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Go to fitnathemovie.com and you get this (thanks to all who sent this in):
This site has been suspended while Network Solutions is investigating whether the site's content is in violation of the Network Solutions Acceptable Use Policy. Network Solutions has received a number of complaints regarding this site that are under investigation. For more information about Network Solutions Acceptable Use Policy visit the following URL: http://www.networksolutions.com/legal/aup.jsp
Now think about that for half a second. How is a site that said only "Geert Wilders presents Fitna, 23 March 2008" in conceivable violation of any acceptable use policy?
Because of what it might say tomorrow, of course. Because of what people are afraid it will say. It's pre-emptive censorship.
UPDATE: Several people have written in to say that the UK site is not a mirror site owned by Wilders, but is a hoax. I'm sorry to hear that.
SECOND UPDATE: I removed the link to the UK site, since its status is now clear.
Posted by Robert at March 22, 2008 7:08 PM
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I've heard the .co.uk site is a fake, but correct me if I'm wrong.
Posted by: DrWolffenstein![[TypeKey Profile Page]](http://www.jihadwatch.org/nav-commenters.gif)
at March 22, 2008 7:13 PM
Yes, I just went there.
Unfortunately, I did not see any way to make your opinion about the movie known. There is no "contact." So, that's that.
I can't even believe this enormous cowardice is happening in the West. I just can't believe it. I feel like crying.
Posted by: darcy at March 22, 2008 7:14 PM
Well, there is one acceptable reason to disable the site and that is that the load on the servers will jeopardize the other websites hosted on that particular server. But somehow I got the feeling that wasn't the real motivation.
Posted by: DrWolffenstein at March 22, 2008 7:19 PM
www.fitnathemovie.co.uk is NOT owned by Geert Wilders, it's just a copy a HOAX!
Posted by: Ferdy at March 22, 2008 7:24 PM
Just in case anyone else encounters this-- I had to reload the page to get the error message. Otherwise I wouldn't have known anything was amiss.
Dr. Wolffenstein-- where did you hear the U.K. site was a fake? Just curious. That would be some unfortunate cyber-squatting.
Posted by: MarisolJW at March 22, 2008 7:25 PM
DrWolffenstein,
You're probably right. On the other hand, Wilders has been planning to release this video clip for a long time. I hope he has planned thoroughly enough to made provisions to bypass the commercial web hosting services if necessary.
Posted by: Eastview at March 22, 2008 7:27 PM
The paranoia, the frenzy, the fear of the Muslims is seen everywhere...watch out for Fitna! A real deep blow to the psyche of the Musselman and a stabbing blow at heart and ideology of Islam. The world as we know it is about to end lets stop it before it comes out!!! All this in the minds of the apologists and Muslims, it seems, and yet we do not know what is even in the movie. Well it goes to show what their real weakness is. Any perceived imaginary or real criticism of Islam weather it be in their minds or the minds of the Free thinking peoples of the world.
Posted by: savsiv at March 22, 2008 7:36 PM
Confirmed. the .co.uk site isnt owned by Wilders. If you WhoIs the .co.uk site you end up with an individual named "Los Bol".
Funny to note is that "Los Bol" in Dutch means "messy hair", a reference to Geert Wilders unusual hair.
Posted by: DrWolffenstein at March 22, 2008 7:36 PM
Then, there is this site -
I can't decide if this site is pro or anti Wilders. It has a lot of Muslim interest advertising.
Posted by: Pelayo at March 22, 2008 7:40 PM
Islam is winning. Funny to watch the cowardly western "men" on bended knee, trembling before their future masters. Prepare to be colonized! What goes around comes around. Get used to it.
Posted by: SmartGrowthAdvocate at March 22, 2008 7:42 PM
I hope the movie will be posted to all video sites available, and to PirateBay, who have some serious expertise in staying up under difficult circumstances.
It's gonna be an excercise in Samizdat (Soviet-time underground publishing), it seems.
Posted by: Henrik at March 22, 2008 7:43 PM
"Los Bol"? likely a Dutch citizen rooting for the demise of his own country.
