Maybe, but the fatties aren't trying to kill the rest of us, or force us to eat more Twinkies and potato chips. And they don't make bomb-vests in 3X size.

Posted by: ebonystone at February 25, 2008 11:58 AM

Considering that most of the detainees in Guatanamo have gained weight during their stay, we've been fighting terrorism with obesity all along.

Posted by: Bigfoot at February 25, 2008 12:00 PM

I will file this with the University studies on things like;

Cats will give you mental disease, dogs and cats will give you urinary tract infections, pork is bad for you, beef is bad for and on and on and on.

It just consider where these studies come from. Universities that are so caught up in West-hate and funded by SA that anything they say is suspect.

Posted by: Aunt Bea at February 25, 2008 12:05 PM

Maybe we should air-drop crates of junk food over Waziristan. If the jdams don't get 'em, the nacho chips will. And don't forget the dip.

Posted by: jewdog at February 25, 2008 12:05 PM

Forcing the detainees at Gitmo to put on weight is torture akin to waterboarding. The detainees are held down while hamburgers, fried chicken and french fries and many other trans fat laden foods are poured over their face. The detainee has an overwhelming feeling of being bloated. This torture must end.

Posted by: TheOmegaMan at February 25, 2008 12:06 PM

Obesity may indeed kill more people than jihadis but so do traffic accidents..so does cancer.. yada yada yada. If left to fester jihadis will ultimately kill everyone who is not a muslim.
Leftism is a mental disorder from which only a few recover.

Posted by: pismopal at February 25, 2008 12:10 PM

Everyone go back to sssssssssssssssleeeeeep.

Posted by: Charles Bogle at February 25, 2008 12:11 PM

J-walking and running red lights are a big killer in my neck of the woods. Maybe the goberment will give me a couple of billion to do a study. Oh, it should come out of the obesity pocket not the defense fund. Got to keep the priorities straight, ya know.

This does speak to a larger and important issue that is not often address directly, PRIORITIES. Unless I am wrong the main purpose of the peoples government is to provide security and prevent attacks from abroad and within. WAAAY, down on the list is the notion of protecting people from there stupidity of not pushing away from the table.

JUST MY HUMBLE OPINION!

Posted by: Im.mad.as.HELL! at February 25, 2008 12:12 PM

Judging by the most recent images of the fat liar and KSM, they both look like they have been having lots of pork sausage.

Posted by: Ken CleanAirSystem at February 25, 2008 12:12 PM

I would prefer death by obesity than death from the obese.

Posted by: pismopal at February 25, 2008 12:13 PM

Odd...I've not been reading about overweight people ranting and raving about their desire to destroy Isreal, nor their quest to obtain nuclear weapons.

Once again...another clueless university prof.

jewdog could very well be correct! Airdropping crates full of potato chips, beer, and "Victoria's Secret" catalogs might help ease their suffering and prevent so many from considering explosive-assisted suicide as a good idea.

Posted by: livefreeordie! at February 25, 2008 12:15 PM

I'd rather die a happy fat ass, drinking champagne and eating cheesecake than being blown to bits on a bus, airplane, etc.

Only a self-hating Westerner can confuse the long-term consequences of self-inflicted with a sudden, violent and horrific death inflicted by a misguided religious zealot.

Posted by: 3812Michelle at February 25, 2008 12:17 PM

"we have met the enemy and he is us"?

How do these people say such things and not burst out laughing?

We are told that obesity, global warming, and second hand smoke (just to name a few)pose a greater threat to us than people trying to kill us and destroy our way of life. Makes sense to me :-S

Posted by: Mr Ape Pig at February 25, 2008 12:19 PM

"...self-inflicted overindulgence..."

Posted by: 3812Michelle at February 25, 2008 12:20 PM

People choose to eat, people choose to smoke. People dont choose to be blown up by the agents of allah.

Posted by: Elric66 at February 25, 2008 12:21 PM

"No tendency is quite so strong in human nature as the desire to lay down rules of conduct for other people." - William Howard Taft

Translated:

You can't eat that, drink that, smoke that, watch that, read that, or do that. It's bad for you, and we will stop you, even if we have to scare you with phoney data.

