Were the Dutch to vote in order to deliberately give his party much more power, possibly even bringing him into national office, that would be a sign that the entire country was unwilling to tolerate such threats, and the full force of the Dutch state would be there to protect Wilders. And were the other nations of Western Europe to forthrightly express solidarity with the defense of free speech, and outrage at Muslim blackmail and threats, this would force many Muslims, in order to protect themselves and the position of Muslims in the West (whose behavior and worldview are now beginning to receive the attention that should have been given before, not after, large-scale Muslim immigration was permitted), to back down, to accept -- even if only temporarily and feigningly -- the Western defense of Western values.

For they are not yet so numerous, nor so secure, that they can get away with anything. And some of them, such as Tariq Ramadan, understand this perfectly, which is why they offer up, as best they can, soothing words about a "European Islam" (no different, in its texts and tenets, from Islam anywhere else), and counsel Muslims not to be as violent as they would like. For such Muslim violence is, for the moment, much less effective than the Money Weapon, unhindered campaigns of Da'wa, and demographic conquest, which have so far not been sufficiently noticed or worried about, much less being dealt with by those in power who possess an intelligence and cunning sufficient to deal with the situation, while keeping in mind the Idols of the Age that must simultaneously be taken into careful consideration, that need to be undone, or worked around.

Posted by: Hugh at February 28, 2008 8:22 AM

Geert Wilder is allready my nominee for international anti Dhimmi for 2008.

Posted by: Elric66 at February 28, 2008 8:24 AM

I aslo love the added far right to Geert's name. This coming from an organization that doesnt feel the need to inform the authorties.

Posted by: Elric66 at February 28, 2008 8:26 AM

Geert Wilder for President of the United States.

Posted by: mountiangirl at February 28, 2008 8:29 AM

‘Inner Strugglers’ On The March In Copenhagen

Remember: They been at it for weeks now.

In other news:

Guess who joined Al Jizz?

http://sheikyermami.com/2008/02/28/inner-strugglers-on-the-march-in-copenhagen/

Posted by: sheik yer'mami at February 28, 2008 8:30 AM

Yesterday I watched several youtubes of Geert Wilders being interviewed. He is well-spoken and highly intelligent, that's completely apparent.

And of course the Barbarians are already planning on how to murder him.

OT. Read this great Letter to the Editor!

dia.www.lsureveille.com/media/storage/paper868/news/2008/02/27/Opinion/Letters.To.The.Editor-3237091.shtm

Posted by: darcy at February 28, 2008 8:30 AM

mountiangirl,

A shame he isnt a native born American. If he was, he far outshines any of the ones we have running. I would gladly trade any of ours for Geert.

Posted by: Elric66 at February 28, 2008 8:31 AM

Coming soon to a theatre near you...another chance for the denizens of the "Religion of Peace" to show their quality.

Posted by: awake at February 28, 2008 8:32 AM

I'd like to see this become a worldwide hit, so if it goes on general release to cinemas tell your friends to see it more than once and take as many people with you as you can.

If it's just a DVD release buy multiple copies and give them to friends and family to generate the attention it deserves.

Posted by: Abu_Lahab at February 28, 2008 8:33 AM

http://media.www.lsureveille.com/media/storage/paper868/news/2008/02/27/Opinion/Letters.To.The.Editor-3237091.shtml

There ya go.

Posted by: darcy at February 28, 2008 8:34 AM

If the film is released today or tomorrow, imagine the tsunami of outrage which will be whipped up at Friday prayers.

Go Geert!

Posted by: ImNoDhimmi at February 28, 2008 8:39 AM

Will it play at the Cannes Film Festival? Maybe in the "Far-Right/Dutch MP" Category of films?

Posted by: Lex at February 28, 2008 8:42 AM

Lex,

I hear that it will play at the Sundance Festival. :-)

Posted by: Elric66 at February 28, 2008 8:44 AM

'...do you consider it incumbent upon yourself to exercise some self-control?'

Slaves do not control themselves.

Posted by: Dane at February 28, 2008 8:46 AM

Elric66, That's great news! I've always liked Robert "The Sundance Kid" Redford, no dhimmi, he! May he live long(er) and prosper!

