Portsmouth Naval Prison + yardarm

Posted by: MP at February 28, 2008 2:55 PM

25 years?
Shocking.
What happened to death for treason?

Posted by: GrennBeck at February 28, 2008 2:58 PM

"When Hassan Abu-Jihaad joined the Navy, did anyone ask him about his loyalty?"
-- from Robert Spencer's comment above

You had me at "Hassan Abu-Jihaad."

Posted by: Hugh at February 28, 2008 3:01 PM

So they even knew that this guy purposely *changed his name to Jihaad* and this told them absolutely nothing???? Duh!

Posted by: Lili at February 28, 2008 3:07 PM

Lili--

I'm sure somebody thought it meant "inner spiritual struggle," and said, "Oh, how nice!"

What a picture. Somewhere a department of motor vehicles is disappointed at having been outdone.

Posted by: MarisolJW at February 28, 2008 3:34 PM

What such a nice name like "Jihaad" has to do with killing, bombing and beheading?

You islamophobes!

Posted by: LazarOfSerbia at February 28, 2008 3:35 PM

Attacking from within boys and girls.

Posted by: Stinkyinfidel at February 28, 2008 3:36 PM

The tip of another iceberg...

Posted by: duh_swami at February 28, 2008 3:51 PM

See Robert Spencer (May Hagia Sophia Be Upon Him) in Wilder's film promo:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYS3PCBsJjE

Offload the video through this site:
http://www.viloader.net/

Re. Spencer's implication that commission of genocide is sunna to muslims: ibn-Ishaq's account of the extermination of male members of the banu quraizai tribe is explicit in that regard. In that case, Muhammed ordered up to 900 members of that tribe to parade to the market of Medina (which still exists), and ordered them beheaded. Obviously it was done for spectacle. In addition, other hadith accounts reveal that each of Muhammad's 13 wives lived in a separate home around the market. As did some of his fellow accomplices (sahaba). It is highly likely that children witnessed the slaughter.

You have seen how muslims riot whenever some local imam fatwahs on blasphemy. What if an al-Azhar, Qom Seminary or Medina University clerics ordered the extermination of Armenians on a global scale? The genocide-sunna question should be posed to US presidential candidates. The muslims I work with aren't overtly hostile, but their relations with others is perfunctory. Derision is obvious. There isn't a single islamic state entity that does NOT practise a measure of ethnic cleansing.

Posted by: supercargo at February 28, 2008 3:52 PM

Hagia Sophia = Holy Wisdom

Posted by: supercargo at February 28, 2008 3:54 PM

The Muslim soldier who attemped to kill his officers (he did kill two), by rolling grenades into their tent as they lay sleeping. The Muslim Marine who stole off from his base in Iraq, ended up in Lebanon and then, having been returned to the United States, managed somehow, after a public assurance of his loyalty (ending with a "Semper Fi"), managed to again elude authorities and is now, presumably, back in Lebanon, with the American government strangely unable to have him sent back for trial. The Muslim sailor -- not Hassan Abu-Jihaad, but another one -- who is reported during the Iraq war to have made contact with terrorists and to have offered to send them critical information (as well as to conduct Da'wa among the sailors), and other cases yet to come to the public's attention -- what does this tell us? Anything? Nothing?

And what do the texts of Islam tell us, with their insistence that members of the Umma, the Community of Believers, owe their sole loyalty to Islam and to Muslims, and cannot possibly owe such loyalty, to the extent that they wish to be proper Muslims, to Infidels, much less to an Infidel nation-state perceived as being "at war" with Islam?

This is not an American problem. It is a problem for the French. It is a problem for the British. It is a problem for the Indians. It is a problem for the Singaporeans. It is a problem for all nation-states, largely populated by non-Muslims, but with recent Muslim immigrants, and with a policy of permitting Muslims to serve in -- or even encouraging them to serve in -- the army, the police, and other security services, without carefuly finding out who is a Believer, who if a Believer takes his beliefs seriously, and who, while he may call himself a "Muslim," is much closer to being a Muslim-for-identification-purposes-only Muslim, and one likely to remain so, rather than someone who might, undetected, rediscover that old-time religion -- the one based on Qur'an, Hadith, and Sira.

