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2,000-3,000 out to protest against Geert Wilders's Qur'an film, which no one has yet seen, in the Netherlands.
"Dutch protest against Islam critic's Koran film: Officials fear movie could spark violence in Muslim countries," from AP (thanks to the Constantinopolitan Irredentist):
AMSTERDAM - Thousands of demonstrators crowded Amsterdam's central square Saturday, braving wind and sleet to show their opposition to anti-immigration lawmaker Geert Wilders.The protest, called "Netherlands Shows Its Colors," is primarily a reaction in advance to the short film Wilders said he will release later this month criticizing the Koran as a "fascist" book.
One protester carried a sign saying "standing together against the right wing populist witch-hunt."
"I'm very much against Geert Wilders and racism in general, but I think it's really important to show not only Holland but the rest of the world that there's a lot of people who do not agree with his ideas," Elisa Trepp said.
Wilders, who said he is not racist, heads a reactionary party with nine seats in the 150-member Dutch parliament, elected on an anti-immigration platform.
Gee, do you think AP believes that Wilders is not racist, with his "reactionary" party and its anti-immigration platform?
In any case, AP fails to explain why criticizing a book that is believed in by people of all races is a "racist" endeavor. From the evidence of his public statements so far, Wilders is focusing on the ideology of the Islamic jihadists and pointing out that it is derived from the Qur'an. This is an issue that has been clouded by questions of race, such that many Europeans and Americans cannot see past the fact that this ideology is held by many people of one race and those who do not hold it in Europe and America are of another.
But do you think that Geert Wilders would have no problem with the violent and supremacist aspects of the Qur'an if the only people who believed in it were blonde and blue-eyed?
While the exact contents of his 15-minute movie, due to be released by March 31, remain unknown, Wilders has said it will underscore his view that Islam's holy book is fascist.Dutch officials fear the movie could spark violent protests in Muslim countries, similar to those two years ago after the publication of cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad in a Danish newspaper.
But no prominent politicians were among the 2,000-3,000 people who police estimated turned up for the demonstration, to the frustration of some attendees.
"The government could really do something. That's in the interest of the country — stop him, just stop him," said Hassan Iaeti, who traveled hours from the far south of the country to attend.
Someone should explain to Hassan Iaeti that while it may be in the short-term interests of the country to stop Wilders, in the long term the shielding of one group and one ideology from criticism will establish it as a protected class in the Netherlands at precisely the time when that country is vulnerable, as are many other countries, to violence perpetrated by those who hold to that ideology, and to non-violent actions also perpetrated for the advancement of the same supremacist agenda held by those committing violence. Thus the one group that needs to be scrutinized the most, as a matter of national survival, will be shielded from that scrutiny. The only winners will be the Islamic jihadists.
And that's quite apart from the question of whether free Dutch society can survive the limiting of free inquiry that Hassan Iaeti would like to see.
He said he believed Wilders is abusing the right of freedom of speech, which he said has limits."You can criticize Muslims themselves, but not their religion and not our prophet — that's our belief."
But what about when Muslims themselves point to their religion and prophet in order to justify violence and supremacism? Does it then become off-limits for non-believers to resist that violence and supremacism, because to do so would be to speak against the Muslim religion and prophet?
Echoes of van GoghPrime Minister Jan Peter Balkenende has said that while he rejects Wilders' views, he supports his freedom of speech — but warns him the film may put Dutch national interests at risk. Protesters in Afghanistan burnt Wilders in effigy on Friday and demanded Dutch troops withdraw from the NATO mission there.
In November 2004, a Muslim radical killed Dutch filmmaker Theo van Gogh for perceived insults to Islam. Wilders, under constant police protection, said it is his duty to speak out against what he sees as a threat to Dutch culture posed by Islam.
Dutch anti-terrorism authorities have said the risk of an attack are "substantial" and requested all national politicians inform them of their upcoming travel plans due to security concerns.
A Dutch court will hear a complaint lodged by Muslim groups seeking to bar Wilders from releasing the film and punish him for earlier anti-Islam remarks under hate crime laws.
The case filed by the Dutch Islamic Federation will be heard March 28, but there is no legal barrier preventing Wilders from releasing his film before then....