Posted by: Pelayo at February 25, 2008 12:22 PM

I think the illustrous professor's plan to eliminate obesity is actually foolproof! We just focus our time and energy on these important threats to our society, thereby leaving the Islamist's a free hand to focus on threats to islam(piss be upon it). After they address those threats head on by trying to destroy us and probrably at least partly achieving that goal, our communications and infrastructure will be sufficiently disrupted enough to bring on massive........WaaaLa..Food Shortages! Magnificent! Brilliant! PROFESSOR

Posted by: CJK at February 25, 2008 12:27 PM

Regarding potato chips and junk food to pacify hostile populations in terrorist havens: be sure to employ halal snacks only--remember, poisonous najis Western corruption is only effective if it's alcohol/pork free!

Posted by: John C at February 25, 2008 12:28 PM

This post inspires me to rename Adam Gadahn, "tub of war"

Posted by: TS at February 25, 2008 12:38 PM

Finally, we are coming to clarity with respect to the muslim threat: it is akin to clap, syphillis, genital herpes, aids, etc, etc. Nowhere near the killer that is obesity.

Still, a cure would would be a good thing.

Posted by: HotSpur at February 25, 2008 12:54 PM

I know that we're talking about terrorism & obesity right now - so why am I SO focused on hot wax instead?

Posted by: champ at February 25, 2008 12:54 PM

Old age kills everyone in the end. So do you want to be killed by a terrorist, or wait till old age gets you? I know that's a tough choice, but we will all have to make it...

Posted by: duh_swami at February 25, 2008 1:02 PM

I suspect obesity kills more people than serial killers, gang bangers, terrorists and drunk drivers, combined.

We're obviously wasting a lot of valuable resources chasing after these killers which should be devoted to the war on fat.

After all, one never knows when a fat person might explode and take a dozen or so innocent bystanders with him.

What would really make us safer would be a war on pin-heads that come up with these kinds of ideas.

Posted by: rational at February 25, 2008 1:03 PM

Obesity = one person dies and it's their choice

Terrorism = thousands of people die without a choice

Posted by: champ at February 25, 2008 1:17 PM

Is this what Fatwa means ?

Posted by: ericthekuffar at February 25, 2008 1:28 PM

I like the theory - why not ship all our cholestorol rich foods to dar-ul-Islam, and let them be the ones suffering from obesity?

Posted by: Infidel Pride at February 25, 2008 1:41 PM

Obesity is definitely a crisis for the world and no doubt a cause of much misery. But so is starvation. Hundreds of millions go to bed hungry each night, and not by choice. So, a solution: Feed the obese to the hungry and voilà, problem solved!!!

Posted by: Seymour Paine at February 25, 2008 1:49 PM

One more example of why the phrase "war on terrorism" -- which focusses exclusive attention on violence as an instrument of Jihad, and ignores all the other, much more effective instruments of Jihad, as well as on the goals of Jihad themselves, and what, if achieved, those goals would mean for art, science, individual autonomy, political freedoms achieved slowly over time but undoable very quickly -- is so mad, bad, and dangerous to sow.

Posted by: Hugh at February 25, 2008 1:51 PM

This is why I don't like name calling. 'expert' has taken on the same meaning it seems as other leftie names. I also am a Catholic and have read many 'scholars' talk nonsense about islam.

The 'experts' and 'scholars' might be that in ONE subject - but not in what concerns islam.

And I like champs definitions! Maybe send them on to the 'experts' and 'scholars'.

Posted by: R_not at February 25, 2008 1:52 PM

If jihad means inner struggle, what about a jihad on fat? That sounds like a definition for diet. So these jihadis should have gone on a diet instead of 9-11ing by that logic. The experts should have declared jihad on fat and explained what jihad really means.

Posted by: Old Atlantic at February 25, 2008 1:53 PM

Being fat it will NEVER ... EVER kill you, why? Well, obesity CAN cause other diseases that will kill you, but by itself it won't... an example of this is artheroesclerosis.

I dont like when the media makes a show and starts crying wolf for something like this, there are other stuff that they should worry and report!

Like, paedophiles, islamic extremisms, jihad and other stuff...

