PC says you must not equate Islam and terrorism. Why?

If it walks like a duck, talks like a duck and launches attacks against Jewish seminarians, it's a jihad.

Posted by: tanstaafl at March 6, 2008 3:02 PM

Time to take the gloves off.

Posted by: Infidel at March 6, 2008 3:03 PM

Thank you Olmert and Condhimmi Rice

Posted by: Elric66 at March 6, 2008 3:07 PM

Can you IMAGINE the worldwide outrage if three random Israelis stormed a Philistine school? We'd be hearing about it and seeing the ghastly images for months and months and months.

Meanwhile, this act of barbarism, likely performed by members of the Philistine government (or it's "military wing"), is merely par for the course. It's perfectly acceptable and unremarkable, because they're poor widdle victims, don'tchaknow.

Makes me wanna puke.

Posted by: Professor PyroSkank at March 6, 2008 3:08 PM

Hey, it *could* be the Judean People's Front! Or the People's Front of Judea! You never know when those right-wing Israeli groups or even one of the countless Christian terrorist groups could strike!

/sarcasm

My prayers go out to the families of the victims. This is senseless.

Posted by: V.I.N.C.E.N.T. at March 6, 2008 3:11 PM

I've been watching CNN and they showed a clip of celebratory gunfire in Gaza. It is disgusting to hear what sounds like hundreds of guns going off because they were able to kill some unarmed civilians. I have never heard of Israelis celebrating over the deaths of innocent people. The IDF should renew its Gaza offensive at daylight.

Posted by: npabga at March 6, 2008 3:15 PM

Let's see, the attack was at a Jewish seminary school.

So no, it can't be that this is not a conflict over the creation of a two-state solution, but a religious conflict, and therefore one that can never end because of Islam's open-ended command for warfare against the unbelievers.

Posted by: npabga at March 6, 2008 3:19 PM

"In Gaza City, residents went out into the streets and fired rifles in celebration in the air after hearing news of the attack on the seminary."

The same poor defenseless Gazans we keep hearing about? That Olmert is still in power is a crime. Shame on you Israel.

Posted by: Elric66 at March 6, 2008 3:21 PM

When will the "misunderstanding" of Islam stop?!!

Posted by: champ at March 6, 2008 3:31 PM

Now that the three sided front against Israel is in place, now that the world has relentlessly sapped Israel's confidence in itself, now that the 'peace process' has reached its last demented pretense. Now that Israel's 1 in 5 Arab population is organizing into a vicious and traitorous Fifth Column

Now that Iran has unified the whole into one genocidal machine armed with tens of thousands of rockets, sophisticated weapons and both Syria, Lebanon under their thumb.

Its time for Israel to die. The terror is coming wave upon wave. And the West will watch and cluck their tongues.

Posted by: poetcomic1 at March 6, 2008 3:53 PM

Well if Israel is stupid enough to continue the status quo they'll have to get used to this every once in a while at the very minimum. They'll have to get used to rockets being fired over their skies. They'll have to get used to sniper fire on the way home. They let these groups arm, they let Arabs immigrate into Israel, they even have Arab MKs' who are blatently anti Israel. They ethnically cleansed Gush Katif of Jews, stopped controlling the Rafah crossing to have the animals cut off. They ignored, and continue to ignore Hizballah in the North. They don't hold Syria and Iran responsible for their proxy attacks. They aren't really doing a thing.

Israel won't do what is necessary to protect their countries citizens. They continue seeking peace with animals. A majority of animals. They are getting what is guaranteed with their policies.

Israel thinks it can play PC rules like the rest of the west? They're playing fantasy like they're in Europe when in reality they're surrounded by hostile Arab Mohammadans.

Wake up or stop the whining.