Posted by Robert at March 22, 2008 5:48 PM
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Good Grief.
Hello Hollandistan. Nice to have known you. Hope you enjoy your new Islamic Masters - because you're slaves now.
>>The only winners will be the Islamic jihadists.--RS
'Bye Holland. Enjoy yourselves.
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at March 22, 2008 6:24 PM
"Officials fear movie could spark violence in Muslim countries . . ."
Why should anyone care about violence in muslim countries as long as no infidels are hurt. It is a sea-change the European belief system that they should whatch their tongues because of the fear of what someone might do. Muslims in Europe have created the beginning of the end: Europeans are afraid, scared, underwear soiling scared.
Posted by: Pelayo at March 22, 2008 6:36 PM
And the website, for the release of the movie by Wilders, www.fitnathemovie reveals this:
This site has been suspended while Network Solutions is investigating whether the site's content is in violation of the Network Solutions Acceptable Use Policy. Network Solutions has received a number of complaints regarding this site that are under investigation. For more information about Network Solutions Acceptable Use Policy visit the following URL: http://www.networksolutions.com/legal/aup.jsp
So go there, and there's a 1-800 number you can call into. Be polite and tell them that the site is merely a website to place a movie which has all the sayings by mohammed in his koran, to demonstrate
what he says. Nothing but his sayings there.
And those protesting it are merely against any criticism based upon truthful revealing of what the texts say.
Mark
Posted by: mgoldberg at March 22, 2008 6:41 PM
This will be a turning point for Europe. Will Europe stand for one of its own, for freedom of speach, for national security, or will they give their souls to the ummah, and hope to be the last ones to be killed ?
The whole world is watching, Holland. Make Western civilization proud.
Posted by: Crusader at March 22, 2008 6:42 PM
Europeans are afraid, scared, underwear soiling scared.
Posted by: Pelayo at March 22, 2008 6:36 PM
They are the biggest cowards I've ever seen. To think this is the home of Anne Frank. My God. It's really unbelievable!
Posted by: darcy at March 22, 2008 6:43 PM
"You can criticize Muslims themselves, but not their religion and not our prophet — that's our belief."
The most arrogant statement from any SOB I have heard in years.
Posted by: Pelayo at March 22, 2008 6:43 PM
Although all the Dutch left wing media were promoting the bull, just a little over 1000 people attended, which really was a joke. Happily more and more people support Geert !! Grttz fom Holland www.fitnathemovie.co.uk apparently frredom in the UK is better than in Canada
Posted by: dercks at March 22, 2008 6:48 PM
Bad news, folks. www.fitnathemovie.com has been suspended pending an investigation into numerous complaints it has received.
www.fitnathemovie.co.uk is still up, though whether Wilders will be able to keep his movie up on any site for very long is doubtful.
A little internet jihad, methinks. Deluge the site host with complaints and such and voila, there goes the hosting.
Posted by: Infidelicious at March 22, 2008 6:50 PM
"You can criticize Muslims themselves, but not their religion and not our prophet — that's our belief."
My BELIEF is different from that... FREEDOM of SPEECH, FREEDOM of RELIGION and FREEDOM of THOUGHT. Guess what your religious belief does NOT SUPERSEDE mine. Tough luck Mohammedan.
at March 22, 2008 6:52 PM
"A little internet jihad, methinks. Deluge the site host with complaints and such and voila, there goes the hosting." Posted by: Infidelicious
Yup, just look at "Jihad Tube"... err... I mean "You Tube".
Posted by: senor doeboy at March 22, 2008 6:54 PM
Islam is no religion, it is an idiology. A violent one. That is why it is dangerous.
Still online www.fitnathemovie.co.uk
at March 22, 2008 6:55 PM
It will be interesting to see how this plays out, and it looks like we're going to know something soon.
The previously announced site at fitnathemovie dot com now has a cybernanny warning from the host saying that the site's "content" is being investigated for terms of use violations. It also notes that the host has received several complaints about the site's content.
The investigation shouldn't take long because the content consists for now only of a splash screen indicating that the movie is coming soon. So the former host is investigating nonexistent content due to complaints about said content, to which the offended parties haven't yet been exposed.
