Well it is still grist for internet debate mills so all is not lost for islamophiles

Posted by: GrennBeck at March 1, 2008 7:18 AM

A stunning outbreak of journalistic integrity...

Posted by: Goob at March 1, 2008 7:24 AM

The Violent Bible. It's a film that should be made. The problem is that the script is all wrong. Let's have a movie with all the "violent" Biblical passages and then DISPROVE their relationship to current events.
This Dutch public broadcaster obviously has no guts. After doing all his research and finding a lack of similarity with the Koran, he should have done a film showing exactly that.

Posted by: PMK at March 1, 2008 7:31 AM

A totally diverse nation is not a nation in any meaningful way, for the concept of a nation is a shared language and culture. For all practical purposes, a common culture means a common religion.

It is interesting to note that the desire to socially engineer a "diverse nation" is only prevalent among the political elite of the West. Nowhere else is such idiocy given any currency.

In the desire to socially engineer a "diverse nation", the political elite are destroying the West, civilisation, and in the near future, creating the conditions for a global war.

Posted by: DP111 at March 1, 2008 7:45 AM

Funny thing is, the KRO broadcasting company is a government funded CATHOLIC TV station!

http://kleinverzet.blogspot.com/2008/02/jihad-against-wilders.html

Posted by: Ferdy at March 1, 2008 7:46 AM

Hugh: EXCELLENT point!

The ethnocentric blinders of people raised in a culture largely influenced by Judeo-Christian philosophies very often prove fatal. Identifying diversity-worship as the culprit is a stroke of genius.

PMK: I suppose you are right. Myself, I was shocked enough that they let the world know they had had a problem doing this -- I would have expected that they would deep-six it, give it a quiet burial at sea, with everyone being none the wiser.

Posted by: Goob at March 1, 2008 7:50 AM

Huh? Sorry about that. I thought Hugh had posted a comment in this thread, but now I see it is a topic of its own. My apologies for any confusion my above comment causes.

Posted by: Goob at March 1, 2008 7:59 AM

And why does the west promote diversity? I'll tell you. It seems as if it is a inbred genetic fault of guilt association with our past wrongs.

Slavery and the persecution of native americans up till and including the american japanese during WW11. And with western Europe the colonization of large parts of the world in the last 500 years.

So now western europe does nothing to stop the tide of diversity invading its shores and we walk in blind lockstep with Europe to the point of promoting this diversity hogwash. Why?

So we can stand with outstretched arms and say.
"See how tolerant we are and all inclusive and great,we arent racist, please like us" It makes me sick.

I think we need to do some stem cell brain injections into our policy makers.

Posted by: havekoranwilltravel at March 1, 2008 8:06 AM

Posted byhavekoranwilltravel :I think we need to do some stem cell brain injections into our policy makers.

Like the idea. Would it be ethical though?

Posted by: DP111 at March 1, 2008 8:15 AM

Goob,
This is only a theory but the broadcaster might have felt compelled to release this statement owing to pressure to create such a film in the first place. Was the Dutch government on his case? Did he face a loss of funding if he failed to prove his "objectivity" by countering the Wilders film? Was the Dutch Muslim community demanding that such a film be made?

How is "public television" financed in Europe? I would think it's very different from what we have in America.

Posted by: PMK at March 1, 2008 8:28 AM

Agreeing with PMK, if the intent of making this film about the bible was:

The film was "one of the plans for participating in the debate that Geert Wilders has aroused with his proposal to ban the Koran.

Then, as a Catholic station, they should honor their stated intention and

fulfill their obligation to HONEST debate.

At this point, shying away from the debate is intentionally deceptive and consequently aids the jihad. Disgusting. Shameful.

Posted by: heroyalwhyness at March 1, 2008 8:31 AM

Ferdy,

That is what the disturbing part is. That this was headed by Christians who felt the need to degrade their own religion out of the concept of multiculturalism.

Posted by: Elric66 at March 1, 2008 8:31 AM

"After extensive research, linking Bible quotations with real political events and acts of violence however produced an insufficient basis for a thorough journalistic production." --

Ha-Ha! You stupid fools.

Posted by: darcy at March 1, 2008 8:59 AM

Nonetheless, the denial will continue: learned analysts the world over will continue to maintain that the problem of global jihad terrorism has nothing to do with the Qur'an and Islam -- and this denial will continue to postpone intelligent analysis of what we can do about this problem.

Funny thing, if it wasn't the ruling elites that you were talking about here, you could relegate such “thinkers” to fringe groups that wear tin-foil-hats, and use their “brain waves” to communicate with Elvis who is piloting a UFO near by. As it stands, these loons are using their powers and influence to lead multitudes to future destruction or subjugation.

In other words, the DUMB (ruling elites) are leading the DUMBER (the masses) who may understand the reality, but remain powerless to do anything about it.