In Singapore, its former Prime Minister Lee Kuan Yew, and other officials, have not hidden their awareness of the problem of Muslim Malays in the army, an army that relies on universal conscription, and the need to be hyper-vigilant and even to keep Malays out of certain positions or units.

Here is an account from The Straits Times about the Malay reaction to a speech by Lee Kuan Yew in which he did not mince words:

"How The Problem of Muslim Loyalty In the Armed Services Is Discussed In Singapore:

THE closed-door dialogue on Malay issues between Senior Minister Lee Kuan Yew and community leaders scheduled for today has been postponed to March 2. The postponement will allow more people to take part in the discussion at Parliament House, said sources yesterday. Those who turn up on the new date will have a better understanding of issues such as the community's position here, national integration and the role of Malays in the Singapore Armed Forces, they added. The dialogue's organisers - Majlis Pusat, the umbrella body for 40 Malay-Muslim cultural groups, and the Association of Muslim Professionals - had expected about 60 participants, including Malay-Muslim MPs, professionals and individuals, to attend today's session. Participants have been informed about the postponement, said Mr Zulkifli Mohammed, Majlis Pusat president. The group called for the dialogue following Mr Lee's remarks on Malays in the SAF at a Singapore 21 forum in Tanjong Pagar in 1999.”

Here are excerpts from those remarks by Lee Kuan Yew at Tanjong Pagar in 1999:

"If, for instance, you put in a Malay officer who's very religious and who has family ties in Malaysia in charge of a machine gun unit, that's a very tricky business.

"We've got to know his background. I'm saying these things because they are real, and if I didn't think that, and I think even if today the Prime Minister doesn't think carefully about this, we could have a tragedy." He said, in response to a question on instinctive emotional ethnic bonds, that it would be a very tricky business for the SAF to put a Malay officer, who was very religious and who had family ties in Malaysia, in charge of a machine-gun unit. 'We've got to know his background,' said Mr Lee."

Posted by: Hugh at February 28, 2008 4:18 PM

I know that we won't be able to block Muslims from joining the military. Can we at least block people with 'Jihad' in their names from doing so, or does the US military maintain the difference between Jihad and Qatil, and accept that one is okay but the other isn't?

Posted by: Infidel Pride at February 28, 2008 4:22 PM

"Abu-Jihaad, an American-born Muslim convert formerly known as Paul R. Hall, is accused of leaking information that could have doomed his own ship."

Obviously, Paul Hall is just one of many deceived American Blacks searching for an identity in a utopian Muslim past, where color blind Muslims of all races and colors lived in Islamic brotherhood in peace and harmony.

I think three or four years in an Islamic paradise like Saudi Arabia would be an appropriate sentence for someone so badly in need of an education in the realities of Islam.

Posted by: rational at February 28, 2008 4:28 PM

If convicted, he faces up to 25 years in prison.

Or at least sentenced to 25 years in prison, then when things quiet down, an unpublicized reversal and a reinstatement to his former position. Who knows what friends in high places can do? "Abu Jihaad, ask not what you can do for Islam, ask what Islam can do for you."

Posted by: special_guest at February 28, 2008 4:40 PM

Hugh above mentions "The Muslim soldier who attemped to kill his officers (he did kill two), by rolling grenades into their tent as they lay sleeping."

Not only did Sergeant Hasan K. Akbar roll three grenades into a tent and murder two fellow officers, he also -- according to the New York Times -- "then stood outside with an assault rifle and fired at the soldiers as they ducked for cover."

The same NYT article also mentions that "Sergeant Akbar was known to take Islam seriously, talking to other soldiers at the mess hall about the ways of the prophet."

He ended up taking Islam too seriously.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C02E5D81138F93AA25755C0A9659C8B63

Posted by: cantor at February 28, 2008 4:53 PM

The Oath of Enlistment (for enlistees):

"I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God."

The Oath of Office (for officers):

"I, _____ (SSAN), having been appointed an officer in the Army of the United States, as indicated above in the grade of _____ do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign or domestic, that I will bear true faith and allegiance tot he same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservations or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office upon which I am about to enter; So help me God."

No Muslim can honestly swear these oaths, or any oath to anything except Islam. But that's OK with the multi-culti PC idiots because all religions are equal, so all oaths must be equal.

Posted by: songdongnigh at February 28, 2008 5:43 PM

Hey,we should start studying the koran and sharia law,to better understand these people,like they do in Britain...
Better yet,we should strongly consider kicking them out of the military and out of our country.

