WOW! They (AQ) must have gotten an advanced copy. I didnt think anybody had seen it yet

Posted by: Mr Ape Pig at February 29, 2008 11:33 AM

How convenient to have Al-Qaeda issue the fatwa, so all the western leaders can console themselves that it's just the extremist fringe and not Islam itself that threatens those who oppose it's agenda with a vile death. But who is marching in all these demonstrations and who do they think causes all the mischief when Al-Qaeda says to '"terrorise" the Netherlands to prevent Wilders' controversial film on the Koran from being broadcast....?'

Posted by: Isabellathecrusader at February 29, 2008 11:36 AM

"In the name of Allah, we ask you to bring us the neck of this unbeliever who insults Islam and the Muslims and ridicules the prophet Mohammed," the site says about Wilders, according to the newspaper.

The message honours Mohammed Bouyeri as a hero. This Amsterdam-born Moroccan Muslim cut Islam-critic Theo van Gogh's throat on 2 November 2004. The message also appeals for readers to "terrorise" the Netherlands to prevent Wilders' controversial film on the Koran from being broadcast....

Well, Mr. van der Vlis, Amsterdam city councilman, who is spreading hatred now? Who is preaching against the open and tolerant society?

Posted by: ebonystone at February 29, 2008 11:40 AM

Instead of using Iraq, why doesn't every free nation do something as provocative as this and get all the jihad crazies and psychos to go totally ballistic

Posted by: Dumbo at February 29, 2008 11:50 AM

Sometimes humor is just what the doctor ordered....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uwOL4rB-go

Posted by: No_Mooselimbs at February 29, 2008 11:55 AM

Also, there was this neat article on the same website about some Muslim schools in NL using tax money to send pupils, parents, and unconnected Muslims on pilgrimages to scum Mecca. They also cheated on tests, overpaid staff and had imans on the payroll who did nothing school related but the usual nonsense. Corruption Islamic style!
http://www.nisnews.nl/public/301107_2.htm

Posted by: Dumbo at February 29, 2008 11:58 AM

It really is amazing how no one has seen a second of this movie and it's already being denounced as hateful, islamophobic blah blah blah. Any excuse to be pissed off at the west is good enough tho.

OT...Benazir's party is now courting a pro-taliban party to join a coalition government.

Posted by: kyros at February 29, 2008 12:06 PM

Islam simply has no confidence in it's own supposed greatness, so it has to kill, maim, or attack anyone who offends it's obviously flimsy and questionable foundations.

Death! Death! Death! , Kill! Kill! Kill!
Hate women!, Hate Dogs, Hate those who think for themselves! hate freedom! hate Humanity! hate science!, Hate charity! hate love!

and most important of all LOVE DEATH!!!

Islam's doctrine must purge the human soul of all it's HUMAMNITY cause how do we explain how ANY human being can be so bloodthirsty as Muslims are in regards to defending their Religion from alleged Insults . it is amost prehistoric in it's intensity.

Everything Islam believes is the exact opposite of reality.

Posted by: MoBlows at February 29, 2008 12:23 PM

So all the "peaceful" Muslims have it in their power to go out and speak loudly and forcefully against this fatwa and to offer to defend Mr. Wilders from all who would kill him as a result of their misinterpretations of Islam. Will even one Dutch Muslim put his body between Wilders and the next weapon-wielding assassin? HAH!!!

Contrary to popular theory, absence of evidence IS evidence of absence where peaceful Islam is concerned.

Posted by: PMK at February 29, 2008 12:30 PM

"In the name of Allah, we ask you to bring us the neck of this unbeliever...

This is going to give Allah a bad name in some parts of town. And what if Allah can't or won't deliver that neck, like he has not delivered Rushdie's?
Does this mean that Allah is incapable? That puny, filthy Kuffars can out wit Allah, and all his minions? And if Allah is not willing, why are muslims still willing? If Allah chooses to let Wilder, or Rushdie go his way, is it not...anti-Islamic, to kill him anyway?
But Allah contradicts himself. On one hand he provides escape, and a long term secure situation, on the other hand, he has already spoken to muslims through the Quran and his Ayatollahs, about how he expects muslims to deal with unbelievers. This makes Allah a double agent, or he plays favorites.
And contrary to the popular notion, some of Allah's favorites seem to be apostates, and filthy Kuffars. Shocking huh...
If that is not the case, why is he hiding and protecting the likes or Rushdie, or Hersi Ali, or any number of people muslims would love to get their hands on. Wilder is no exception. Allah may be willing, to his killing, but I think not.
Allah knows his good name is being sullied, and while muslims may play uproar, Allah will attempt damage control. If Wilder was killed, it would wreck Allah's entire European project. Allah knows best, so ten to one, he protects Wilder...