We can't they (the informed masses at least) do something about this sad state of affairs?

Posted by: witness at March 1, 2008 9:30 AM

"At this point, shying away from the debate is intentionally deceptive and consequently aids the jihad. Disgusting. Shameful."

Posted by: heroyalwhyness at March 1, 2008 8:31 AM

Please be aware that "participating in the debate" is coded language.
It's code for demonizing Geert Wilders and fighting him tooth and nail.
Take it from me that there's plenty of participating going on on Dutch TV.
Tax payer funded, of course.

Posted by: Kim Hartveld at March 1, 2008 9:50 AM

This is good news, I guess, but it will not covince the great mass of unwashed, pseudo-intellectual atheists who insist the Bible is just as violent as the Quran.

In response to my posting of several recent incidents of arrests and investigations on another forum, a fellow replied with the example of Andrea Yates.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrea_Yates

They even have the bluster to compare the efforts of creationists to change science teaching with jihad.

They will never be convinced. They use vcauous arguments and then suggest that we are racists.

Posted by: Pelayo at March 1, 2008 10:22 AM

"After extensive research, linking Bible quotations with real political events and acts of violence however produced an insufficient basis for a thorough journalistic production."

Yes, it's difficult to equate Christian and Moslem violence when the latter kills more on a typical day than the former does in a year.
Also, I wonder if Amsterdam city councilman Mr. van der Vlis gave them the same kind of intimidation he gave Wilders.

Posted by: ebonystone at March 1, 2008 11:20 AM

"Funny thing is, the KRO broadcasting company is a government funded CATHOLIC TV station!"

If that is true then it seems like a semi-attempt at proving contrast between the real-life impact of the two books.

This is begging for a shocking expose on the kind of things Christians are doing today because their faith so demands.(feeding homeless, building homes, volunteering for disaster relief, giving their money to whomever needs it regardless of race, religion, etc.)

Perhaps a website called TheReligionofInfidels would contrast TROP with daily acts of benevolence around the world...

-XRDC

Posted by: XRDC at March 1, 2008 11:26 AM

What the Dutch are trying to do here is a hateful attack on Islam. They are denying Islam it's identity.

Why is it considered acceptable, in an enlightened society, to claim that Islam is no different than any other religion? We should be able to admit that differences exist. More than that, we should not only tolerate the differences but embrace them.

Anybody who slanders Islam by claiming that it is just a pale copy of other religions, or that jihad is not a requirement of all muslims, or that Islam does not establish a political system of government, should be shouted down as the provincial bigots they are.

Posted by: Menetheos at March 1, 2008 11:42 AM

What's interesting is that they decided not to do a film about how their hypothesis was wrong. Their research came up with the 'wrong' findings so instead of reporting on those findings with a powerful statement that Islam is unique among the Abrahamic faiths in its contemporary violence towards non-believers, they kill the project. Of course they issue a press release to cover their asses with the left, as though they are saying, "hey, we tried to whitewash the Quran but failed".

Posted by: Johan Amedeus Metesky at March 1, 2008 1:00 PM

Outstanding! It's a wrap folks, our work here is done.
If only it were so. This is practically mathematical proof of what we already know is true, but with the press, you can lead them to water, but they will only drink on their own time.

Posted by: Max Publius at March 1, 2008 2:00 PM

The US has been insulated from the The differences between Faiths for far too long. Too many filters clogged with excessive BS floating in the Airways. A giant Carbon Footprint for scraps of information.

Multiculturalism can only support itself by intentional ignorance to the degree of diversity one is expected to embrace. A Matrix of wishful thinking where Islam is the Virus eating it from the inside.

Looks like a firewall has been breached.

Posted by: flowerknife_us at March 1, 2008 3:04 PM

After extensive research, linking Bible quotations with real political events and acts of violence however produced an insufficient basis for a thorough journalistic production.

After decades of being told that Christians are so much more dangerous than Muslims, the above sentence seems worthy of a earth-shattering, mind-blowing expose. Give us a one-hour show on that topic you stupid *#@&$'s.

Posted by: special_guest at March 1, 2008 3:16 PM

In his short film Fitna, intended to be shown in March

When they start changing the year, I'm really going to get impatient.

Posted by: special_guest at March 1, 2008 3:20 PM

Ferdy,

"Funny thing is, the KRO broadcasting company is a government funded CATHOLIC TV station!"

Not strange at all: the hearts and minds of millions of Christians throughout the West, including Catholics, are thoroughly besotted with Politically Correct Multi-Culturalism, one of whose key axioms involves a morbidly excessive self-criticism (and by that is not meant the comparatively healthier cognitio peccati of old, but rather a strangely perverse and incoherent self-abasement based upon superbia).

Posted by: cantor at March 1, 2008 4:02 PM

The Violent Bible. ?

