On Fox News they have them bakctracking.

"Shortly after Hamas Radio went on the air with the claim of responsibility, sources told FOX News that a few officials within the militant organization were backing away from the boast.

Ibrahim Daher, head of Hamas' al-Aqsa radio, said his station put out an earlier claim of responsibility prematurely."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,335730,00.html

But then they say this

"Abu Obeida, a spokesman for Hamas' military wing, confirmed the group was not taking responsibility for the attack — at least yet."

Yet? That is an admission they did it. Ill never understand their thinking.

Posted by: Elric66 at March 7, 2008 12:19 PM

"Heroic"?

This is just another demonstration, in a long string of actions, that illustrates the stark difference between how we view the universe and how they see things.

Posted by: livefreeordie! at March 7, 2008 12:32 PM

Are the drones aloft yet? Apaches?

Posted by: MP at March 7, 2008 12:32 PM

I hope mossad operatives already looking for the coward meshal this very minute. Probably find him hiding in a nursery school, in the traditional manner of allah's brave warriors.

Posted by: Infidel33 at March 7, 2008 12:34 PM

geese....I wonder now if the U.N. will condemn them for doing this since earlier they said that it was a single act of violence not connected to any group.........

Posted by: mountiangirl at March 7, 2008 12:45 PM

Yesterday, when the news of this tragedy first broke, special_guest wrote:
" Just in.

At this moment, it has not been determined or announced who carried out this mass murder of unarmed students.

Theoretically, it could have been Jews, Christians, Buddhists, Hindus, or atheists. Or Muslims. If the dissimulators and apologists are right, and if all religions are equally violent, then it is a matter of equally-distributed probability that it was any one of those religions.

I am not a betting person, but I am willing to bet large sums that it was one particular religion. In fact, lump all the other religions in the world together, I don't care. I'll give even odds.

The dissimulators and apologists are free to make whatever ridiculous claims they want, about how Christian terrorists are more common than Islamic terrorists, etc. But are they willing to put their money where their mouths are? I bet I know the answer to that, too."

Comment:

I, for one, am not willing to go double or nothing.

Posted by: The Cool Ghoul at March 7, 2008 12:47 PM

The lesson to be learned: never. trust. a. muslim.

One of the killers was a driver for the Yeshiva.

Posted by: Charles Martel at March 7, 2008 12:50 PM

"I hope mossad operatives already looking for the coward meshal this very minute. Probably find him hiding in a nursery school, in the traditional manner of "allah's brave warriors"

There will be no solution to this problem unless they get rid of the occupiers (the parastenians) its not their land anyway.

The Arabs have lots of dosh, let them pay for a Parastenian homeland.

Muslims, are parasites.

Posted by: ericthekuffar at March 7, 2008 1:00 PM

Close all the borders. Shut off the power, gas, whatever. No trade of any kind. Let their "Heroes" take care of their own.

Posted by: Sounder at March 7, 2008 1:02 PM

"Abu Obeida, a spokesman for Hamas' military wing, confirmed the group was not taking responsibility for the attack — at least yet."

I think this might mean that there could possibly be a Hamas terrorist out there still waiting to attack.

Posted by: kyros at March 7, 2008 1:13 PM

I called in on our central Florida talk radio station this morning, WSKY, 97.3 FM http://www.thesky973.com/ since the host began this morning's program with these atrocities.

I had two points to make. First this sham of a "peace" process, I believe is in large part responsible for emboldening the jihadists. These negotiations are rightly viewed by these killers as weakness and appeasement.

The second point is that this battle is not about land or a Palestinian state per se. This is a religious battle that is part and parcel of the world-wide jihad. Palestinian Muslim terror is more localized than that of Al Qaeda and Iran but there are many localized battles. Chechnya for instance.

I made the point that Osama bin Laden justified his attacks on a religious basis and I pointed to the example of the prophet Muhammed. It was at this point, the host began to feel we were delving into a discussion of the religion of Islam itself that he did not feel comfortable continuing. At any rate, that was the impression I got after I lost my connection to the studio.

Posted by: monk at March 7, 2008 1:15 PM

"Abu Obeida, a spokesman for Hamas' military wing, confirmed the group was not taking responsibility for the attack — at least yet."

