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February 22, 2008

Fitzgerald: By their metaphors shall ye know them

The employment of "filthy bacteria" by Iran's Ahmadinejad can be compared not only to the imagery, with murderous consequences, of the Nazis, but to the standard Arab metaphor for Israel. It is a "cancer." Now one does not merely shrink the size of a cancer,but allow it to remain. One excises it, removes it, altogether --sometimes by first shrinking it, and then removing what fails to disappear entirely, sometimes by simply cutting the whole thing out.

By their metaphors shall ye know them. And that "cancer" metaphor for Israel (like Ahmadinejad's Der-Stuermer-like "filthy bacteria") is telling. An Infidel nation-state interrupts the smooth flow of the Dar al-Islam. If Arab Muslims actually had the slightest bit of real "tolerance" in the Western sense, they would first come to understand that in the vast areas of the Middle East and North Africa, there are others besides themselves -- both non-Muslims such as the Jews now in-gathered into their historic homeland which they managed to rebuild with no natural resources and, until the last few decades, almost no aid save what co-religionists sent, but also Christians (the Copts who are the descendants of the original inhabitants of Egypt who managed to reject islamization), the Maronites in the Lebanon, the Chaldo-Assyrians, and smaller groups), and non-Arab Muslims (the Kurds, the Berbers). They have a chance to redeem themselves from the charge that Islam treats non-Muslims only as inferiors, allowed to avoid the other alternatives (death or conversion) only by submitting to the status of dhimmi, by accepting the Infidel nation-state of Israel. But in order to win this redemption they must do so not with treacherous intent, not trying merely to win its trust so as to inveigle it and its Western supporters to get it to be diminished even further in size, with no control over invasion routes, or aquifers, and then to renew the pressure until daily life in Israel becomes so intolerable, so perilous, that there will be an out-migration and a weakening within, and the Arabs can go in for the kill.

And the same could be said for full-throated Arab Muslim acceptance of the Maronites and their claims in Lebanon, and of the Copts in Egypt. This could lead to an end to the intolerable treatment of the Copts (many of whom, while in Egypt, find themselves forced to internalize and promote the Arab Muslim view of the world, but once safely outside, permit themselves the mental freedom to see things differently). In Iraq, the Christians who remain deserve an autonomous enclave in the north, possibly guaranteed by a larger Kurdish state, itself dependent on the United States for diplomatic and possibly military support.

And until the Arabs recognize the existence and legitimacy of these peoples, by ceasing to threaten the Kurds and the Berbers, by ceasing to treat non-Arab Muslims as inferiors to be deprived of autonomy and subject to Arab linguistic and cultural imperialism, they will also remain open to the charge -- a truthful one -- that Islam is, and always has been, a vehicle of Arab imperialism. For everything about Islam encourages arabization. One must read the Qur'an in Arabic. Tens of millions of madrasa students all over the world are having their young brains used up in memorizing verses in classical Arabic, of which they can hardly understand ten words. Muslims face Arabia five times a day. They take Arabic names, effacing their own ethnic and national identities. What does Pakistan have, what do those descendants of Hindus have, except Islam? And in having only Islam, they wish to become little Arabs, and so pseudo-Arab identities are assumed, with every third Pakistani being a "Sayeed," indicating descent -- a false and comical descent, both touching and depressing -- from the family or tribe of Muhammad.

If Islam consists of Qur'an and Sunnah, then the Sunnah, derived essentially from what is written down in the accepted (and most authoritative) Hadith, and the Sira (the biography of Muhammad), is merely the record of the ways of behavior, the customs and manners, of seventh-century Arabs. No wonder that Islam is naturally the vehicle for Arab supremacism.

