for both Albanian states.

But in the case of this "Palestine," there are already not one or two but twenty-two Arab states. Israel possesses a land area 1/1,000th that possesed by the Arabs; it has no natural resources while the Arabs have been the beneficiares of ten trillion dollars, since 1973 alone, from a mere accident of geology, with trillions more to come, and a few trillion dollars have been spent by them on the most colossal arms-buying in human history, on campaigns of propaganda against Israel, on establishing armies of Western hirelings among those who formerly or even now hold positions of influence in policy-making, and even in outright bribery of diplomats and heads of state, including a few in Africa who, like Idi Amin, became not only supporters of the Arab "cause" but themselves became Muslims.

2. The men who represented the advanced and civilized world, in the post-World War I settlement determined by the League of Nations, agreed that in the vast territories that had formerly been ruled by the Ottoman Turks, not only the Arabs, but other smaller peoples, either non-Muslim or non-Arab, were nonetheless entitled to a place where they could find their own national expression and, if need be, a sanctuary. There was no place to be found, in the crazy quilt pattern of the MIddle East, where "only" Jews or "only" Kurds or "only" Armenians or "only" Maronites could be found, but that did not mean that the Jews were not entitled to a state, that the Kurds were not entitled, that the Armenians were not entitled (and the Allies originally intended, after World War I, to create the conditions, through the Mandate system, for the ultimate coming-into-existence of a Jewish state, a Kurdish state, an Armenian state, and of course an "Arab State." The vast territories we have been inveigled into calling "the Arab world" is nothing of the sort, though the phrase came into being thanks mainily to ARAMCO doing its master's bidding, and the inattention to, and palpable lack of understanding of, all the non-Muslim minorities in the Middle East, and even the non-Arab Muslim minorities in the Middle East, is one of the reasons for the unimaginative and certainly unrealistic policies that have been based, ever since the Dulles brothers under Eisenhower, on a complete misapprehension of Islam.

3. The existence of a Kosovo dominated by Muslims is an affront to Serbia, and to Serbian history, and to the history of the Balkans, and of what Serbians had to endure under Ottoman Turkish rule, and what they fear, or even sense, may happen if Turkey is admitted into the E.U., or if the demographic conquest of Western Europe by Muslims now settled deep within the Bilad al-kufr continues unrecognized, and unopposed.

An affront Kosovo is, and a pity it is, and certainly it poses a geopolitical danger in the longer term, but it is not, as an independent "Palestine" ripped out of the much-diminished land area, that of Western Palestine alone, which in the end, once the foolish calculations of the British to provide a state for the Hashemite princeling Abdullah (so that he would not get into trouble attacking French interests in Syria, and thereby causing Anglo-French discord) caused them to cease to apply the provisions of the Mandate for Palestine to Eastern Palestine, renamed the Emirate of Transjordan, including those about encouraging Jewish immigration and close Jewish settlement on the land.

Only those who wish to continue to ignore Islam -learnedly discussing a performance of Hamlet without the Prince -- and to make policy as if Muslims did not care about Islam, when Islam is such a strong, suffusing presence, such a Total System, where religion and the state are not separated (and it is this, above all, that non-Muslims have difficulty understanding, or imagining, so poor are their intellects, so impoverished and creaky, haven fallen into desuetude their imaginations - and historical imagination based on knowledge and historical sense, is an indispensable instrument for those who claim a superior understanding of things, that entitles them to assume the role of instructing, and protecting, others.

4. Serbia's interests are indeed threatened by the existance of Kosovo, but Serbia is not surrounded on all land sides by those intent on destroying it, and intent on destroying it no matter what its size, or what the nature of its government. But Israel is so surrounded. And a simple glance at the map, with a little squinting to find that nearly-invisible sliver known as Isarel, would show that a "Palestine" would care out of Israel territory leaving it with a ratio of length of border to national territory that would be the largest in the world, leaving it eight miles wide at its waist, with every single airfield in Israel within range of arms fired from Kalkilya, and with a nightmare situation that no Western country would permit its own people for one minute to be asked to endure.

Israel's survival is, was, always will be tenuous. But its disappearance is almost certain to follow, sooner or later, if the Israelis cannot control, to the fullest extent, the territory we now call, so carelessly and lazily and unthinkingly, the "West Bank." You can prate all you want about a "two-state solution." But Islam does not tell its followers that they can ever accept, not in the midst of Dar al-Islam, on land once possessed by Muslims, and not, in the long run, anywhere in the world, the Infidels permanently running their own affairs, as independently and proudly, for that is not right, that goes against the explicit texts -- the immutable text, the uncreated text, of the Qur'an, and the related texts which offer the words and deeds of Muhammad, words and deeds that gloss the Qur'anic texts, and if anything, make them more, rather than less, menacing, for Infidels).

5. Without asking Serbia to accept, now or ever, the state of Kosovo, one can nonetheless recognize that for now, Serbia will no longer have a bullseye placed over its national existence -- or rather, will be threatened, but not almost uniquely so, in the intensity of Muslim energy and hatred directed at it. But if "Palestine" comes into existence, there will be demand after demand after demand, for such a triumph will lead Muslim Arabs to believe that they can press the point, and that what should be their transparent attempts to undo Israel will be met with success, and the Slow Jihadists of Fatah will be just a little less slow, though careful for now, and for the next few years, never to quite equal the truth-telling, about ultimate intentions, of the Fast Jihadists of Hamas.