Many Bible students regard the OT accounts commanding warfare, and the genocide of the Cananites, Philistines, etc, as *one off*, 'in situ' commands, to kill the occupiers of the land, *at that time* when the children of Israel came in, to possess the land.

These OT commands were not open-ended commands [such as the many 'kill the un-believers' instruction from the Koran and Hadith].

e.g.
"Allah 's Apostle said," I have been ordered to fight with the people till they say, 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah,'...."
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/052.sbt.html#004.052.196

In fact many OT verses instructed the Hebrews NOT to oppress *strangers*, not to take away their rights under law [as is *mandated* in ISLAM, towards non-muslims in Sharia jurisdictions].

e.g.
Deuteronomy 1:16
And I charged your judges at that time, saying, Hear the causes between your brethren, and judge righteously between every man and his brother, *and the stranger* that is with him.

Jeremiah 22:3
Thus saith the LORD; Execute ye judgment and righteousness, and deliver the spoiled out of the hand of the oppressor: and do no wrong, *do no violence to the stranger*, the fatherless, nor the widow, neither shed innocent blood in this place.

ISLAM......a false religion, for a false people.

Posted by: Ezekiel2012 at March 1, 2008 5:36 PM

What about Elisha and the she-bears?

Shortage of she-bears?

Seriously, the trouble with Islam is.........wait, someone used that title.

Posted by: tanstaafl at March 1, 2008 5:37 PM

Unlike commands in the Bible, towards strangers [unbelievers], Sharia mandates unequal justice, in the treatment of non-muslims in all Sharia jurisdictions.

Sharia takes away the rights of non-muslims under Sharia law, as is *mandated* in ISLAM, towards non-muslims in Sharia jurisdictions.

......"The legal regulations of Diya (Blood-money) and the (ransom for) releasing of the captives,
and the judgment that no Muslim should be killed in Qisas (equality in punishment) for killing a Kafir (disbeliever)."
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/083.sbt.html#009.083.050

"What is written in this paper?"......
".......the judgment that no Muslim should be killed for killing an infidel."
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/052.sbt.html#004.052.283

ISLAM......a false religion, for a false people.

Posted by: Ezekiel2012 at March 1, 2008 5:41 PM

The idiots at KRO should make this film and release it.

Let's see how long the filmakers remains free before having to go into hiding from Jewish and Christian extremists.

The fools obviously realised that they would remain free and Wilders would still be in hiding and that this would prove the point of every anti-islamist, admirably.

Islamists and indeed muslims have a problem and therefore ARE the problem.

Posted by: Stephen Gash SIOE England at March 1, 2008 8:03 PM

To shed a little more light on what many consider the most offensive actions of the O.T.

The story starts a good 400 years earlier when the Jews first went to Egypt. God told them they would return to the land only after the iniquity of the Amorites was full. These people had given themselves over to ever base sin and life style know. When after 400 years, the Jew came into the land the instructions were to kill every last one of them. This was for two reasons, if allowed to live they would corrupt the Jews and lower their moral and religious values and also they would kill off through disease most if not all the Jews. Kind of like what happened to the American Indians when Europeans came to this country. Not saying anything about the Indians or Europeans just the disease tolerance or lack there of.

So, like it or not there was a very good reason for what many all to often jump to conclusions about the vengeful God of the O.T. If you want the verses they are Gen 15:16 Joshua 1:11 Joshua 2:9-10 Joshua 6:17-18. These are just the beginning of the taking of the land. The book of Joshua is the story of occupying the land.

Thanks for reading the Bible study. 8^) Any questions (tongue in cheek). Oh, and BTW this is the land the Muslims seem think is theirs, coensidence?

Posted by: Im.mad.as.HELL! at March 2, 2008 1:25 AM

Now try Buddism. Budda and Jesus did not wage war, take war booty, kill and torture nonbelievers.

Posted by: Ruebacca at March 2, 2008 1:03 PM

Islam's apologists and other liars fail to make an essential distinction between Biblical passages containing violence and those found in Qur'an and Sunnah.

The Bible records the violence of individuals and nations against others, the violence to be carried out for violations of the Mosaic Law (applicable only to the people of Israel), the violence that will be carried out by Christ and His angels on Judgment Day, and the one-time, not-genocidal command to Israel to destroy all life remaining in the Canaanite towns which had been warned (over years) to evacuate but refused. (The same choice -- abandon the city or die -- was given to Israel centuries later when judgment was carried out against it).

The violent passages in the Islamic "holy" texts consist mainly of Allah and Mohammed commanding and practicing rape, slavery, and murder against non-Muslims and apostates who refuse to submit to Allah.

Posted by: Amillennialist at March 3, 2008 6:33 PM

Im.mad.as.hell, you might want to look a little more closely at the command given to Israel.

Posted by: Amillennialist at March 3, 2008 6:58 PM