If the Arabs wish to deny that it is any longer that way, they will have to prove it not by words but by deeds. And the deed that counts is for them to recognize, and not to oppose, Berber autonomy (or more) in North Africa, and Kurdish independence in Iraq. And an end to the insistence that, within Islam, it is Arab commentators, Arab institutions, Arab desires, that will take precedence, that must be followed by non-Arab Muslims everywhere. It is that Arabia-first attitude that Ataturk recognized when he commissioned a Turkish Qur'an and a Turkish tafsir, and when he ended the use of the Arabic script in which Ottoman Turkish had been written. The Persians and the Turks, the most successful of the non-Arab Muslims to resist arabization, or at least the educated Persians and Turks, are quick to assure visitors that "we are not Arabs" and even "we can't stand the Arabs." The los-de-abajo Ahmadinejad and other supporters and epigones of Khomeini in Iran, to the extent that for them there exists Islam and only Islam, become less interested in, less sympathetic to, the history, pre-Islamic and non-Islamic, of Iranian identity. And the same is true of Erdogan and those who are attempting, slyly, step by step, to undo -- and they are trying to undo -- all of what Kemal Ataturk wrought, when he systematically tied Islam, as a political and social force, up in knots.

Islam as a vehicle of Arab supremacism.

It is true. It needs to be said, again and again, all over the Muslim-ruled lands, with the details spelled out. It can be done.

But not if all the Infidels can think of doing is "winning in Iraq" through "the surge" and suchlike.

Who will start to use his brains, to divide and demoralize and weaken the Camp of Islamic Jihad? Is there anyone in power, or anyone likely to come to power as an advisor, who will be capable of this?

Or are "we the ones we have been waiting for?" And if so, how do "we" obtain the ear of those who are likely to be the next ones strolling down those same, slippery, strewn-with-banana-peels, corridors of power?

Posted by Hugh at February 22, 2008 9:10 AM
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Well, you know what they say about projection...and Ahmadinejad does a lot of it.

Posted by: carpediadem [TypeKey Profile Page] at February 22, 2008 10:17 AM


Hugh-

Hitler and Co. used exactly the same language re Jews as the Muslims. Meanwhile in Kosovo-Sudetenland, a part of Serbia is being ripped-off in the manner Munich in 1938. The British and French (with no voice from the Chechs) turned over Chech territory to Nazi Germany. Hitler laughed at chamberlain for being fooled by that "ethnic minority" scam and it did not bring "peace in our time".

Hitler's dream of a "Greater Albania" has come true. The Serbs are in the same place as the Chechs in 1938-voiceless pawns of the "Great powers" and President Bush is playing the role of Neville Chamberlain as It's amazing.

Hitler is back, Hugh. The SOB is back.

Posted by: Frank [TypeKey Profile Page] at February 22, 2008 10:28 AM

There have been times in the past where I looked at the events leading up to World War 2 and wondered how people felt as they saw the world spiral out of control. What thoughts were in their minds? How heavy was the burden in their hearts as they watched the elected leadership fail time and time again? What was it like to live in that age- to clearly see the dangers that approached- and yet have nothing substantial done to counter the threats?
I no longer have to wonder what it was like to live in 1938. Almost every day I see the same sorts of events happen again. The response is largely the same, and once again a lot of people will pay a very high price.

Posted by: livefreeordie! [TypeKey Profile Page] at February 22, 2008 10:46 AM

hey have a chance to redeem themselves from the charge that Islam treats non-Muslims only as inferiors, allowed to avoid the other alternatives (death or conversion) only by submitting to the status of dhimmi,
could this be where Hitler got the idea for an Aryan super race. After all the Arabs have been pulling this scam has 780 ad and anyone that can read can clearly see the Koran is nothing more than a cheap rip off by a illiterate Bedouin Arabs
and if you look at history, barbarians like the Bedouin always think they're the best people because their nomadic and are not tied down to anywhere except their herds and see anyone else as a sucker to be fleeced or Robbed is it any wonder Hitler's autobiography is the next most book next the Koran in the Middle East. Given the Arab belief they are the best of all people, because Mohammed said so

Posted by: doglover [TypeKey Profile Page] at February 22, 2008 10:53 AM

Don't forget that the Serbs were with the Allied Powers in World War 2. Croatia fought on the Axis (Nazi) side. France did not soon forget this fact; Bill Clinton disregarded it in the '90s.