Posted by: Lex at February 28, 2008 8:50 AM

Gosh, the Muslims must have been looking forward to this all month! They're ironing their burqas and checkered tablecloths, buying up green fabric, scrubbing down the kids and sharpening their knives. They'll be "going, going, going, in their do-de-do duds!" Who knows what mischief they'll get into?!??!

Not to worry, oh fellow infidels. Nothing a strong firehose and about 500 paddy wagons can't cure. ; )

Posted by: Isabellathecrusader at February 28, 2008 8:52 AM

Lex,

I was kidding. The Sundance Festive is a far left love fest.

Posted by: Elric66 at February 28, 2008 8:53 AM

here is a little preview. Notice how the men and women are seperate.

http://www.weaselzippers.net/blog/2008/02/video-hizb-ut-t.html#comments

Posted by: Elric66 at February 28, 2008 8:56 AM

Elric66, That's great news! I've always liked Robert "The Sundance Kid" Redford, no dhimmi, he! May he live long(er) and prosper!

Posted by: Lex at February 28, 2008 8:50 AM

LOL, without doubt, Robert Redford has prospered in this world!

Wow! He's really showing "Fitna" at Sundance? That is great! However, I would strongly caution the people there at the time the film is showing to beware of any Mohammedans that appear.

Posted by: darcy at February 28, 2008 8:57 AM

Lex,

I was kidding. The Sundance Festive is a far left love fest.

Posted by: Elric66 at February 28, 2008 8:53 AM

Oh well. So it's not true.

Posted by: darcy at February 28, 2008 9:00 AM

Morning kids,

I would not count on Redford to be on our side in this. He would probably give these peace lovers the keys to the city and invite them to dinner, with Geert served roasted on a platter with an apple in his mouth, as long as he doesn't have to have them to stay at his mansion.

Posted by: Isabellathecrusader at February 28, 2008 9:01 AM

darcy,

Sorry, I thought everyone would have known it was a joke. :-)

Posted by: Elric66 at February 28, 2008 9:03 AM

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Posted by: Goob at February 28, 2008 9:04 AM

Sheik yer'mami,

Was that going on today? Guy, those people sound like they are straight out of hell.

Doesn't Denmark have any noise ordinances that these deliberate intimidaters are going against?

BTW, loved your reference to low flying napalm. LOL!

Posted by: Isabellathecrusader at February 28, 2008 9:08 AM

Elric66,

Gosh darn it all! Why'd you have to burst my bubble???

Well, that settles it, then. I'm founding a film company and I'm calling it Moondance. It will showcase the work of ALL threatened filmmakers, with a special emphasis on those whose focus is the lunacies of the Moon god's devotees, and they are legion. I'll try and get Proctor and Gamble as a primary sponsor, provided it uses its old logo.

Posted by: Lex at February 28, 2008 9:09 AM

Elric, I watched your youtube of the marching Barbarians in Holland.

How come people didn't throw stuff at 'em out their windows? Tomatoes would be good!

My disgust at seeing these marching "allah akbar" Barbarians in the streets of Amsterdam is so palpable I can taste it.

If that sh** happened in my city I promise you I would be out there protesting the Barbarians.

Posted by: darcy at February 28, 2008 9:12 AM

Darcy,

I know. It was like a Nazi march. I would have tossed stuff too. Did you notice the women were marching in the back, seperated?

Posted by: Elric66 at February 28, 2008 9:15 AM

Man; Islam is a God given design for the entire mankind. Quran is a devine last Book given by God Almighty to Muhammad(pbuh). Any one coming forward to harm it will only come forward; to perish.

With all the best efforts for last 1400 years; many arch rivals; the oppressors have been trying their utmost best to quench this beacon; but history shows that none and none has been able to pluck even its single hair.

What difference will make a documentary movie produced by a saddest with a mere run time of 12-15 minutes?

‘Howling of stray dogs may not disrupt the journey plan of a caravan.’
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Love for all, Hatred for none

Posted by: A Khokar at February 28, 2008 9:19 AM

A Khokar,

Islam has a single hair? Where is it? Is it growing out of the Ka'baa?

Posted by: Lex at February 28, 2008 9:23 AM

LOL, brainwashed-by-Mo troll Khokar is back!

News for brainwashed Khokar: "allah" is nothing but a pagan moon deity from pre-islamic lore. That's why you never hear from him, K, why he always "remains silent" - because he doesn't exist!

