yeah, they're right though that those of us who want the border closed are xenophobic bigots

/sarc (do I really need this?)

Posted by: eve_anne_gelical at February 22, 2008 11:16 AM

Why bother trying to sneek in, when El Presidente Heir Bush plans to import tens of thousands of these "up standing "future" citizens".

Posted by: senor doeboy at February 22, 2008 11:20 AM

Maybe immigration policy is the issue of the presidential race?

Posted by: tanstaafl at February 22, 2008 11:21 AM

Why bother trying to sneek in, when El Presidente Heir Bush plans to import tens of thousands of these "up standing "future" citizens".
Posted by: senor doeboy

You beat me to the punch on that one. LOL

Posted by: duh_swami at February 22, 2008 11:27 AM

So if America is such a terrible and evil place, why are so many trying to sneak in?

Never hear the headline of two Americans caught trying to sneak into Iran. Or Cuba. Why is that?

Posted by: walterc at February 22, 2008 11:45 AM

Maybe immigration policy is the issue of the presidential race?

tanstaafl,
It is for the people but the three candidates don't care and all have offered the same thing: amnesty, amnesty, amnesty. Everyone who illegally comes over our southern border is "looking for work". Count on the "path to citizenship" opening up in 2009.

I had to wonder why a government that openly tells its own citizens how to evade US immigration law would do this. I have just one answer: the Mexicans who are raking in the bucks are in Europe. THIS operation doesn't directly benefit Mexico. Stopping it helps more than it hurts because it lets our government pretend its Mexican counterpart cares about rule of law.

Posted by: PMK at February 22, 2008 11:48 AM

They just want to come to the US to do the Jobs the Mexicans won't do.

Posted by: AllahSnackbar at February 22, 2008 12:26 PM

tanstaafl said

Maybe immigration policy is the issue of the presidential race?

I agree. Or maybe it is more generally the issue of how to deal with the jihad that is being waged against us.

And maybe none of the three remaining candidates will touch either topic with a 10-foot pole. Or a 10-mile pole.

Forget national security, forget the people who will suffer, forget the moral obligation we have to protect our freedoms for future generations. Just look at the economics: How much would it cost to build effective border controls, vs. How much would it cost to clean up after another 9/11 attack? I don't see how immigration policy can even be a debatable issue in the campaign; who could argue against it? Which is why they stick to Plan B: ignore it.

Posted by: special_guest at February 22, 2008 12:37 PM

walterc said

So if America is such a terrible and evil place, why are so many trying to sneak in?

Because Allah commands it. All is for Allah. Allah cannot share.

Posted by: special_guest at February 22, 2008 12:40 PM

This reminds me again of a story from yesterday's AP News:

"UN to US: Do more against racism"

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080221/ap_on_re_eu/un_us_racial_discrimination_1

'"Especially since 9/11, immigrants and refugee communities in the United States have been subjected ... to a range of systematic human rights violations directed by the federal government, local county and state governments, law enforcement agents, employers and private actors," he said.'

'"Especially Muslims are suffering from this, and measures are necessary to prevent this from continuing," said Kokou Mawuena Ika Kana Ewomsan, a human rights expert from Togo.'

Imagine, arresting people for illegally crossing the US border! Is that a violation of international law? Does Robert Mugabe sit on this committee?

Not to mention the "Muslim is a race" nonsense.

Posted by: CTYankee at February 22, 2008 12:51 PM

These are Christian names here, not Muslim names. Why the fuss? I know it's not right to cross into America illegally but Iraqi Christian refugees, like all refugees, cannot get visas the legal way so they have to sneak in. If anything, the fuss should be directed at the piss poor ICE.

Posted by: wrathofasma at February 22, 2008 12:54 PM

How many hundreds of others, how many thousands of others have already arrived? How many thousands exactly like these invaders are now lurking safely inside of the hundreds upon hundreds of Muslim colonies across America, colonies which have sprouted like poisonous mushrooms across our land?

Posted by: jsla at February 22, 2008 1:05 PM

You may find this hard to believe, but I have found the Mexican immigration agents in Monterrey to be "sharper" than those in Mexico City, and many other border posts in Mexico. In addition, as the US border is only 135 miles North, they see a lot of traffic by people using the Monterrey airport as a final point before sneaking in to the USA. The local agents are aware of this, and anyone presenting a passport, other than Mexican, USA or Canadian, gets more than a simple "once over".

Posted by: kenprice at February 22, 2008 1:17 PM

Gorgies is in fact a Christian name. Robert: I guess this is a good example of the "non-news" I was telling you about.

Posted by: TheDudeAbides at February 22, 2008 1:38 PM

Most of these Iraqis are likely Chaldean Christians.
That's a popular route for smuggling Iraqi Christians in to the US.

Posted by: Mister Ghost at February 22, 2008 1:55 PM

It's hard sometimes to keep track of the rapidly dwindling Christian groups in Iraq, because you have the Chaldeans, the Assyrians, and the Nestorians.

Posted by: Mister Ghost at February 22, 2008 2:00 PM

Gorgies is in fact a Christian name. Robert: I guess this is a good example of the "non-news" I was telling you about. - TheDudeAbides

It's not "non-news" (double negative intended. Maybe I should have said it ain't no non-news...).

