A little OT but not much. Another MUST READ column by Canadian Toronto Sun columnist Salim Mansur

MULTICULTURALISM CANNOT SURVIVE

By SALIM MANSUR Sunday March 8, 2008

Future historians of the phenomenon known as "multiculturalism" that the West bone-headedly adopted towards the end of the second millennium will note the precise time when it was dealt a mortal wound.

It was at 8:46 on Tuesday morning of Sept. 11, 2001, when the first of the four commercial airliners hijacked by Islamist terrorists - all of Arab origin - struck the north tower of the World Trade Center in New York City.

Since that time other western cities - Madrid, London, Amsterdam, Los Angeles, Toronto, Paris, Washington - have been targets of successful or failed attempts by Islamist terrorists determined to spread random death and destruction.

Those involved in the planning and execution of such terror are immigrants or born of immigrant parents belonging to the rapidly growing Muslim population in the West over the past 40 years. I happen to be a part of this wave of immigration to the West.

This western Muslim population, with its ethnic diversity reflecting the vastness of the Arab-Muslim world - stretching from the Atlantic to the Pacific and from central Asia to sub-Saharan Africa - could have given some timely ballast to multiculturalism by unambiguously and unapologetically defending the West against barbarity.

MINIMUM OWED

This was the minimum Muslims in the West owed to the civilization where they sought refuge, and where they found security, prosperity, freedom and self-fulfillment of the like denied them in their native lands.

Instead Muslim-based organizations, at first having offered denial, followed with an unending volume of polemics condemning the West for past sins. By exploiting the West's post-colonial guilt they held it responsible for the conditions in the Arab-Muslim world that breeds the politics of terrorism.

These bald-faced polemics are sheer nonsense, and yet they resonated in much of the West that went limp with the anodyne of wishful multicultural thinking.

The idea that all cultures are equal in merit and deserving respect, an idea devoid of any historical perspective, could be seriously proposed and adopted only in western liberal democracies. And logically such an idea meant only one thing, the diminution of the West and its achievements in comparison to other cultures.

Multiculturalism institutionalized as a policy, run by self-perpetuating bureaucracies and sustained by entrepreneurs of a growing multicultural industry, became an easy ride for its proponents and clients.

Immigrants were not required to embrace the West's culture and complex history; and the West did not have to strain itself in instructing immigrants on the need or importance of embracing it, warts and all.

Multiculturalism worked so long as the illusion of cultural harmony could be maintained.

But once the sham of equality got exposed by the heat of Islamist violence - once it became undeniable that a culture in which a woman, for instance, can assert her individual freedom without fear is not at par with a culture where a woman's worth is less than that of a man - multiculturalism as an idea was dead.

Historians will note a period of confusion followed the death of multiculturalism before the West asserted its ideals of freedom and democracy, and moved on.

I just wonder if one with such understanding still goes to the mosque on Friday night, reads the Koran and calls himself a muslim. He should just completely leave islam.

Posted by: j_not_a at March 9, 2008 3:27 PM

The Taliban/al-Qaeda protesters (read: terrorists) are being led by elected parliamentarians. (The terrorist who conducted the destruction of the Buddhas was elected to the first Afghan assembly) Seventy percent of Afghanistan is either under Taliban/al-Qaeda or warlord control. And Karzai - a Pashto - has twice condemned military actions against the Pashto Heroin Mafia. Karzai has put billions of dollars into the pockets of not only Taliban terrorists, but their Pakistan supporters in Jamaat-i-Islami, etc.

Re the stereotypical "freedom" patter - "we have to respect the wishes of the Afghan people, blah, blah" - those local savages can suck napalm. The problem is: their lives.

Posted by: supercargo at March 9, 2008 3:31 PM

Once again Muslims betray their true bent… and it ain’t, make love not war! Good posts, supercargo and j_not… we are buried under a foot of snow, thus I am in mental meltdown. I am, so, glad, other posters are on the ball, sort-to speak.

Posted by: ballzack at March 9, 2008 3:42 PM

"If our demands are not fulfilled, we will stage more protests and resort to suicide attacks against the foreigners," said Ibrahim, a university student."

Uhm... Is it just me, or does that sound like a non-proportional response? I mention this because I know how much the Muslims like to complain about the Israeli's use of non-proportional (i.e. - overwhelming) fire power when going after Hamas and Hezbollah...