Posted by: Sounder at March 22, 2008 7:43 PM
Ah yes, the Pirate Bay is very good at deflecting complaints! That would be an excellent site.
I hope that Wilders catches wind of that. Great suggestion. All we need is to get the movie and YouTube won't be able to ban it fast enough.
Posted by: Infidelicious at March 22, 2008 7:46 PM
http://customersupport.networksolutions.com/
This is the email address for Network solutions that I sent an email to weeks ago telling them thank you for being so brave and standing up for free speech......now I sent one telling them that they have cowered down to the enemy and that I was ashamed of them .....
at March 22, 2008 7:47 PM
Another site, claiming it will have the movie:
http://www.fitnathemovie.info/
Posted by: Sounder at March 22, 2008 7:49 PM
Boycott Network Solutions! They charge too much anyways!
I am confident that someone will host the movie. The truth will be told about Islam and its violent passages.
I think the common Westerner has no idea of what toxic stuff is in the Koran. Wilders film will help people to investigate for themselves.
Posted by: James Martel at March 22, 2008 7:51 PM
Wilders said earlier that he would also host the movie on his own website:
http://www.pvv.nl/
.
I suspect that the shutdown of the fitnathemovie-website is a drawback for him, but this is definitely not the only possible way to release the movie onto the web.
.
It is however very untimely that the shutdown of the website should occur now. Because I am expecting the fitna-movie to be released during Eastern - that is: in a couple of hours.
at March 22, 2008 7:51 PM
E-Mule might be a good place to search, beginning next week.
Posted by: Pelayo at March 22, 2008 8:00 PM
"We can no longer remain silent. There is a climate of hate and fear in the Netherlands," said spokesman Rene Danen from anti-racism organization Nederland Bekent Kleur (the Netherlands recognizes colour differences), which had organized the protest.
There should be restrictions on what Wilders can say, said Rieke, a 61-year-old Amsterdam arts teacher who declined to give her last name.
"I think it is embarrassing what Wilders says, for example about tearing up the Koran. It is a very bad example to people to let him say whatever he wants," she said.
Freedom of speech is a foreign concept to these cowards.
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/rtrs/20080322/tpl-uk-islam-wilders-ed79be6.html
Posted by: interestinconundrum at March 22, 2008 8:05 PM
Then, there is this site -
I can't decide if this site is pro or anti Wilders. It has a lot of Muslim interest advertising.
Posted by: Pelayo
I just checked this one out. It does not appear to be anti-Wilders, and has the complete set of clips for "Obsession" and "Submission." All in all, it's worth visiting.
Posted by: Eastview at March 22, 2008 8:06 PM
Just checked out this one, too.
http://www.fitnathemovie.info/
Looks legit enough. I just hope the movie lives up to all the hype.
Posted by: Eastview at March 22, 2008 8:12 PM
Wilders said earlier that he would also host the movie on his own website:
http://www.pvv.nl/
.
Posted by: HP
That site appears to be his party web site and, depending on who hosts the site, the servers might not be able to keep up with the demand. I would imagine that the demand from the Islamic world alone could be substantial, in addition to the demand from the West.
Posted by: Eastview at March 22, 2008 8:21 PM
Even if it's not censored, whatever website takes it will no doubt be brought down by Muslim hackers.
Wilders can't release it on DVD?
Then there's always the transcript.
There are ways to get the message out.
Posted by: PMK at March 22, 2008 8:21 PM
This movie will spread like wildfire once it is released. There will be 1000 mirror sites. I, I mean, nabi ZK, has spoken.
nabi ZK
...believe it this time for sure...
Posted by: zonie kafir at March 22, 2008 8:43 PM
Movie pending. Islamic world waiting in anticipation to see how much revenge there can be. Western world waiting in anticipation to see what revenge is coming.
Posted by: Sounder at March 22, 2008 8:46 PM
I suggest that Mr Robert Spencer should offer Mr Geerts Wilders to show his 12 minutes documentary clip on this Jihadwatch web site.