Posted by: duh_swami at February 29, 2008 12:35 PM

"If a computer acts up, the technician resets it to the default settings it had when it left the factory. If followers of a religion act up, one should examine the default settings the religion had when it left its founder."
- Jesus and Muhammad compared

People here know the difference between Muhammad and Jesus. This article describes it in glaring detail. What will Muslims say in response?

http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=57615

Posted by: PMK at February 29, 2008 12:37 PM

How nice to see the world continues to burn with the peace of Islam...

Posted by: pythagoras at February 29, 2008 12:43 PM

Don't blame the peaceful Muslim Interfaith Outreach Group (a.k.a. Al Qaeda). The Zionist-Crusader-Polytheist conspiracy made them do it.

Posted by: special_guest at February 29, 2008 12:44 PM

I just checked the web site al-ekhlaas.net referenced in the post. Although it's in Arabic, there is a site meter at the bottom that reads 19,197,612 hits.

Coincidentally, this is EXACTLY the same number as shown on JW's site meter.

What gives?

Posted by: Eastview at February 29, 2008 12:47 PM

Actually, ours is in the neighborhood of 19,197,315 at the moment.

But we'll catch up.

Posted by: MarisolJW at February 29, 2008 12:51 PM

People here know the difference between Muhammad and Jesus. This article describes it in glaring detail. What will Muslims say in response?
PMK.

I don't know what will Muslims say, but Christians say:
. "At the end of his life, Jesus Christ himself prayed for his enemies: “Forgive them; for they do not know what they are doing” (Luke 23:34).
The Prophet Muhammad did similarly when he was violently rejected and stoned by the people of Ta’if. He is known to have said, “The most virtuous behavior is to engage those who sever relations, to give to those who withhold from you, and to forgive those who wrong you.”

Posted by: pong at February 29, 2008 12:58 PM

The Prophet is known to have said, “The most virtuous behavior is to engage those who sever relations, to give to those who withhold from you, and to forgive those who wrong you.”

Obviously the followers of islam took this particular saying to heart.

Posted by: ericthekuffar at February 29, 2008 1:09 PM

Standby for Jihad

Posted by: ericthekuffar at February 29, 2008 1:10 PM

MarisolJW:
Actually, ours is in the neighborhood of 19,197,315 at the moment. But we'll catch up.

A quick OT question, Marisol. Is that the total number of hits, or is that the number of unique visitors - i.e 19m+ individuals? (I'm clueless on techy stuff, but curious).

Posted by: Matamoros at February 29, 2008 1:11 PM

OT.

Posted yesterday critical of Barrack Hussein Obama saying in satire that he was the son of headbanger Zawahiri, that he wore the uniform of the enemy on a visit to Africa in 2004 (he did), that he was the Big Zero (a socialist one) - on a Zawahiri comment posting.

And my post was lifted.

Political correctness ? Ass puckering liberal squirming embarassment ?

Now 'Hussein' in islamic history was the grandson of that murderous pedophile Mohammed ?

Afraid to say it ?

Afraid to criticize him ?

His position in expression does remind one of that Italian imam who was for everything - a pipe open at both ends - highly muslamic.

If you are afraid to comment, how successful will we be in dealing with islam ?

Posted by: dgene at February 29, 2008 1:13 PM

OT.

Posted yesterday critical of Barrack Hussein Obama saying in satire that he was the son of headbanger Zawahiri, that he wore the uniform of the enemy on a visit to Africa in 2004 (he did), that he was the Big Zero (a socialist one) - on a Zawahiri comment posting.

And my post was lifted.

Political correctness ? Ass puckering liberal squirming embarassment ?

Now 'Hussein' in islamic history was the grandson of that murderous pedophile Mohammed ?

Afraid to say it ?

Afraid to criticize him ?

His position in expression does remind one of that Italian imam who was for everything - a pipe open at both ends - highly muslamic.

If you are afraid to comment, how successful will we be in dealing with islam ?

Posted by: dgene at February 29, 2008 1:15 PM

Correction - the picture of Barrack wearing the enemy uniform was from 2006.

Posted by: dgene at February 29, 2008 1:20 PM

Greetings in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ: hereby know ye the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God.

I don't know what will Muslims say, but Christians say:
. "At the end of his life, Jesus Christ himself prayed for his enemies: “Forgive them; for they do not know what they are doing” (Luke 23:34).
The Prophet Muhammad did similarly when he was violently rejected and stoned by the people of Ta’if. He is known to have said, “The most virtuous behavior is to engage those who sever relations, to give to those who withhold from you, and to forgive those who wrong you.”