Geez, you would think that the MSM would be reporting on hypocrisies like this... You would think...

Cheers

Posted by: Doctor Bulldog at March 9, 2008 3:59 PM

"If our demands are not fulfilled, we will stage more protests and resort to suicide attacks against the foreigners," said Ibrahim, a university student."

Reasonable enough...

Posted by: Sneakyzionistcrusader at March 9, 2008 4:02 PM

Print millions of Motoons and drop them from airplaine all over Iran, Pakistan, Afghanistan and Every-stan.

Posted by: LazarOfSerbia at March 9, 2008 4:04 PM

Imagine if this story had been played the other way round;

http://www.mailonsunday.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=528819&in_page_id=1770

Posted by: Howstupidcanyouget at March 9, 2008 4:22 PM

We demand that Muslims stop their suicide attacks and other acts of violence and intimidation against non-Muslims who exercise their right to think and speak freely.

If our demands are not fulfilled, we will stage more cartoon protests and resort to printing the name "Mohammed" in our news media without automatically describing him as a "prophet" with a capital P.

Posted by: Karl at March 9, 2008 4:36 PM

Posted by LazarOfSerbia:
Print millions of Motoons and drop them from airplaine all over Iran, Pakistan, Afghanistan and Every-stan.

Do it every day until they comprehend the difference between images and bullets, between speech and violence. Every news story, in video or print, covering these protests should prominently display the "offending" cartoons.

We've gone overboard in our effort to be sensitive and understanding. Sometimes crying babies cannot be cajoled and must cry themselves to sleep.

If vexation and exhaustion is their sport, let the games begin.

Posted by: RalphInfidel at March 9, 2008 4:39 PM

"If our demands are not fulfilled, we will stage more protests and resort to suicide attacks against the foreigners," said Ibrahim, a university student.

In the West, we call this a "threat" and it would be investigated for criminal intent. There should be repercussions.

The Afghan government has called the reprinting of the cartoon an attack against Islam...

punishable by death

Pious Muslim countries always seem to forget that their laws only apply to "crimes" committed under their jurisdiction.

... and one official has warned it would swell the ranks of al Qaeda and its Taliban allies.

How accepting and appropriating the savages are of patronizing Western liberal babble which depicts them as acerebral, hyperreflexive and reactionary intemporates. Is the pride and cohesion of the master race reduced to clusters uulating and agitating before sympathetic infidel media coverage to make their voices seem bolder? And why attack the "foreign troops", when it is obviously their own government that is too cowed, corrupt or complicit to raise the green and black flags, instead of a mere wimpering charge of "attack against Islam"? Because that would get them a smack down.

Strange isn't it that they can attack our troops with near impunity, but they know that they better not attack their own government or those same troops will be "allowed to annihilate them.

Posted by: Concerned Citizen at March 9, 2008 4:42 PM

Damn. It sure is easy to "swell the ranks of the Taliban" and such as them. All ya gotta do is spread a little truth around, sprinkled with some humor and POW! Instant Jihadis ready to strap on a suicide vest and take out some Westerners!

Islam hates the light of truth like Cockroaches hate the light. The difference is the light of truth brings these cockroaches out of the darkness into the light of day, to be seen for what they are.

The message I keep getting from the wankers is the same one over and over.
"Keep revealing Islam for what it is and we'll kill you! Down with truth! Freedom of speech should not be used to expose the truth about Islam!

Of course, these twits hate freedom in all forms so whaddya expect?

Posted by: Alaskan at March 9, 2008 5:08 PM

"If our demands are not fulfilled, we will stage more protests and resort to suicide attacks against the foreigners," said Ibrahim, a university student. --from article

Great, Ibrahim, you murderer, show the world what a murdering Barbarian you are! Hopefully you will get offed, and not the innocent "foreigners."

Posted by: darcy at March 9, 2008 5:27 PM

I never call ol' mo a "prophet" Exactly what did he prophesize compared to the likes of I dunno, Jeremiah, Isaiah, etc.?

A profiteer is more like it. Loser mo, poop be upon him.

Posted by: j_not_a at March 9, 2008 5:29 PM

No doubt they would really decry the use of certain psychological tactics,in response to this threat against "foreigners",which were once utilized by Gen.Pershing with predictable results.

