Sorry they got spanked is more like it

Posted by: Elric66 at March 7, 2008 9:06 AM

Here is the said clash between Dr Sultan and an Egyptian islamist.
It was posted a couple of days ago on MEMRI TV:
http://www.memritv.org/clip/en/1704.htm

Posted by: Ken CleanAirSystem at March 7, 2008 9:14 AM

The crazed Egyptian who appears was quite something, from his first appearance, where he started out quietly, but couldn't keep that just-beneath-the-surface irrationality and even hysteria suppressed for long, ends on a final paean to the Greatness of Islam and of Muslims and of Islamic Civilization, which to hear him tell it (and he was speaking for Muslims everywhere) has been responsible for everything wonderful that has happened in the world since time began.

Just as telling was the moderator, Faisal al-Qassem - "Dr." Qassem to you and to me -- who wears Western dress (a suit, a tie), and appears therefore to the Western viewer as if he might be a rational, Western man (and he too starts out in mild-mannered fashion), and yet soon enough al-Qassem rockets like the space cadet he is into a stratosphere of dreamy unreason, as he hectors the unflappable Wafa Sultan. And she doesn't give an inchy, except in rhetoriical passing, when pressed repeatedly to denounce Israel, and fully aware that her audience would be lost completely if she said what she no doubt really thinks of Israel's struggle to defend itself against Jihad, does offer one small pretend-equivalent condemnation of both the "Palestinians" and the Israelis for the recent fighting. The intelligent Infidel viewer, understanding the difficulty of her circumstances and her intense desire to be heard, to begin to have her message taken in if not exactly heeded, by some in that vast al-Jazeera audience, can certainly understand that one tactical concession to the inflamed sensibilities of her Arab audience.

Then there is the third participant in what, Wafa Sultan soon recognized, was not so much a debate as a set-up, a farce. There she was: in this corner, representing Intelligence, and Truth-Telling, and Bravery, and everything good, was Wafa Sultan, all by herself, and in the opposite corner were the two suited thugs who attempted to hector her, and made themselves look, to any rational observer, ridiculous.

It was a brief Morality Play, on the stage of Al-Jazeera. It had three participants. Two of them were victims of the furor islamicus. And the third was Wafa Sultan. What else need be said?

Posted by: Hugh at March 7, 2008 9:20 AM

Notice "the cartoons caused". In reality it took months and some devious traveling imams with fake cartoons stirring up the ummah globally and coordinating the violence with a few dictators.

Yes, the media is a wholly-owned subsidiary of Ikhwan Newspapers Inc.; not just Al-Jazeera.

Posted by: Beagle at March 7, 2008 9:31 AM

What needs to happen is for this to appear on every European and American TV Channel. This will show them for what they are and the reason the Geert Wilders needs to get his message out.

Their claims to be the projenitors of all civilisation is a direct insult to the west; all they export is misinformation, a perverted ripped off pre-medieval ideology, misery, suicide bombings and overpriced oil.

It also shows just how triumphalist & crazy the dumb shits are. I have nothing but contempt for them & absolute admiration for Wafa Sultan.

On a more worrying note, the two interculators were supposed to be inteligent. If this is really the level of debate on Al Jazeera then there is very little hope for any dialogue with these feaces. Perhaps they were the epitomy of "moderate muslim opinion" that we are always hearing about.

Posted by: ericthekuffar at March 7, 2008 9:35 AM

Dr. Sultan is purportedly writing a book about Islam called "When God is a Monster."

Is that a great title, or what?! Yep, that's "Allah," a frickin' MONSTER.

Anyone heard anything about this book?

Posted by: darcy at March 7, 2008 9:36 AM

al-Qassem: Is his family in the rocket business making filthy lucre from jihad?

Beagle: The narrative of the khartoons has been lost already. The traveling imams taking those three ringers into the Ummah was deliberate, but such facts are not presented at all, just as the time lag between the original publication and the riots is not mentioned, either. How many actually know of the three ringers created by the imams (which were pictures photocopied many times to make them look khartoonish) which were far worse in context than anything Jyllands-Posten published?

When the media can't even get a current events timeline correct, what good are they? Yeah, I know, rhetorical question.