When the Bosnia War broke out during the Clinton administration, I was most concerned with the fact that World War 1 was sparked by a Bosnian Serb in Sarajevo. Austria-Hungary had recently annexed Bosnia. A Bosnian Serb assassinated the Archduke Ferdinand, heir apparent to the Austro-Hungarian Kaiser. Austria declared war on Serbia and the rest is history. I understand that the Allied Powers, as well as Russia, took Serbia's side. Austria-Hungary and Germany were our enemies in that war.

It is unfortunate that today's American public and politicians are so ignorant of early 20th century history.

Posted by: CTYankee [TypeKey Profile Page] at February 22, 2008 11:00 AM

livefreeordie!-

There is indeed a "Deja vu, again" feel to this era and the run-up to the genocide of WW2. The appeasers of our time are going to bring the world to a catastrophe. We have learned nothing. This Kosovo-Sudetenland-Munich-style-deal by the "Great Powers" is part of the appeasement picture and the routine language re genocide of Jews in Israel is not condemned. Hitler is back.

Posted by: Frank [TypeKey Profile Page] at February 22, 2008 11:01 AM

Say what you will, who would know more about bacteria than people who won't scrub for surgery or disinfect their hands, in a clinical setting, with any product containing alcohol?

Posted by: Abscedere [TypeKey Profile Page] at February 22, 2008 11:25 AM

We could have a little play where Bush plays Chamberlain at Munich, Fibrahim Hooper and CAIR play the German-American Bund, and a whole mess of guys play Hitler. Ed-209 Lakovic can play an "oppressed minority" in the Sudatenland and tell us about her mistreatment by the Chechs. Call the play "Hitler's Moustache". In the play the a flying moustache keeps moving from face to face. Now its on Ahmadinejad's face, then it's on Arafat's picture on the wall, it's on a Qu'ran, etc. and everybody is chasing it with a butterfly net.

Posted by: Frank [TypeKey Profile Page] at February 22, 2008 11:30 AM

Livefreeordie, I used to have a "Life" magazine from 1940 in my collection that had a long article that tried to set out a future America and how we would deal with a victorious Germany. At that time it looked very, very bleak for Britian and also looked as if we could stay out of the war. At that time the only possible way we could be drawn into the war was if Canada became occupied because Britian was conquered. German occupation troops in Canada would be a serious threat. In 1940 there was no cause to believe that the US would be in a war; life went on as usual.

As to that particular issue of "Life" and why I no longer have it, at a flea market, I traded it and ten dollars for the issue that has Patton on the cover.

Posted by: Pelayo [TypeKey Profile Page] at February 22, 2008 11:31 AM

Or are "we the ones we have been waiting for?"

Posted by Hugh at February 22, 2008 9:10 AM

Hitler is back, Hugh. The SOB is back.

Posted by: Frank

I no longer have to wonder what it was like to live in 1938.

Posted by: livefreeordie!


We can see the train coming. We can't believe it is about to happen again. How do we get out of the way? We know what has to happen. How do we get "them" to listen. This is what our country is suppose to be about. The ability to save your a$$! How, before it is too late. Our kids are at stake here.

Posted by: jindle86 [TypeKey Profile Page] at February 22, 2008 11:38 AM

"If Arab Muslims actually had the slightest bit of real "tolerance" in the Western sense, they would first come to understand that in the vast areas of the Middle East and North Africa, there are others besides themselves..."
by Hugh

But they do understand that there are others besides themselves. Their laws reflect it. The others are the ones who pay the jizya and wear different clothing and always keep their heads down.

A Muslim columnist is suddenly having second thoughts about how Islam has driven others from the lands it dominates. He is realizing the damage done to those societies by the forced, if not forcible, eviction of others from the land of Islam.

But can such musings be believed? Does he believe that there are other cultures worth preserving or is his intent to preserve Arab supremacy (which doesn't mean much if there are no non-Arabs to be supreme over). What does Islam do when the entire world is one Arab community?

Posted by: PMK [TypeKey Profile Page] at February 22, 2008 11:58 AM

I read somewhere that Amahdinijad is Turkish...
Strange bedfellows, these Islamics...I wonder if Arab muslims, aware of their supremacy, view non Arab muslims, as useful idiots?