Posted by: Sneakyzionistcrusader at March 6, 2008 4:02 PM

Something poetcomic1 said that reminded me of this article I just read:

Arab 'Third Intifada' Underway?
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/125450

...Israeli security sources say that the riots are not a spontaneous outpouring of rage over the events in Gaza, as they are often portrayed. Rather, the sources say, the unrest is organized and incited by those elements interested in "heating up" the Jerusalem, Judea and Samaria regions. Those behind the incitement are attempting to spark what some sources say may be a "third Intifada."...

Look out!

Posted by: npabga at March 6, 2008 4:04 PM

Hmmm....the MSM took out the part where the Palis celebrated the murders. Cant have the Palis looking like savages, can we?

Posted by: Elric66 at March 6, 2008 4:07 PM

It is absurd for Abbas to be allowed to feign indignation over Israel's attempts to stop rockets reigning down on its cities, and to call a halt to negotiations. It is even more absurd for the Israelis themselves to be seen urging him to continue, or at least acquiescing in Rice's attempts to urge him. For god's sake, it is Israel that should cut off the negotiations, period, never to resume them -- and the "never" can be represented to the world not as a "never" but as something else: after there has been a complete halt, for one year, on ALL terrorist attacks on Israel, whether from rockets fired indiscriminately into cities, or attacks on civilians such as this one, by individual or groups of Arab attackers. Since there never will be such a year, the negotiations, and the idiotic peace-processing that only those heedless of Islam could conceivably put any stock in, would stop. And they must stop. For all such negotiations, and all such agreements or accords or even "treaties" that result, will as always be scrupulously observed by Israel, which will always and everywhere be asked to give up tangible assets, necessary for its security and the possession of which are fully justified by appeals to law, morality, and history (but don't expect the olmerts and ramons and livnis to know about any of that), in exchange for promises which will not, cannot possibly be, observed by the Muslim Arabs with whom they make these agreements. The basis of Arab treaty-making with Infidels or Infidel nation-states is, and always has been, the treaty of Al-Hudaibiyya signed by Muhammad with the Meccans in 628 A.D. After 18 months, on a pretext, Muhammad attacked them. And according to Muslims he was right to attack them, for his goal justified any and all means: the goal to spread Islam, and to make Islam dominate. There is no other goal. It is the only goal that counts. The Western notion, that Western governments including those of the United States and Israel, fondly assume are universally shared, that Pacta Sunt Servanda -- Treaties Are To Be Obeyed -- has nothing to do with the Islamic Law of War and Peace.

You don't believe me? Read any of the authoritative commentators and scholars. Start with Majid Khadduri's Law of War and Peace in Islam. Go from there. And for god's sake, learn to take seriously, and not to dismiss as if it were all just one incredible joke, what Muslims actually believe, what they are taught to believe, and have been taught to believe, for more than a millennium. There are two separate tasks: finding out about Islam, its texts and tenets and the attitudes that naturally arise in states and societies suffused with Islam, and then, taking those texts, those tenets, those attitudes (not to be confused with the charmers among the Arab diplomats and other representatives, well-versed in double-talk, taqiyya and kitman, and running circles around the naive, easily deceived Infidels of every stripe and kind) seriously.

Is that too much to ask? Just to find out what Islam is all about? And then, having found out, taking it all seriously, and not in the spirit that Richard Feynman captured in the title of one of his book "Surely You're Joking, Mr. Feynman."

No. "Surely You're Joking, All You Muslims" just will not do. It never did. But it certainly won't do now.

Posted by: Hugh at March 6, 2008 4:07 PM

This is the rotten fruit born by the infamous Oslo process. Meanwhile, almost every second town square, street, school and public institution in Israel has been renamed in honor of Yitzhak Rabin, the man who brought upon Israel this tragedy.

Posted by: US_infidel at March 6, 2008 4:11 PM

How much longer will Israelis tolerate Olmert? 1000's of Palis danced and celebrated this in Gaza. What other nation would tolerate this barbarism?

Posted by: Elric66 at March 6, 2008 4:13 PM

Just wait until Israel finds out who is responsible and figures out where they are based out of [which do quickly is amazing consistency].

Is that Apaches I hear coming over the horizon?...