One can see the handwriting -- mene mene tekel upharsin -- on the wall of that building on the East River, the one constructed with such high hopes. The corrupt and corrupting United Nations, for the past three decades has been increasingly brought under the control, hardly recognized though everywhere obvious, of an Islamintern International. That Islamintern International, consisting of both diplomats and permanent U.N. staff, and of both Muslims and islamisant sympathizers (who are exactly the kind of people who would not raise any objections by Muslim representatives, or their agents in the U.N. bureacracy who are well-placed everywhere, and keen to sniff out those who might not get with the Islamic program, might actually be genuinely sympathetic, for example, to Israel's permanent plight -- such people exist, but they never rise in the ranks of the U.N. But the admierers even of Ayatollah Khomeini, such as the egregiouus Edward Mortimer, become chief speechwriters and "advisers" to Kofi Annan, and to others.

In the U.N. of today, where Israel is made the whipping-boy on every occasstion, the subject -- or is it object? -- of nine out of ten resolutions, in a kangaroo court that, in New York, or in Geneva (at the Human Rights Commission) or in Durban (at that U.N. lynch-mob meeting which took place just before the 9/11/2001 attacks), is held in continuous session to keep sentencing and keep executing, and keep sentencing and executing again and again and again, the people and state of Israel, while everything else under the sun -- the mass-murders in the southern Sudan and now in Darfur, poverty in Latin America and sub-Saharan Africa, anthropogenic climate change -- always are an afterthought to the "plight of the 'Palestinians'" and the "monstrous behavior of Israel." Sometimes, just to camouflage what is too obviously a gang-up and a crime scene, some U.N. official will primly note a "cycle of violence" by which, say, hundreds of rockets shot into Israel's Sderot are treated as "just as deplorable" as Israel's attempts to prevent those rockets from being fired by destroying the places where they are thought to be hidden or manufactured or smuggled in, and also in attempting to pre-empt further attacks, and punish those whose lives are spent, full-time, in thinking of ways to kill the Jews of Israel, by actually daring to attack them in turn.

Those are some of the differences between the existence of Kosovo as an independent state (unacceptable to Serbia and to those who wish for historical understanding and justice for the Serbs, and for other non-Muslims in the Balkans) and the coming-into-being of a "Palestine" that would be merely a vehicle for the destruction of Israel, just as the invention of the "Palestinian people" does not reflect any real desire by other Arabs or Muslims to, in practical ways, assuage the lot of the local Arabs, but rather to use them more effectively, as instruments of the desire not to help anyone, but to score points against Israel in the Lesser Jihad, a Jihad without end, conducted by the Muslim Arabs to erase or efface the outrage of this Infidel nation-state in their midst.

Posted by: Hugh at February 20, 2008 12:35 PM

Hugh,

That's breathtaking analysis. Also, let's not forget Serbian southern neighbour FYR Macedonia. Albanians in Macedonia will follow Kosovo's example as they did in 2001. They are just waiting for the right moment.

Posted by: LazarOfSerbia at February 20, 2008 12:58 PM

Hugh,

Thank you for clarifying points on which Kosovo situation differs sufficiently from that of Israel in ways which can and should prevent the former situation from becoming a precedent for the latter.

Thanks also for your bit on imagination, that helps answers some questions I had... or at least shifts them into a different area, why the dearth of imagination.

Posted by: hope_and_justice at February 20, 2008 1:16 PM

Only missing part is to identify Albania as the epicenter of all problems. This "moderate" muslim country has four Christian neghbours - Greece, Macedonia, Serbia and Montenegro and territorial aspirations in each of them. Conquest of of these Christian lands by Albanians is diven by extreme birth rate and constant violence against non-muslim population.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Albania

Of course, while they are G.W.Bush's "best friends" we can't do much to stop islamic advance in the Balkans.

And now, thanks to Bill Clinton, there is also Bosnia:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=hYYbCq6tg5c

Posted by: LazarOfSerbia at February 20, 2008 1:41 PM

The truly frightening thing about the horrors going on in Kosovo and elsewhere in the Balkans is that this ceaseless bloodbath being perpetrated there by the international Muslim community IS WHAT the remainder of the non-Muslim world is going to look like in a few decades if the western democracies don't take real, significant, and far-reaching actions to stop the global jihad NOW. Kosovo-type atrocities could one day be widespread in Connecticut or Rome or Mexico City or Tokyo or god-knows-where-else...
Kosovo may very well be a glimpse of our future.

I have been calling the White House Comment Line and explaining why the US government's recognition of an independent Islamic Kosovo Republic (or whatever) is NOT a good policy at all.

And that of course is why it will be a tragedy if the Democrats take the White House. Because under Obama or Hillary no such preventive measures are likely to happen. (I'm not saying McCain would be an improvement, he's really not). The best we have to look forward to with these dodos is policies designed to please the (non-educated, Spanish-speaking, and anti-Yankee) Latino left. That will likely include appeasement efforts of Islamic jihadists worldwide.

Americans will likely retreat into an imaginary socialist world like Sweden's where Islam can be appeased, where international trade with America can be shut off by the fed with no negative economic consequences for the USA, where jihad wars across the globe can be ignored without consequence, where Islam can be freely practiced--jihad and all--in America without any danger to Americans, where Muslims can freely immigrate into the USA without consequences for American non-Muslims, where the US military can be safely dismantled, where illegal aliens in America from corrupt third world nation-states can safely be granted blanket amnesty, where global warming can supplant real issues (environmental and otherwise),where Muslims will not be investigated by the FBI et al for connections to terrorism organziations,and everyone's heads will be up their rectums as the Muslim armies sneak in to bring "death to America." ("Well, it's better than all this hate..."). As Atlas put it, the leftists are wrong on virtually EVERY issue....