Posted by: duh_swami [TypeKey Profile Page] at February 22, 2008 12:09 PM

As to the religion, you should not have any doubt of its viciousness and imperious nature. As a non-Arab Christian living among them at a time, they would not address me by my Christian name; each of their locality had its own Arabic name for me, in spite of my protestation—Resistance is futile.

As to its viciousness, you only need to see how your inhabitants discarded their old roots, rushing to embrace the religion. The Dawa is very successful in converting the U.S. prison inmates because it fits best to their taste, while they are still in their bitterness and anger and hatred for the whites. On the other hand, for some the whites, the religion is very appealing because they are dazzled by the princes, who flaunt the petro-dollar here—I am speaking without malice.

When I was in college, I was surrounded by their princes who wanted my homework solutions. I saw how many beautiful, white girls went to bed with them for only a piece of nice, expensive clothing or gifts given them. Nothing was hid from me; I was counted as one of them because I was once inhabited in their land. Unlike T.E. Lawrence, I have no love for them. As a Christian, I saw all the abominations under their roofs. I cannot go into much detail without making anyone cry because they are our daughters. I know you will cry because of all those who read my journals, they all cried.

I have enough stories written to make up a four-1000-page volume, but they will assassinate me for it. I often wanted to tell you stories, but I feel very discourage by those who spit at my poor English grammar or spellings. I met only a handful here who are humble enough to disregard my bad English language skill. I have told my self from time to time not to ever contribute to this site again; yet I feel sorry for you.

When I was with the military, I could not speak much English. I worked among your scientists and engineers. They were very patient with me; they endured all my weaknesses, but when I step out of the base, many called me an idiot or shouted, “Go back to your country!” You need not feel sorry for me because I am a strong survivor. I still love this country because this is all I have.

Is this all you have?

Posted by: ssa [TypeKey Profile Page] at February 22, 2008 12:25 PM

ssa:

I can't speak for everyone who posts regularly here, but I would be surprised if any wished for you to stay silent. Your English is really quite good, and your stories need to be told so that others can get the true insight into what life is like in Islam-dominated societies. All Americans come from immigrants, and any immigrant who loves this country is a great American in my book.
All best,
JA

Posted by: JohnAdams [TypeKey Profile Page] at February 22, 2008 12:59 PM

Yes, "we" have learned nothing. The question is, have the intended victims of the coming genocide, the Jews, learned anything? I mean, imagine a susan douglas as foreign policy advisor to the President. Do the Israelis still have the mental toughness to defend themselves against genocide once the U.S. State Department ceases to be a luke-warm 'ally', even in name only, and actually becomes an overt enemy? If they do not, it will be the end for them, and it will hasten the end for the rest of us. If they do, they might save not only themselves, but ultimately the rest of us as well.

Posted by: Infidel33 [TypeKey Profile Page] at February 22, 2008 1:29 PM

Most of mankind has forgotten the lessons which the 1930s should teach all of us. What makes this all the more troubling is that Islam has a level of respectability given it by much of the world that Nazism could have only wished for. Whatever pass was given to Nazism by apologists for it in the West in the interwar period pales in comparison to the slack cut Islam by far too many Westerners. So, it's the 1930s all over again, except this time it's on steroids.

Posted by: Wellington [TypeKey Profile Page] at February 22, 2008 1:49 PM

JohnAdams-

ssa should hear my mother's Brooklyn accent. He'd have no inferiority-complex after that. I can just imagine her talking to Jackie Mason. ssa does all right.

Posted by: Frank [TypeKey Profile Page] at February 22, 2008 2:14 PM

Pelayo,

I think your magazine trade was a good one!

I'd like to say that such thinking is improbably-that there is no way we'd sit idly by and wait until the Nazi's had occupied Canada before we reacted. But what have we done now? The enemy is within our own country (and doing well), yet we do almost nothing. The enemy is within the borders of our allies in Europe, yet they do nothing. I know the root cause is much deeper and fighting the terrorists themselves is only attacking the symptoms, but if we only barely take actions to secure our own living quarters when the thief is in the yard...then what does that say about our will and ability to truly confront the threats we face?
We give money and weapons to the "palestinians" and turn out back on Israel?
We tell the Israeli's to give away control of their land when they're surrounded by enemies on all sides and within?
We know infiltrators are coming across our southern border, but we don't really secure the border?
We know the enemy uses their churches for recruitment, funding, and training the enemy but we don't prosecute the people involved to any great extent?
The list could go on for quite a while...