But the media seems to love more about Paris Hilton underwear-less, Britney SPears baldness with her baby nutjob... than the real news.

But if we were to follow what those "experts"(which are in fact people who were too horrible at biology or medicine and decided to follow a lower career) we wouldn't eat almost anything! And even that, there are contradictory statements for various foods!

An example is, a glass of wine can make you live longer...

Posted by: Dr.CancerMan at February 25, 2008 2:32 PM

Poor diet, smoking and a lack of exercise are all risk factors that each human can take care of for himself without government assistance.

Government is there to protect MY right to LIFE, LIBERTY and pursuit of happiness. All of these are endangered by terrorists. NONE are threatened by ice cream, cigarettes or a couch.

Posted by: PMK at February 25, 2008 2:34 PM

I wonder if this crackpot professor would still tell us obesity is a bigger killer than terrorism if one day he fouind himself wearing an orange jumpsuit and had a rusty blade at his throat. Only a dumbnut who has been sheltered in an ivory tower for the last 30 years without ever making contact with the outside world could ever think such a thing and use it as a means of downplaying terrorism.

And lastly, I'm sure those victims of 911 certainly didn't believe that obesity is a bigger killer than terrorism in their final 20 seconds of life.

Posted by: Spirit Of 1683 at February 25, 2008 2:34 PM

This is just another example of obese-o-phobia. Only a tiny minority of obese persons actually die from their condition. Remember, obesity is the fastest growing demographic in the world (especially in Europe) and the vast majority of obese persons are just like you and me although they are more devoted to their beliefs: answering the "call to eat" up to 5 times a day. Obese people are also permitted to lie and deceive the non-obese in times of weakness such as "I really don't know what happened to that other twinkie".

Posted by: Xero G at February 25, 2008 2:35 PM

Weight gain an terrorism are 2 very different kind of problems. Weight gain is addressible (eat less, change your diet, exercise more) particularly in children.

The danger from Islamic extremism isn't just in direct deaths. It is in the soul killing culture. Look at Arab Muslim countries low literacy, rampant discrimination against anyone other than a Muslim male. The economic drain from this extremism is enormous. If the West every became Islamic for real, the destruction of the economic basis of the West also become real.

Posted by: Jerry M at February 25, 2008 3:00 PM

Women in the obese cult are easily recognized by their unique dress; stretch pants and tent-like tops (to conceal the body's shape) and no makeup (why bother?). They claim to be victims of discrimination, yet they believe themselves to be superior to the "thinfidels". When you see an obese person on the street, thinfidels must step aside and let them pass.

Posted by: Xero G at February 25, 2008 3:01 PM

Robert, that caption is perfect! I nearly fell off my chair laughing!

Posted by: desert dweller at February 25, 2008 3:31 PM

Fat-wha..?

Posted by: Allah Schmallah at February 25, 2008 3:47 PM

"Victoria's Secret" catalogs might help ease their suffering and prevent so many from considering explosive-assisted suicide as a good idea.
Posted by: livefreeordie!

-------

Not a good idea at all. That's gonna make them wanna come West.. I want them to stay HOME where they belong.

Posted by: Allah Schmallah at February 25, 2008 4:02 PM

New motto for the Troops

Praise the Lord and pass the Chips.

Posted by: flowerknife_us at February 25, 2008 4:08 PM

Damn, I thought my response was funny and pretty tame. Delete worthy? You be the judge.

Posted by: Bosch Fawstin at February 25, 2008 4:09 PM

Cars kill more of us, cigarettes, alcohol, drugs, age, diabetes, you name it: there must be a thousand things that kill more of us than terrorism.

But what kills me is f*kcing morons like these who come up with these senseless, idiotic equations, meaning exactly nothing.
This is the future of civilization that's at stake, no less. We don't need mental masturbators but people who are ready to pull the plug on Islam.

Posted by: sheik yer'mami at February 25, 2008 4:46 PM

I'm sure this is what the folks in Constantinople were thinking in 1452.

Posted by: EugeneNow! at February 25, 2008 5:18 PM

Wouldn't you like to put a "Kick me, I'm stupid" sign on US law professor Lawrence Gostin's back?