Posted by: We need G.C. Scott at March 9, 2008 5:40 PM

Shouldn't the headline actually read...

Afghan Cartoon Rage: "If our demands are not fulfilled, we will stage more protests and resort to suicide attacks against the foreigners; and if our demands are fulfilled, we will seek another excuse to stage more protests and resort to suicide attacks against the foreigners."

Posted by: The Cool Ghoul at March 9, 2008 5:47 PM

Is there a picture of the "student" ibrahim? If there is it should be posted on websites frequented by American and other Coalition Forces in Afghanistan.

I bet he bears a striking resemblance to Rage Boy.

I'd call that school he goes to a "target-rich-environment".

Too bad I'm not in charge of the Pentagon.

There'd be no American Forces in either of the current battle grounds. Not because I'd have cut and run but because I'd have dealt with the enemy in overwhelming and uncompromising fashion which communicates the seriousness of intent I see lacking in this current effort.

It is very likely that "ibrahim" would not be alive today if I'd been in charge.

Either that or he'd be keeping his yap shut and stay out of sight.

There would also be no reporters snooping around. I'd have them all arrested and thrown in the brig until further notice.

They keep smearing us anyhow so why not deal with them as what they are - enemy agents?

Then run a de-islamification program.

There is historic precedent for this. The President should have made the case that islam equals colonialism and fascism right at the UN General Assembly.

He would have to have been briefed by Robert Spencer, Hugh Fitzgerald, Wafaa Sultan, Brigitte Gabriel and bat Ye-or before this undertaking.

After he made his case, the troops would have had free reign to sort things out the way it needs to be done.

No pussyfooting around.

Posted by: Allah Schmallah at March 9, 2008 5:51 PM

"The Afghan government has called the reprinting of the cartoon an attack against Islam"

What do those people really know? A real attack against Islam would be more like how the Allied forces in WWII ended Japanese Imperialism and Nazi aggression. An attack that would only take US forces one day to execute but would take decades if ever to recuperate from.

In the meantime here is my own personal attack against Islam. Newly updated and with a short article that Hugh wrote with a link back to Jihad Watch for those of you who haven't seen
My Page yet check it out and have fun.
http://www.tagged.com/havekoranwilltravel

Posted by: havekoranwilltravel at March 9, 2008 5:55 PM

I posted this on another board:

I have an idea, which needs more courage that going to war.

The non Muslim world (5.5 billion) should start a campaign, a 24/7 broadcast about Islam, examining its canonical scriptures, its violent history, its goals and its plans to subjugate all non Muslims across the planet.

Geert Wilders in Fitna the Movie is a good start.

It should involve all the media, TV, newsagents, writers, artist, historians, academicians, advertising companies to reverse the 50 years of Islamic propaganda fed to the western world.
It has been done against the Nazis in the 40's and against communist in the cold war. It can be done.

A torrent of unstoppable information from every TV station and media outlet. Broadcast it into the Muslim countries.

Educating not just infidels, but Muslims who are ignorant about their faith.
Educating the world, instead of using guns, using propaganda, knowledge.
We already doing this anonymously on the Internet.
Print or broadcast Sirat al Rasul, the biography of Mohammad.
Let Muslims find out who really Mohammad was.
A mass murderer, a rapist, a thief, a pirate a slave trader, a child molester, it is all in his biography, written by pious Muslim historians.
Muslim do not know that, or if they do, they want to follow his example. Quran 33:21
Those books are what Islam stands on. Without them there is no Islam.
Lay them bare for the world to see.

Furthermore:

Stop all financial and technological aid to all Muslim countries. No more jizya! No more $100 a barrel of oil.
Don't worry about the oil, they have to sell it to survive, their only income.
Until they reform, or starve. Then and only then, if they still want war, bring it on!

But what non Muslim government has the will and courage to start the ball rolling.

Posted by: pr126 at March 9, 2008 5:58 PM

I am supportive of the ideas posted above by pr126.

And I think this would be an effective strategy IF media were willing to be honest and truthful. Unfortunately, at this juncture, media is actively trying to promote misleading information with regard to islam. See:
http://www.spj.org/divguidelines.asp

It's up to all of us, with the help of sites like this one, to do our part to inform people. That's the first step as I see it.