Posted by: SoteriA at March 6, 2008 4:32 PM

"It is even more absurd for the Israelis themselves to be seen urging him to continue, or at least acquiescing in Rice's attempts to urge him."

It's the latter and not the former. Israel is far less to blame for signs of appeasement than is the USA, from Carter (if not further back) through to Bush leaning with its great influence on Israel and imposing limitations on its national policy as the price to pay for American support.

To those who balk at Israeli politicians, the question is clear: what would you have them do, with America imposing that price on them? The only way Israelis could behave rationally, as we at JW see it, would be to cut off ties to the USA altogether and go their own way. That would be, in a world increasingly anti-Israel and anti-Semitic, even worse than what they are doing now.

Posted by: cantor at March 6, 2008 4:32 PM

1000's of Palis danced and celebrated this in Gaza.

Target rich environment for the IAF.

Dear Israel, you are at war. . .please act accordingly.

The response here should be the leveling of a city in Gaza without warning. Then mention to Condi and Abbas, that a similar response will follow ANY attacks on Israel. In the meantime, cut off ALL electricity, water, funds and crossings into Gaza or the west bank.

Only when the attacks stop, should you discuss unconditional surrender.

And when the U(seless) Nations spouts it's disproportionate response BS, tell em to F$@k Off.

Anything less is a slow walk to destruction.

Posted by: walterc at March 6, 2008 4:36 PM

Anyone else catch the fact that this time, a campus shooting was stopped by "a student"???? Imagine that. Self-defense. And the schools in Israel are like the wild wild west, right? With lots of shootings for no reason?

Posted by: V.I.N.C.E.N.T. at March 6, 2008 4:40 PM

{More 'sacrifices for peace'. Ehud Olmert: "We will pursue peace with our enemies to the last Jew!"}

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/961705.html

Peace talks will go on

By Reuters

Tags: Palestinians, terrorism

Israel said Thursday it would continue with U.S.-backed peace talks with the Palestinians despite a terrorist attack at a Jerusalem yeshiva that killed eight people.

"These terrorists are trying to destroy the chances of peace but we certainly will continue the peace talks," Foreign Ministry spokesman Arye Mekel said.....

Posted by: monk at March 6, 2008 4:40 PM

Just in.

At this moment, it has not been determined or announced who carried out this mass murder of unarmed students.

Theoretically, it could have been Jews, Christians, Buddhists, Hindus, or atheists. Or Muslims. If the dissimulators and apologists are right, and if all religions are equally violent, then it is a matter of equally-distributed probability that it was any one of those religions.

I am not a betting person, but I am willing to bet large sums that it was one particular religion. In fact, lump all the other religions in the world together, I don't care. I'll give even odds.

The dissimulators and apologists are free to make whatever ridiculous claims they want, about how Christian terrorists are more common than Islamic terrorists, etc. But are they willing to put their money where their mouths are? I bet I know the answer to that, too.

Posted by: special_guest at March 6, 2008 4:43 PM

Anyone else catch the fact that this time, a campus shooting was stopped by "a student"???? Imagine that. Self-defense. posted by VINCENT

And thank God for that! Guy should get a medal.

Posted by: gymgal at March 6, 2008 4:44 PM

Cantor, you wrote: "The only way Israelis could behave rationally, as we at JW see it, would be to cut off ties to the USA altogether and go their own way. That would be, in a world increasingly anti-Israel and anti-Semitic, even worse than what they are doing now."

I respectfully disagree. Israel survived for close to a decade in the midst of a punitive American arms embargo -- Truman initiated the embargo -- and a hostile U.S. administration, the Eisenhower Administration. Israel needs to wean herself from American aid and dependency. This would both be good for Israel and good for America.

Posted by: monk at March 6, 2008 4:46 PM

"In Jebaliya, about 7,000 Gazans of different factions marched in the streets, firing in the air in celebration..."

These people, sorry, barbarians, keep sinking to new lows. They've also been known to hand out candy when things like this happen too.