I think this might mean that there could possibly be a Hamas terrorist out there still waiting to attack.

Posted by: kyros at March 7, 2008 1:17 PM

"I think this might mean that there could possibly be a Hamas terrorist out there still waiting to attack."

Thats a given.

Posted by: Elric66 at March 7, 2008 1:22 PM

monk said

At any rate, that was the impression I got after I lost my connection to the studio.

Ahh, don't take it personally. I'm sure there were alot of people waiting. They had to get to caller Abu Jihaad on line 3.

Nice work though, you were doing exactly the right thing in trying to get the message out.

Posted by: special_guest at March 7, 2008 1:24 PM

The Cool Ghoul said

I, for one, am not willing to go double or nothing.

Neither were they. I was stiffed again. I have these magical superpowers that allow me to predict the religious persuasion of the perpetrators of religious attacks with almost perfect accuracy, but I can't figure out how to benefit from them.

Posted by: special_guest at March 7, 2008 1:37 PM

could the plain truth be that this was a IJS (Instant Jihad Syndrome)attack.and all the baboons are thumping the bosums so as to boost there status

Alaa Abu Idheim, 26, was a bus driver who lived with his family on School Street on Jbel (Mountain in Arabic) Mukhaber, a high piece of ground overlooking Jerusalem to the south of the city.

He drove for a bus company that specialised in driving schoolchildren and students. Israeli police were investigating reports Abu Idheim had driven students from the yeshiva he attacked on Thursday night.

Scroll down to Part two for full story

http://illustratedpig.blogspot.com/2008/03/another-truth-pt-1-pt-2-and-pt-3.html

Posted by: Shiva at March 7, 2008 1:46 PM

Peace is on the way, check out the members of the peace team. Ugggghhh

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080307/ap_on_re_mi_ea/south_africa_middle_east;_ylt=ApWguMojG20h_IZnOFlEBTsLewgF

If Israel really wants peace, I wouldnt take advise from these clowns.

Posted by: Elric66 at March 7, 2008 1:56 PM

???????Heros????????

(Belly laugh!)

Keep telling yourselves that one. You would have to be delusional to think that you are acting heroically; but then again you are following a delusional prophet, so now it's beginning to make a little more sense.

Posted by: champ at March 7, 2008 1:59 PM

Delusional Prophet - Oops - does that offend? Not sorry.

Posted by: champ at March 7, 2008 2:02 PM

Not sorry....because it's TRUE!

Posted by: champ at March 7, 2008 2:04 PM

special_guest, these are conservative talk show hosts. They do not seem to wish to implicate all Muslims which I do not wish to do either.

Neither do they wish to implicate the religion of Islam itself. I'm not sure what to do with this, other than continue reading, studying and observing.

I pointed out to the host that though not all Muslims may be or are likely to engage in violent jihad terrorism, it would appear there is a fairly large sympathetic audience out there considering the jubilation throughout the Middle East on September 11, 2001.

Why is conservative talk radio uncomfortable discussing this subject?

Posted by: monk at March 7, 2008 2:08 PM

Spare us.
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/960745.html
Typekey is crazy. I posted this a little while ago...it never showed up. Now it will probably post 3 times.

Posted by: interestinconundrum at March 7, 2008 2:13 PM

"Why is conservative talk radio uncomfortable discussing this subject?"

Political correctness, loss of sponsers, fired from radio. Not excusing it but thats why. We arent at the point where we are ready as a society to know the truth about Islam.

Posted by: Elric66 at March 7, 2008 2:18 PM

When will Israel finally, once and for all, defend herself and her children? Pathetic cowardice. I'm starting to not feel sorry for them if they won't stand up and defend their citizens or if their citizens will not demand it.

Posted by: jindle86 at March 7, 2008 2:20 PM

This tragedy at a Jewish seminary would never have occurred but for the fact that the vast majority of Arabs are Muslims. Were they Christian or Buddhist or anything but Muslim the young Jews killed yesterday, like so many murdered Israelis before them, would be alive today. Islam produces sick minds in droves. How is it rationally possible anymore not to see that Islam itself is a horribly warped interpretation of the cosmos and mankind?