And nowhere is that wrong-headedness more dangerous than when forced to deal with the jihad against the western democracies.

Posted by: pythagoras at February 20, 2008 1:46 PM

There's nothing quite like a Bush with a plan.
How long until Barack takes over? I can hardly wait.
I know he has a plan, he has just not told anyone...

Posted by: duh_swami at February 20, 2008 2:25 PM

Hugh

Absolutely cracking analysis, thank you.

May I ask you a question?

My problem is this: Why has the USA prevented the Serbs and the Israelis from using force? Why why why is the US - the once great defender of human rights and democracy - siding with evil?

The US must know what it is doing. What I, just a normal guy, can't understsand is: Why is all this happening? Why is everything I believed in - what my forefathers shed blood for - being trampled on by our own governments?

It seems like a deliberate tactic to destroy the west from within and without.

I for one just don't understand it.

Posted by: Britannia's Lion at February 20, 2008 2:58 PM

I think it would be a great idea for the Palistinians to just declare they are a country and seek recognition from the rest of the world. Then the Israeli's can declare war on a sanctioned state

Posted by: Navy Chief at February 20, 2008 3:11 PM

Britannia's Lion:

The west’s education failed. Most people do not know history. In 2007, the U.S. National Science Foundation conducted a survey and found 22% of our population said the sun revolves around the earth.

Our people do not like old tested traditions. We are bored; we only want change, even after failing many experiments. We voted for bad leaders we wanted. Look, at Obama’s mention of “change”, people faint. We have a new disease called “Obama-Excessive-Hope Syndrome.” The sufferers are rushing to see psychiatrists.

Let's experiment with Palestine for a change.

Posted by: ssa at February 20, 2008 3:23 PM

Read Jacques Barzun on the modern university, and its collapse. Make sure you are in a sound-proof room, so as not to disturb anyone else when you start to shout in exasperation and fury. That's the other thing a cork-lined room is good for.

Posted by: Hugh at February 20, 2008 3:36 PM

Hugh,
Jacques Barzun on the modern university is not available at Amazon.com.

I found "From Dawn to Decadence." Is this the book?

Posted by: ssa at February 20, 2008 3:45 PM

SSA:

Thank you for your comment. I think you feel the same way I do. But with regards to education you can thank the marxists for that. You really don't want to know what is being taught to kids in the EU - it is sick.

That the US (and the UK for that matter) is becoming a criminal nation that sides with the evil of Islam I don't think can be attributed to education. I think there's more to it and I think something is badly, badly wrong. These are war crimes - deliberate, knowing and calculated actions that we're discussing here and that innocent Serbs and Israelis are suffering the hbeinous consequences.

I would really like to see an essay from either Robert or Hugh on this topic.

Something stinks. Unless we have the courage to question why our nations are acting like criminal bullies and siding with an enemy that hates our every fibre and with scant regard for human beings who are suffering the horrific consequences of our leader's decisions, the same fate will befall our nations, our people, our children.

63 years ago the golden generation gave to the generation that followed them the greatest gift paid for in blood with lives sacrificed on battlefields around the world - the freedom from tyranny.

Their legacy is quite frankly being stamped out by diabolical acts that shame our nations and dishonour our fallen.

Their sacrifice deserves so much better IMHO.

Posted by: Britannia's Lion at February 20, 2008 3:58 PM

RIYADH (Reuters) - The Organisation of the Islamic Conference has welcomed Kosovo's declaration of independence, saying ***it would be an asset to the Muslim world***.

"Kosovo has finally declared its independence after a long and determined struggle by its people. As we rejoice in this happy result, we declare our solidarity with and support to our brothers and sisters there," Ekmeleddin Ihsanoglu, the head of the OIC, said at the opening of a meeting in Dakar on Monday.

"The Islamic (nation) wishes them success in the new battle awaiting them, which is the building of a strong and prosperous state capable of satisfying its people. ***There is no doubt that the independence of Kosovo will be an asset to the Muslim world and further enhance joint Islamic action***," he said in comments sent to Reuters.

http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSL1920770020080219

Posted by: LazarOfSerbia at February 20, 2008 5:13 PM

Our generation has become morally bankrupt. There is nothing good can be expected from immoral generation but destruction. God is dead in people’s heart. When the West was in its glory, its God was the God of Israel. Where God is dead, neither moral nor Israel exists.

Where there is no moral, crime can be redefined according to the golden rule: We have the gold; we decide what constitutes a crime.

Posted by: ssa at February 20, 2008 5:21 PM

http://www.hirhome.com/yugo/ranta.htm

This is how the Serbs are the canaries for Israel: first, the US and NATO criminals use a Hitlerian Gleiwitz hoax and use it as an excuse for the criminal, Nazistic war of aggression on the Serbian people, and then Gleiwitz hoaxes are perpetrated on Israel:

Gleiwitz 1: Al-Dura hoax, 2000;

Gleiwitz 2: "Massacre in Jenin", 2002.

This is why Israel must stay firm and resist any pressure from our idiot-boy president to partake in the US and NATO evil in recognizing the illegal Kosovo "independence".

Ruslan Tokhchukov, EnragedSince1999.