They really don't deserve any sympathy especially because all of their problems are self-inflicted and they celebrate when Israelis are murdered. Even when you try to help them they put the money towards terrorism and not building civil society.

Clearly morals and ethics flew out of the window a long time ago with these barbarians. I don't think they had many to begin with.

Posted by: S Perry at March 6, 2008 4:48 PM

Clearly morals and ethics flew out of the window a long time ago with these barbarians. I don't think they had many to begin with.

We don't have a lot to brag about on the morals score. We continue to fund these barbarians. We still think we can choose between full-speed and slow-speed killing, all to appease the Saudis.

We shall be judged by the company we keep.

Posted by: PMK at March 6, 2008 4:57 PM

Anyone else catch the fact that this time, a campus shooting was stopped by "a student"???? Imagine that. Self-defense. posted by VINCENT

Must not have been a gun free zone like we have in American schools. Students and faculty actually able to defend themselves rather than hope the police show up before the guy runs out of ammo or victims.

Posted by: walterc at March 6, 2008 4:57 PM

Special guest: I am not a betting person, but I am willing to bet large sums that it was one particular religion.

Yep, Episcopalians again, a troublesome bunch...

I just read 10 killed about twenty wounded, over 600 bullets fired. Killed by an armed student.

Hamas gave the shooter a big round of applause, and the people are dancing in the streets, and passing out candy as usual.
A wonder society, a wonderful religion, I don't understand why none of these apologists that keep showing up here, don't do the Shahada tango, and buy a ticket to Gaza, where they to can live the good life with Allah and the folks...

Posted by: duh_swami at March 6, 2008 5:01 PM

Note that the usual NGOs have been lamenting the fact that "conditions in Gaza are worse than at any time since 1967." Think about that. What that means is that the conditions in Gaza were terrible under Egyptian rule, and then, once the Israelis took over in 1967, steadily improved as long as Israel was in control, and then, now that Israel has been entirely out of Gaza (so much for this "occupation" the local Arabs in Gaza keep screaming about -- they mean, of course, Israel itself is occupied by Jews, and that simply, to them, isn't right)--conditions have again, under Arab rule, slowly degenerated until conditions of life now approach, despite Israel turning over intact much-improved infrastructure, and those greenhouses that were promptly looted and destroyed by the "Palestinians," and the billions in aid money received from Infidels (strangely, nothing appears to come from fellow members of the Umma), what they were the last time Arabs were in control.

And yet these British NGOs dare to suggest that this is Israel's fault? What nonsense people are allowed to get away with, if no one calls them to account.

Look. Israel right now is facing an enemy that wanted, that wants, that will always want, to destroy it. Right now 7,000 Arabs in Gaza are howlling with delight in one demonstration alone, delight at the massacre of young religious students who were busy studying the torah. They did not die in a raid gone wrong, where every attempt had been made to prevent civilian casualties. Not at all. The site was delibeately chosen. They were students, studying. They were in the act of prayerful study when they were deliberately murdered. And now the guns are shooting into the air, the ululations of pleasure must be going from one end of Gaza to the next, and the Israelis are expected to not merely hold back, but also to supply electricity, food, medicine to these howlers?

Cut off every kind of goods and services that go from Israel to the Arabs of Gaza. And not temporarily, until those Arabs of Gaza begin to behave in a manner less reminiscent of a Nazi rally, a little more disorganized, no doubt -- no hint of Teutonic efficiency -- but with the same kind of open display of hysterical hate. Make that cut-off permanent. Anyone -- including those appalling reporters for the major news outlets -- who is unable to recognize, and describe properly, what has been demonstrated, not for the first time (remember those crowds in Gaza and the "West Bank" celebrating joyously on news of the 9/11 attacks), but that has to be taken in, has to be understood, is no longer fit to report on what was and is and will remain, a Lesser Jihad that is being conducted against Israel. Nor is such a person, indeed, fit to report on anything else.