Posted by: Rick at March 7, 2008 9:39 AM

Here's this usual Mohammedan hysteria if anyone wants to make their usual well-informed and rational comments:

http://www.lsureveille.com/media/storage/paper868/news/2008/03/07/Opinion/Smear.Of.Obama.Reflects.Faults.Of.Society-3257906.shtml

Posted by: darcy at March 7, 2008 9:41 AM

Valid point, ericthekuffar; there should be more of this inane, vitriol exposed through the EU and American media. It, certainly, would not alter the mindset of the leftist apologists but may enlighten those whom have been force-fed a continuous diet of apologist histrionics or, one may prefer BS.
As for Al-Jazeera, there is no surprise in their apologies to Islam – they, not unlike CNN, et al, are gutless propagators and a front for those bent on our end.

Posted by: ballzack at March 7, 2008 10:09 AM

I watched the MEMRI video yesterday and just wanted to reach out and 'touch' the Islamist males posing there as men and intellectuals.

To balance the aggravation stirred by those two morons, I believe a chuckle is in order.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=0RdG3vsLM-Q

Happy Friday to you all.

Posted by: undaunted at March 7, 2008 10:17 AM

Wafa Sultan is one tough cookie. I wish I were half as brave as she.

Posted by: PersonOfTheBook at March 7, 2008 10:30 AM

How does Wafa Sultan's condemnation of both Israelis and Palestinians, "that one tactical concession to the inflamed sensibilities of her Arab audience", help anyone?

All Arabs will give credence to is her apparent condemnation of Israel. Everything else fell on deaf ears. How is Sultan any different from the many Muslim apologists and frightened politicians in the West? They can't tell the truth without throwing a bone to the Muslim audience? Why does Israel deserve to be the bone?

Posted by: PMK at March 7, 2008 10:45 AM

Do you know what really got me angry? The way this hysterical, hate-filled blowhard not only tried to make the case for the jewish holocaust being a lie, he also referred to "Palestine" and Iraq as holocausts.

This is absolutely dispicable. A holocaust in "Palestine"? Huh? Is this the same cesspit where Hamas drag THEIR OWN people out of homes and execute them in front of their families? The same sewer that harbours the terrorist rats of Hamas who launch rocket attacks at cvivilians and execute students?

And as for Iraq being a holocaust - do remind us what Saddam did to the Shias, the kurds and the shamefully ignored marsh arabs.

Of course, we could mention many more Islamic holocausts. But we'd better not, we don't want the "tolerators of all religions" in the "religion of peace" to be offended.

They might riot and we'll only have ourselves to blame won't we?

Posted by: Britannia's Lion at March 7, 2008 11:02 AM

Other than she kicked their asses, what I noted from the muslim side was the only good they had to say about islam was stuff that happened hundreds of years ago. Even assuming they are correct and islam was the cradle of civilization, what has it done since the dark ages? What has it done in the past 30 years since the Iranian revolution beside bring death and destruction?

You can't argue against modernizing/updating the religion by defending it's past. And a false past at that.

Posted by: walterc at March 7, 2008 11:06 AM

"How does Wafa Sultan's condemnation of both Israelis and Palestinians, "that one tactical concession to the inflamed sensibilities of her Arab audience", help anyone?

All Arabs will give credence to is her apparent condemnation of Israel."
-- from a posting above

Put yourself in Wafa Sultan's place. She has very limited time on this show. She has to try to get through, get beyond, reach out to some imagined audience of those few Muslims who might, just might, begin because of her appearances begin to bethink themselves, begin to think clearly about Islam, and what it has produced in the minds of Muslims. At the same time, she is being hectored by two crazed men, possessed by the furor islamicus. She wants desperately for her voice to be heard, if not yet heeded, by some among those listeners to Al-Jazeera. She wants, wants, wants, Muslims to begin to think. She tries.

And they try, by raising the subject of Israel, to force her to denounce Israel. But she doesn't do it. Instead, she turns the tables on them. She says that Hamas wants martyrs, wants them all to go to Paradise. Very well, then, Israel's actions will help them attain that goal. And she quotes, not once but several times, the line about "kill or be killed" and says, several times, they -- the Arabs of Gaza -- are now getting it. "Kill or be killed." "Kill or be killed."

But she is also keenly aware that it simply is not possible, in the time given, and in the circumstances, to offer a full defense of Israel's actions. So, quite in passing, and I think most reluctantly but also only rhetorically, and out of that moment's necessary calculation (who among us, on that stage, under those klieg lights, subject to those two harassing maniacs, could have thought every last word out, and made sure not to give even the tiniest inch or dunam?) she made some remark, when repeatedly pressed, that yes, both "Palestinians" and Israelis bore some fault.

You claim that that is the only thing her audience of Muslim Arabs will remember. I disagree. I think they will recognize at once how forced and un-meant, was her in-passing remark that seemed to condemn Israel. Roll that tape again, Sam. Look carefully at the whole thing. No one used to Arab rhetoric and expecting something like that could call what Wafa Sultan did a real "condemnation" of Israel.