Posted by: Enragedsince1999 at February 20, 2008 5:33 PM

Let's not stray too far from reality here. What has happened in Kosovo sets a disturbing precedent, but if Serbia finds the international community lacking in sympathy then it has only itself to blame. Unlike Israel, Serbia, through its actions in its recent past, has been the architect of its own misfortune. Srebrenica, Omarska, and the mass rapes were not "Gleiwitzian hoaxes", and etnicko ciscenje isn't a Hebrew term.

Posted by: Matamoros at February 20, 2008 6:51 PM

Let's not stray too far from reality here. What has happened in Kosovo sets a disturbing precedent, but if Serbia finds the international community lacking in sympathy then it has only itself to blame. Unlike Israel, Serbia, through its actions in its recent past, has been the architect of its own misfortune. Srebrenica, Omarska, and the mass rapes were not "Gleiwitzian hoaxes", and etnicko ciscenje isn't a Hebrew term.

Posted by: Matamoros at February 20, 2008 6:51 PM

You are so right. The Serbs mass-raped girls and women -that is fact. Srebrenica, Omarska etc. Orders from Miloscevic. Fact. If you don't like facts, sorry.

Posted by: darcy at February 20, 2008 8:12 PM

Read this:

http://www.amazon.com/Srebrenica-Record-Jan-Willem-Honig/dp/0140266321

Posted by: darcy at February 20, 2008 8:31 PM

Hugh - I see what you see. The virtual lynching-parties at the United Nations, with Israel as the victim. It makes me angry, too.

Ellul wrote about it in 'Un Chretien Pour Israel' (1986) chapter five - 'the position taken by international bodies'. He is perfectly scathing about the conduct of the UN and related bodies. He remarks upon:

" the terrible loneliness of Israel, a country officially shunned by the so-called ‘international community’. Of course...no-one will be surprised that the World Council of Churches takes exactly the same line."

He continues, on the WCC - "This Council, inspired very little by theology and much by politics, depends on its membership – and most of the churches are either from socialist countries, or from de-colonised African countries, or from Latin American countries, which gives the same majority as at the UN, and the same results".

And a little later:
"Thus, among all the texts produced by international gatherings like the UN, there is never a word of understanding (let alone support) for Israel, but – uniquely – condemnation; with almost unconditional support for the PLO [that was in 1986; today, read 'for the P.A'].

"It appears clearly that Israel is - in effect - shunned by the nations and as a result, despite his weapons, [he is] a people at bay; it is still necessary to understand that this people [Israel] seeks to arm itself - and even to make pre-emptive war – because it knows that no-one will lift a finger to help it, if it is attacked by its declared and determined enemies".

Does anyone have any practical ideas about how we ordinary citizens across the world can start chipping away at this mountain of antizionist/ antisemitic prejudice and hate, all of it based on blatantly false propaganda, lies and illusions?

I didn't like my previous Foreign Affairs Minister, Mr Downer. He was not, I think, very astute nor of very strong character. Nevertheless he did just one small thing of which I heartily approved: he consistently instructed Australia's UN rep to vote AGAINST a number of hideous anti-Israel resolutions, when it would have been easy to go with the flow and vote Yes, or to wimp out and abstain. When I discovered this, I made sure to personally write and express my sincere approval.

So all of us citizens of Infidel lands should be trying hard to instruct our Foreign Affairs ministers - and their Shadows - concerning Slow (or Stealth) Jihad and Fast Jihad, and the Jihad against Israel, and why one must avoid being suckered by Arab Muslim propaganda concerning the Evil Jews and the Poor Palestinians. (Any more than we should be taken in by Muslim propaganda concerning the 'independence struggles' in Kashmir, southern Thailand, or the Philippines).

And perhaps, too, those who live in or near New York, or in Geneva, are going to have to run semi-permanent sit-in vigil protests, every time the latest 'let's hate Israel' resolution goes to the vote.

Posted by: dumbledoresarmy at February 20, 2008 10:59 PM

dumbledoresarmy,

Had Israel not been all alone, it would have no reason to exist. As the world witnesses its smallness and loneliness, the Lord proves to all nations on earth that He lives.

Though America is mighty, it will sink under the ocean. On other hand, though Israel is small and lonely, it will not disappear from the face of the earth. For the Lord said, "For as long as there is sun and moon, there will be Israel, the Light unto all nations."

The Muslim can destroy the entire world with no trouble, but if they want to destroy Israel, they need to first destroy the sun and moon.

dumbledoresarmy, rest assured He will be at Armageddon before the world draws its last breath.

Posted by: ssa at February 21, 2008 12:12 AM

if Serbia finds the international community lacking in sympathy then it has only itself to blame...

Posted by: Matamoros

Kosovo: A New Day of Infamy for a New Century

“KosovA” will NOT be recognized by Russia, China, India, Brazil, Indonesia (the most populous Muslim country), by most of black Africa, and by at least half-dozen EU member-countries. The non-recognizing countries’ population will exceed by two-to-one that of the Willing. The “international community” will be finally seen for what it is: an empty slogan, an invention of Washingtonian hegemonists and Euro-globalists devoid of substance or authority.

Posted by: Infidel Pride at February 21, 2008 1:50 AM

For an organization that is so mindful of such
things like "international law" it's really
shocking how blatantly the EU has ignored it.

The resolution that put EU and NATO on the ground
said that Kosovo was part of Yugoslavia. Now the
lines of a sovereign state have been redrawn by
France and Britain and Germany and the USA. Of
course Spain doesn't recognize it for the horrible
precident it sets-- anyone for unilateral
declaration of sovereignty for the Basque Republic?