Posted by: pong

Oh yes, we also remember vividly how Jesus had Jews decapitated, stoned the adulterous woman, and gave assent to the assassin of the poetess who mocked him. Hmmmm, sounds similar to me! /sarc

Posted by: Stand fast in the liberty at February 29, 2008 1:24 PM

So what if we removed all moslems from Europe so that Mr. Wilders and anyone else who felt like it were able to exercise our God-give Right to Freedom of Speech and Freedom of Expression?

I hold these freedoms higher than the obligation to have moslems in the West.

At the very least they should be expelled at the slightest sign of threatening the indigenous populations..

We do NOT owe them residency among us.

When they indeed act like a 5th Column among is it is time to act accordingly.

Posted by: Allah Schmallah at February 29, 2008 1:26 PM

The message honours Mohammed Bouyeri as a hero. This Amsterdam-born Moroccan Muslim cut Islam-critic Theo van Gogh's throat on 2 November 2004.
...................................

Ah, yes, the great hero Mohammed Bouyeri, who brutally murdered an unarmed somewhat-out-of-shape 47-year-old chain smoker who was peacefully bicycling to his studio in broad daylight.

The only dangerous thing about Theo Van Gogh was his rather acerbic wit.

I do suppose this is more "heroic" that beheading bound prisoners, or "honor killing" your female relatives in their beds, or raping young girls.

You learn a lot about a culture by seeing who they esteem as heroes. Suicide bombers walking into cafes full of civilians, or crowded pet markets full of kids and families, or those shooting off rockets from the safety of children's playgrounds, or large roving bands of "youths" attacking lone unveiled women.

Not exactly my definition of heroes.

Posted by: gravenimage at February 29, 2008 1:29 PM

Political correctness ? Ass puckering liberal squirming embarassment ? - dgene

First, watch your language. If that's what you think of any of us at Jihad Watch, this may not be the site for you.

You asked if Zawahiri was Obama's dad.

It's our position that the idea that Obama is a crypto-Muslim is a lot of hooey. He does appear to view the Islamic world through rose-colored glasses, and to be particularly blind to the notion that there could be anything wrong with Islam that has anything to do with its core texts and teachings. Certain attitudes expressed by his religious congregation at local as well as higher levels (for example, in this story) seem to reinforce that general world view.

But the two assertions-- crypto-Muslim vs. multiculturalist Pollyanna-- are not the same. And unless and until "smoking gun" evidence proves otherwise, I think that to suggest that Obama is a closet Muslim or closet jihadist does not help our efforts. Even though comments are unmoderated and not endorsed by any of us, that sort of thing reflects badly on the rest of us, making the site and its users seem like paranoid reactionaries and turning off first-time visitors and potential supporters. And, of course, we reserve the right to delete any comments that are "off-topic, offensive, slanderous, or otherwise annoying."

Posted by: MarisolJW at February 29, 2008 1:31 PM

A pity that the condemnation of terror acts committed by muslims aren't forthcoming as quickly as the fatwas...

Posted by: jawa at February 29, 2008 1:39 PM

Hi Marisol:

Methinks your concern is how we appear rather than who we are.

You make the extreme of the argument to discredit free speech ( saying I'm saying the big zero is a closet muslim), rather than that his past and present associations - allied with people who have supplied and supported the 'palestinean' lesser jihad, which is the case. And Farrakon loves him.

If one is afraid of one's own shadow, there is little freedom and hence little progress.

Posted by: dgene at February 29, 2008 1:49 PM

Dgene-- I have already addressed that here (reiterating a few things in an earlier comment here).

And you could have made the rest of your case first instead of accusing us of "*ss puckering liberal squirming embarassment." Not exactly a good-faith argument.

Posted by: MarisolJW at February 29, 2008 1:59 PM

"At the end of his life, Jesus Christ himself prayed for his enemies: “Forgive them; for they do not know what they are doing” (Luke 23:34).
The Prophet Muhammad did similarly when he was violently rejected and stoned by the people of Ta’if. He is known to have said, “The most virtuous behavior is to engage those who sever relations, to give to those who withhold from you, and to forgive those who wrong you.”

Posted by: pong

Actually, "at the end of his life" Mohammed cursed and threatened Jews and Christians, while lying in the lap of the wife he'd molested when she was a child.

Apocryphal stories have it that Mohammed was poisoned by one of his sex slaves, who resented the fact that he'd murdered and/or enslaved her entire family during one of his loot-rich "defensive raids."

A difficult comparison.

Posted by: Marwan'sDaughter at February 29, 2008 2:03 PM

MarisolJW
dgene

Take a read at this.......