And you thought outrage over cartoons and teddy bears was inane.
Happy Easter all,
HAID
Posted by: Haid Dasalami at March 22, 2008 6:56 PM
"The government could really do something."
Yes, they should or supremacists will smother you into sharia law, oh! and get your burka early, as if all this is not already well under way. Soon you will be screaming "The government must really do something."
Posted by: Sounder at March 22, 2008 6:56 PM
It doesn't really matter whether or not cringing Dutch politicians, their Muslim threateners, or any other group objects to this film. If Wilders posts the clip to the Internet and makes sure he has a sufficiently large number of anonymous but friendly mirror sites willing to host it, there will be no way it can be suppressed.
Of greater concern is Wilders' personal safety in the event that some within the Muslim world decide to become violent, as seems likely.
Posted by: Eastview at March 22, 2008 7:00 PM
Of greater concern is Wilders' personal safety in the event that some within the Muslim world decide to become violent, as seems likely.
Posted by: Eastview at March 22, 2008 7:00 PM
Are you kidding? The Barbarians have fatwa's a-plenty out against him! And they have the previous murder of Theo Van Gogh as an example!
at March 22, 2008 7:03 PM
Besides taking a swipe at the moonbats, my main point was that there are other ways to host a web site besides going through commercial web hosting services. Any competent geek can tell you how.
Posted by: Eastview at March 22, 2008 7:10 PM
Netherlands anti-Wilders protestor: "The government could really do something. That's in the interest of the country — stop him, just stop him"
Huh, in the interest of the country? No it's not; it's in the interest of Islam. Gezuz, get a grip.
"You can criticize Muslims themselves...
Why am I having a hard time believing that?
...but not their religion and not our prophet — that's our belief."
If I may borrow a phrase from the Obama campaign:
"Yes We Can!"
That's our belief.
at March 22, 2008 7:10 PM
As was stated above, the number of protesters was not nearly as cheery as the organizers would have us believe. As of this writing the organizers still claim 5,000 attendees:
http://www.nederlandbekentkleur.nl/
But more 'impartial' sources (Dutch State TV) puts the number at a little more then 1,000 (NL):
http://www.nos.nl/nos/artikelen/2008/03/art000001C88C1722C7CCEE.html
Making the protest a dud, if there ever was one.
Posted by: Klein Verzet at March 22, 2008 7:15 PM
>>Netherlands anti-Wilders protestor: "The government could really do something. That's in the interest of the country — stop him, just stop him"
Huh, in the interest of the country? No it's not; it's in the interest of Islam. Gezuz, get a grip.--RalphInfidel
That protestor has an IQ of about 2. If that.
Posted by: darcy at March 22, 2008 7:18 PM
Darcy, Yes a Dutch family hid the Franks, but an informer, most likely another Dutch citizen, told the SS where to find them.
The Dutch hid a lot of Jews, and a lot more Dutch did nothing.
Posted by: Pelayo at March 22, 2008 7:23 PM
No more then 1500 people attended this so called anti-fascist, anti-racists meeting ,on average the number of people that normally pass through Dam Square in 10 minutes or so.
Latest news regarding Fitna is that the American provider Network Solutions has taken Fitna The Movie offline, according to www.geenstijl.nl
Meanwhile the NMO (Nederlandse Moslim Omroep, a Dutch Muslim broadcasting organization) is discussing possibilities to broadcast the film. This is a public broadcaster.
NMO article
at March 22, 2008 7:35 PM
Who can translate this Dutch?
Moet de moslimomroep Fitna uitzenden?
Posted by: darcy at March 22, 2008 7:42 PM
The Government is doing something. It is called nothing. It is what Politicians do best.
Just who are the Protesters anyway? Keeping the identity of them a secret kind of skewed the whole meaning of the story from the very first sentence.
The 4th Estate has become very concerned about the dissemination of the truth in any format has it not?
So much for those old tired slogans of the 60's where the TRUTH was meant to set you FREE.