Posted by: The Cool Ghoul at March 9, 2008 6:29 PM

Foreigners?
Good heavens, is this not racist?
I will have to consult my local MP about this...

Posted by: Ken CleanAirSystem at March 9, 2008 6:29 PM

The prophet {propeller beanie upon him} and all the holy cities...in western newspapers and magazines. Just makes me puke.

Posted by: interestinconundrum at March 9, 2008 6:33 PM

MORE MO-TOONS!!!!
the West's secret weapon to destroy the religion of hatred, bloodshed, and lunacy

Posted by: TINBH at March 9, 2008 6:41 PM

"If our demands are not fulfilled, we will stage more protests and resort to suicide attacks against the foreigners," said Ibrahim, a university student.

The desired response:

"Go ahead. Here is what you will get in return:

- All soldiers will leave Afghanistan, never to return.
- All Afghans living abroad will be repatriated to Afghanistan.
- Afghanistan will be cordoned off.
- The US will not allow Afghan diplomats on its territory, even in the United Nations. You can always do your business from Geneva. That's why God made video teleconferencing.

Non-proportional response? Hey, not a single Muslim was killed and you have your country back and all the infidels are gone. Have a nice life.

Posted by: PMK at March 9, 2008 8:22 PM

"Muslims consider any depiction of the Prophet offensive."

Funny--why don't muslims consider venerating a pedophile offensive?

Go figure.

Posted by: PorkFatRules at March 9, 2008 8:45 PM

I am supportive of the ideas posted above by pr126.

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So do I. We need political power to implement them.

Posted by: Allah Schmallah at March 9, 2008 9:13 PM

Pashtos want both US aid and Taliban; they are getting both. Taliban is NOT being fought in Helmand District. Taliban is making millions from Helmand heroin. Karzai is ordering land captured from Taliban by NATO troops, given back to them. Bush has never linked Taliban to al-Qaeda because that would offend the Saudis, who will be financing his library and paying off his anti secular regime with the same money that his dhimmi dad was delivered, quid pro quo.
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Afghan president offers Taliban a place in government for peace deal

The Associated Press
Saturday, September 29, 2007
KABUL, Afghanistan: President Hamid Karzai offered Saturday to meet personally with Taliban leader Mullah Omar for peace talks and give the militants a high position in a government ministry as a way to end the rising insurgency in Afghanistan.

Reiterating a call for negotiations he has made with increasing frequency over the last several weeks, Karzai also said he was willing to meet with factional warlord leader and former Prime Minister Gulbuddin Hekmatyar.

"If I find their address, there is no need for them to come to me, I'll personally go there and get in touch with them," Karzai said. "Esteemed Mullah, sir, and esteemed Hekmatyar, sir, why are you destroying the country?"

Karzai said he has contacts with Taliban militants through tribal elders but that there are no direct and open government communication channels with the fighters.

"If a group of Taliban or a number of Taliban come to me and say, 'President, we want a department in this or in that ministry or we want a position as deputy minister ... and we don't want to fight anymore ... If there will be a demand and a request like that to me, I will accept it because I want conflicts and fighting to end in Afghanistan," Karzai said.

"I wish there would be a demand as easy as this. I wish that they would want a position in the government. I will give them a position," he said.

Karzai earlier this month renewed a call for talks with the Taliban, and a spokesman for the militant group initially said the fighters might be open to negotiations. But spokesman Qari Yousef Ahmadi later said foreign troops must first leave the country — a demand Karzai said Saturday he would not meet.

"It should be very clear until all our roads are paved, until we have good electricity and good water, and also until we have a better Afghan national army and national police, I don't want any foreigners to leave Afghanistan," he said.

He said he still wanted negotiations with Taliban militants of Afghan origin "for peace and security." He ruled out talks with al-Qaida and other foreign fighters.

NATO and the United Nations have said an increasing number of Taliban fighters are interested in laying down their arms. NATO's ambassador to Afghanistan, Daan Everts, said this month that NATO would look into the possibility of talks.

More than 4,500 Taliban fighters have laid down their arms and pledged to abide by the government's laws through a reconciliation process that is more than two years old.

Posted by: supercargo at March 9, 2008 10:43 PM

As was the "war" in Iraq, so was the one in Afghanistan, lost when we (US) allowed the defeated to dictate the terms of their "rebuilding," paid for by us (US) of course,

Posted by: unicorns62000 at March 9, 2008 11:47 PM

As I did on another thread related to the subject. I removed the bias from the Reuters reporter. As before italicized words/phrases will be added after the word/s to replace or clearify what is being reported.