Posted by: adela at February 28, 2008 5:59 PM

There is such a thing called "conscientious objection" that a convert can claim if military duty directly affects ones religious beliefs.

In the case of Mr. "Inner-struggle" he chose to martyr himself in the Straits of Hormuz. That is unless he was conveniently on leave during that time which I doubt.

I wonder what mosque in Phoenix influenced his careful adherence to the Quran? Where is the rest of the story? How vague can a story be?

I hope any military benefits have been cut off completely for the conspirator.

-XRDC

Posted by: XRDC at February 28, 2008 6:09 PM

The Naval Intelligence Service is not doing its job, is it?

Probably, its members are not allowed to "profile"--that is keep an eye on Moslems in the Navy more than on the ordinary, that is non-Moslem, enlisted man or officer.

Posted by: unicorns62000 at February 28, 2008 6:17 PM

"The Naval Intelligence Service is not doing its job..."

NIS can't keep track of gang affilitations in the Navy let alone religious connections.

NIS is an acronym for mutually exclusive terms.

-XRDC

Posted by: XRDC at February 28, 2008 6:21 PM

Like I said 1000x before, black muslims in the US are our biggest 5th column

Posted by: Dumbo at February 28, 2008 6:41 PM

adela said

Hey,we should start studying the koran and sharia law,to better understand these people

At the Pentagon, 7 years after 9/11, 8 years after the USS Cole bombing, 15 years after the first WTC bombing, 15 years after the Battle of Mogadishu ("Black Hawk Down"), 27 years after the Beirut barracks bombing, 29 years after the Iranian Hostage Crisis, 207 years after the start of the Barbary Wars, there was no team of experts studying the Qur'an and Islamic history, debating various finer points of Islamic belief. There was one guy, Stephen Coughlin. And he's been fired. By Hesham Islam, a Muslim working for the Deputy Secretary of Defense.

I kid you not.

Posted by: special_guest at February 28, 2008 7:38 PM

Yep. One of the Borg Collective probing how far they can go in hollowing us out from the inside.

Of course he will do much less time that our brave soldiers who are in the brig for allegedly using 'excessive force' based on the testimony of the enemy - just as stated in the AQ HANDBOOK.

THIS IS REALLY SURREAL.

Posted by: Allah Schmallah at February 28, 2008 9:08 PM

Yep. One of the Borg Collective probing how far they can go in hollowing us out from the inside.

Of course he will do much less time that our brave soldiers who are in the brig for allegedly using 'excessive force' based on the testimony of the enemy - just as stated in the AQ HANDBOOK.

THIS IS REALLY SURREAL.

Posted by: Allah Schmallah at February 28, 2008 9:13 PM

"Abu-Jihaad"

Look. Even if you mix a funny Simpson's character's name with 'jihad', it still comes up 'jihad'. How on Earth are we going to beat these guys if we can't trust our own men? I'm starting to think that FDR (D) was right.

Posted by: Goob at February 29, 2008 2:54 AM

Correct me if I am wrong, but treason is punishable by death ?

Anyway I think Mr Jihaad (tell me thats a pisstake !) will have a very entertaining time in military prison both from his fellow prisoners and the guards.

If you were recruiting for the army/navy and some fellow called Jihaad rolled up, would it not set off a few alarm bells.

Posted by: ericthekuffar at February 29, 2008 3:11 AM

"If you were recruiting for the army/navy and some fellow called Jihaad rolled up, would it not set off a few alarm bells."
by ericthekuffar

Yes and you would quickly be labeled an islamophobe and CAIR would have a field day with the recruiter who "wouldn't allow loyal American Muslims to serve their country".

"I think three or four years in an Islamic paradise like Saudi Arabia would be an appropriate sentence for someone so badly in need of an education in the realities of Islam."
by rational

Better a life sentence. Someone so in love with Islam should be condemned to spend the rest of his days in its birthplace, after having been stripped of US citizenship and denied any right even to set foot on US territory ever again. You have to wonder what he'll think of turning on America after he sees the racism of the Arabs firsthand. If all that desert sand isn't to his liking, there's always Indonesia.