jindle86 is right about a train coming. We see it, but the people who could really make a difference are willfully blind just as they were in the 1930's. That scares me more than anything else. We talked to the Nazi's and appeased the Nazi's to the point that civilization was damn-near wiped out. If Hitler had recognized the ability of the advanced weapons at his fingertips the European theatre would have been totally lost. If they had succeeded in developing nuclear weapons first there would have been no "getting along" with the Nazi's- we would have had no choice but to do their bidding.

Now we find ourselves in a very similar situation. We've done some fighting plus a heck of a lot of talking, and appeasing. Where will it all lead this time around? The stakes are just as high as before, and we're still walking along with our eyes closed just like we did in the 1930's.

Posted by: livefreeordie! [TypeKey Profile Page] at February 22, 2008 2:18 PM

And until the Arabs recognize the existence and legitimacy of these peoples, by ceasing to threaten the Kurds and the Berbers, by ceasing to treat non-Arab Muslims as inferiors to be deprived of autonomy and subject to Arab linguistic and cultural imperialism, they will also remain open to the charge -- a truthful one -- that Islam is, and always has been, a vehicle of Arab imperialism.
.................................

I really hate to play devil's advocate--especially with these devils--but what's in it for them?

Some Westerners do seem aware of deep-rooted Arab anti-semiitism, although even here many just attribute it to Israel's putative oppression of the "Palestinians". I think few people are aware of the hatred of Christians and other non-Muslims. If it comes up at all, as with southern Sudan, I think most people just consider it a sign of general religious intolerance--or even just a dispute over land or sovereigncy--that could happen anywhere in the world. Very few people are aware of the organized exploitation and humiliation of non-Muslims under dhimmitude.

Even fewer, I believe, are aware of Arab supremisism as regards non-Arab Muslims. I know that I used to use the terms "the Muslim world" and "the Arab world" almost interchangably until about ten years ago. Perhaps I was unusually ignorant, but I doubt it.

Of course, I wasn't a total idiot--if you had asked me if Indians, or Indonesians, or Malaysians, were ethnic Arabs, I would have realized that they were not. But I would not have realized that there was anything particularly significant about this. I knew about Berbers and Kurds, but I had thought that their oppression was due to their minority status in undemocratic countries, nothing more.

As to the Qur'an, I would have thought that it's being written in classical Arabic--essentially a dead language--was no more significant than the books of the bible having being written in ancient Hebrew and Aramaic.

A few people do understand about Arab supremecism, but comparatively few. If pressed on it, reforms might--might--be possible, even though it is so ingrained. But I think that very few are likely to call them on it. Most people seem to believe that the only supremecist ideologies are Western imperialism and white racism.


Posted by: gravenimage [TypeKey Profile Page] at February 22, 2008 2:28 PM

ssa,

Thank you for contributing. I hope you continue to do so.

I actually haven't noticed anything wrong with your English -- I'm a native speaker but just tend to assume that minor errors are typos, goodness knows I produce enough of them myself.

As for the idiots who shout go back to your country, on the basis of your looks or speech: I am sorry you have had to endure that. It is not right. Most of us here anyway have parents or grandparents or great-grandparents who have had to enure the same.

On your question, is this all that I have: My beliefs and my knowledge are all I really have. I love what America was founded on, I love its core principles. I don't "have" them except through my knowledge and beliefs. To the extent that it exists materially outside of those, fools can crush it, and might; so I don't really have it. If they do crush it, I'll still know and I'll still have known it was right. Truth exterminated from human society is still Truth, nonetheless, and as such likely to eventually rise again.

So far as your stories, I am sure they are sad and interesting as you claim. It is a shame you don't feel safe publishing them. Have you thought of changing the names, and picking out a selection that make it most difficult for you to be identified, and publishing under a pen name?