America is being fooled by Barak Hussein Obama!!

http://www.sonsofapesandpigs.org/2008/02/press-release-america-is-being.html

Posted by: Abrog8 at February 29, 2008 2:10 PM

Oh yes, we also remember vividly how Jesus had Jews decapitated, stoned the adulterous woman, and gave assent to the assassin of the poetess who mocked him. Hmmmm, sounds similar to me! /sarc
Posted by: Stand fast in the liberty

Well, Jesus died at 33. At this age Mohammad wasn’t as vicious as he became later. Who knows, if Jesus had more time what it would come to. His followers did all those terrible things without hesitation or slightest remorse.

Posted by: pong at February 29, 2008 2:13 PM

Marwan'sDaughter-

I thought that the poisoning referenced in his fatal illness was the effect felt from the poisoning attempt made at Khaibar years earlier. And it's that poisoning (by a Jew), along with other rejections from the Jewish community, that has led to mohammed's deep hatred for the Jews.

Posted by: Sharmuta at February 29, 2008 2:14 PM

The NIS News report quoted above repeats the tendency among news media writers to euphemistically obtund what Van Gogh's assassin did:

"This Amsterdam-born Moroccan Muslim cut Islam-critic Theo van Gogh's throat on 2 November 2004."

He didn't merely cut Van Gogh's throat. After he shot him a couple of times, he ignored his pleas to spare his life and crouched over him with calm determination trying to saw off his head. As one bystander eyewitness was quoted, he used "calm and controlled... cutting movements" and that it seemed as if he was "cutting off a slice of roast beef".

http://dutchreport.blogspot.com/2005_01_01_dutchreport_archive.html

Posted by: cantor at February 29, 2008 2:14 PM

Political correctness ? Ass puckering liberal squirming embarassment ?

Never found that on THIS SITE; sometimes a little crazy and funny.

Lots of times with incisive wit and analysis.

Moi, politiquement correct - jamais.

Ass puckering liberal moi - you must be deranged

The only embarassment is people like you.

A little knowledge is a dangerous thing.

Posted by: ericthekuffar at February 29, 2008 2:14 PM

And I do apologize for the off colour quality of the accusation.

I am actually in awe of the intellectual quality of controllers of Jihadwatch and commend all of you.

Recall about one year ago when Hugh was saying we shoul leave Iraq, it was a tarbaby, a guaranteed loser.

This poster said we would win, that we had to kill and capture the insurgents, which is, thanks to G.W. and General Petraeus we did, about fifty a day, and we are winning and will win.

And Hugh, of superior intellect, argued against this, and, believe he was, though brilliant, and can argue rings around me, not correct.

Now this poster sees the big zero, Obama, as a more local threat and danger in what he represents - prepared to confront him and his wife as a danger and a funnel for tolerance of the intolerant islam into the West.

And one should be quiet ?

Posted by: dgene at February 29, 2008 2:15 PM

MarisolJW
dgene

On the same topic......

Is Obama’s Life at Risk?

http://www.amilimani.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=99&Itemid=2

Posted by: Abrog8 at February 29, 2008 2:15 PM

The putative threat to the candidate is obviously a promulgation of his own campaign office - probably increased the contributions to his campaign.

Important not to be sandbaggsed by the allegation.

Ask yourself where does the candidate stand on the challenge of islam against the West.

And here is the area he is trying to cover up, plaster over, or avoid.

And here is where he could, aside from being a socialist, be a disaster for the country.

Why isn't he being challenged on these issues ?

Posted by: dgene at February 29, 2008 2:22 PM

Very Brave of this man to expose the truth. Hope he survives to release more educational films.

Posted by: No More Ham, Ed at February 29, 2008 2:23 PM

"His followers did all those terrible things without hesitation or slightest remorse."

Name one

Posted by: Mr Ape Pig at February 29, 2008 2:27 PM

And one should be quiet ?

Obviously not you.

We have a common enemy, try concentrating on that instead of getting into crap like who said what and when.

And yes I agree with you too a degree about Obama I think he brings to the struggle against terrorism and the threat of Islamism "the tepid enthusiasm of a lazy afternoon at a cricket match"

But that does not make him a muslim stooge.

Posted by: ericthekuffar at February 29, 2008 2:36 PM

No More Ham, Ed said:

"Very Brave of this man to expose the truth. Hope he survives to release more educational films."

I agree, but I also hope it inspires others to make their own films or videos, or write a book- anything to expose more to the truth of islam. Mr. Wilders is indeed very brave, and a hero for this. (And I love his hair. Heehee.)