Posted by: flowerknife_us at March 22, 2008 7:42 PM
AP, which claims that it is not a front organization for a neo-Nazi pedophile ring, said:
Wilders, who said he is not racist, heads a reactionary partyPosted by: special_guest
at March 22, 2008 7:43 PM
More accurately, AP has never denied the claim. Draw from that whatever conclusions you wish.
Posted by: special_guest at March 22, 2008 7:47 PM
Darcy,
He has suffers from Severe Indoctrination Syndrome.
Posted by: RalphInfidel at March 22, 2008 7:56 PM
Ralph, you mean the famous Stockholm Syndrome, in which captives begin to identify with their kidnappers?
http://www.apologeticsindex.org/353-stockholm-syndrome
at March 22, 2008 8:03 PM
There you are, RalphInfidel
Go here -
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/020399.php#c523528
Please reply to my last comment, er, request for help.
Posted by: Pelayo at March 22, 2008 8:07 PM
Is freedom worth fighting for?
Time for men of conscience to stand up.
I would rather die fighting (standing) than to live on my knees.
at March 22, 2008 8:10 PM
Pelayo sez:
Why should anyone care about violence in muslim countries as long as no infidels are hurt.
That's exactly the point. Infidels will get hurt. Churches will be burned and Christians hacked to death. They will attack any place where Westerners gather, not only Dutch, but just about any Western embassy or consulate, every Dutch company director and any tourists that can be grabbed.
That's what they always do and that's what everyone's afraid of...
at March 22, 2008 8:12 PM
" ... Officials fear movie could spark violence in Muslim countries,..."
What might cause a mental-state of the masses that is constatnly and permanently so volatile as to be ignited - at any moment- by a mere spark? Hmm ...
at March 22, 2008 8:27 PM
"You can criticize Muslims themselves, but not their religion and not our prophet — that's our belief."
When was the last time Muslims were so solicitous of other religions and other beliefs - when the Taliban blew up two thousand-year-old (or more) statues? When Palestinians destroyed Joseph's Tomb? Rachel's Tomb? The tomb holding Isaac and Jacob is safe only because it is also the tomb of Abraham.
This statement would be funny if the ramifications weren't so serious. Isn't any criticism of Muslims themselves taken as an insult to their "prophet" and seen as a criticism of their beliefs? How is it they don't get dizzy from all the spinning they do?
Posted by: PMK at March 22, 2008 8:33 PM
@darcy
"Moet de moslimomroep Fitna uitzenden?" means "Should the Muslim broadcasting organization show Fitna?"
At most a thousand people attended the demonstration, not 2000-3000. They were part Muslims, part useful idiots, and part politicians afraid to lose seats to Wilders' party in the next elections.
at March 22, 2008 8:38 PM
That's exactly the point. Infidels will get hurt. Churches will be burned and Christians hacked to death. They will attack any place where Westerners gather, not only Dutch, but just about any Western embassy or consulate, every Dutch company director and any tourists that can be grabbed.
For starters, any infidels living in such countries aren't safe to begin with. They are subject to the whim of their Muslim rulers. The Muslim government and people can use any excuse to bring terror upon them. If Wilders' film isn't released and is lost to history, there will be another excuse somewhere along the line.
Sounds like a good justification for total and complete separation. Tourists should avoid all Muslim-dominated countries and Western countries should ban all travel (not just immigration) from same. Western governments should break diplomatic relations if there is a repeat of 1979.
There should be an end to Western contributions to any international aid organizations which benefit said countries. Granted, a lot of "innocent" people will be hurt but it's been that way in every war. That's what we have. War.
at March 22, 2008 9:08 PM
@darcy
"Moet de moslimomroep Fitna uitzenden?" means "Should the Muslim broadcasting organization show Fitna?"--Flying Dutchman!
Thanks. I answered that question on a Dutch site. 85% said yes (Ja)! -including me.
Only 14% said Nee!
So you see the vast majority said YES!
at March 22, 2008 9:13 PM
If you do not send "hostages" (businesspeople) into "Muslim" countries (formerly Christian, Buddhist, pagan, Hindu, animist, etc. lands), they cannot threaten your people (the Dutch or Danes, etc.) with such intimidating tactics whenever you exercise your freedoms.
Don't feed the smiling crocodiles.