Posted by: Wellington at March 7, 2008 2:24 PM

monk said

I pointed out to the host that though not all Muslims may be or are likely to engage in violent jihad terrorism, it would appear there is a fairly large sympathetic audience out there considering the jubilation throughout the Middle East on September 11, 2001.

Nicely said. I hope people in central Florida heard you. Again, you're doing exactly the right thing: you're learning, and you're talking to people (in a respectful way) about what you've learned, which will hopefully encourage them to begin learning on their own as well.

And it's not just conservative radio talk shows that are uncomfortable about criticising Islam; our inability to discuss Islam has nothing to do with party politics. Everyone needs to be educated about Islam: men, women, blacks, whites, Asians, Hindus, Christians, Jews, conservatives, liberals, the young, the elderly, gays, and so on, and so on. Islam only makes two distinctions: between Believer and kufir, and between Muslim men and Muslim women. They don't distinguish between conservatives and liberals. We're all kufirs to them.

Posted by: special_guest at March 7, 2008 2:36 PM

This confusion is understandable when one killer doesn't know what the other killer is up to.

Posted by: flowerknife_us at March 7, 2008 2:40 PM

OT
We just don't understand islam, ya see.
http://explore.georgetown.edu/news/?ID=31755

Posted by: interestinconundrum at March 7, 2008 2:47 PM

Fox news is controlled by the saudis and the saudis, hamas, the muslim brotherhood, and wahabbism are all tied together.

You should have heard them this morning on Fox and Friends and the VERY lamo interview when they had a muslim appeaser and a female muslim talking about the segregation in Stanford. If I had to give a grade it would be a D+ - only because the female co-anchor did try to say that it wasn't fair.

geez, like that is an argument to use against muslims who are well versed in hoping we are about 3rd grade level in 'fairness' and arging with them.

Posted by: R_not at March 7, 2008 2:48 PM

special_guest said

Islam only makes two distinctions:

Okay, that was an overstatement. Islam also distinguishes between "True" Believers and "heretics" (see Sunni/Shi'a split, see Ahmadiyya persecution). They also distinguish between Arabs and non-Arabs. They also distinguish based on skin color.

Posted by: special_guest at March 7, 2008 2:52 PM

Re: Talk Radio - those of you in the Baltimore-Washington market should give a listen to Tom Marr's show on 9:00 A.M. - Noon weekdays on 680 AM. Mr. Spencer is an occasional guest, and I first learned of Jihad Watch on that show. Tom, a former Marine, tells it as he sees it, and fortunately is backed up by the very courageous ownership of his station.

Posted by: MP at March 7, 2008 3:05 PM

Islam also distinguishes between "True" Believers and "heretics" (see Sunni/Shi'a split, see Ahmadiyya persecution). They also distinguish between Arabs and non-Arabs. They also distinguish based on skin color.
by special_guest

But we non-Muslims are not allowed to distinguish.
I'm listening to an author named Jack Shaheen, who is oh so upset that American popular culture after 9/11 portrays Arab-Americans as terrorists and helping al qaeda and he is upset that children are portrayed as terrorists. No one ever told him that truth is stranger than fiction.

His take on Obsession: he couldn't bring himself to watch it. (And he's an author writing on how Arabs are portrayed in the media)

Posted by: PMK at March 7, 2008 3:22 PM

I heard the 'family" of this devil who killed those students hung Hamas flags out their windows.

Now if I am not mistaken, then East Jerusalem where these "people" live is under Israeli jurisdiction.

How come they are allowed to fly Hamas rags in Israel?

That's the equivalent of a Nazi flag really.

They need to sweep the country and remove all Hamas and other terrorist flags. Best they remove those who put these flags as well.. give them the "right of return" to their own people in a land of islam where they will be so much happier than they apparently are in Israel.

We all knowthe only reason they are in Israel is to stake a claim and to harrass and murder Israelis.

This Fifth Column must be removed.