Posted by: Sharmuta at February 29, 2008 2:46 PM

Sorry for interrupting the intra-JW squabbling with an OT link:

Man critical after ricin find in Vegas

Roberts says police don't think foul play is involved, and the FBI says the case doesn't appear to be terrorism-related. But authorities aren't sure why the man had a vial of powdered ricin in his room.

No mention of his name. I wonder if it's Mohammad Abu-Jihaad, or some variation thereof?

Posted by: special_guest at February 29, 2008 2:47 PM

I think we all need to remember that the host of this website has put a lot of time and energy in getting it up and running and continues to put a lot of time and energy in keeping it a respectable, yet thought-provoking and informative site covering matters the MSM ignores. We who post here are guests, and should not abuse the privilege or be upsite if comments are deleted.

From my experience, this site allows a lot of latitude for guests to disagree with the host, or to bring new ideas before the readership.

Let's agree to disagree on some things, while keeping the dialog civil.

So, for example, instead of issuing a fatwa from the comments section of this site against Osama Bin Laden, it might be a good idea to simply point out the irony that, if anyone ever did issue such a fatwa, there would be many who would be quick to condemn that as hate-speech, and play the moral equivalency card.

Or, for example, we can point out facts that indicate that Barack Obama has an awfully close and comfortable relationship with Islam, and that it does not really matter whether or not he is Muslim, as long as he would be willing to accommodate and further the current agenda of Islam both in the U.S. and around the globe, if elected. Which I do not doubt for a second.

Posted by: Karl2 at February 29, 2008 2:57 PM

Infidels are your sworn enemies (Sura 4:101).
Be ruthless to the infidels (Sura 48:29).
Make war on the infidels who dwell around you (Sura 9:123, 66:9).
Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day (Sura 9:29).
Strike off the heads of infidels in battle (Sura 47:4).
If someone stops believing in Allah, kill him (al-Bukhari 9:84:57).
Take neither the Jews nor the Christians for your friends (Sura 5:51, 60:13).
Never be a helper to the disbelievers (Sura 28:86).
Kill the disbelievers wherever we find them (Sura 2:191).
No Muslim should be killed for killing an infidel (al-Bukhari 1:3:111).
The only reward of those who make war upon Allah and His messenger will be that they will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet on alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land (Sura 5:33).

End of Sermon on the Mount

Posted by: ericthekuffar at February 29, 2008 3:37 PM

This sounds like the trigger for another "outreach program to the Muslim community."

The more riots and killings, bigger the outreach.

Posted by: rational at February 29, 2008 4:23 PM

This sounds like the trigger for another "outreach program to the Muslim community."

You could well be right, but I think not in the way you think.

The Times They Are a Changing.

Posted by: ericthekuffar at February 29, 2008 4:32 PM

The Dutch prime minister warns Wilders and all people who cooperate with him:

http://kleinverzet.blogspot.com/2008/02/dutch-prime-minister-on-wilders-film.html

More info here:

http://kleinverzet.blogspot.com/

Posted by: Ferdy at February 29, 2008 5:08 PM

In a statement to the press, Dutch Prime Minister Jan Peter Balkenende said the Netherlands stands for freedom, but also for respect.

As posted by: ericthekuffar above, would be respect for this:

Infidels are your sworn enemies (Sura 4:101).
Be ruthless to the infidels (Sura 48:29).
Make war on the infidels who dwell around you (Sura 9:123, 66:9).
Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day (Sura 9:29).
Strike off the heads of infidels in battle (Sura 47:4).
If someone stops believing in Allah, kill him (al-Bukhari 9:84:57).
Take neither the Jews nor the Christians for your friends (Sura 5:51, 60:13).
Never be a helper to the disbelievers (Sura 28:86).
Kill the disbelievers wherever we find them (Sura 2:191).
No Muslim should be killed for killing an infidel (al-Bukhari 1:3:111).
The only reward of those who make war upon Allah and His messenger will be that they will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet on alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land (Sura 5:33).

No thanks.

Posted by: Sounder at February 29, 2008 5:18 PM

Marisol,
I don't accuse Obama of being a "closet Muslim" but what are we to make of stories like the one below? Are they false? Are they exaggerations? Should we be unconcerned because Obama is an American?
Egyptian law said a woman who was born Christian was a Muslim for life because her father briefly dabbled in Islam when she was two years old. Can't we assume that Egyptian law reflects Sharia?

http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=57599

The release of Shadia Nagui Ibrahim, 47, came only a few weeks after WND reported on plans for a rally in Egypt on behalf of the woman who was unaware that when she was two years old, her father briefly left Christianity to pursue Islam, before returning to Christianity.

Under Egyptian law, that made her a Muslim for life, so she was charged with, and convicted of, fraud for putting "Christian" as her religion on her marriage certificate in 1982.