Other News: There is nothing "devine" (sic) about the qur'an, which is a book made up by your false prophet Mo. Indeed, the Q is just a Terrorist Manual by which Mo could make everybody submit to him - you know, "obey allah AND his apostle!" LOL -how convenient for Mo! You gotta obey him too!

Islam has fried your brains. You don't even know how to think.

P.S. Anyone can "harm" a Q and not "perish" from doing that! Just that threat alone shows how barbaric your "religion" is. I pity you, khokar, islam has turned you into a superstitious Barbarian who worships a pagan idol.

Posted by: darcy at February 28, 2008 9:27 AM

"'Inspiration for murder'

Mr Wilders' film is entitled Fitna, an Arabic word used to describe strife or discord, usually religious.

According to a Dutch daily which has seen some of the footage, the film has the Koran opening.

Inside the pages of the book are shown images of atrocities in Muslim countries that the filmmaker thinks are inspired by verses of the Koran. "

Nice of them to be nuetral on this

Posted by: GrennBeck at February 28, 2008 9:29 AM

Compare the reaction to Geert Wilder's film and the reaction to this, although I believe that this is much more infuriating because ABC and CAIR set up average Americans with the fake Muslim victimhood scenario.

http://www.cair.com/ArticleDetails.aspx?mid1=763&&ArticleID=24290&&name=n&&currPage=1

Will Americans march and break things as a result of this? I don't think so, but they should be spittin' bullets mad.

Posted by: Isabellathecrusader at February 28, 2008 9:30 AM

A Khokar... First, why are all Muslims afraid of the film that just talks about the Koran? It's free publicity. Second, why are so many Muslims migrating to western countries? Why aren't they staying in their Islamic paradises? I certainly wouldn't move from paradise to satan's hell. Please answer that question as it's not a rhetorical one.

Posted by: one of the chosen people at February 28, 2008 9:30 AM

One of the Chosen People,

Khokar can't answer your questions because then it would show his hand. He knows that all the crap Muslims do and that we complain about is sanctioned by and encouraged in the Koran, just as he knows Muslims aren't coming over in droves to escape tyranny but to institutionalize it here as they try to colonize us.

Posted by: Isabellathecrusader at February 28, 2008 9:35 AM

Geert Wilder is allready my nominee for international anti Dhimmi for 2008. Posted by: Elric66 at February 28, 2008 8:24 AM

Funny how both titles international dhimmi (Williams) and international anti-dhimmi, have pretty much been sewn up, and February is not yet over.

Or at the very least, they've set the bar pretty high, so that any other acts of anti-dhimmitude or dhimmitude would have to be pretty spectacular.

Posted by: Greek Fire at February 28, 2008 9:40 AM

"a documentary movie produced by a saddest with a mere run time of 12-15 minutes?"
-- from a posting by "kholkar" above

There is unintended poetry here. Present, and accounted for.

Posted by: Hugh at February 28, 2008 9:40 AM

Greek Fire,

I guess they wanted to make their mark known. :-)

Posted by: Elric66 at February 28, 2008 9:43 AM

For the record, I also think banning Mein Kampf is the wrong approach. We need to learn (or in some cases re-learn) just what is so evil about that book, and how we can identify similar ideologies now.

In particular, knowing what a totalitarian system is and why it's bad is vital. You can't have freedom in a totalitarian system, be the totalitarian nature of religious or secular origin.

BTW, in the case of a certain Austria-German Kansler, the distinction is quite blurred. He set out to replace Christianity with some obscure mythology he had picked up in Vienna (I believe), and predictably made a very severe mess out of things.

It is interesting, BTW, to pick apart the Sirat and observe how Muhammad also constructed a new religion out of whatever he was able to pick up around him, like pagan Arabic worship rituals, apocryphical Jewish folk-tales and whatever else that was for some reason considered 'holy' in his time.

And the result? A big mess, too...

Posted by: Henrik at February 28, 2008 9:50 AM

"a documentary movie produced by a saddest with a mere run time of 12-15 minutes?"
-- from a posting by "kholkar" above

There is unintended poetry here. Present, and accounted for.

Posted by: Hugh at February 28, 2008 9:40 AM

What is a "saddest?" Does Khokar the Barbarian actually mean "sadist?" LOL.

Posted by: darcy at February 28, 2008 9:55 AM

What is a "saddest?" Does Khokar the Barbarian actually mean "sadist?" LOL.