This will certainly fetch lot of fame and recognition of his valour and courage for Robert. After all he is thirsty for that!
Posted by: A Khokar at March 22, 2008 8:53 PM
AK:
And what are YOU thirsty for?
at March 22, 2008 8:57 PM
I see a cartoon of Mohammad on a flying, woman-face mule, skywriting the warning:
"SURRENDER GEERT!"
Didn't work with Toto, won't work with Wilders.
The ugly truths in the Koran will be exposed.
Until the sleepwalkers in the West wake to their threat.
Posted by: profitsbeard at March 22, 2008 9:06 PM
Given that this short film is only a frank description of the Koran, it’s ironic that it has a hard time being shown since it most probably is no more and probably less damning with the truth than the superb books by Robert Spencer or Ibn Warraq’s “Why I’m Not A Muslim”. Hence, should this film not be hosted out or irresponsible cowardice, all Mr Wilders has to do is to recommend to everyone who wanted to watch this film that he or she please read Mr Spencer’s or Mr Warraq’s books for the same stunning information. I think the imams and Mullahs would rather have the film than this recommendation from Wilders.
Posted by: FM at March 22, 2008 9:14 PM
Eastview,
Indeed it is the website of the PVV, the political party that Geert Wilders founded himself.
.
I agree that the site probably cannot handle the traffic volume needed for doing this properly. So the first hours, maybe days, will be rocky. But then again, the movie will be copied and hosted elsewhere.
.
Bottom line: Once this hits the web, it will stay there...
.
But a grand opening would have been nicer.
at March 22, 2008 9:15 PM
---------------OR----------------
Is this ‘Fitna’ documentary; a quick fame hoax orchestrated by Geerts and his cohorts or what?
If Holland and Denmark can afford freedom of speech and press for Mr Geerts; why can’t they under take the freedom of Electronic media?
After all the entire world knows; what illicit designs are there in the offing.
Posted by: A Khokar at March 22, 2008 9:20 PM
From Network solutions:
Prohibited Uses
. . . material that is . . . defamatory . . . abusive . . . harmful . . . hate propaganda
. . . or otherwise objectionable material of any kind or nature.
Those are the violations of "Acceptable Use Policy or "Terms of Service" used to block or remove anything to which that Moslems object.
AOL, Yahoo, MSN, and Google all fold when Moslem pressure is applied. Of course, Islamic investors in any American organization are "influential" in their policies.
Posted by: unicorns62000 at March 22, 2008 9:27 PM
"a quick fame hoax" --posted above.
Nope, that's Islam. Invented by Mohamet.
Posted by: darcy at March 22, 2008 9:34 PM
Posted by: profitsbeard at March 22, 2008 9:06 PM
[The ***** truths in the Koran will be exposed.]
Dear Profitsbeard and Friends,
Some times ignorance is good thing. When one is not in knowledge of a thing; you wouldn’t be asked about that; but when you know it; then things are totally different.
In the humdrum of ‘Fitna’; Now most of the people know that there is some thing called Quran; which is probably the last message of God Almighty?
Be warned that now you know it and can be asked that why after all; knowing it to be such; an effort was not made to reach forward to accept the Truth? (No creation called a human being is placed as exempt of this)
Our God is a living God; of whom we are His titly bitly creations; Can a creation frustrate the designs of a creator or stay aloof as defiant?
I don’t think so?
Islam and its Holy Book Quran have come to Live; the more you press Islam down; It will spring up like volcanic fountain and erupt back with a recoiling action and it will find a more higher level.
------------------------------------
Love for all, Hatred for None.
at March 22, 2008 10:01 PM
AK:
And what are YOU thirsty for?
(Posted by: PMK at March 22, 2008 8:57 PM)
Dear PMK,
I am thirsty of wellbeing of all my good friends!
------------------------------------
Love for all, Hatred for None
at March 22, 2008 10:12 PM
Khokar, why don't you tell us where in the Koran or ain the sunnah this pathetic slogan of the Ahmaddiya sect "Love for all, Hatred for None" can be found?
at March 22, 2008 10:24 PM
..and why is Islam the only major religion which does not have some form of The Golden Rule?