Posted by: Mister Ghost at February 25, 2008 5:18 PM

Bosch Fawstin -

You would have been safe with:

Fatwas from Fat Cats

(not as funny though)

:-)

Posted by: champ at February 25, 2008 5:30 PM

First of all;

I wish you would'nt mention chips, as we had enough trouble with that issue last night.

Now, Comfort eating or Islamic despots - tough one to call - but I think I'm gonna have to bail out on you here in favour of my sanity, and ignore my damned health.

Thankyou....

Posted by: Stopmakingsense at February 25, 2008 5:38 PM

Nice shirt, KSM. You borrow that from an elephant?

Adam Gadahn is nothing but a punk. He runs his jibs from a long, safe distance. I believe that most of our beautiful women in this country could kick his pathetic little ass.

Posted by: DCWatson at February 25, 2008 6:05 PM

I deal with disordered eating myself. I am coping with the problem because it does affect others around me. If I destroyed myself through binge eating, it would negatively my family and friends. It would be selfesh and I would bare responsibility for my own actions, as well as any pain that causes. However, being overweight (if one is unhealthy as a result) may have various moral implications, but it is certainly not illegal.

To compare that to someone who willingly goes out and murders civillians is ludicrous. There is no logical comparison.

Does this professor not understand the difference between selfish and sadistic, legal and illegal?

Is the professor attempting to criminalize obesity, whitewash terrorism, or both?

Posted by: sh217 at February 25, 2008 6:13 PM

Yes, by all means, let's take the focus off the jihad and put it on things that we can control: our food intake, our nicotine intake, our blood sugar level. Let's concentrate on ourselves and not on what is going on in our country, our part of the world (which is rapidly shrinking).

When you feel helpless, unable to control what is happening around you, stressed out, you eat to fill that emotional craving for control in your life.

Posted by: unicorns62000 at February 25, 2008 6:21 PM

Champ,

It was directed at these two scum, regardless who takes offense at it. As I wrote about it elsewhere, these are misogynists who are dying for 'women', [only in Islam] but I admit to not anticipating the kind of reaction that word evokes, most likely from woman on other boards. Live and learn.

DCWatson said: 'Nice shirt, KSM. You borrow that from an elephant?'

Hahahaha

Posted by: Bosch Fawstin at February 25, 2008 6:30 PM

"... is so mad, bad, and dangerous to sow.

Posted by: Hugh at February 25, 2008 1:51 PM

LOL, appreciate your pun. It's "know," people, from Lady Caroline Lamb about Lord Byron.

Posted by: darcy at February 25, 2008 6:59 PM

Byron also had weight issues, lol!

Posted by: darcy at February 25, 2008 7:00 PM

Bosch Fawstin, in the vernacular of the US, that word has only one meaning, of course it was deleted. If George Carlin can't say it on TV, it can't be used here.

Deleteworhty? You bet.

Posted by: Pelayo at February 25, 2008 7:03 PM

With the above said, I believe I fear the Mohammedan suicide bombers, beheaders, and exploding Mohammedan demographics due to slavery of Mohammedan females, more.

Posted by: darcy at February 25, 2008 7:05 PM

Xero G-

"Thinfidels",I like that,i used to be thin,of couse I didnt think I was but here in NYC I think most people esp. women would rather be blown up by a terrorist than be fat!!But "thinfidels" ,thats clever Well,"Peas be upon you",
"In'Sh'Ala Mode...."

bye(still cracking up)
KittyBootz

Posted by: KittyBootz at February 25, 2008 7:08 PM

Captions:

Gahdahn "This is how I look after I eat pork ribs and get a leetle piece of pork dangling from an incisor... are toothpicks halal?".

Ugly, hairy moslem terrorist pulled from bed (no names needed): "Can I get a sausage egg McMuffin, small coffee, two hash browns, one goat, and a couple of wives... to go?"

Posted by: Laughs_at_Silly_Jihadis at February 25, 2008 7:08 PM

Pelayo,

Have to admit, was surprised at the response, esp. on LGF. I don't use the term but saw a damn good pun in it, one I couldn't resist posting. Didn't think much of it, but enough people have responded as you have, so it is what it is.