He's sad that it's only 15 minutes long... He was looking forward to at least an hour of abuse

‘Howling of stray dogs may not disrupt the journey plan of a caravan.’

But a B-52 would.

Love for all freedom, Hatred for none who agree.

Posted by: Nix Olympus at February 28, 2008 10:04 AM

Wilders subjected to intimidation: http://www.expatica.com/nl/articles/news/Wilders-accuses-ministers-of-intimidation.html

Posted by: scaramouoche at February 28, 2008 10:14 AM

I heard Robert Redford just put a "Dutch-block" on the phone number for the Sundance film festival.

"Freedom is the right to say what others don't want to hear."- Orwell.

Posted by: profitsbeard at February 28, 2008 10:30 AM

Geert Wilder is allready my nominee for international anti Dhimmi for 2008.

Posted by: Elric66 at February 28, 2008 8:24 AM

Geert Wilder for President of the United States.

Posted by: mountiangirl at February 28, 2008 8:29 AM
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How about President of the EU, or Secretary General of the UN? Maybe he could bring some sense to those organizations.

By the way, Geert, if the dhimmi Dutch government decides to kick you out, you are most welcome in the United States. You are already one of my heroes, and you'll have a huge fan club as soon as you set foot on American soil.

Posted by: PersonOfTheBook at February 28, 2008 10:44 AM

Remember that public service anti-drug ad?. "This is your brain" - picture of unbroken egg. "And this is your brain on drugs" - picture of the same egg, broken and being fried in a hot pan.

Is it appropriate to show this ad again - substituting "jihad" for "drugs"?

Posted by: tanstaafl at February 28, 2008 11:00 AM

I haven't been this excited to see a Dutch film since I first heard of Submission Part 1. And I certainly hope Mr. Wilders stays safe.

Posted by: Sharmuta at February 28, 2008 11:06 AM

A Khokar says:

"Quran is a devine [sic] last Book given by God Almighty to Muhammad(pbuh)."

Is that why the koran has suffered revisions? Because it's "divine"?

Posted by: Sharmuta at February 28, 2008 11:10 AM

And ask yourself: if someone reacts to something I say by going mad, breaking things, and targeting innocent people, is that my responsibility or his?

Well, according to sane people it is their own responsibility, but to the delusional paranoid schizophrenic, it is yours. You are out to 'get' him, and he is going to try and 'get' you first.
You can't argue with this. It's like trying to reason with a drunk, but more dangerous.
I mentioned this before, but muslims have a form of spiritual intoxication. Listen to Khokar. He is not advocating violence, but he is spiritually intoxicated, or drunk. All of Islam's, problems are your fault. You are in reality dar-al harb, and the intoxicated must subdue you. They don't need to go mad, madness comes with the package deal from Allah, called Islam...

Posted by: duh_swami at February 28, 2008 11:17 AM

I heard Robert Redford just put a "Dutch-block" on the phone number for the Sundance film festival.

"Freedom is the right to say what others don't want to hear."- Orwell.

Posted by: profitsbeard at February 28, 2008 10:30 AM

What is a "Dutch-block?"

Love the Orwell quote.

Posted by: darcy at February 28, 2008 11:33 AM

"Love for all, Hatred for none"
Posted by: A Khokar

If Islam was demonstrating that, then I guess you wouldn't have a place to post that message anymore.

Posted by: Sounder at February 28, 2008 11:52 AM

"Love for all, Hatred for none"
Posted by: A Khokar

If Islam was demonstrating that, then I guess you wouldn't have a place to post that message anymore.
Posted by: Sounder

Besides that, it's very Christian...Is Khokar in reality a Christian just putting us on?

Posted by: duh_swami at February 28, 2008 11:59 AM

"Love for all, Hatred for none" Posted by: A Khokar

Does that include love/non-hatred for individuals who have made an informed, intelligent rejection of Allah, Mohammed and Islam?

And if so, please inform us of the koranic verses that support such an idea and the Islamic schools of jurisprudence that uphold them.

Peace.