Good sign to post at many a border.
at March 22, 2008 9:14 PM
Sheik yer'mami, you're correct, my comment about riots in Muslim countries was a slight knee-jerk.
That said, the real problem for Europeans will be riots in Amsterdam, Paris, Copenhagen, Brussels, London, Frankfurt, everywhere Muslims congregate.
Think of the places where we never hear of Muslim problems such as honor killings or demands for halal this or halal that. Poland, Czech Republic, Slovakia, the Baltic States, is it my perception or are there no Muslims in those places? Could it be a lack of news coverage?
Posted by: Pelayo at March 22, 2008 9:35 PM
Pelayo,
I didn't see it until a about an hour ago. I posted a response on the thread.
Thanks,
Ralph
Posted by: RalphInfidel at March 22, 2008 10:07 PM
Posted by darcy:
Ralph, you mean the famous Stockholm Syndrome, in which captives begin to identify with their kidnappers?
Kinda, sorta. Only he was probably indoctrinated by his parents or by attending a mosque, or both.
Posted by: RalphInfidel at March 22, 2008 10:17 PM
""The government could really do something. That's in the interest of the country — stop him, just stop him," said Hassan Iaeti, who traveled hours from the far south of the country to attend."
These screwballs simply can't grasp the principles involved here. If the government did something that was really in the interest of the country, it would close down every Mosque and expell every Muslim from the country. The only thing that stands betweed them and destruction, are the very freedoms they want to destroy.
How can a people be so irrational as not to understand such a simple concept?
at March 23, 2008 1:05 AM
How can a people be so irrational as not to understand such a simple concept?
Its called economics. The Arabs produce nothing. We provide all their foods and services. We drill the oil and refine it and we built them palaces.
We sell them livestock and mayonnaise, cars and modern weaponry, including fighter jets. All we get in return is Islam and sharia. That's the balance of trade. Western governments are in their pockets and will prostitute themselves not to upset this 'cosy arrangement'. An even better example is the so-called United Nations. Totally corrupt, compromised, bought and sold out to Muhammedan interests.
We need leadership. We need 100.000 Wilders!
Posted by: sheik yer'mami at March 23, 2008 1:27 AM
The protest, called "Netherlands Shows Its Colors," is primarily a reaction in advance to the short film Wilders said he will release later this month criticizing the Koran as a "fascist" book.
The colour is "YELLOW"
Posted by: Dsinc at March 23, 2008 2:34 AM
1000 people - wooooo,IMPRESSIVE!
These cretins aren't the slightest bit bothered about offence to muslims or even violence in muslim countries (yeah, because muslim countries are gardens of peace aren't they?). All they are frightened of is the truth of the multicultural horror that brought Islam to the west being exposed. If the masses wake up to what Islam really is, some people will be in for a very rough ride and their multicultural eutopian fantasy will hit the buffer.
As for calling this display of cowardice "Holland Shows Its Colors" (Colors - how very marxist,no race card being played here), the use of the plural in colors is superfluous. It should be "Holland Shows Its Color" because the only color on show was a giant streak of yellow.
Let's hope the Dutch people find their cojones and show support for the film to be shown.
Posted by: Britannia's Lion at March 23, 2008 7:04 AM
The protest, called "Netherlands Shows Its Colors," is primarily a reaction in advance to the short film Wilders said he will release later this month criticizing the Koran as a "fascist" book.
They certainly have shown their colours. All of them yellow.
Posted by: Spirit Of 1683 at March 23, 2008 7:40 AM
Would people please read about Mohammad. You will understand instantly the conection between him a the Murders who believe him today.
Let Geert get the word out.
Posted by: Ruebacca at March 23, 2008 8:06 AM
This is my first post to your great website. Keep up the good work!
Quote: "You can criticize Muslims themselves, but not their religion and not our prophet — that's our belief."
As a former Muslim, going back many generations, I find this statement to be sheer and utter nonsense.
In every major city in the Western world, these taqiyya Muslims have set up lavishly funded Dawa (Islamic Propagation) Centers promoting and trying to sell their barbaric cult to all unwary and naive consumers. They have dishonestly packaged a shoddy and inferior product under false labels.