I will say this. We're soft. As a culture, as a people, which is why we get all riled up about a word that We use, me in this case. The pun was aimed at scum, but people couldn't WAIT to take offense at it, almost as if they were going out of their way to take it. I understand, this is not my site and there are bad faith rats that come here and attempt to ruin JW's rep by posting rotten things, but I personally find it nearly impossible to bite my tongue about saying exactly what I think about this rat bastard enemy. Let's see what comes out of mouths when the jihadists remind us we're at war. Again, I understand, the last thing I want to do is alienate people who are all on the same side, but we really have to see things, ourselves and the times we are living in, in full context before we scream 'I'm offended!'

Posted by: Bosch Fawstin at February 25, 2008 7:21 PM

"I deal with disordered eating myself. I am coping with the problem because it does affect others around me." -sh217

Best of Luck to you, sh217.

We care about you here on JW. Your honesty is very brave. Love, darcy and everyone else.

Posted by: darcy at February 25, 2008 7:22 PM

We're soft. As a culture, as a people, which is why we get all riled up about a word that We use, me in this case. The pun was aimed at scum, but people couldn't WAIT to take offense at it, almost as if they were going out of their way to take it. - Bosch

Well, I consulted Robert before I deleted it. I don't think either of us "went out of our way" to take offense at it. (But I do think people tend to confuse political correctness and basic decency. There's an important distinction to be made there.)

You have to take into consideration the prevailing American usage of the word, and as Pelayo said, it's certainly "delete-worthy" at our site, which you correctly note is quite different in tone and content from yours.

But neither I nor Robert have come over to your site and complained about how you run it.

Reciprocity would be appreciated.

Marisol Seibold
Jihad Watch News Editor

Posted by: MarisolJW at February 25, 2008 7:28 PM

Bosch,

I read your pun on your link and appreciate your clever twist of words. But that kind of talk is not so much offensive as it is vulgar, and while I can understand that kind of think being whispered between close friends with a wink and a nod, it just isn't appropriate here. I appreciate many of the things you've said in the past in your posts so I can tell you everybody is not mad at you. But if you have or ever had a mama, you've got to know that you can't say that word out in public. And I'm glad other people recognize that. It is too close to the "C" word, and if you've ever been called one, it's like waving a red flag in front of a bull. Be afraid. Very afraid.

Posted by: Isabellathecrusader at February 25, 2008 7:39 PM

Marisol,

I was speaking about us as a whole, as Americans, not necessarily JW, which is why I used the term 'We'. I just posted this on my site, regarding this:

Fighting Words are part of this war, and once a good number of us start belting out the full truth about Islam and its Jihad, along with 'recklessly' insulting those who are murdering us, is the day we start winning.'

Posted by: Bosch Fawstin at February 25, 2008 7:41 PM

That should read, " I can understand that kind of thing."

'Sorry, channeling Boris' Natasha.

Posted by: Isabellathecrusader at February 25, 2008 7:42 PM

Isabellathecrusade,

I appreciate the words, and I'm willing to accept that that word affects a lot of people, regardless what I think of it. It is what it is. I just think that we are overly sensitive regarding how we refer to this scum of an enemy. I repeat, it's not a term I use, but the pun was begging for use, and that overroad any other consideration, esp. regarding it was meant for these two fat thugs we're responding about.

Posted by: Bosch Fawstin at February 25, 2008 7:46 PM

Obesity is general among the jihad elite. Every leader of Pakistan's political islam class, is grossly obese. Islam's phony prophet lived off stolen property; he didn't have to work. If one is an exiled terrorist, the UN will build phony refugee camps for you, and keep you fed. If you are fat and lazy, become a jihadi; that will fit your lifestyle

Posted by: supercargo at February 25, 2008 7:59 PM

By the same reasoning obesity or smoking would have also been a greater danger than Nazism.

It either never occurs to these intellectuals, or they do not wish to consider, that liberty-loving people might just have to fight the enemies of liberty along with watching their diets and quitting their other bad habbits.

This reminds me of what George Orwell once said: "One has to be in the intelligentsia to believe things like that: No ordinary man could be such a fool."