Posted by: Hugh at March 6, 2008 5:10 PM

Prayers for the murdered and wounded.

Is this a lexicon change?
"Severe Terror"?

So, there will be; "moderate terror," "moderate deaths," Global War On Centrists (GWOC)," and "moderate Islamic extremeists"? *Nevermind the latter...they're already here.

WTF?
The time to take the gloves off has past: It was 1000 a.m. September 11, 2001 period.

Posted by: Nuggler at March 6, 2008 5:36 PM

Hugh wrote: "Cut off every kind of aid that goes from Israel to Egypt. Not temporarily, until the Arabs of Gaza begin to behave...but with the same kind of open display of hysterical hate.>>>>

Little doubt you are aware, in ancient times -- even during the times of King David and later kings -- when an enemy city was under siege, it was literally starved into surrender.

Often, prior to a surrender, parents cannibalized their own children. Today, "civilized" nations do not lay siege to enemy cities. We must not inconvenience an enemy city no matter how savage the enemy city; though the Allies did fire bomb German cities; Allies inconvenienced the citizens of Germany during the second world war.

Just as Palestinians voted for and support Hamas, so most Germans voted for and supported the Nazi party. In Adolf Hitler, Germans saw the country's savior, even into the very last months of the war, according to William Shirer, as German cities lay in ruins.

One day I suspect much of the west -- perhaps America itself -- will be visited with the kind of savagery our enemies long to dispense.

Were the roles reversed, these Palestinian Arabs would have no qualms visiting the most brutal kinds of inhumanity on the Jews of Israel.

Posted by: monk at March 6, 2008 5:52 PM

Hugh said

Cut off every kind of aid that goes from Israel to Egypt. Not temporarily, until the Arabs of Gaza begin to behave in a manner less reminiscent of a Nazi rally

Make it permanent. Make it irrevocable. Don't just turn off the power; rip out the powerlines, remove the substations, leave nothing but sand. And a solid wall. Make it clear that this is not a continuation of the carrot-and-stick approach, where it will be turned on again if they agree to discuss a timetable for talks to decide when to hold talks on the failed Peace Process.

The game should be over. The game should have been over decades ago.

Posted by: special_guest at March 6, 2008 6:00 PM

..sorry to correct you RObert, but the headline

"Severe terrorist attack" kills seven outside Jewish seminary in Jerusalem"

is misleading

apparently the attack was in the library, inside the school

Posted by: ploome at March 6, 2008 6:00 PM

No doubt that bush & rice will use the occasion of this tragedy to push Israel to make a new round of concessions to the palestinians in the interests of achieving a lasing peace. so predictable. and so sad.

Posted by: sheik yer booty at March 6, 2008 6:38 PM

Hugh eloquently writes about this ongoing, dreadful, fantasy-led betrayal of Israel, both by lunatic, suicidal Israeli leaders and of course, the EU and the USA.

I think Hugh - and he makes a brilliant, on-the-money analysis - avoids saying what needs to be said and I'm going to say it just like I have said many times, here and elsewhere:

This is a phoney, fabrcated war against Israel. The goal is the genocide of the jews and the total destruction of Israel. So, after years of catastrophic appeasement, let's face a painful fact: Israel now has 2 options:

1. Continue to appease, to obey one-sided blatantly unfair and unreasonable peace treaties, treaties completely ignored by its enemies and therefore sends Israel further along the road to self-destruction or

2. Realises it is not just in a war, but that is being forced into a desperate struggle for its own survival and so it has to make a resolution: To kick out by whatever means necessary every single muslim in its territory. To fight using all of its might, all of its sophisticated weaponry and deliver hell to the very people who are asking for it. Yes, even deserve it.

Because the painful truth is this: If they don't do it to the muslims the muslims will do it to them. Muslims who will share out the candy, fire their widow-makers, execute their own people on the streets and scream "Allah Akhbar" merrily as they go in wild delight at the demise of "little satan".

The time for talk is over land of Israel. Choose genocide or survival for your people. You delay at your own cost.