Posted by: PMK at February 29, 2008 5:34 PM

PMK-- that's posted over on Dhimmi Watch (if you haven't seen it), though it's farther down the page by now.

The one comparable angle I see in Obama's case is the chance that, whether or not the Muslim world-- jihadists in particular-- decide to label him an apostate.

One reason they may not have so far is that it would be bad PR at this point, as the notion of being involuntarily and irrevocably born into a system of belief is so absurd in the West.

But if he finds himself in a position (in any public capacity) where he has to take a harder line on something unpopular in the Muslim world (say there's another jihadist attack, or an imminent attack, requiring a decisive military response somewhere in the world), I think it might become more likely that they would see fit to play that card.

Posted by: MarisolJW at February 29, 2008 5:57 PM

On no they didn't! lol

Posted by: Bingo at February 29, 2008 6:10 PM

Marisol,
Thanks. I haven't seen dhimmi watch in a while.

But I think you validate the point that many people have tried to make here: Obama's Muslim parentage poses a dilemma for American voters. It can't just be brushed aside because Obama himself is a practicing Christian. He could be vulnerable to pressure because of his heritage and the need to prove himself one way or the other. That can't be overlooked. The stakes are too high.

Posted by: PMK at February 29, 2008 6:16 PM

PMK--

Those concerns about his world view, I think, are valid (see my comment above about concerns about "multiculturalist Pollyanna" candidates) -- just as every politician has a lot to prove to voters about his/her ability to govern. My point was that those concerns are less likely to be addressed if the issue is confused with allegations that Obama is a crypto-Muslim or crypto-jihadist (which I know isn't what you're getting at from your previous comment), which is why I had taken issue in the first place with the comment "Is that Obama's dad?" yesterday.

Posted by: MarisolJW at February 29, 2008 6:30 PM

Well, Jesus died at 33. At this age Mohammad wasn’t as vicious as he became later. Who knows, if Jesus had more time what it would come to. His followers did all those terrible things without hesitation or slightest remorse.

pong,
Is that the best you could do? "Mohammad wasn't as vicious as he became later"? Are you kidding? Surely you have to be. Why did Mohammed become "vicious" at all when his was a message of peace? As for Jesus' followers vs Mohammed's here you go:

In the first 300 years of Christianity, there were 10 major Roman persecutions, and Christians were fed to lions in the Colosseum. Never did Christians lead an armed resistance against those who attacked them.

In the first 300 years of Islam, Muslim armies conquered Arabia, Persia, the Holy Land, North Africa, Spain, Southern France, Central Africa, and invaded vast areas of Asia and Asia Minor.

Posted by: PMK at February 29, 2008 6:30 PM

special_guest

He couldn't be a jihadist because they found a dead dog in the room along with the dead body and you know no self respecting muslim would have a dog as a pet. Of course he may have used the dog to test how lethal and how quickly the ricin would kill. I did hear on Fox News this AM that the motel was across the street from a water treatment facility.

Posted by: Blanco at February 29, 2008 6:33 PM

Another photo of Obama in muslim dress.

http://kleinverzet.blogspot.com/2008/02/other-obama-photo.html

Posted by: Borg at February 29, 2008 6:51 PM

ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ

Posted by: OLDEngland at February 29, 2008 8:28 PM

Of course he may have used the dog to test how lethal and how quickly the ricin would kill.

Bingo!

Posted by: interestinconundrum at February 29, 2008 8:33 PM

The only thing I know for sure about Obama is that the Obamamaniacs are running wild. The local Obamites are starting to shout Obamau-Akbar.
His ardent admirers keep passing out, and he keeps winning. This is not a good sign for America, but I bet Putin loves it. Can an international tough guy like Putin take a softy like Barack seriously?
We may get a chance to find out...

Pong: Well, Jesus died at 33. At this age Mohammad wasn’t as vicious as he became later. Who knows, if Jesus had more time what it would come to. His followers did all those terrible things without hesitation or slightest remorse.

Is that the best you could do?
Posted by: PMK

I thought Pong could do better than that also.
Guess not...

Posted by: duh_swami at February 29, 2008 9:51 PM

@pong

Do you really think you are convincing or contributing to the discussion of this thread? When you consistently bate and make (I will use the words of your fellow muslims) racist statements.

On you first vain post you edited the reference out of Luke and I know why you did. If you had done something like;
. . . forgive them; they do not know what they are doing.
I would have not replied but you left out an important word "Father". Which changes the meaning of it completely. Now we know that allah would never forgive someone who murders a 'prophet'. Based upon you heavy handed editing of the first quot. It must be assumed that you edited the second. That would fall right in character with Mo and you. Lairs habitual lairs.