Posted by: Allah Schmallah at March 7, 2008 3:27 PM

It turns out that denial might be correct.
It wasn't Hamas, but Fatah (aren't they partners in the much-acclaimed PEACE PROCESS?) that planned and carried out this attack.

http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=58276

Add to that: it was an inside job.
It was financed by a Fatah activist who lost a 2006 election and it reportedly was carried out by an Arab who worked as a driver at the rabbinical seminary and lived in the Jerusalem village of Jable al-Mujabre.

But Israel can't allow this to stymie the peace process.

Posted by: PMK at March 7, 2008 3:42 PM

Please see my latest Exercise For All and spread the word around the blogosphere.

Posted by: BritneyBritish at March 7, 2008 3:44 PM

Call me crazy, but does it really matter which faction of Islam is responsible? Islam is the underlying problem.

Posted by: The Cool Ghoul at March 7, 2008 3:53 PM

Europe's money is still poring into fill Palestinian coffers however, so that Europe's taxpayers pay to fill Israeli coffins.

Posted by: Stephen Gash SIOE England at March 7, 2008 3:55 PM

I think Israel should recognize a Palestinian State a.s.a.p. - and then as soon as the first rocket was fired at Sderot (or any violence of any kind) took place, declare war, invade Palestine, then drive the "palestinians" from Israel. Normally countries behave this way, right? Oh wait... I was thinking something else...

Posted by: is_LAME at March 7, 2008 4:11 PM

This really has put my brain into a spin… all along I suspected, some subversive Christian element was involved.
Ironically, the less than astute and utterly, delusional, Bush, along with Rice and over his head Olmert insist peace talks will continue.
So, Hamas, proudly, takes responsibility for this heinous and cowardly act, whilst sweets are handed out to the preened and primed mini-jihadist.
Anyone, whether a president, a media-ite, to a postman, swallowing the tripe that there will one day be a two state solution, is an out-and-out nutter; needing to be certified as a hazard onto themselves and civilization.
Civilization or simply, civility is unattainable to the Arab and Islamic, dysfunctional, mindset. Nor does one need to be Sigmund Freud to, in the final analysis, discern their culture-of-death tenet is inherent.
This barbaric horde is incapable of evolving to any plateau nearing a civilization. Thus, they shall remain homicidal, intolerant of diversity and inhabiting the cess-pits, they have created for themselves.
My prayers go out to yesterday’s victims, the murdered and the maimed; not to forget, the numerous, past victims nor those whom have yet to be murdered and maimed by this malignant and accursed lot.

Posted by: ballzack at March 7, 2008 4:45 PM

True... The Burhka Broadcasting Corporation-BBC just confirmed that Hamas has indeed backtracked and now quiver like cowards in the face of the wrath of Israel. And sadly, as expected... The reporting of the BBC was entirely one-sided as Jeremy Bowen, yet again ranted on in his usual anti-semitic fashion as he noted every Israeli conflagration against Palestine over the past decade whilst barely managing to report on the funerals of the murdered students.

Posted by: robertdb at March 7, 2008 5:22 PM

Free [exploding] cellphones for all Hamas members!

Distribute them now as a new aid initiative..

Posted by: profitsbeard at March 7, 2008 6:19 PM

But it was Fatah who did it!

Posted by: PMK at March 7, 2008 8:04 PM

Elric66,

"Why is conservative talk radio uncomfortable discussing this subject?"

Political correctness, loss of sponsers, fired from radio. Not excusing it but thats why. We arent at the point where we are ready as a society to know the truth about Islam."

As of right now, the only conservitive talk radio show host with any courage that has been taking on Islam, even from a legel standpoint of suing CAIR is Micheal Savage. Godspeed to Mr. Savage for his effort to sue and take CAIR down.

Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at March 7, 2008 8:32 PM

Add to that: it was an inside job.
It was financed by a Fatah activist who lost a 2006 election and it reportedly was carried out by an Arab who worked as a driver at the rabbinical seminary and lived in the Jerusalem village of Jable al-Mujabre.

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So THAT's where our tax money which we send Fatah is going?!!

Condi.. please consider this a ***CLUE***. same goes for the delusional EU.

NOT IN MY NAME! How do I get them to STOP sending MY tax money to these murderous baboons in Gaza and the "west bank"?