This is going to be a nightmare. How about the
Republic of Mindanao. Or the Republic of
Aceh. Or how about taking the Basque regions of
France for the Basque Republic (since they seem
to think this sort of thing is hunky-dory). Maybe
the Republic of Aztlan taking the southern half of
California (since the US thinks this is so great).

What a nightmare.

Posted by: whatdafuq at February 21, 2008 2:44 AM

Kashmir separatists buoyed by Kosovo declaration

Posted by: Infidel Pride at February 21, 2008 3:22 AM

darcy:"You are so right. The Serbs mass-raped girls and women -that is fact. Srebrenica, Omarska etc. Orders from Miloscevic. Fact. If you don't like facts, sorry."

Sorry are you taking the piss?

Okay, darcy where are facts that Srebrenica - I presume you're talking about the events in July 95 here- was all because of orders from Slobo.

Okay, darcy, you love to talk about "facts" but I note that you are yet to post single fact.

The balls in your court, darcy.

Let's see you post the "facts" about Slobo's involvement in Srebrenica and Omarska.

For starters, and this should be really easy, tell of the units that Slobo sent into Bosnia and what their purpose was. Just to get you all warmed up

Posted by: ewha1 at February 21, 2008 3:33 AM

I haven't read that book you weblinked to, however, by looking quickly at what the blurb says and then noting that a certain "Erdemovic" gets a good three pages -according to the index- I imagine it's the same old motley nonsense that's been chucked around for a long time.

Darcy, and I don't blame you for having this view, after it was plastered on the MSM forever and a day, so nothing personal, it's almost inevitable really.

Have you read the book? I'd guess you have which is why you posted it. Well, do me a favour, will you? Tell me approximately what the authors told you about Mr Erdemovic and his gallant 10th SD will you?

And then I'll tell you the whole story.

And then tell me how credible the author's claims are, because they did give him a good 3 pages and I'd bet they ate his nonsense up with nary one question mark.

P.S. To those who are not really au fait with Srebrenica 95, Erdemovic was THE eye witness to so many of the massacres. He was quoted in the MSM forever, and appeared not only in his own trial but in countless others, including that bounder and monster, Slobo's. The real story is so funny. What makes it all the more hilarious is that crappy books like the one weblinked have "well researched" etc made about it when they eat up his lies.

Anyway, darcy, did they tell the reader about his extended stay in a mental asylum? And about the gold? And about his unit being employed by the ICTY?

Posted by: ewha1 at February 21, 2008 3:54 AM

Oh, Darcy I think I see where you get the Slobo/Srebrenica link from. It's the out of date book you linked to. Oh dear, darcy. The ICTY all but admitted that Slobo had no idea that something naughty was happening after the fall of the town. They certainly didn't produce any evidence and all but admitted defeat on that issue.

That book's bloody old, darcy.

Oh dear.

Posted by: ewha1 at February 21, 2008 4:16 AM

Darcy and Metamoros:

You really should try to educate and inform yourselves about the truth instead of lapping up the vomit the western media serve up to you.

The first point to counter your somewhat silly and highly offensive remarks is:

Why do you not mention atrocities committed by the muslims at Goradze and by the Croatians at Krajina? This was ethnic-cleansing against the Serbs. Watch the videos I've posted - if you can bare to watch the truth.

The second point: You say the Serbs have only themselves to blame because of what they have done? OK, so as the Croatians and Bosnians did the same, does this mean they should lose territory as well to the Serbs? Is this in fact International law, that any nation who commits war crimes loses territory?

The third point: Only the Serbs have themselves to blame. Do they? I'dactually say the Serbs can blame the United States for interfering and taking sides in a country ravaged by civil war and where ALL sides involved were culpable of acting badly. Such is war.

What is so sad is that this war could've been prevented but the United States - not once, not twice but three times scuppered the peace treaties brokered by the EU because they wanted more for the muslims. The very same people who were part of 9/11 and who tried to blow up Fort Dix.

Fourth: To Darcy and his/her supposed facts about Srebrenica, here's what really happened there:

http://www.israpundit.com/2008/?p=232

If you're going to spout off about facts, make sure you know what you're talking about.

KOSOVO IS SERBIA.

Posted by: Britannia's Lion at February 21, 2008 4:47 AM

Good stuff, Britannia's Lion. What's so funny is that darcy lectures people about "facts" and then links to a book that would've been so full of errors, considering it was written a few months after the fall of the town, as to be laughable.

Published 1996. Deary deary me

Good for a laugh mind.

Posted by: ewha1 at February 21, 2008 5:03 AM

Infidel Pride, you are right to point out that Kashmiri separatists will be encouraged by Kosovo’s independence. This is why India declares itself “undecided” on recognising Kosovo. The other countries in your list are in exactly the same position as India - virtually all have minority regions with dreams of statehood.

Only Russia is likely to be doing it out of sympathy for the Serbs. All the rest - Indonesia (Aceh), China (Taiwan) etc - will be looking over their shoulders at their own separatist movements. I haven’t seen any list, but I’ll bet that Spain and Cyprus are among the EU hold-outs. I wonder how Canada, that bastion of Western liberalism, feels about it? Kosovo today, Quebec tomorrow?

Posted by: Matamoros at February 21, 2008 5:46 AM

Matamoros/Darcy:"if Serbia finds the international community lacking in sympathy then it has only itself to blame.......Serbia, through its actions in its recent past, has been the architect of its own misfortune."

Well, the US and Iranians helped airlift in arms to the Mujahideen, who did the most horrific things to Croat/Serb POWs and civilians. Rapes, ethnic cleansing etc.