When we, in our role of former dissatisfied customers or consumer protection watchdogs, inform the targeted consumers that Muslims are selling a shoddy and inferior product under false advertising, why should these Muslims now be full of pious outrage? It is our duty to tell all potential consumers that what they are buying is not a religion of peace but a cult of death. That what they are really buying is a lemon and not a peach.
Since when is false advertising protected speech?
If Muslims do not want criticism, they should immediately close down all their Dawa Centers and cease their efforts to sell and force-feed their snake oil to gullible consumers. Until they do so, we have every right to expose them for the liars and charlatans that they are.
at March 23, 2008 8:23 AM
Whoa! This first post from a former Muslim deserves re-printing! Oh, and Welcome!
*
This is my first post to your great website. Keep up the good work!
Quote: "You can criticize Muslims themselves, but not their religion and not our prophet — that's our belief."
As a former Muslim, going back many generations, I find this statement to be sheer and utter nonsense.
In every major city in the Western world, these taqiyya Muslims have set up lavishly funded Dawa (Islamic Propagation) Centers promoting and trying to sell their barbaric cult to all unwary and naive consumers. They have dishonestly packaged a shoddy and inferior product under false labels.
When we, in our role of former dissatisfied customers or consumer protection watchdogs, inform the targeted consumers that Muslims are selling a shoddy and inferior product under false advertising, why should these Muslims now be full of pious outrage? It is our duty to tell all potential consumers that what they are buying is not a religion of peace but a cult of death. That what they are really buying is a lemon and not a peach.
Since when is false advertising protected speech?
If Muslims do not want criticism, they should immediately close down all their Dawa Centers and cease their efforts to sell and force-feed their snake oil to gullible consumers. Until they do so, we have every right to expose them for the liars and charlatans that they are.
Posted by: Shafee al-Zindig at March 23, 2008 8:23 AM
at March 23, 2008 10:05 AM
"He said he believed Wilders is abusing the right of freedom of speech, which he said has limits"
- What limits? O_o
Posted by: Rogster at March 23, 2008 11:17 AM
"Netherlands Shows Its Colors"
--------------------------------
They're showing their colors, allright -- COWARDICE!
at March 23, 2008 8:23 PM
"He (Hassan Iaeti) said he believed Wilders is abusing the right of freedom of speech, which he said has limits.
'You can criticize Muslims themselves, but not their religion and not our prophet — that's our belief.'"
Let me see if I've got this staight: we can't criticize your miserable, primitive, craven, backwards, rock-worshipping, life-hating religion and your psychotic, genocidal, pedophile prophet, but we can criticize YOU for allowing this miserable, primitive, craven, backwards, life-hating religion and psychotic, genocial, pedophile prophet for directing your lives?
Got it.
at March 23, 2008 9:55 PM
Darcy:"That protestor has an IQ of about 2. If that."
Snigger. Darcy's hero in the Balkans is an SS recruiter, Izetbegovich.
How does it feel, Darcy, to be a groupie fuckwit for the SS?
Really?
How does it feel?
When you snuff it, can i put "SS slag" on your tomb?
Really? can i?
Are you an SS slag?
Posted by: ewha1 at March 28, 2008 10:31 AM
Oh, dear darcy, i've heard it said that you are full of shit. Is that true? If not, then why is your Balkan hero,
Izetbegovitch, an SS hero?
at March 28, 2008 10:40 AM
Darcy"They are the biggest cowards I've ever seen. To think this is the home of Anne Frank. My God. It's really unbelievable!"
I couldn't agree more Darcy. And to think that Darcy cheered on Izetbegovich, the SS recruiter for the Balkans.
Anne Frank gave her life so that Darcy's heroes could thrive and prosper.
Hey, Darcy, why are your heroes all SS supporters?
Just a thought.
Here's another thought Darcy, ISRAEL was Serbia's biggest arms supplier, Iran was Darcy's Bosnia's biggest supplier.
C'est La Vie. Darcy is an Iranian Stooge, Serbia is Israel's Biggest Ally.
Fuck off Darcy.
Really. FUCK OFF.
at March 28, 2008 11:02 AM
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