I have spoken with Wafa Sultan. I know what she thinks about all kinds of things. And I am quick to detect, I have a very good radar-system, in anyone, signs of insufficient sympathy for Israel, or insufficient understanding of its permanent plight. I don't see any signs of either insufficiency in Wafa Sultan.

Posted by: Hugh at March 7, 2008 11:06 AM

I agree, Britannia's Lion.

Word.

Posted by: undaunted at March 7, 2008 11:07 AM

From Al Jazeera:

Please accept my deepest apologies for the offensive remarks made by moderator Al Jazeera's Faisal al-Qassem, and Egyptian Islamist Tal'at Rmeih.

They have drawn strong criticism for their misleading and false remarks about Israel and the West. Hopfully this apology helps to deflect protest throughout the world so as to avoid getting people killed.

Oh and by the way; I have a bridge for sale.

Posted by: Mackie at March 7, 2008 11:12 AM

"Al Jazeera apology for guest remark," from Al-Jazeera:

Al Jazeera has apologised for "offensive" remarks made by a guest during a live debate about the reprinting of cartoons in Denmark said to insult Prophet Muhammad.

What, no "pbuh?"

No, the Western press will take care of that.

Posted by: interestinconundrum at March 7, 2008 11:17 AM

If anyone needs to offer an apology, it would be the two Musselmen on the other side of the "debate".

Go, Wafa, go!

Posted by: tanstaafl at March 7, 2008 11:26 AM

In a statement on Wednesday, Al Jazeera expressed its "deepest apologies"for comments made by Wafa Sultan, a Syrian-born US-based academic, which "offended Islam".
big deal islam is offended by evey thing

Posted by: doglover at March 7, 2008 11:27 AM

I hope this was a boilerplate:

We apologize if anyone was offended by the truth.

type of formality.

Posted by: profitsbeard at March 7, 2008 11:34 AM

I hope this was a boilerplate:

We apologize if anyone was offended by the truth.

type of formality.

Posted by: profitsbeard at March 7, 2008 11:43 AM

I apologize for Typekey doubling my posting.

Posted by: profitsbeard at March 7, 2008 11:46 AM

"...and yet soon enough al-Qassem rockets like the space cadet he is into a stratospher of dreamy unreason"

This is a very funny line, Hugh.

Posted by: Big Luke at March 7, 2008 12:16 PM

Hugh,
Wafa Sultan's sincerity and bravery were never an issue. She was there to debate the Muslim response to the Danish cartoons and allowed herself to be pressed into condemning Israel, if only for a moment.
If her Muslim audience sees that condemnation of Israel as merely tactical and not sincere, then no harm done. I have my doubts.
Her opponents were made to look ridiculous. Let's hope that the Muslims she was trying to reach saw it that way as well. If al Jazeera felt obliged to issue an apology then it doesn't bode well for Sultan's viewpoint. Time will tell.

Posted by: PMK at March 7, 2008 12:23 PM

Here we can all see what we are up against: reason and rationalization do NOT exist within Islam or the Islamic nations (which I refer to as "Islamia" signifying both a disease and a place). Reason and rationalization are outlawed by Islamic doctrine.

As mightily as the extraordinarily bright and articulate Ms. Sultan tries, there is simply no way for her to reach people like that Egyptian Islamist she debated against because Islamic teachings pre-empt any such possibility of interchanges with non-Muslims from the beginning. If you're not Islamic, then you're 100% false, evil, subject to destruction, no Muslim must EVER heed anything you are saying,blah, blah, blah. To sum up the Muhammedan mentality: Islam is always right everyone else is always wrong (so go slaughter them in cold blood!). Another way to put it is that Muslims anoint themselves the winners of any clash through rigged rhetoric, which our Egyptian Islamist here proves while engaging in plenty of it (this creep has actually deluded himself into believing that rigging rhetoric in his favor proves that he --and Islam-- are "great").

Nothing Ms. Sultan or anyone else is going to get through to these people no matter how well they perform at debates--and the Muslims seem to prefer it that way as they can inhabit their fantasy world where killing is good and pleases their deity allah and they always win everything every time (yes, it's beyond pathetic and beneath contempt--but, hey, it's Islam).

I nominate Wafa Sultas, nonetheless, as the honorary leader of the free world! We need more like her!

Posted by: pythagoras at March 7, 2008 1:15 PM

This is hilarious. AL-Jiz invites Wafa Sultan on TV for a debate, then issues an apology for her having a different opinion than the shill of islam.
Heh heh heh.