This is SO illegal and immoral. Not a peep from any leftists that our tax money shouldn't go to finance jihad against Israel.

Man, if we are Israels friends.. they do NOT need enemies..

My condolences and apologies to Israel. I am SICK that my tax money has in some way contributed to this.

Posted by: Allah Schmallah at March 7, 2008 8:46 PM

I would say that the Israeli government should begin actually defending its citizens. The Hamas leadership should not be exempted from an appropriate response, whether it is in Gaza or Damascas. Prime Minister Olmert seems to be more concerned with courting foreign leaders than protecting Jews. There is no peace process. Why should anyone pretend? Olmert should just resign, but he won't. He does not have a shred of decency or self-respect, and the same can be said for Kadima's coalition partners. Elections are needed more than ever now.

Posted by: Worry01 at March 7, 2008 10:50 PM

And here comes Condi - the "Russian expert" who can't speak Russian - with yet another dual-state proposal. Gotta respect the wishes of the arab savages.

Reality dictates: disproportionate retaliation is the only thing that works against muslim aggression. Therefore: exercise disproportionate retaliation.

Posted by: supercargo at March 7, 2008 11:53 PM

And as I type these words does Israel continue to ship tea, cocoa, hummus, jam, and all manner of foodstuffs to Gaza to show how humanitarian they are, while Gaza residents dance in the streets celebrating the killing of Jewish seminary students?

Posted by: Rahman bin Rahman at March 8, 2008 11:51 AM

... and did you catch the CBS news with Katie Couric coverage of the seminary shootings (March 6th)? Reporter Mark Phillips described the murdered students as "hard-line", the killings as retaliation for Israel's move into Gaza to "suppress" rocket fire, spoke of Israel killing civilians (no context of terrorists planting themselves among civilians) accompanied by lingering shots of distraught-looking Arabs, and intoned yet again about "the cycle of violence", as though Israel is equally at fault when all they are doing is responding to repeated attacks.

What was a heinous crime against Israel was turned into a propaganda piece for Hamas.

The media continues to be a HUGE part of the problem.

Posted by: Rahman bin Rahman at March 8, 2008 1:41 PM

Count the dead in Palestine against the dead in Israel since the second intifada. Please someone here give me the civilian dead count. Tell the truth, don't twist it, give us the count. Then explain how Israel suffers. Who are the ones suffering the most? The principle weapon of Palestinians against the continued occupation, illegal settlements, and the illegal partition, is stone throwing. What happened at that seminary is a sad regretful act, and is a sin in any religion, but treat people like animals and they will act like animals, and they will strike out in desperation, and more unfortanate dead. If you are talking about the qassams, Israel has the technology to pinpoint the launch sites within minutes of their detection over Israel, and bomb those areas. Isn't it unusual that they still can't stop them, but they do such a good job at slaughtering civilians many kilometers from the detected launch sites. Israel does not want peace, and this breeds hate on both sides, but it's quite clear who has the upper hand in slaughtering civilians with ease. Israel should be very worried of God's justice in the afterlife.

Posted by: Talib at March 8, 2008 11:42 PM

Talib, if I punch you first, but you are a better fighter and end up beating me up, does the fact that I suffered more damage in the fight make you the bad guy? Of course not. The fact that Israel has done more damage to its enemy than its enemy has done to it, simply means that Israel's government and military has been more effective. The fact that Israel's enemies have not exterminated the Jews is not for lack of trying. They have outwardly and unabashedly been working at that goal for 60 years. If Muslims are tired of being on the losing side of the fight, maybe they should stop fighting?

Posted by: Abu Allah at March 10, 2008 11:28 AM

"Abu Allah"
Your logic is really poor. This is not a fight in the school yard, innocent women and children are being killed, massacred. I am completely insulted at your analogy. Second, in your insulting analogy on who punched first, according to my history in reality, wouldn't the first punch be when the jews moved to Palestine to flee prosecution after WW2 and forcefully setup a Jewish state, and expelled most of the arabs living there, 900,000 people off of their land? Wouldn't that be a punch? If it was your house, your land, would that be a punch to you? Answer honestly.

Posted by: Talib at March 12, 2008 11:32 AM