Posted by: PMK at February 29, 2008 7:25 AM

Once again neither intelligence nor commonsense came to the fore: the dullards within the higher ranks who overlooked this glaring connection to Jihad (Abu-Jihaad) should be demoted and made to walk the plank.
Abu-Jihaad, on the other hand, should swing from the yardarm. This, obviously, would trigger a howling of protest from the lefties, Democrats and America-bashers about our intolerance and, inherent, racism!
Needless to say, none of the above will ever occur because traitors of this ilk are deemed as being merely disgruntled or misguided nutters. If, by remote chance, anyone in the navy eventually pays the freight, it will be some paper-shuffler within the bowels of its bureaucracy.
It may be best to hand "Abu-Jihaad" over to his shipmates... they would, undoubtedly, mete out true justice.

Posted by: ballzack at February 29, 2008 8:21 AM

"rediscover that old time religion."
-Hugh

It's good enough for me. Unless when asked to bend my knee to Baal.

Officials don't speculate about such a potential conflict of loyalties because when one worships at the PC alter,religious texts furnishing motives toward past and most critically,present behavior, are not the issue. It's fundamentalism which is seen as the culprit whether speaking of Christian fundamentalism,Jewish fundamentalism,Hindu fundamentalism,Muslim fundamentalism,Atheist fundamentalism,all of it predicated on the false premise that all "religions are the same" or "all point to the same truth" all the while ignoring that "religion",distinguishable from all others,utilized as a vehicle for Arab imperialism since the earliest Mecca caravan raids.

Posted by: We need G.C. Scott at February 29, 2008 2:14 PM

I was on USS Benfold and I knew Abu-Jihaad. I played spades and dominos with him. I slept 20' from where he slept.

I am not surprised that he wasn't taken seriously. He was a fat kid with a no-shave chit. He perpetually wore an idiotic grin 2 feet across. He picked Abu-Jihaad for his name. He was ridiculous. People thought he was kinda slow. What kind of idiot would convert to Christianity and change his name to Jesus Thou-Shalt-Not-Commit-Adultery? If you had seen this kid you would have written him off as another misguided convert from the inner city. Now, of course, I feel like he was playing an elaborate game of "step'n fetchit" and I was a fool on a ship of fools.

Let me add that he did what he did in 1999-2000. I know it's a cliche, but really people. This was before 9/11 and before the Cole bombing. It's easy to look back and say "how could they..." but that he could have been a terrorist or jihadi sympathizer, if you had suggested it, people would have laughed at you. There wouldn't have been an EO complaint or a lawsuit. Nobody would have taken you seriously. I know because I worked with another convert that many people thought was a security risk and nobody took us seriously. It (and I really hate to say this), was a different world. A more negligent world, to be sure, but a different one.

He was actually from Detroit, Phoenix is where they arrested him, but that's neither here nor there.

I taught that bastard how to write his name in Arabic.

Posted by: seevargr at February 29, 2008 3:54 PM

I was on USS Benfold and I knew Abu-Jihaad. I played spades and dominos with him. I slept 20' from where he slept.

I am not surprised that he wasn't taken seriously. He was a fat kid with a no-shave chit. He perpetually wore an idiotic grin 2 feet across. He picked Abu-Jihaad for his name. He was ridiculous. People thought he was kinda slow. What kind of idiot would convert to Christianity and change his name to Jesus Thou-Shalt-Not-Commit-Adultery? If you had seen this kid you would have written him off as another misguided convert from the inner city. Now, of course, I feel like he was playing an elaborate game of "step'n fetchit" and I was a fool on a ship of fools.

Let me add that he did what he did in 1999-2000. I know it's a cliche, but really people. This was before 9/11 and before the Cole bombing. It's easy to look back and say "how could they..." but that he could have been a terrorist or jihadi sympathizer, if you had suggested it, people would have laughed at you. There wouldn't have been an EO complaint or a lawsuit. Nobody would have taken you seriously. I know because I worked with another convert that many people thought was a security risk and nobody took us seriously. It (and I really hate to say this), was a different world. A more negligent world, to be sure, but a different one.

He was actually from Detroit, Phoenix is where they arrested him, but that's neither here nor there.

I taught that bastard how to write his name in Arabic.

Posted by: seevargr at February 29, 2008 3:57 PM

The guy's last name is "Jihad," for Pete's sake!

Spelled "Jihaad," but a Jihad by any other spelling is still...Islamic Holy War.

Posted by: darcy at March 2, 2008 8:29 AM