I don't see inhabitants here "rushing" to embrace Islam. I do see inhabitants here as being the victims of social engineering which has robbed them of their own cultural heritage, but I see far more drawn to Evangelical Christianity in their search for a replacement, than Islam. Also Orthodox Christianity is seeing a rise in conversion in the US, as people seek to embrace its traditions. Many people want to connect to something with roots, and it fits that. Prisons, as you note, are the primary exception from these trends. Aside from them, conversion to Islam is rare, and typically a step taken by mentally and emotionally troubled people, not healthy, honestly seeking ones.

On what you mention of your stories:

I don't care that the girls that had sex with the princes for luxury consumer goods were beautiful, and I don't care about their race or skin, and I don't care that you see them as "our daughters". I care that they did it voluntarily. They've induldged in vanity, and were used as a result, no better than prostitutes. I have contempt for them, unless they repent, and only then do I have pity.

This sounds harsh but this is the harshness of a young woman who has tried to talk out friends from patently foolish "relationships" to fail simply because reason is sometimes no match for vanity. Maybe it looks different from the perspective of men, but women have the capacity to think, and not get swept up in vain fantasy about being special little princesses for whom everything will work out, and the moral onus is on them to do so.

I don't see such women as those you describe as "our daughters". I identify along lines of belief and principle, not racial lines, and not even so much nationalistic ones. And I do not identify with the free love, or date-for-gifts crowd. They chose their path, and it isn't mine.

There are Christian girls in Egypt who are kidnapped, with the approval of the police, and forced to marry Muslims and bear Muslim children, forced to convert and never again see their parents. Some of them die, jumping out of windows for example, to attempt escape and avoid forced conversion and to keep their faith. They and others like them are "our" daughters and sisters. Not the beautiful college co-eds that can be bought with a few sly words and a Gucci handbag. White skin isn't what counts; women aren't animal breeding stock but thinking, feeling, human beings, with moral duties.

And more generally, across the third world, economic conditions brought on by rampant oppression brought on by unchecked power, lead to impoverished women that must sell themselves, not for luxury goods, but to feed their children. Look up info on the sex trade in Bangaladesh, for example. Such women possibly have an excuse for prostitution. American co-eds voluntarily sleeping with princes for material goodies do not.

Posted by: hope_and_justice [TypeKey Profile Page] at February 22, 2008 3:21 PM

Wow, great thread. So back to Hugh's question: HOW?

Maybe the women. ssa & hope_and_justice The single brutality on women impacts everyone directly. The world isn't going to feel pity for the evil Jooo or Crusader.

The world will wake up when the nuclear event happens. It will be in the US. For those who are not in potentially 9 major cities, they will take up the fight.

Ali Hirshi had a back page editiorial about her experience in the Dallas Morning News today. He got so close to telling the truth, laying it all out. I was about to hand it to my wife and say see. But then *poof* it was over, missed opportunity.

So SSA, lay it out, protect yourself, the world wants to educate itself about this scurge.

I was born Christian, married and converted to Judiaism. To the women out there. My daughter is 11. I have three younger son's who will have to fight this if we don't. I have started easing this on her. Please provide any advice. I'm trying not to scare the shiite out of her, but the women need to know.

Is the Woman, the 1/3 voice, the savior? Certainly not Hildebeast. Not Condie.


Posted by: jindle86 [TypeKey Profile Page] at February 22, 2008 3:56 PM

What does Hugh Fitzgerald think of Jihadwatch readers using the same language as Iran's leader to describe Islam in general? Are they demonstrating the same malice and intolerance as that guy or is their hate unobjectionable whereas Ahmadenijad's is?

Posted by: ibrahimX [TypeKey Profile Page] at February 22, 2008 4:35 PM

ibrahimX,

Quote five examples, verbatim, one from each month (current month of February, January, December 07, November, October). For each month you will have approximately 150 threads to choose from.

Be sure to include name of commenter, and time and date stamp.

If you can't do that, then you have no case.

Happy hunting!

Posted by: cantor [TypeKey Profile Page] at February 22, 2008 4:55 PM

What does Hugh Fitzgerald think of Jihadwatch readers using the same language as Iran's leader to describe Islam in general? Are they demonstrating the same malice and intolerance as that guy or is their hate unobjectionable whereas Ahmadenijad's is?