Clock's ticking.

Posted by: Britannia's Lion at March 6, 2008 6:43 PM

a muslim pal murders 8 and wounds dozens at a seminary in Israel.........

muslim pals strike Israel with hundreds of rockets...........

how many more Israelis will be murdered by the muslims before the IDF stops the slaughter of its Israeli citizens???

Posted by: ??? at March 6, 2008 6:59 PM

Death ratio 40 Palestinians to every 1 Israeli. This is the reality. These are the facts. Research for yourself, how many of you have family ties in the region or have lived in the region you all talk about with such hateful comments about Palestinians and Muslims. What if it was your family, your home, your religion, how would you feel. Really, stop and think about it, please.

I invite you to travel with me as I go back every year to the U.A.E. and or Iran to visit me and my wifes friends and family. I know with absolute certainty you will feel the opposite of how you do now about Muslims once you meet my family and friends, and experience the warmth and hospitality of back home. If that's too much for you I invite you to my mosque and my house to meet a Muslim family, my family, and spend time with Muslims in America.

I just want to change the view of one of you and soften your heart. This is my struggle, challenge, my jihad.

Posted by: Talib at March 6, 2008 8:46 PM

I invite you to travel with me as I go back every year to the U.A.E. and or Iran....

Will it be okay for me to bring my bible to Iran and the U.A.E.? How about my Rosary? Will I be able to find a church for sunday Mass? I imagine as a Christian I will be greeted with open arms!

Will I be able to travel on the same roads as you? Or so as not to offend local sentiments will I have to take a different road for established non-muslims like in saudi arabia?

Posted by: adobe at March 6, 2008 9:24 PM

To continue adobe's line of questioning:

Can I bring my bottle of Scotch, my porn, my pork sandwiches, and my pet dog? Can my wife make a run up to the store in the car by herself, uncovered, and with an unrelated male? Can I bring my gay friend and his Jewish partner? Can I proselytise to you, your friends, and your family about our Lord Savior, Jesus Christ? Can I bring my small Buddha statue, and the one of Vishnu? Can I spend my time drawing pictures of Mohammad? Can I bring my boom-box to listen to music, loudly, in public, whether it is classical, country, or rap? Can I hand out JW/DW bumperstickers, wear my Mohammad-with-bomb-turban t-shirt, and read from Robert's books on the street corner to passersby?

Are you sure you want us to come, with all our corruption and vices, to your Islamic paradise-on-earth? I think you want us there even less than we want you here, if that is possible.

Posted by: special_guest at March 6, 2008 10:52 PM

Hey Talib,
You and your equivalence argument are out of line.
The issue is right and wrong. Not whether your family is likeable loveable (so are pet animals - and loving too).
You first have to be human.
One can look eagerly to a time when islam as it is presently known and practised is done away with and is just a sad blip in civilization's continuity.
Until then, sod off.

Posted by: dgene at March 6, 2008 11:36 PM

Will it be okay for me to bring my bible to Iran and the U.A.E.? How about my Rosary? Will I be able to find a church for sunday Mass? I imagine as a Christian I will be greeted with open arms!

Will I be able to travel on the same roads as you? Or so as not to offend local sentiments will I have to take a different road for established non-muslims like in saudi arabia?
Posted by: adobe [TypeKey Profile Page] at March 6, 2008 9:24 PM

adobe,
All your questions are a yes, of course, and you seem to be the only one who answered sincerely. Yes, you can bring your bible, and Rosary, and both Dubai and Tehran have beautiful churches. I wish I could show you pictures of the church in Tehran. It is beautiful and alot pray there. The churches in the U.A.E. have many American expats who go there. Abu Dhabi just build a brand new church and has a, I'm not sure what you call it?, the leader, minister is an American too.