Posted by: interestinconundrum at March 7, 2008 1:32 PM

I believe that al-Jezeera had to apologize, and Muslims were enraged, because of the following point that Wafa Sultan made:

"The Muslim is an irrational creature ruled by instincts. Those teachings have deprived him of his mind, incited his emotions, and reduced him to the level of an inferior creature that cannot control himself or react to events rationally."

See- "INFERIOR CREATURE" That's not how they've been trained to view themselves; the Muslim is the greatest of all men, and if he can't or won't control himself or react rationally, well that just proves it, right?

Posted by: Lt. Presley O'Bannon at March 7, 2008 1:53 PM

profitsbeard, that was so nice it was well worth reading it twice.. :-)

I'm still laughing..

Posted by: Allah Schmallah at March 7, 2008 4:18 PM

Maybe Al Jazeera should have its new employee, Avi Lewis, interview Hirsi Ali on the subject. That should calm things down...

Posted by: Jan Sobieski at March 7, 2008 5:10 PM

Britannia's Lion, let's also remember the Armenian Holocaust. In fact it was Hitler who has said that since noone cares about a million Armenians then who will cry about the Jews?

Even Hitler was "inspired" by the mahomedans.

I truly believe islam is the manifestation of the Evil One.

The evidence is ever-mounting.

Part of their pact with Satan is the oil-wealth. We even have to extract and ship the oil. All they do is wait for the money to transfer into their accounts.

Ask yourself why is it that of all the Middle east countries Israel has NO oil at all. And yet, they succeed and prosper. Peace and blessings be unto them.

They are living in the heart of darkness shining a bright light unto the rest of the world.

Posted by: Allah Schmallah at March 7, 2008 5:14 PM

I want to echo Hugh and add there were more than three in the program. There were the untold numbers (granted it maybe small) in the Mulsim world that heard it with open ears.

Just like Jesus said, "Those that have ears let them hear. . ." It's important no matter how small it may appear to say and stick to the truth. The tide will turn because the source is not the truth.

Ephesians 6:12
For we are not fighting against people made of flesh and blood, but against the evil rulers and authorities of the unseen world, against those mighty powers of darkness who rule this world, and against wicked spirits in the heavenly realms.

افسس 6:12
لأننا لا نخوض ضد الشعب المصنوعه من اللحم والدم ، بل ضد الشر الحكام والسلطات من عالم الغيب ، ضد تلك القوى الجباره من الظلام الذي حكم هذا العالم ، والشرس ضد الارواح في العوالم السماوية.

Posted by: Im.mad.as.HELL! at March 7, 2008 6:20 PM

Wafa Sultan is the candle in the darkness of dar-el-islam.
Those other guys must be resuscitated cavemen from some scientific experiment gone awry.
My favorite part was when she pointed out Islam's obvious failings in the kinder-gentler categories, at which point the cavemen instantly switched from hate-mode to extolling Islam's tolerance of other faiths and great contributions to humanity, themselves excluded no doubt.

Posted by: jewdog at March 7, 2008 8:29 PM

Wafa Sultan is a star shining in the darkness.
Just wishing that more Muslim women would stand up and follow her instead of staying in total denial , bending to their abusing husband or brother or leader.
Wafa has the courage to speak up and even if she is aware of the danger she keeps going.
Bravo Wafa, WE LOVE YOU

Posted by: Tartine at March 7, 2008 8:45 PM

If you watch closely to the rebuttal to her from the great Islamist Tal'at Rmeih, he appears so infuriated and full of shame, he is fighting back tears. She is that little voice in the back of his head. People don't like to be told that they have wasted their lives.

Posted by: Sentinel at March 7, 2008 10:44 PM

Wafa Sultan is a saint.

I wonder if al-Jazeera's apology is something to do with the new media restrictions imposed by the Arab League (opposed only by Qatar) or just the usual cowering.

Posted by: saint at March 8, 2008 11:34 AM

I particularly enjoyed the irony of the "moderator" using the computer product of an American - and Jewish-led - company.

(That's a Dell Latitude notebook at his left arm.)

But I guess this is another innovation actually delivered by the great Islamic civilization previously referenced.

Posted by: Senator at March 8, 2008 2:46 PM

Al-Jazeera's apology is just damage control done in fear of the 'religion of peace,' and makes them look more bombastic (er, no pun intended) and silly. Ms. Sultan is brave, eloquent, and beautiful.

Posted by: Last is First at March 9, 2008 1:07 AM