Posted by: ibrahimX at February 22, 2008 4:35 PM

ibrahimX-

Obviously you think Ahmadenijad is an "islamophobe". That's the whole point of Jihadwatch. Where is the outrage?, the marches?, the condemnation? of him by Muslims for what he says? There should be marches and condemnation in every Muslim country. Where are they? Instead, Kuffirs get this bullshit from Muslims that we don't understand Islam. Go tell them that-not us. We don't want to hear the bullshit anymore.

Posted by: Frank [TypeKey Profile Page] at February 22, 2008 5:36 PM

ibrahimx: To the extent you have a valid point, it is first necessary to assume that Islam is a good thing. But what if it isn't? What if Islam, all of Islam, is the one world religion which is, as Bertrand Russell characterized it, the only faith that is totalitarian in structure and theory? Why should non-Muslims, in light of all the violence perpetrated by untold numbers of Muslims across the earth (over ten thousand such incidents alone since 9/11), have any good reason to conclude that Islam in no more a threat to mankind than any other religious creed? After all, Buddhist monks hijacking airplanes, Presbyterian suicide bombers, Lutherans sawing off heads, Catholics taking hostages and Hindus proclaiming that their faith will one day be the religion of all the earth are kind of a scarce phenomenon, wouldn't you say?

Posted by: Wellington [TypeKey Profile Page] at February 22, 2008 6:17 PM
Posted by: ssa [TypeKey Profile Page] at February 22, 2008 12:25 PM

Please, for the love of God, start a blog and start posting about this.

Posted by: PRCalDude [TypeKey Profile Page] at February 22, 2008 6:24 PM

I am very grateful for your overwhelming encouragement. You surprised me when I peeked in. For years I have kept my journals very secrete and revealed them only to my intimate friends. I had no idea that I could receive such warm response from you. I can never thank you enough for it. I now feel that I ought to publish it one way or the other. You may not find it in the market soon, due to many obstacles. I am currently raising a child and do not wish him to become an orphan, but I will make great effort to publish it when my son has become of age.

I need time to work on the book now, and you may not see me here at this site any time soon. If there is any consolation, I will keep the print out (24 hours from now) of all your warm encouragement to remind me of you.

I have never seen women as on fire as this. You know, America, you ought to be proud of your women!

Christians: Aqqan qam! (He has risen indeed!)
Jews: Shalom!

Posted by: ssa [TypeKey Profile Page] at February 22, 2008 7:09 PM

ssa, it is very easy and FREE to start your own blog -- and you can remain anonymous.

One good free blog site is:

https://www.blogger.com/start

Posted by: cantor [TypeKey Profile Page] at February 22, 2008 7:23 PM

SSA, your English is much better than my poor German, which many native speakers have graciously suffered through (unfortunately, a flair for languages is not amoung my talents).

As many other posters have noted, I think we would be very interested in your stories and first-hand experiences. You can share any relavent stories here, I'm sure. You might consider starting a blog to get more of your stories out there. Good luck!

Posted by: gravenimage [TypeKey Profile Page] at February 22, 2008 11:07 PM

I can add you as a contributor to mine if you want.

Posted by: PRCalDude [TypeKey Profile Page] at February 22, 2008 11:24 PM

Are they demonstrating the same malice and intolerance as that guy or is their hate unobjectionable whereas Ahmadenijad's is?

Things that are hateful DESERVE to be hated. Islam has earned that honor in spades.

The ironic thing is, Muslims brought it on themselves. If you're going to make a claim such as "Muslims are the best people", and that non-Muslims are "unclean", you can't possibly believe that others who are not Muslims are going to scoff. No one forced Muslims to make that claim and you certainly can't possibly believe that "Allah", who does not exist, really believes Muslims are the best people.

As Nietzsche said, "When someone is falling, kick him." I just wish the Western world would take that sage advice.

Posted by: venividivici [TypeKey Profile Page] at February 23, 2008 10:36 AM

It is painful to watch the consolidation of inner border problems into Nation State status. It tends to clarify things in an abstract way.