Posted by: Brett_McS at March 22, 2008 10:26 PM
Khokar is completely irrelevant.
Posted by: Sounder at March 22, 2008 10:39 PM
Yes, Khokhead is completely irrelevant - except that he and his ilk are winning this fight.
As he says...'Some times ignorance is good thing.' The mantra of the Islamist...against us.
Fight on Geert!!!!!!1
Posted by: mepeteart at March 22, 2008 10:55 PM
Khokar-
Nothing will hide the truth about the pedophile "prophet" Mohammad or his homicidal movement for global domination and human enslavement to his 7th century superstitions.
Sorry.
His "love" is a little too fatal.
Ask Asma Bint Marwan.
Posted by: profitsbeard at March 22, 2008 11:28 PM
"Funny to watch the cowardly western "men" on bended knee"
Well someone had to bend over to collect the hundreds of adrenaline syringes which littered the jihadist corpses in Fallujah. Even ardent fanatics need an edge,thought you would have figured that out by now. And yes what goes around does indeed come around and the world is fed up being f****d with for 1350 years simply for not "bending" another knee- one toward a lunar deity revered by the ancient Mesopotamians then repackaged along with elements of Christianity,Judaism,Zoroastrianism,by a self serving nomadic desert warlord.
Revelation 20:10-"The devil who led them astray was hurled into the pool of burning sulphur,where the beast and the false prophet had also been thrown."
Posted by: kafir world at March 22, 2008 11:44 PM
Or you could try this address: webmaster@Network Solutions.com and ask them if cowardice is a copre company value.
at March 22, 2008 11:58 PM
You can contact Network Solutions at:
customerservice@networksolutions.com as well as at the website
under help there is a contact form. I wrote:
Subject: For Legal Department
To Those Whom It May Concern:
I tried to get up on the site
http://www.fitnathemovie.com/ to see if
the movie had finally been posted, and there is a
notice that the site
is under investigation. Are you kidding?! That site
did NONE of the
items listed under your "narrow range" of misuse! As
far as I know
Network Solutions is in the United States of America
and free speech
continues to reign. How can a site that has a graphic
and says,
"Geert Wilders... FITNA... Coming Soon" be a problem?!
Even when
the film is posted it will not be "contrary" to your
"narrow range" of
misuse. I hope Wilders sues you!
at March 23, 2008 12:28 AM
Here is the URL of the movie:
http://www.themoviefitna.com/?page_id=25
Posted by: Mr.Brooks at March 23, 2008 1:02 AM
Actually, Robert, I was just re-reading your post and I noticed that you inaccurately described the fitnathemovie dot com site. It didn't give the date of March 23, 2008. That's from the UK site that is possibly, but not necessarily, a hoax. (It could be the messy-haired one himself, after all, although I admittedly think that's a long shot). I copied the static website image to my own rig a couple weeks back, so I'm certain the original site merely said, on the same Koranic wallpaper as used on the "hoax" site, "Coming Soon." To be precise, it said, GEERT WILDERS PRESENTS FITNA: COMING SOON.
That's it. That's the entire content that Network Solutions is investigating for terms of use violations.
I know I'm not the only one who'd like to know what's really going on.
HAID
Posted by: Haid Dasalami at March 23, 2008 1:45 AM
I can't decide if this site is pro or anti Wilders. It has a lot of Muslim interest advertising.PelayoPosted by: Pelayo at March 22, 2008 7:40 PM
This is a common problem with pages that have the words 'Muslim' or 'Islam' occuring a lot - when they use Google Ads, they end up getting these Muslim dating sites. For instance, recently, Debbie Schlussel pointed out that she gets these a lot:
Occasionally, I get e-mails from you complaining about Muslim ads on this site and calling me a hypocrite. Most of these ads promote Muslim singles or dating. I assure you, I DO NOT WANT THESE ADS ON MY SITE. I do not want to help them in any way, nor--since most of them are dating sites--do I want to help them multiply.So don't conclude anything about the site from these ads.