But what's newsworthy about it is that they tried, and it's part of a pattern (see Robert's link above on "Again."). And if anybody, including them, can try and sometimes get in, then anybody can try and sometimes get in, and sometimes launch an attack.

And it underscores two problems: One is the obvious one with our southern border. The other is how Western countries so often ignore the plight of non-Muslims in Muslim countries, the trouble they have at home, and the unjust treatment they often face in bureaucracies that, like the rest of the government, are set up to favor Muslims and see to it that non-Muslims "feel themselves subdued" (9:29) in every area of life. Like getting passports, other official papers, and visas.

Posted by: MarisolJW at February 22, 2008 2:08 PM

"These are Christian names here, not Muslim names. Why the fuss?"
by wrathofasma

The fuss is more with the criminals handing out the ids than with the illegals themselves. The fuss is with Mexico facilitating illegal border crossings. As for the Christian names, they may be false names (false ids) and where there's one there's another and another and another. The fuss is with people violating our immigration laws.

Posted by: PMK at February 22, 2008 2:28 PM

You may find this hard to believe, but I have found the Mexican immigration agents in Monterrey to be "sharper" than those in Mexico City, and many other border posts in Mexico.
by kenprice

I'm not surprised. Mexico is very strict about who it lets in. It's just not as mindful of American law when it facilitates the illegal migration of its own citizens, complains to our government when a drug dealer is shot by the border patrol (he wasn't stopped anywhere in Mexico!) or sends its police along the border to help drug dealers and other illegals cross. Mexico doesn't afford the US the same courtesy it demands for itself: picking and choosing who can enter and punishing heavily anyone who violates its law. Given this history, I ascribe less than pure motives to the Mexican officials. After all, the people they exposed had no intention of sending money back to Mexico - unlike most illegals from Mexico.

Posted by: PMK at February 22, 2008 2:38 PM

Here is a bit of funny stuff from IMAO, (I don't know how I missed it when it was new) still funny.
http://www.imao.us/archives/007105.html

Posted by: interestinconundrum at February 22, 2008 3:16 PM

Some credulous posters above amaze in their foolish fervor to assert silly things like: "These are Christian names here, not Muslim names" and "Why the fuss?" and "I guess this is a good example of the "non-news" I was telling you about."

If these credulous fools (I have a bridge to sell you) had read with any care the first sentence in this disturbing article, it states:

Two more Iraqis with false Bulgarian passports were detained by Mexican officials in Monterrey – bringing the total to four this month.

What part of "false Bulgarian passports" do you not comprehend? These people could be anybody -- and rather than assuming their motives or their preposterous story has a shred of truth, it's better to assume otherwise. They have been caught attempting to enter the USA legally -- they have gone to great lengths and spent a great amount of money to obtain false documents, and arrive here surreptitiously. If their intention were as simple and pure as they claim, "fleeing the war", there have been many safe points in between the Muslim hell hole of Iraq and a remote airport in Mexico to do so.

So after lying at just about every stage, after spending a staggering sum of money for Iraqis in a supposedly devastated-by-war homeland, after lying to officials and doing everything to conceal their true identity (which is still completely unknown) and their intentions (which also remain completely unknown) several extremely foolish posters above are willing to assume the best, and even have the temerity to chastise Robert Spencer for posting this item.

How utterly muddle brained or deliberately obtuse can some people possibly be?

Posted by: jsla at February 22, 2008 4:02 PM

(please read "illegaly" for "legally" above...)

Posted by: jsla at February 22, 2008 4:04 PM

Nicely said, jsla.

Posted by: special_guest at February 22, 2008 4:49 PM

Dear Jsla,
The names are in fact Arabic, and not Bulgarian. Just stating my opinion only. Resorting to name-calling reminds me of those very same people this blog is trying to expose. You're better than that. Personally I don't think highly of WND (the source used for this entry). I think this blog has higher standards than that.

Posted by: TheDudeAbides at February 22, 2008 5:08 PM

I suppose we're supposed to be happy that these two didn't make it across the border. Just think of the thousands that have made it.

Posted by: rational at February 22, 2008 6:23 PM

(please read "illegally" for "illegaly" above...) ((iPod touch not conducive.))

Posted by: jsla at February 22, 2008 7:40 PM

HMM it is a mistake to make light, or not take seriously any such incident. Do we even know that those 'Christian names', are even their names?
The ones who don't get caught don't get investigated. The ones that do get caught, should be examined with a magnifying glass, and a bright light...innocence in these cases should not be assumed...

Posted by: duh_swami at February 22, 2008 11:22 PM

If you are breaking US law to get in to the US, is it possible you might be breaking a few other things as well?

The rule of law might seem draconian to some, but without it...................pick the Islamic "Republic" of your choice and another inevitable human rights abuse and insert here.

Posted by: tanstaafl at February 23, 2008 5:52 PM

Duh, of course they're fleeing the war. Who would want to stay in Iraq?

Posted by: Comment at February 24, 2008 12:03 AM

I wonder what the number is that gets through? Anyone willing to venture a guess? 10-1, 20-1...Who really knows? The US border has gaping holes in it, and Mexican drug lords to smuggle them in...

Posted by: Yaupon at February 24, 2008 12:58 AM