Posted by: Talib at March 7, 2008 12:20 AM

Outside this "Zioinist religious" seminary that has produced Taliban-like Jews who are avid Zionists and have no respect for non-Jewish lives, seminary students stood and chanted "death to Arabs." Of course, if a Jewish gunman were to attack Palestinians, and a group of Palestinians chanted "death to Jews," this would be all over Jihadwatch.
America: wake up. it is Zinoists like Robert Spencer who don't give a damn about the U.S. but instead are committed to a "democracy" that grew out of the forced exodus of over 700,000 civilians, that are the biggest threat to Islam, not Islam.

Posted by: Muslim at March 7, 2008 12:27 AM

Those of us in JPFO are all too familiar with the "Gun Free Zone" here in the USA. "Gun Free" means come and do what you will because there will be no defense. Unfortunately, we exported some of that madness because the seminarians were there on Visas and, therefore, couldn't be armed.

That needs to be cured, like yesterday! Now, if they do start introducing the seminarians to practical arms training, there could be a benefit back here in America, such as doing away with Gun Free killing fields.

Posted by: JeromeFromLayton at March 7, 2008 12:39 AM

Moslem lands sure sound like the nearest thing to paradise, don't they? Come visit beautiful and friendly Iran. In Teheran, you will find all the amenities of civilized life.

Here, we welcome one and all: Christian, Jew, Gay, Hindu, Buddhist Baha'i. Bathed in the smiles of the Ayatollahs, we provide comedies as were sanctioned by our adored and adorable Ayatollah Khomeini. Humor was his strong point.

In Iran, you can explore our glorious Zoroastrian past. dress code: optional---all we ask that your women be modest and do what our women do.

Our President, the attractive Ahmadinejad is a magnetic lovable leader. Visit our nuclear research facilities where we are preparing nuclear power advances to be shared with the Zionist entity--the place you call Israel.

There's plenty to do here. Watch bad women try to dodge stones in an age-old game. Watch teenagers hanging by their necks. This is a spectator sport with participants vying to see who can hang the longest.

Islam, in case my friends, you are not aware, is a welcoming, friendly religion of peace. You should meet some friendly, smiling Muslims before you judge all of them on the few that are going against the real Islam . . . etc.

Excuse me while I vomit.

Posted by: unicorns62000 at March 7, 2008 1:04 AM

What's missing from Talib's generous interfaith overture?

Answer: A single, solitary speck of human regret about the cold-blooded murder on topic here. He's dancing and cheering in disguise.

Posted by: alexon at March 7, 2008 1:36 AM

JeromeFromLayton,

In case someone is interested the Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership (JPFO) site is at http://www.jpfo.org/

I belive it is not a simple matter for a Jew to go around armed in Israel, unless he or she is in the IDF.

The Jewish police will take great pains to protect Arab Moslems, especially in Judea and Samaria, while being brutal towards Jewish Israelis, whom the Olmert government wants to draw back into the ever-shrinking Israel proper to please the peace-making Condoleeza Rice and her boss, the dreamer G. W. Bush.

The Gush Katif Jews who were "drawn back" into Israel proper--to give more free running room and opportunities for such hobbies as experimental rocketry to the occupying Arab Moslems--were sacrificed for the sake of "Peace" a deity much worshipped by the Bush bunch (for Israel that is) as well as the EU and of course the Islamic world.

Here in the U.S., it would be much easier to control the populace and force it to accept its Moslem neighbors and Moslem immigrants were it not for that pesky 2nd Amendment that keeps the government fom turning us into docile accepting dhimmis as is the case in EU countries and a short distance across the water from there as well as in our neighbors to the North and South.

Israel should have open season on Arab jihadists. Instead it coddles its Arab citizens--what a joke! Arab Israelis! Moslem Israelis!

Of course in the "territories" Judea, Samaria, and Gaza there are plenty of weapons. U.S.-furnished weapons for the Arabs to "keep the peace."

Kahane said "For every Jew a 22," if I recall his words correctly. A 45 to keep you alive is better, but I was told that the reason for the 22 was that ballistics cannot identify a fragmented bullet of that caliber.