Your deceptive style shows the weakness of Islam especially when you falsely and slanderously use Christ and his teachings as a counter or comparison. Finally as I posted on another thread. Jesus rose from the dead and has been impacting the world for the good the last 2000 years. Mo, is still dead and as far as I can tell been directly and indirectly responsible for more death and mayhem than just about anyone.

Luke 23:34
Then Jesus said, "Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they do." And they divided His garments and cast lots.

لوقا 23:34
ثم قال يسوع : "يا ابتاه اغفر لهم لأنهم لا يعرفون ما يفعلونه." وانها منقسمه له الملابس ويلقي القرعه

Posted by: Im.mad.as.HELL! at February 29, 2008 10:24 PM

A Footwah (Western answer to the "Fatwa"):

In the name of Sanity itself, I say that all decent human beings must boot
Al-Qaeda completely off this lovely planet.

Posted by: profitsbeard at February 29, 2008 11:02 PM

interestinconundrum said

Bingo!

B-I-N-G-O
And Bingo was his name-o

Posted by: special_guest at February 29, 2008 11:35 PM

OT; on this thread and others the situation comes up were certain people are identified as Muslims and/or Christians or other religions. I can't answer to the other religions and would not mind if some would commented on other faiths.

The point is who, how and when does someone become a Muslim or Christian? It is generally understood that most Muslims are born into it and at a specific age they are considered such. Not saying that people don't convert to it. Christians don't become Christians by being born in a Christian country or home. Or because they go to a Christian church or are baptized as a baby. People become Christians at a specific point in their life when they understand the gospel message. That word means "Good News". They believe it and from that point on they call then selves Christians.

So when some one says so and so in a Christian that may or may not be true. The only way you can tell is to listen to what they say about Christ or if you know them personally how they act toward others. So I for now I will not say that Obama is a Christian because (even though he says he is) I have not heard enough from him on the subject. It kind of like everything else about him. I think this is the wise thing to do.

I only bring this up because there is much confusion and ignorance about this. The people in Islam assume all infidel are Christian or Jews because they think in terms of their experience. I also realize many can point to people they have know that would not seem to be Christian and maybe they aren't. I am not wishing to open a new can of worms just wanted clarify.

Posted by: Im.mad.as.HELL! at February 29, 2008 11:45 PM

So where is this keenly awaited movie?! It's now March 1st.

Posted by: alexon at March 1, 2008 12:14 AM

You make the extreme of the argument to discredit free speech ( saying I'm saying the big zero is a closet muslim), rather than that his past and present associations - allied with people who have supplied and supported the 'palestinean' lesser jihad, which is the case. And Farrakon loves him.

Posted by: dgene

Gene.. I have a good name for Oprahbama:

THE BIG EMPTY

Posted by: Allah Schmallah at March 1, 2008 12:19 AM

A Fatwa is a religious decree. How can a terrorist group declare a religious decree? Unless that terror group is also a religious faction. I.e. Islamic terror same as Islamic religion. i.s. same-same. Ofcourse, dubya ( http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2001/09/20010917-11.html ), who is in wahhabbi back-pocket, and Condi ( http://www.worldaffairsboard.com/political-discussions/9095-breaking-bread-condi.html ) who is played by Jihadists like a fiddle, will disagree.

Posted by: Alert at March 1, 2008 12:29 AM

The Prophet is known to have said, “The most virtuous behavior is to engage those who sever relations, to give to those who withhold from you, and to forgive those who wrong you.”

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I wish people would STOP referring to the prophet of the mahometans as THE prophet.

He certainly is NOT my prophet.

And to be honest I wish they would sever relations already and that we would do the same.

We owe them nothing. In fact if we do owe them anything, it's not a paycheck. It's PAYBACK!

Let the relations be severed, please!

Posted by: Allah Schmallah at March 1, 2008 12:34 AM

"Christians don't become Christians by being born in a Christian country or home. Or because they go to a Christian church or are baptized as a baby. People become Christians at a specific point in their life when they understand the gospel message. That word means "Good News". They believe it and from that point on they call then selves Christians."

This is a minority view of Evangelical Protestants, mostly American, passing itself off as The Only Way To Be Christian.

Posted by: cantor at March 1, 2008 3:31 AM

When you consistently bate and make (I will use the words of your fellow muslims) racist statements. Im.mad.as.HELL!

Racist?! Could you, please, be more specific. What statement is racist?

“On you first vain post you edited the reference out of Luke…” Im.mad.as.HELL!

I did not edit anything. I was quoting “Christian response…”, signed by hundreds of Christian leaders from all over the world. Why don’t you take the issue with them? Oh, sorry, never mind they are Dhimmis, they are brothers in faith, right?