Posted by: Storm-Rider at February 25, 2008 8:09 PM

This comment is a precise 'cultural photograph of the mind of the West 2008'. It is Exhibit A. I keep avoiding the obvious and horrible question: do we as a civlization DESERVE to survive?

Posted by: poetcomic1 at February 25, 2008 8:11 PM

@sh217 and a couple of others have asked rhetorically why these people say or put forth this nonsense.

I have a very simple answer. They are looking for funding. They also don't get it. They see a lot of money being spent on something they think is a waste and will come up with all kinds of reasons to justify their pet projects.

It can't be compared on moral grounds at all but these people have a PC and Multicultural moral value. It's the same with the Global Warming agenda. That is why I posted what I posted at the top of the thread.

IT'S ALL ABOUT THE MONEY, HONEY.

Posted by: Im.mad.as.HELL! at February 25, 2008 8:40 PM

Bosch,

I fully understand where you are coming from, but still disagree. If I said, the guy on the right above is a f--king piece of sh-t, it would be an accurate description, but not something that should be said here, or indeed, out in public. I can't tell you what I hear out of teenagers and early twenty-somethings' mouths when I'm out to dinner with my friends or my adult kids. There is so much cussing or using God's name in vain in the course of an average conversation. It is not necessary and it makes one think that these kids who say it are low lifes. Indeed, they are working toward the title. It makes people feel icky and that's totally different than climbing on a high horse and letting everyone know that one has been offended. It shows a lack of consideration for others feelings and a lack of good manners.

I like to use the rule of thumb that if what is being said would shock my mother or my grandmother, then its better left unsaid.

You blew it when you used that word but it's not irreparable. We don't kill people here for doing things we disagree with, unlike SOME PEOPLE WE KNOW. ; ) But you can't rationalize this one, no matter how hard you try. It's just too gross. In all fairness to you though, I think Oprah's use of the word Va-jay-jay is similarly disgusting, repulsive and beneath her. If we are going to keep our world intact there has to be some level of agreed upon decency, and that word just ain't going to make the cut, sorry. : (

Posted by: Isabellathecrusader at February 25, 2008 10:05 PM

Bosch Fawstin ,
Words do not offend me.
Beheading human beings with their hands tied behind their backs offends me.
But, this is RS' house and we play by his rules.

Posted by: interestinconundrum at February 25, 2008 10:27 PM

You have to take into consideration the prevailing American usage of the word, and as Pelayo said, it's certainly "delete-worthy" at our site, which you correctly note is quite different in tone and content from yours.

Posted by: MarisolJW at February 25, 2008 7:28 PM

God knows I admire this site and Robert is in my heart. But, Robert and MarisolJW, you have to realize and acknowledge that diluting a message or deleting a message is also a part of the very PC, we claim to stand against. No, I am not trying to tell how to run this site or what guidelines to oberve or to flout. All am saying is that diluting a message or deleting posts comes at a price. That fact, whether we like or not, cannot be denied.

Posted by: Alert at February 25, 2008 10:39 PM

BTW Bosch,
I enjoy your art. Glad you post here.

Posted by: interestinconundrum at February 25, 2008 10:44 PM

Laughs_at_Silly_Jihadis wrote:

Gahdahn "This is how I look after I eat pork ribs and get a leetle piece of pork dangling from an incisor... are toothpicks halal?".
................................

Of course toothpicks are halal! What do you think we beat our women with?

Posted by: gravenimage at February 25, 2008 11:00 PM

All I can do is reiterate the difference I believe is quite clear between political correctness and decency.

And no one should think we delete only in the interest of image; what we delete is motivated by principles on which we have a broad consensus, and as those links show, one that has been consistent.

If an idea is such that it can only be expressed in such coarse terms, I question the substance of it, and how useful it ultimately is. Besides, I don't think making such a big deal over a deleted four-letter word is the best use of our time. It's not the end of the world; we could be talking about something else.