The problem is, these ads are generated by Google Ads, which posts ads on my site in response to key words in my text. When I write about Islam or Muslims, the ads pop up. I don't always see them, but when I do, I and my webmaster report them to Google Ads and ban them from this site. Unfortunately, as many as we ban, there are so many more with different names and URLs that pop up. And, like I said, we don't always see them.
So, I need your help. If you see a Muslim ad pop up on this site, please note the name on the ad and click on it--then note the URL to which it takes you. Then, please e-mail me both of those items--the name of the ad and its corresponding URL/domain name. As soon as I get them, I will ban them.
JW obviously doesn't operate on ads, but if it did, the way I'd do it is ban the usage of the words 'Muslim' and 'Islam', and replace them with 'Mohammedan' - maybe have an auto-correct software that automatically corrects a post once it's posted, so that these banned words never appear. Aside from the usual effect of pissing of Mohammedans, it would also not trigger the Muslim dating ads. (Also, chances are that if it did, Mohammedans themselves would protest and get such associations removed).
Posted by: Infidel Pride at March 23, 2008 1:46 AM
I'm offering a server in Switzerland, entirely dedicated to the publication of Wilders' film. The machine is ready, empty, online. If a couple hundred people do the same, nothing will be able to prevent the diffusion.
Posted by: ajm at March 23, 2008 2:52 AM
Wouldn't it be incredibly ironic if the subject matter of the movie centered around the suppression of free thought and the communication of ideas in Islam, and didn't hint at anything else? It would be a stunning blow to those who are working to prevent its release.
In any case, these people who have become rabid in their efforts to quash the film obviously have absolutely no grasp of how the internet works. All Mr. Wilders has to do is upload the film once to any torrent site, and it's done.
Posted by: ixysi at March 23, 2008 3:13 AM
Those torrent sites belong to companies, who will receive thousands of complaints and threats. They probably already have. They can suppress all copies of a film in minutes.
Anyway, my server is up and running: http://www.ajm.ch/wordpress/?p=1025
Posted by: ajm at March 23, 2008 3:24 AM
Posted by: sheik yer'mami at March 22, 2008 10:24 PM
I did reply your query at another place but I am sorry you missed it. Any how:-
Dear All,
LOVE FOR ALL, HATRED FOR NONE
I believe in the Truth of the Last Message of Almighty; our living God; which is universal and for the whole of the mankind. It confirms all the old true denominations along with their prophets (peace be upon them all). It contains the commandments duly reformed, upgraded and offering the best of the solutions for the peace and harmony for the people of today on this planet Earth. All the previous prophets came as Sheppard of their individual flocks. They all have prophesised the coming of the Last Prophet (pbuh) with a universal message; which is now with us, as the Holy Book of Glorious Quran.
This latest Word of God is the source of blessing for the whole of the mankind. This is a treasure lying out there and it will not be fair that it is not shared or delivered to all the fellow human being that I find them immersed and drowned in ignorance, lust and leisure. They are pursuing their rapacious greed and have since wronged their souls. The entire planet is infested with hypocrisy, oppression, deceit, subjugation and deprivation. The whole of mankind is suffering and is laid divided into have and have not. This planet is in dire need of ‘Love’ and ‘Absolute Justice’ in the light of God’s Latest Message; and this planet can only be rescued with; ‘Love for all, and Hatred for None’.
I feel like filling the entire stratosphere above the surface of this planet with love and devotion. The compassionate and loving people have to come forward. Any body may teach but ‘we learn only from those we love’ says Johaan Von Eckerman, and ‘where there is love, no room is too small’; says Talmud.
We all have to strive very hard that this message of God reaches all the Joes trekking in the streets. ‘For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every truth there is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a heart somewhere to receive it;" says Ivan Panin.