Does that mean that the US deserves what happened on 9 11? Or does your, cough, logic only apply to Serbia?

DarcyLove to see the facts of Slobos orders for Srebrenica. Can't Wait.

Posted by: ewha1 at February 21, 2008 6:31 AM

To ewha1:

After reading your numerous (6) crazed and insulting posts, I can see you are a nutball and completely out-of-reality with the horrific events that occurred in the Balkans courtesy psychopath Miloscevic. Knock yourself out with more of your crazed and insulting posts to me, but I'm not interested in interacting with an obvious nutball.

Posted by: darcy at February 21, 2008 8:30 AM

Darcy

Instead of hurling insults at ewha1 post some facts to back up your statements.

I have posted a lot of evidence here that clearly proves you wrong.

The nutjob in the Balkans was Izbetgovic. But there were bigger nutjobs than him: Bush snr, Clinton - the guy who bowed to a monument commemorating Al Qaeda dead, Dubya, Blair, Brown, all of whom who had dirty hands in creating a muslim state in the heart of Europe. All of them knew that atrocities and ethnic cleansing were being committed against the Serbs in Bosnia, Croatia and Kosovo and these traitors chose to side with the enemy.

And you go on about Milosevic? He was defending his people and his nation. Now ask yourself what the Americans and the British and the Germans were doing?

You are utterly clueless about what's gone on. Watch and read the evidence that I and others such as Lazar of Serbia have posted. If you can stomach the truth about the US that is.

Posted by: Britannia's Lion at February 21, 2008 8:56 AM

Darcy,

1. Ethnic cleansing ("etnicko ciscenje") is first used by Kosovo Serbs during the 1980's to describe what Albanians were doing to them. Yes, it is Serbian term to describe tactic used by their enemies.

2. You wrote: "The Serbs mass-raped girls and women -that is fact."

That's bullshit. Civil wars are brutal by definition, but Serbs were not better or worse than their enemies.

3. You wrote: "Srebrenica, Omarska etc. Orders from Miloscevic. Fact."

Milosevic was cleared of responsibility in the court of law. Fact.

Posted by: LazarOfSerbia at February 21, 2008 10:59 AM

LazarofSerbia:
That's bullshit. Civil wars are brutal by definition, but Serbs were not better or worse than their enemies.

The UN, the EU, the US, the ICJ, the ICTY and the world’s media would disagree with you. The figures for civilians killed during the Bosnian War - 83% Bosnian Muslim, 10% Serb, 6% Croat - speak for themselves. But I guess you’ll say they’re all wrong.

I realise that it’s no use anyone arguing with you or any other Serb nationalist over this. You have the same deluded view of the Bosnian War as the Arabs have of the Arab-Israeli conflict. But until you can conquer your denial, I’m afraid that the world is going to keep sticking it to you.

As Boris Tadic said after the ICJ's ruling last year:

"Unless Serbia finally wraps up that cooperation [with ICTY, by handing over Mladic] I believe, as a state, it will face dramatic political and economic consequences."

At least someone in Serbia gets it.

I'm not being sarcastic. I am fully aware of Kosovo's position at the heart of Serbian national identity. Independence for Kosovo is a disaster for both Serbia and the West, and has the potential to effect outcomes far beyond the Balkans. But the world’s indifference to Serbia's plight regarding Kosovo can be traced directly back to the actions of Milosevic, Mladic, Karadzic and their dreams of an ethnically pure Greater Serbia. It should be a lesson for “ethno-nationalists” everywhere.

Posted by: Matamoros at February 21, 2008 12:19 PM

Metamoros

I have read some stupid comments about the situation in Kosovo but yours really does take the biscuit.

Rather than mention inconvenient things like the reliability of your figures, international law, sovereignty of territory, UN resolutions, the right to defend territory -I could go on but I'd rather make this short.

This is the real stupid part: "It should be a lesson for “ethno-nationalists” everywhere."

What should? The US, the EU and the UN interfering in a civil war, taking sides, bombing illegally a sovereign state so um, the Albanian muslim ethno-nationalists funded by Saudi and Iranian petro-dollars can secede territory?

Some lesson! Some stupidity!

Posted by: Britannia's Lion at February 21, 2008 2:12 PM

Brittania's Lion:

Do you mean to tell us that the Croatians, Slovenians, and Montegnegrans were among Milovsevic's "people?" They will almost certainly tell you otherwise and you will notice as well that these aforementioned ethnicities no longer share the same nation-state with the 'Serbs.'

What you evidently do not care to admit is that Milosevic ALSO used the Serbian military to violently suppress non-Serb AND non-Muslim Balkan ethnicities. Milosevic was also a Communist and notoriously corrupt; not everyone wants to be ruled by a leader like that. As for his defending the Balkans against Islam that may be true, but the non-Serb Balkan ethnicities felt they needed protection from MILOSEVIC and his Serbian government.

Which is the reason these ethnicities formed tgheir own natin-states and left Serbia at the alter--assuredly, they will NOT be returning.

International laws as those passed by the UN are not you wil notice generally sparing people anywhere from Islam's brutality and horrors--as these laws mean zero to mosques around the planet. International law-making also has acquired the nasty habit of being subverted by corrupt third world leaders to make interntional laws toothless and unable to protect human life as they should. 50 million murdered Christians in Islamic lands during the twentieth century (something that Islamic leaders have yet to answer for) stand as testimony to that.

You have blind spots of your own and thus you should watch your attitude because you are not unimpeachable.