Posted by: MarisolJW at February 25, 2008 11:07 PM

Isabellathecrusader,

My line was directed at those who cut off heads, and we at our WORST are better than these scum at their best. It still perplexes me that we feel we somehow owe the scum of the earth our best manners and best behavior lest we become like them. I have seen the enemy and he is not us. We are not him, no matter WHAT we say or do. But if we don't deal with them as they deserve to be treated, we just might become them, on our knees praying towards Mecca.
Here we are, every single day, tripping over ourselves in order to make sure that we let all those around us, even Headchoppers, know that we're good. We are good and caring what 'The World' thinks of us has us saying and doing things that we shouldn't. My confidence in our goodness as a people isn't as fragile as that. Until the ruthless murderers are spoken of and treated as ruthless murderers, we will have to suffer this kind of handwringing about a funny line I made up about scumbags.

Posted by: Bosch Fawstin at February 25, 2008 11:21 PM

interestinconundrum,

This is Robert's site, what he doesn't want here, goes. That's the given, but my point stands, that we are making big things out of small things, and vice versa and there's a price to pay for it, sooner or later.
Thanks for visiting my site and the compliment.

Posted by: Bosch Fawstin at February 25, 2008 11:26 PM

I don't think that's a t-shirt that KSM is wearing. Clearly, his head is sticking through a leg hole in the bikini bottoms he wears whilest waterboarding.

Posted by: HotSpur at February 26, 2008 12:11 AM

Blubbering Islam!

It's the Attack of the Chubby Jihadis.

Ten sit-ups beat 5 daily prostrations any day.

Posted by: profitsbeard at February 26, 2008 1:01 AM

on which we have a broad consensus,

Part of the problem here is that those guidelines have never been well defined. The two links - rather verbose essays on posting ettiquette - is not a substitute for clear, well defined guidelines, accompanied by examples of what is and isn't acceptable.

Note - this isn't a mere sweating over a deleted post in poor taste that's diverted the discussion, but rather a reiteration of the point that when the guidelines for posting are deliberately left vague for whatever reasons - good or bad - it's somewhat disingenuous for the owners of this site to complain about the complains of posters who've had their posts deleted.

Posted by: Infidel Pride at February 26, 2008 1:09 AM

Look, we all know that Americans are mealy mouthed and can't share the robust use of English that the rest of us can. Their society is deeply infected with political correctness and it's impossible for the average citizen of the USA to exercise his/her linguistic skills in a cutting and meaningful way.

You've got to forgive them and their society but mostly you've got to realise that this site may be hosted in the USA and has to be compliant with USA law. This means that different standards from the rest of the world have to apply. In the USA people are not allowed the same laxity of insult, the same barbed and taunting comments that the rest of us take for granted. In the USA there is no such thing as free speech - leastways, not as the rest of us understand it. In the USA it's a limited animal drawn about with rules - whereas for the rest of us we can pretty much say what we like in any terms that we like - assuming that we believe that we can prove what we say. They can't. There are rules for them that we simply don't have. There are also primitive societal constraints that we Europeans don't have to operate under but they, seemingly, do.

You've got to remember that when it comes to free speech the USA is nowhere near as free as the rest of the world. They'll get there one day but they're still far too young a country - and still too influenced by their religious past - to have gotten there yet. Just be patient for a couple of hundred years and the USA will catch up with the rest of the free world! In the meantime, this is Mr. Spencer's site so leave it to his good judgement about what can be legally said here. More than that, it's his site so he has a right to say what he wants on it! After all, he pays the bills.

Oliver.

Posted by: OliverPCamford at February 26, 2008 1:11 AM

Wow Oliver - that sure was a queer comment you left. Is it safe to say that you hate Americans? Sheesh-o! And it isn't the first time I've read similar posts about how 'inferior' we are as Americans.

What's your beef with Americans?

Posted by: champ at February 26, 2008 1:29 AM

Obesity and heart disease have caused more deaths than all the serial murderers put together. Free them all! It is a misallocation of resources to keep them locked up. Transport them to John Hopkins University and let them hang out in the hallway in front of Professor Lawrence Gostin's office. Let him explain the finer points of statistical analysis to them.

Posted by: special_guest at February 26, 2008 1:43 AM

champ:

Good grief, no. I most certainly don't hate America or Americans - I spend far too much time on your side of the pond to let such idiot emotions as hate get in the way. But what I do find, every time I'm over there in the USA, is like it feels like stepping back in time, like going from 2008 in Europe back to 1950 when I'm in the US of A. It's all just so old-fashioned on your side of the pond.