Posted by: Greek Fire at February 28, 2008 12:20 PM

Hi Darcy,

Profitsbeard is just being funny (he he!) and he means that the Dutch cannot call Robert Redford's phone because he is blocking their calls. There is no such thing; P.B. made it up just to make the point that Redford is a bleeding heart and not interested in helping people who really value their freedom. He usually just works with whiners and people who have an ax to grind. Not you and me. : )

"Love for all, hatred for none," is a code phrase for loving all Muslims and hating none, but not loving the rest of us since Muslims are human and the rest of us aren't. This way A Khokar looks like he's being magnanimous when all the while knowing that he doesn't give a sh*t about you or me. But, dang, it sure sounds good!

Posted by: Isabellathecrusader at February 28, 2008 1:03 PM

Here is my advice in this dangerous period. Follow the lead of South Park: Dig a hole and put your head in it until you hear the all-clear sound.

Posted by: Seymour Paine at February 28, 2008 1:05 PM

Dear Fellowman A Khokar,

Islam is a design of men to subdue the rest of mankind. The Quran is not divine nor the true Word given by God The Father, but a book by and about Muhammad (Perish Blight Upon Humanity) and his lusts. If anyone comes forward seeking Truth, he will surely find Him, "You shall know the Truth, and the Truth shall set you free."

With all their bestial efforts for 1384 years, Muhammad's cutthroat followers [not Ahmadis or Ismailis] have not vanquished Truth, though they have been trying their utmost best to coerce the consciences of men and darken the beacon of Freedom; but history shows that a determined few have turned the tide against Submission, by luck, by pluck, and by singular heroism.

What a difference a documentary movie by a steadfast man, produced in a mere 12 - 15 weeks, will make in Our World!

The howling of strange imams will not dirupt the jounalistic plans of a courageous man!!

Posted by: John C at February 28, 2008 1:11 PM

Dear A Khokar,

The howling of strange imams will not disrupt the journalistic plans of a courageous man!!

Love for you, and freedom from fear, your friend in The Truth That Sets Men Free,

John C

Posted by: John C at February 28, 2008 1:33 PM

Hey Sheik and Elric,

It looks like the police just said "no" to the mo-toon demo in Mauritania.

"Riot police used tear gas Thursday to break up a Mauritania demonstration which drew almost 2,000 students protesting the publication of cartoons depicting the Prophet Mohammed (pbuh)."

http://www.alarabiya.net/articles/2008/02/28/46276.html

Posted by: Isabellathecrusader at February 28, 2008 2:28 PM

It looks like the police just said "no" to the mo-toon demo in Mauritania.

"Riot police used tear gas Thursday to break up a Mauritania demonstration which drew almost 2,000 students protesting the publication of cartoons depicting the Prophet Mohammed (pbuh)."

I doubt that Mauritanian officials are doing this for the right reason. They probably realize, consciously or semi-consciously, that the same fervor animating those thousands to protest also animates -- both emotionally and ideologically -- those trans-national jihadists who throughout the Muslim world are trying to topple what they consider to be regimes not Islamic enough. And they therefore fear the escalation of that fervor.

Posted by: cantor at February 28, 2008 4:08 PM

Why are Muslims so unable to engage in self-criticism or criticism from others? If Islam and the Koran are the truth, then should it not be able to accept criticism or even attacks?

False gods need to be defended with violence because they are lies. If the truth is the truth, it will stand on its own. The more Muslims defend their faith with violence, the more non-Muslims must conclude that the Koran is lies and Mohammad is a false prophet.

Let the deceived howl when their falsehood is challenged.

Posted by: James Martel at February 28, 2008 4:21 PM

John C-

well said.

James Martel-

criticizing the koran is hara'am.

Posted by: Sharmuta at February 28, 2008 10:17 PM

Thanks, kind friend.

Posted by: John C at February 28, 2008 10:49 PM

This may not be essential for us to believe in the ‘Darwin theory of Evolution’, that centuries back we used to be Apes and as the time passed by; man gradually through the process of evaluation reached its present state as a ‘civilised man’. But it does support the argument of ‘necessity of evolution’ and high lights the fact that man has certainly been going through some kind of evolution. The spread of tapestry of knowledge on its display in the nature; the observation of ancient man that how the mother nature helped him in his sustenance as well as the dictates of environments playing their major part to help achieve the refinement and adult hood of man’s conscious. Man has gone through its lesser state to a modest and then to present day superior form.