Posted by: pythagoras at February 21, 2008 3:26 PM

Matamoros,

I realise that it’s no use anyone arguing with you over this, but according to research done by the International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia (ICTY):

"The researchers estimate the number of killed civilian Muslims and Croats to be around 38,000, while the number of killed civilian Serbs was about 16,700. Among military personnel, the researchers think close to 28,000 people were killed in the government army, mostly Bosnian Muslims. On the Serb side, 14,000 soldiers were killed, while a bit over 6,000 Bosnian Croat soldiers lost their lives because of actions of war."

Research is conducted by Norwegian experts Ewa Tabeau and Jacub Bijak:
http://www.nrk.no/nyheter/utenriks/4260912.html

I suppose you will agree at lease Norwegians are neutral in this case. So, your numbers are in fact:

Croats and Muslims: 38,000 civilians = 70%
Serbs: 16,700 civilians = 30%

Exactly proportional to three populations, Serbs are 30%.

Just to show how deluded you are.

Anyway, this is not about the numbers what we are talking about. There are other more important things - freedom, truth and justice.

Posted by: LazarOfSerbia at February 21, 2008 5:27 PM

Pythagoras:

Did the Croatians commit ethnic cleansing in Kraijona - yes or no? Is the Croatian flag a decent symbol yes or no?

How dare you resort to "blind spots" and "unimpeachable" you little maggot. Who the hell do you think you are to patronise me you idiot?

Who has lost territory here? Croatia? Montenegro? And you quote Slovenians - hey guess what,they had a big hand in starting the war in Yugoslavia.

And what I said and that you in your rush to be abusive, is that the Serbs acted no better or no worse than the other sides. THAT MEANS: the muslims, the croats, and the slovenians.

The question you condescending fool is what gave the US thye right to behave in the dispicable way it did. A point you want to sweep under the carpet.

And as for your nonsense about UN law - is that your excuse for US war crimes? For all of your bluster you cannot justify the way the US interfered, sided with jihadists and furthered the goal of the single Islamic ummeh.

The US ruined 3 peace treaties and made kiss-kiss with Islamofascists. No matter what Milosevic did it does not excuse the US or the EU for its criminal actions.

As for attitude - your excuses stink the place out and if you want to debate this further bring it on and I'll more than match your stupidity and bias.

The US is a criminal nation - far worse than the Serbs. All for oil.

How the truth must hurt you.

Posted by: Britannia's Lion at February 21, 2008 6:17 PM

lovely darcy":After reading your numerous (6) crazed and insulting posts, I can see you are a nutball and completely out-of-reality with the horrific events that occurred in the Balkans courtesy psychopath Miloscevic. Knock yourself out with more of your crazed and insulting posts to me, but I'm not interested in interacting with an obvious nutball"

Being self referential I see, Darcy.

Poor Darcy, is unable to provide the "facts" to support her claims, and so resorts to petty, childish, puerile abuse.

Tsk tsk tsk tsk.

Read Erdemovic's witness evidence in the ICTY in the Hague. Amongst his many pearls were

a) he fought for all three sides in the conflict.
b) he admitted he was told to obey the Geneva Convention at all times by the VRS
c) he lied to the ICTY when he first calimed to have never fought in the muslim ABIH
d) he admitted being sent to a mental hospital. His state of mind was so fragile the ICTY had to hold hearings to see if he were stable enough to testify
e) he claims a VRS ( Bosnian Serb ) colonel ordered him to murder the Muslim POWs and offered them gold bullion to do it. He'd never seen the colonel before or since.

There were a couple of hundred executions of Muslim POWs in days following the fall of the town. Not the nonsense you seem to think happened.

I'd like to direct you to Dr David Owen's witness testimony -he was a court witness and also to General Philippe Morillon -who was a prosecution witness

http://www.un.org/icty/cases-e/index-e.htm

Do try to give facts to support your ideas, Darcy, otherwise people will just think that you don't know what you're talking about, and we wouldn't want that now would we, deary.

You seem not to know about the US's work with VEVAK and the MB in Bosnia do you, either, Darcy.

http://www.senate.gov/~rpc/releases/1997/iran.htm

So, if the US is complicit in the ABIH's ethnic cleansing of both Bosnian Croats and Bosnian Serbs, does that mean the the US deserved 9 11?
Or does your idea of "justice" only apply to the Serbs?

An idea for future postings. Try to use facts and not abuse in your replies, darcy

Posted by: ewha1 at February 21, 2008 7:27 PM

Great posts, Britannia's Lion and Lazar of Serbia

Note the dearth of facts from the foaming, petulant, Serbophobes.

Evolution's missing link indeed.

I'm still laughing at Darcy's inability to post the "facts" that prove that Slobo is connected in any way with Srebrenica July 95.

Tick tock, tick tock

Posted by: ewha1 at February 22, 2008 2:54 AM

ewha1

Excellent point. Their evidence is somewhat thin on the ground. And have you noticed that despite a fair amount of evidence showing the truth about what went on during the break up of Yugoslavia, not one of the Serbophobes has acknowledged it?

Mind you, I suppose realising that the US, the EU and the UN have been in bed with the jihadists and have used the media and advertising agencies to demonise the Serbs and outright lie and con the people must be hard to accept.

What they can't seem to understand is that this is more about the advance of the jihad and another crucial step towards the single ummeh. All delivered gift-wrapped by the US, the UN and the EU.

AL Qaeda must be in raptures.

Posted by: Britannia's Lion at February 22, 2008 4:56 AM

Brittannia's Lion:

I don't even bother reading your responses!