To accuse me of being a Muslim is laughable. Your reaction is the same as Moslems reaction to cartoons just change Mohammad to Jesus. You can argue that you do not use violence, do not protest publicly, do not kill and do not get killed. It is only degree of hatred you have and guts you do not.

I have no intention to slander someone, who for me has the same substance as a tooth fairy. I just try to show that one can not fight Islam from Christian position. Too many leaders of Christian community are doing quite the opposite. They are looking for a dialog and peace with Islam. I am totally against it. And don’t tell me they are not good Christians, just look who signed “Christian response…”. Those people carry much more weight then you or any other Christian contributing to this blog.

It must be assumed that you edited the second. That would fall right in character with Mo and you. Lairs habitual lairs. Im.mad.as.HELL!

I could not say better myself. I find many similarities between Muslim and Christian statements. As I onle quote a Christian statement, I am glad you also find it similar "...right in character with Mo.."

Some quotes:

Referring to his planned trip to a mosque in Syria, the Pope said he hopes the visit will strengthen dialogue with Muslims and promote a "fruitful and peaceful cohabitation.

Pope Benedict has returned to Rome at the end of his first visit to a predominantly Muslim country having apparently successfully defused criticism that he views the Islamic faith as "violent".

He reached out to Muslims by praying facing towards Mecca in a famous mosque.

In December 2006 the Victorian (Australia) Civil and Administrative Tribunal decided that two pastors of the Catch the Fire ministry were guilty of vilifying Islam under the Victorian Racial and Religious Tolerance Act of 2001. When the Islamic Council of Victoria received the favorable verdict they were congratulated by Uniting Church, Catholic Church and Anglican Church members in what one is tempted to describe as a proper expression of Christian sentiment

28 March. - The leaders of the Anglican and Catholic churches of New Zealand had withdrawn from the forthcoming anti-islamic conference, saying that the Muslim faith is not a threat to society.

Dutch Catholics have re-branded the Lent fast as the "Christian Ramadan" in an attempt to appeal to young people who are more likely to know about Islam than Christianity.

Yesterday (27.02.08) the Vatican joined the al-Azhar university in Cairo in condemning the republication of Danish cartoonist Kurt Westergaard’s depiction of Muhammed with a bomb in his turban, but the Catholic state and the supreme institution of Islam in the Sunni world didn’t say a word about the foiled plot to kill Westergaard, who has been in hiding since November last year.

Until Christians clean up their act and stop appeasing Moslems you are not my allies in the fight against Islam.

Posted by: pong at March 1, 2008 4:23 AM

There are certain elements in our western society that have forced on us this social experiment with the integration of large numbers of muslims.

And for some reason we are powerless in stopping this madness. I, for one, am not interested in finding out if muslims can integrated, why should I be. Maybe some Muslims can integrate but who cares. Why not ask muslims to deal with their own crappy hellholes of countries and retrograde cultures.

It was not sufficient for Muslims to steal the lands of the byzantine empire, commit genocide on the Christian peoples in those lands and convert magnificent churches into mosques - something that the genocidal Turks are proud of to this day.

Not enough for some, now let’s get the rest. Those westerners are too stupid to see and act. Why we are help by handing over piece by piece Kosovo today, counties of the UK tomorrow.

Someone please tell me why the hell are we doing this.

Posted by: raven_ at March 1, 2008 6:08 AM

Raven.
"Eurabia..." by Bat Ye or gives many answers to your question.
The book is almost too terrifiyning to be true and yet so academically sound not to believe every word of it.

Posted by: pong at March 1, 2008 7:49 AM

and to forgive those who wrong you.”

Posted by: pong at February 29, 2008 12:58 PM

LOL. I guess Mo's way of "forgiving" was by beheading.

Mohammed never "forgave" anyone - he just had 'em murdered.

Posted by: darcy at March 1, 2008 9:15 AM

Concerning all of the "Is Obama Christian or Muslim" posts here, my own gut feeling is he does practice taqiyya.

Posted by: darcy at March 1, 2008 9:44 AM

It is good to know that there is only 91 Million prospects Al-Qaeda can appeal to.

Obama- the Lefts dream affirmative action result. The Queen of the Media. A Pied Piper who will lead the Rats that follow him to the waters edge.

Obama is the wedge splitting the fault line in the Demoncratic party between the hard Left and anything close to Blue Dog.

Let Obama play his merry tunes, where the weight of numbers will force those along the Rivers edge to their doom.

Running away offering a surrender dividend will not play well with the Majority of Americans.

Posted by: flowerknife_us at March 2, 2008 8:11 AM