The gun control forces here in the US will not give up until we also become a nation of castrated sheep (the males castrated at least). With a Democratic administration threatening, the example of control as is used in more socialistic societies looks probable here, and of course an unarmed citizenry is necessary for that. Even the Nazis in Germany and annexed territories did not allow the population to have weapons. National-"Socialists"--get it?

If the police here in the U.S. were to to be allowed to circumvent the 4th Amendment in a drive to search homes and seize all firearms, there is a vast illegal market in these weapons that can be tapped.

Anyhow, enough about that. By the way, you don't have to be Jewish to go the website or to join the JPFO. There are plenty of non-Jews who belong as the organization fills a void in the pro-armed Citizens movement.

Back to Jerusalem, last I heard, it was an IDF officer who took out one of the perpetrators that committed the Jewish seminary massacre.

A long time ago, Kahane said, "They must go!" meaning the Arabs (Moslems) in Israel. He was much maligned by the peacenik majority of Israelis and his followers were branded as a terrorist organization by the U.S. government.

I know, I know there are many friendly, lovable Arabs in Israel, There are also many friendly, though not lovable to the nations of the rest of the world, Jews. Israel is the only Jewish state in the world. The umma of the Moslems, the Arabs, consists of many nations, huge territories, where these friendly, lovable "Palestinian" Arabs would not have to chafe under a Jewish government.

"Arabs out of Israel!" though I've always liked the slogan, is beginning to sound better and better all the time.

Posted by: unicorns62000 at March 7, 2008 2:20 AM

any musulman who extends his paw in feigned gesture of interfaith understanding, shall have it chopped off--figuratively on this or any other internet venue. when it no longer is via the internet, but in person . . . the same words will apply--up to the double hyphen.

Posted by: unicorns62000 at March 7, 2008 5:05 AM

Talib:

Why don't you practice what you preach and go and visit Jewish families in Sderot and see how humane they are. See how much more welcoming jewish people would be to you than your people are to jews. Or any other non-muslim people.

Muslim:

Absolutely correct, the forced exodus of 700,000 people did happen - but remind me: Who told the arabs to leave Israel and that they could return "once the jews have been driven into the sea"?

And let's not forget the forced exodus of around 500,000 jewish people who fled the surrounding arab states either and who were assimilated into the only jewish homeland. Arab muslims have - well, you tell me how many muslim states there are?

Apologies to Robert for feeding trolls.

Posted by: Britannia's Lion at March 7, 2008 5:26 AM

S Perry,

""In Jebaliya, about 7,000 Gazans of different factions marched in the streets, firing in the air in celebration..."

These people, sorry, barbarians, keep sinking to new lows. They've also been known to hand out candy when things like this happen too.

They really don't deserve any sympathy especially because all of their problems are self-inflicted and they celebrate when Israelis are murdered. Even when you try to help them they put the money towards terrorism and not building civil society.

Clearly morals and ethics flew out of the window a long time ago with these barbarians. I don't think they had many to begin with."

Not suprising, since it was the same Gazans who celibrated when the USA was attacked on 9/11.

Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at March 7, 2008 5:55 AM

Muslim,

"Outside this "Zioinist religious" seminary that has produced Taliban-like Jews who are avid Zionists and have no respect for non-Jewish lives, seminary students stood and chanted "death to Arabs." Of course, if a Jewish gunman were to attack Palestinians, and a group of Palestinians chanted "death to Jews," this would be all over Jihadwatch.
America: wake up. it is Zinoists like Robert Spencer who don't give a damn about the U.S. but instead are committed to a "democracy" that grew out of the forced exodus of over 700,000 civilians, that are the biggest threat to Islam, not Islam."

Paragraphs like these show the truth why non-Muslims NEED excellent websites such as Jihadwatch.org.

The truth is that this was a religious seminary that was training Jewish men to become Orthodox Jewish rabbis, no more, no less. It was a peaceful setting that was violated by a "Taliban-like" Muslim using a gun.

Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at March 7, 2008 6:02 AM