Posted by: pythagoras at February 22, 2008 1:19 PM

Pythogaoras bites the dust!

You see others read my posts backed up with evidence and they can see the truth as I demolish your nonsense.

And you can bet that if you post more of the media lies you've been spoon-fed about Serbia I'll show you up for the uninformed ignoramus you are.

And thanks for giving a brilliant example of how bankrupt your anti-serb lies really are. It's easier to run away from debate than it is to back up your misguided opinion with facts isn't it?

Been a pleasure to defeat you it really has.

Posted by: Britannia's Lion at February 22, 2008 3:45 PM

Britannia's Lion:"Pythogaoras bites the dust!

Well I'm shocked, really I am.

Britannia's Lion:"And you can bet that if you post more of the media lies you've been spoon-fed about Serbia I'll show you up for the uninformed ignoramus you are. It's easier to run away from debate than it is to back up your misguided opinion with facts isn't it?

Oh isn't that exactly it. You can see them, gawping at CNN, eating all the Anti Serb drivel up. Every time you ask them to back up their MSM bullshit claims with facts, they have a tantrum and run off, blubbing, to Mumsie.

Imagine the outcry if it had've been Slobo and his men who'd gone into partnership with VEVAK and Bin Laden.

Pythagoras, Dhimmi Darcy et al would have wet their nappies over it. We'd never have heard the end of it.

However, seeing as it's their glorious NATO/US, then all it's gets is a yawn from them.

Even senior Croat diplomats noted that Slobo was obssessed with the threat from the islamists.

(

http://www.un.org/icty/transe54/040121ED.htm

( Page 31272 )

Hrvoje Sarinic, Tudjman's advisor : "I would say that that was the leitmotif of the accused ( Slobo ) generally. And he ( Slobo ) said to me on one occasion that there were about 2.500 Mujahedin who had come in from other Islamic countries to help their brethren in Bosnia-Herzegovina. And he also told me that the Muslims are a great evil because of their demographic explosion and that it would all cost us a great deal unless we're cautious."

)

For ignoramuses like Dhimmi Darcy, a "leitmotif" is a recurring theme or motif, associated primarily with Wagner.

Slobo was fearful of the Islamists. On the other hand he was on very good terms with the Secular Muslims of Mr Abdic. Mr Sarinic noted this too

What were you doing in 92, Pythagoras/DhimmiDarcy? Were you doing all in your power to alert people of the danger of the MB?

Course not, you were too busy queueing up for Rambo3, creaming your pants over the glorious freedom fighting Mujahideen in Afghanistan. Go on admit it.

In the Bosnian civil war were Secular Muslims and Infidels fighting on one side against the Jihadists on the other. Slobo was with the Infidels whilst Dhimmi Darcy and Co. are rooting for SS recruiter, Izetbegovich.

tsk tsk

And to think your forefathers gave their lives on the beaches of Normandy and in the skies over Germany.

tsk tsk

BTW, Britannia's Lion, I hope Dhimmi Darcy is okay. She promised us that she'd post all the damning evidence proving beyond any doubt Slobo's involvement with Srebrenica July 95, and yet, days later, and there's STILL nothing.

I'm shocked, SHOCKED, you hear.

tick tock tick tock

P.S Dhimmi Darcy, I'd previously asked you to name the only unit that Slobo sent into Bosnia once it'd claimed, illegally, independence. You didn't answer that, for the simple reason that you're clueless about the civil war, but the answer is Slobo, on one, occasion posted a police unit to protect the Belgrade to Bar railway line. A short section runs into Bosnia for about 6 or so kilometres. He did this to protect any Muslims passengers who might be on the train from any attacks whilst the train was in Bosnian territory. That's the only time. And it was done to protect Muslims civilians.

Here's an idea, Darcy, read more and watch MTV a little less.

You child.

Posted by: ewha1 at February 23, 2008 4:13 AM

I take it that that's a "No" to providing the, cough , "facts", cough that show that

a) Slobo is a pychopath

and

b) that he ordered the couple of 100 executions after the fall of Srebrenica 95.

LOL as some might say.

Definition of "irony"

An Aliya "SS Boy " Izetbegovich apologist calling others "psychopaths".

Now that's irony, folks.

So thick you could place it between two pieces of bread and call it a sandwich.

Posted by: ewha1 at February 25, 2008 3:51 AM

A difficult time indeed for the KLA supporters of Ye Olde Londone Towne.

How to square that circle.

"Posing as members of the Real IRA, we were also offered three shoulder-held missile launchers, an anti-aircraft gun, and enough machine guns, hand grenades and landmines to equip a small army."

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4161/is_20031207/ai_n12881422

I'm pretty sure that the Real IRA are Maoists/Marxist/Leninists/Blah di dah and so are large sections of the KLA -The PM for instance - so one can see why Albanian Nationalists are such good friends with the Real IRA.

Priceless.

Posted by: ewha1 at February 26, 2008 6:20 AM

Not only have the KLA and the IRA very close links, BND ( German Intel ) think that the plotting for the Madrid and London terror attacks started in Kosovo, according to the Jerusalem Post

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1203605149058&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

How will our KLA friends in Ye Olde Londone Towne and Madrid square that circle?

Note also that the report also talks of Bin Laden visiting northern Albania in 98 to help the Albanian Nationalists with their terror attacks in KosMet.

So the same question to all those many 1,000's of NY KLA supporters.

How does one square a circle?

The hits just keep on comin'

Posted by: ewha1 at February 26, 2008 11:46 PM