Our 'Modern Religion' is not very old. Out of some last six thousands years of its history of evolution since its initiation by our common religious father Abraham*; Judaic creed only occupy a space of some 1200 years. There were other religious denominations before Moses* as well as after Moses era. Soon after Judaic, Christianity took its start followed by the dawn of present day 'Era of Islam for the complete manifestation of God’s attributes and His blessings', in the fullest form for the entire mankind. Islam is not a new religion. It is, in essence, the same message and guidance which Allah revealed to all prophets before Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him. Allah says in his latest book; the Quran:

"Say; We believe in ALLAH and that which has been revealed to us, and that which was revealed to Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac and Jacob and the tribes, and in that which was given to Moses and Jesus and other Prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them and to HIM we submit." (Qur’ân 3-85). Islam happens to be the path of all those who are obedient to Allah and who establish peace with Him and His creatures.

This may brings us to a conclusion that by Joining and adhering to the latest teachings of God in Islam you come to accept the will of God as it is also destined for the people in the old scriptures. You are elevated in the eyes of God and your status is raised. In the way of Islam; you only gain and do not loose your identity or status as you stated.

You need to be in it; to win it.
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Love for all, Hatred for none

Posted by: A Khokar at February 29, 2008 3:25 AM

Dear All,

Study and research with a particular preconception, in this case, of Islam and its jurisprudence or of some fatwa’s of Mullahs aired by media may not be called a relevant quest to find out the ultimate ‘truth offered by Islam’. It will certainly amount to a mischief to only sift for the clues affirming the negative perception about Islam. It is a common practice that in the process of studying about Islam an effort is shown being made of turning all the stones; but ignoring and passing by all the significant Subject matters and only few quotes (most of the times these are out of context) are cherry picked which are found covetable or they yield a negative perception. Where this exercise keeps the inquisitors happy also makes them elated in their own circles. Most of them are also found hurling abusive filth like the one; presently screening a documentary about Quran being planned to generate hatred among societies and with intent to mislead the innocent Joe in the street.

In the wider perspective of western political arena and its periphery, Jews and Christians are seen grinding their axes for their ulterior motives, in a complete unison in worldly affairs. But for last 2000 years Christians have not been able to convince Jews that, the prophet Jesus, the Christian picked up and follow, was actually prophet of Jews and their own reformer which Israelite failed to recognise.

Jesus was out rightly rejected by Israelite. He was put on the cross to die a humiliating death. How unfortunate it is, that Israelites (Jews); were the chosen people of God. God gave them the book. To keep them on the right track, a follow up service was also catered for, and God very graciously kept on sending various other prophets till ultimately Jesus came to reform them. Succeeding religions are not that fortuitous to avail such like divinely facilities

This is God’s own prerogative that He blesses only the capable people with guidance…on to the right path. This seems to be a firm belief of all the religious denominations that nearness of God Almighty can only be achieved through our earnest prayers and by remaining knelt before him under all the circumstances. The deep research and studies may not stand a guarantee to lead us to reach our goals and may not be enough to reach the eternal truth. One may discover and acquire mountains of knowledge on any given subject but will fail to recognise the existence of hands of Almighty in creation of this planet and universe, without the blessings of whom; a leave may not even stir.

This is God’s design that truth is always upheld at ‘all the times’ and, in a very clear, vivid, and distinguished way. You have just to make a sincere, tender leap to reach for it. Jews know about Christianity very well, same is the case of Christian that they know Islam in details. But there is always a mind set of some zealots found in these religions, which keeps a close watch to guard against any intrusion affecting their vested interests. They will make it sure that their created myth remains twisted at all times and at all levels. Any cross over is checked with iron fists. Then there is exclusive business of ‘capital riches and property assets’ involved in their vested arenas. Economic empires of enormous heights are found erected on these twisted foundations. The splendour, opulence and pomp and show and prestige enjoyed by the ‘Holy Order’ of these old fogy empires, all this simply restrict them to accept the truth knocking so loud at the doors. A tremendous courage, is required to step out of delude and attempt a cross over toward the known truth.
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Love for all, Hatred for none

Posted by: A Khokar at February 29, 2008 4:14 AM

Psssst...A Khokar...The Holy Ghost revealed itself to me years ago, confirming the Bibles truth.
You have been deceived, and the Spirit entices me to pray for your salvation through Jesus Christ, the Messiah.
I choose to pray for you...kinda different from jihad, eh?
You probably won't find any converts to Islam here since we've taken the time to actually study Islamic texts, teachings, rulings, and actions worldwide.
Your god is not my God, and I hope one day your eyes and 91 million others will open.