JALALABAD, Afghanistan (Reuters) - Thousands of Afghan Islamic students blocked a highway and threatened attacks on foreign troops on Sunday in the latest protest against the reprinting of a cartoon of the Prophet Mohammad in Danish papers.
Sunday's protest near the city of Jalalabad on the highway leading to Pakistan followed violent demonstrations a day earlier in the western city of Herat against the cartoon and a film on the Koran by a right wing concerned Dutch politician.
Chanting anti-Western slogans quotes from the Koran, the marchers in Jalalabad burnt Danish and Dutch flags demanding the cartoonist and the politician, who plans to release his film this month, be put on trial.
"If our demands are not fulfilled, we will stage more protests and resort to suicide attacks against the foreigners, allah willing" said Ibrahim, a Islamic university student.
The Islamic demonstrators also demanded Kabul freeze its ties with the Dutch and Danish governments and expel troops from the two countries who operate under NATO's command in Afghanistan.
The Afghan government has called the reprinting of the cartoon an attack against Islam and one official has warned it would swell the ranks of al Qaeda and its Taliban allies. This was only told to the western press to guarantee continual funding of the war in Afghan.
Dutch right-wing duly elected and concerned politician Geert Wilders is expected to release his film, thought to be critical of show what the Koran really teaches, later this month. Wilders has given few details, but in the past he has called the Koran a "fascist" book that "incites violence". Which it appears to be.
The cartoon -- one of 12 that prompted bloody riots in many Muslim countries in 2006 -- was republished by a number of Danish papers last month to show solidarity with the cartoonist after three Muslim men were arrested on suspicion of plotting to kill him.
Muslims consider any depiction of the Prophet offensive. Even more so with a bomb for a turban.

Hope this helped understand what is going on for the minds of men.

Posted by: Im.mad.as.HELL! at March 9, 2008 11:59 PM

As for "rioters" threatening our troops? Does no one in our, or "NATO's," military know how to deal with that?

Need we see more U-Tube videos of our soldiers dying at the hands of our enemies?

Or are we afraid that some press-rat will take and distribute videos of rioters being "dispersed?"

Are our armed forces led by military steers* under the orders of civilian traitors or cowards?

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*when they should be led by bulls, if y'all catch my drift

Posted by: unicorns62000 at March 10, 2008 12:02 AM

xxx

Posted by: HotSpur at March 10, 2008 12:09 AM

The Afghan government has called the reprinting of the cartoon an attack against Islam and one official has warned it would swell the ranks of al Qaeda and its Taliban allies.

Same old threats---more of islam's finest will resort to fighting along side al Qaeda and the Taliban to defend their beloved death cult. What crap! Obviously these "students" haven't learned that the West does not revolve around a filthy, dead warlord and pedophile or the asinine qur'an and we don't try people for making documentaries, regardless of who they might offend. Most rational people simply avoid subjecting themselves to films, books, cartoons, etc. that they might find offensive. These idiots just can't seem to grasp the fact that civilized people find islam offensive and it gets more revulsive with every display of muslim megalomania. The eventual response to the muslim invaders in the West will not be a pleasant sight, but that scenario is not even on their radar screens. They have become so emboldened, arrogant, and aggressive that they expect automatic concessions for every demand.

Blocking highways is usually illegal, although I didn't know there were any in Afghanistan. They can take their "demands" and shove them and while they're at it, they can shove their imams and their qur'ans. No imams, no qur'ans; no violent, brainwashed students. Islamic clerics are the driving force behind jihad and raving, ranting, maniacal muslims. Get rid of them and peace will follow.

Posted by: Susanp at March 10, 2008 12:25 AM

I call that a target-rich environment. At least you'll know there aren't any "innocent bystanders" in that crowd.

Unleash the street sweepers.

Posted by: Allah Schmallah at March 10, 2008 1:04 AM

So, thank goodness that You Tube will be available to assist the Muslim world for free with all of their jihadi internet filming and posting needs when the Muslims start getting busy carrying out all their threats against the western democracies!

Posted by: pythagoras at March 10, 2008 12:39 PM