My mobile phone, which works everywhere else on the planet doesn't work in the States - I need to carry a special USA one only. I can't access my ISP in the US but I can everywhere else on the planet - I need to have a separate USA only ISP for my laptop. The car I hire resembles the sort of vehicle we gave up over seventy years ago - huge and gas-guzzling and so soft in the suspension that I get sick. Every hotel and motel I stay in you can actually hear the AC and the fans - no European motel has noisy AC to that extent, we simply wouldn't tolerate it. The food is so bad and so bland - no taste and no service and what service there is is so bad and so grudging I feel desparately unwelcome: American restaurant staff are arrogant and supercilious to the extreme even in the best of restaurants. I've paid hundreds of dollars in Washington (DC) entertaining business colleagues in restaurants that they are pleased with but that I wouldn't give the time of day to if they were in Europe.

Your railways (railroads) are crap and have never delivered me on time anywhere in the USA - not once - whereas I routinely travel by train in Europe and arrive on time. Your internal airlines are so unreliable as to be a joke for we British who are used to service of a far superior order from our internal flights - internal to the UK as well as internal in Europe.

Generally, what I find is that you are a great and friendly people - oh boy are you friendly as my waistline testifies from all the good home-baking from many, many friends I've made throughout your great country - not least Annie Willason in a small town in Idaho who took me in when my car broke down and fed me 'till I could eat no more, thanks Annie - but generally your public services are s**t and your expectations from your public services are so low as to make most Europeans laugh.

I love you all and I'm so glad you're on my side but I wouldn't want to live there. Sorry, but that's how it is.

Oliver.

Posted by: OliverPCamford at February 26, 2008 2:12 AM

I say--Happy fat asses of the world--UNITE!!

Posted by: guide inside at February 26, 2008 3:08 AM

Oliver:

I appreciate your candor, and I apologize for saying that you 'hate' us, sounds more like general dislike & mild contempt for our inept transportation systems and lowsy cuisine; but other than that, you love us all!! ....hey, we love you too, which is all that matters, right?

Guess I've grown accustomed to my sub-par way of life over here - although I never thought of it that way until now. Thanks for enlightening me :-)

Posted by: champ at February 26, 2008 3:13 AM

"Experts": Obesity more dangerous than terrorism
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Aren't the terrorists at Guantanamo getting fat from all the great food they're eating?

Posted by: PersonOfTheBook at February 26, 2008 7:01 AM

KSM is not only fat, but hairy to boot. Maybe this Christian fundie will just have to break down and say that the missing link between man and ape has been found alive and well and living in Waziristan.

Posted by: Kepha at February 26, 2008 8:08 AM

The bottom line (no pun intended) is that a slang word used to disparagingly refer to a female's anatomical private parts is neither amusing nor intelligent. I mean, that's a no-brainer. Hello.

As usual, RS is correct on this matter.

Posted by: darcy at February 26, 2008 8:36 AM

Must say again that I never use the term, didn't understand fully what it meant, had a vague understanding of it, but it's reseblance to Fatwa was enough to use it against these fat scum. And I Definitely didn't know how it'd be recieved, mainly my ladies, but there is one definition of the word [in dictionary.com] that fit perfectly:

'a man who is a stupid incompetent fool', and its synonym is 'fathead'.

To all the ladies who took offense, didn't mean to give it.

Posted by: Bosch Fawstin at February 26, 2008 11:03 AM

Damn, now I understand. Those planes missed the Twin Towers. They collapsed because of all the overweight people inside. Nothing to do with Islam after all.

Posted by: Karl Pov at February 26, 2008 11:13 AM

Obesity doesn't, alas, traffic nuclear weapons and other weapons of mass destruction that jihadists hope will exterminate whole populations of entire "infidel" nation-states, the populations of which number many hundreds of millions.

One can always lose weight if obese; millions do every day. Once a nation or civilization is destroyed by jihadist warfare (as were Byzantium or Egypt or Persia) the destruction can't be reversed.

I'd therefore have to say that Islam is deadlier by far. If I can see that, so can the 'experts.'

Posted by: pythagoras at February 26, 2008 2:16 PM