Posted by: HawkWatcher at February 29, 2008 6:23 AM

Dear A Khokar,

Perhaps, if all Muslims were as peaceful, as patient, as benign and sincere as you, there would then be no film called FITNA, and these sites called JihadWatch and DhimmiWatch would certainly not exist.

Alas! That is not the case, for the call you make, your da'wa, and the case you present, is blotted out by the malice and violence of so many other Muslims, Muslims who do not share your understanding of Islam, and who likely would deny that you, yourself, are really a Muslim at all!

Love and true friendship,

John C

Posted by: John C at February 29, 2008 6:09 PM

Dear John C,

If a new 2008 model, Mercedes-Benz CLS class ends up banged and smashed by an inexperienced driver; it may not be said that this car is a useless car. Rather Car will be classified and tested on it merits when driven by only a qualified and experienced driver; that how best it is in performance on the road, its engine’s pick up, speed, controls, its look and room offered for the comforts of its deriver as well passengers.
Like wise Islam must be weighed for its Truth of Message contains in the Glorious Quran; and not by the conduct of a group of people found some how following and practicing at its extremes; rightly or wrongly?

The history tells us that all the previous denominations in our religion have passed through their different phases and stages. Islam is not an exception to it. For Jews and Christians; Original Torah and its teaching and commandments remain the same but its followers have been passing through different phases. There was a time when Israelites were the most favoured and chosen people of God; but also came a time; when the Jews were found rejected and defunct by God Almighty (for the times to come). One may not blame Torah or the Prophet Moses for that; these were the followers who went astray and brought a wrath of God upon them.

In Quran [Al-Ma'idah Chapter 5: Verse 55] God Almighty says; “O ye who believe! Whoso among you turns back from his Religion, then let him know that Allah will soon bring in his stead a people whom He will love and who will love Him and who will be kind and humble to the believers, and hard and firm against the disbelievers. They will strive in the cause of Allah and will not fear the reproach of a fault-finder. That is Allah's grace; He bestows it upon whomsoever He pleases and Allah is Bountiful, All-Knowing.”

The intellectuals are the blessed people of God; they have the abilities to dig down deep and reach for the bottom for truth where the common Joe in street; normally may not have any accession. Invariably all the intellectuals should be able to recognise the Truth of Word of Quran and able to bifurcate between the Truth of Quran and the acts of certain extremist ‘followers groups’ under taking certain untoward actions in the name of Quran; may be as masonries and mint monies on the behest of some oppressors or for their own personal rapacious greed. Efforts to malign both the ends with one go may not be fair?

I feel pity; when the so called benefactors of our website acclaiming themselves to be the Godly intellect people, in order to gain a quick fame are also seen presenting them selves to be used as a tool in the hands of media. It is observed that just like the common policy seen enforced in BBC (UK); Jihadwatch has also gone too far in cherry picking. It selects a portion of verses or sayings from Quran or other Islamic books for its deliberations. It may be qualifying it self for not telling a lie for that very selected portion ( for use) but at the same time does not tell the whole truth and hide away the rest of the ‘subject in context’ on purpose.

With best of regards
A Khokar

Posted by: A Khokar at March 1, 2008 7:17 AM

Dear A Khokar,

Each of us here is free to decide for himself what he thinks is the truth. I do not need these sites alone to understand the Quran, the Ahadith and Sirat Rasulallah--I have these foundational texts online, from the USC/Muslim Students' Association databank, including three comparative translations of the Quran.

I am pursuing my self-study. Yet, I would not approach these texts, which are the source of Muslim understanding, without first looking at each as part of a comparative whole; nor would I fail to compare these texts with the canonical Bible that they allude to, nor fail to look at these in an historical context. I would not fail to test the assertions made in these texts against known and provable facts of secular disciplines--physical sciences, archaeology, and linguistic and textual criticism, which are so illuminating of other ancient texts, including Sacred Scripture.

You see, then, that I do not read the Quran and other revered Muslim texts with Islamic eyes, according to Islamic notions, and with an Islamic view of nature and of human existence. I have much more to say about these matters, and since they will occupy my thoughts for some years to come, I'll leave them be until another time.

Sincerely,John C

Posted by: John C at March 1, 2008 5:20 PM