All these Loony Tunes are being condensed into Identifiable Groups, with Defined Borders and clearly expressed Ideology. All of which are clearly the opposite of ours. Blowing away the Smoke Screen of Victim hood under which they have been hiding.

Now Collective responsibility is held by all from the words and actions of their leadership. The fact that so many hide from the World as a result of their Views speaks loudly of their desire to worship the Great God JDAM

Posted by: flowerknife_us [TypeKey Profile Page] at February 23, 2008 1:00 PM

Besides oil (which said oil, most of it would still be in the ground if it were not for Western ingenuity), falafels, swords for the Pope, and gifts of headscarves for our Laura, does Islam have anything of value to export, such as this?

And is it true that ninety to ninety-five percent of all females in Egypt and Saudi Arabia have had surgery in their crotch areas? Wow, and that this goofball type of thinking by the learned, scholarly Islamic "men" is what that satanic, Islamic Qu'ran dictates Allah prescribes done to all future females on the earth? So a stereotype could be made of Islamic "men," that they are all made to think and act in an evil way by that goofy book, the Qu'ran?

Ok, so to further this train of thought, Islamic men only create lesser cultures, civilizations, and nation-states in comparison to Western because of the nonsense inside the Qu'ran, which cannot be inspired by the Creator of the Universe because Islamic "men" are only better, or will only become better once they migrate and reside in a Western culture.

And so to conclude, the thoughts generated from the Qu'ran must be for the hapless souls who know no better way to clarify and understand what the Creator of the Universe is all about.

Sometimes one must think it through by spelling it out, in order to clarify the reality of the situation.

Posted by: k24anson [TypeKey Profile Page] at February 23, 2008 3:26 PM

Can there ever be any fourteen year old Islamic girl, anywhere and at anytime in the world, who could possibly do any deed or act to enable people to say, "... and the crowd loves it!" ?

Let me answer my own question: NO, never! Period.

People do need to see more and more, in order to realize and to fully appreciate why the West is the Best, to understand ...

A media bombardment of the Best of the West targeting the Islamic world to portray ours against theirs.

Islamic "men" have been rendered dopes by the Qu'ran. Their culture could be portrayed as so inferior to Western, if portrayed by a media outlet that knew what it was doing.

... since no one else wants to do so, the world will simply have to wait until I have the resources to do so. Oh, well ...

Posted by: k24anson [TypeKey Profile Page] at February 23, 2008 5:12 PM

Infidel 33:

How about you do your own saving of your own a$$ and not rely on the Israelis to do it for you?

they have quite enough to do, and are being crapped on while doin it! They don't need extra burdens. This Jesus complex, let them die for us garbage has to stop.

if you want saving, you do it. Yo mobilise your friends and allies and neighbours. you have plenty of resources in the US, the UK, media galore just waiting to be fed.

Maybe if the Israelis go down all is finished - so HELP them, help the Jews, don't burden them with your need to be saved.

Do you have a tongue? Use it!
Fingers to type and dial? USE them!
Digicam? Film something and put it on the web!!
Write to congress, join the army,.

Don't put it all on Israel.

Posted by: carpediadem [TypeKey Profile Page] at February 24, 2008 7:05 AM

Infidel 33:

How about you do your own saving of your own a$$ and not rely on the Israelis to do it for you?

they have quite enough to do, and are being crapped on while doin it! They don't need extra burdens. This Jesus complex, let them die for us garbage has to stop.

if you want saving, you do it. You mobilise your friends and allies and neighbours. you have plenty of resources in the US, the UK, media galore just waiting to be fed.

Maybe if the Israelis go down all is finished - so HELP them, help the Jews, don't burden them with your need to be saved.

Do you have a tongue? Use it!
Fingers to type and dial? USE them!
Digicam? Film something and put it on the web!!
Write to congress, join the army,.

Don't put it all on Israel.

Posted by: carpediadem [TypeKey Profile Page] at February 24, 2008 7:06 AM

ssa:


Put some extracts of your journals on jihadwatch.

You'll get a sympathetic reading here and no doubt readers here will pass them onto other bolgs.

Posted by: carpediadem [TypeKey Profile Page] at February 24, 2008 7:11 AM

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