Our God is the most Compassionate, Gracious and loving God. He is in love with the His creature; and the human beings is the best of his product. Being in Love and having finalized the religion for us all; He also admonishes the believers more firmly to reverence their God and His Law; lest they are detracted and become the recipient of wraths, like the old arrogant peoples which He does not want to exercise at this stage. We are going through an age of advancement in Love and devotion extended toward our most ‘Beneficent God’. It requires an utmost care and full submission in totality. In a race; when nearing and leaping for the final bounds; ones flimsy wavering may not be acceptable.
I know that theses strong admonishing quotations found in Holy Quran are some times hijacked on purpose and are misquoted out of context to malign this ‘Message of Love’. But these misappropriate; they may not be aware of it that; while deep in love; the love demands the deeper devotions.
You need to be in it; to win it.
------------------------------------
Love for all, Hatred for None
at March 23, 2008 3:57 AM
Posted by: sheik yer'mami at March 22, 2008 10:24 PM
I did reply your query at another place but I am sorry you missed it. Any how:-
Dear All,
LOVE FOR ALL, HATRED FOR NONE
I believe in the Truth of the Last Message of Almighty; our living God; which is universal and for the whole of the mankind. It confirms all the old true denominations along with their prophets (peace be upon them all). It contains the commandments duly reformed, upgraded and offering the best of the solutions for the peace and harmony for the people of today on this planet Earth. All the previous prophets came as Sheppard of their individual flocks. They all have prophesised the coming of the Last Prophet (pbuh) with a universal message; which is now with us, as the Holy Book of Glorious Quran.
This latest Word of God is the source of blessing for the whole of the mankind. This is a treasure lying out there and it will not be fair that it is not shared or delivered to all the fellow human being that I find them immersed and drowned in ignorance, lust and leisure. They are pursuing their rapacious greed and have since wronged their souls. The entire planet is infested with hypocrisy, oppression, deceit, subjugation and deprivation. The whole of mankind is suffering and is laid divided into have and have not. This planet is in dire need of ‘Love’ and ‘Absolute Justice’ in the light of God’s Latest Message; and this planet can only be rescued with; ‘Love for all, and Hatred for None’.
I feel like filling the entire stratosphere above the surface of this planet with love and devotion. The compassionate and loving people have to come forward. Any body may teach but ‘we learn only from those we love’ says Johaan Von Eckerman, and ‘where there is love, no room is too small’; says Talmud.
We all have to strive very hard that this message of God reaches all the Joes trekking in the streets. ‘For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every truth there is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a heart somewhere to receive it;" says Ivan Panin.
Our God is the most Compassionate, Gracious and loving God. He is in love with the His creature; and the human beings is the best of his product. Being in Love and having finalized the religion for us all; He also admonishes the believers more firmly to reverence their God and His Law; lest they are detracted and become the recipient of wraths, like the old arrogant peoples which He does not want to exercise at this stage. We are going through an age of advancement in Love and devotion extended toward our most ‘Beneficent God’. It requires an utmost care and full submission in totality. In a race; when nearing and leaping for the final bounds; ones flimsy wavering may not be acceptable.
I know that theses strong admonishing quotations found in Holy Quran are some times hijacked on purpose and are misquoted out of context to malign this ‘Message of Love’. But these misappropriate; they may not be aware of it that; while deep in love; the love demands the deeper devotions.
You need to be in it; to win it.
------------------------------------
Love for all, Hatred for None
at March 23, 2008 4:00 AM
Posted by: sheik yer'mami at March 22, 2008 10:24 PM
I did reply your query at another place but I am sorry you missed it. Any how:-
Dear All,
LOVE FOR ALL, HATRED FOR NONE
I believe in the Truth of the Last Message of Almighty; our living God; which is universal and for the whole of the mankind. It confirms all the old true denominations along with their prophets (peace be upon them all). It contains the commandments duly reformed, upgraded and offering the best of the solutions for the peace and harmony for the people of today on this planet Earth. All the previous prophets came as Sheppard of their individual flocks. They all have prophesised the coming of the Last Prophet (pbuh) with a universal message; which is now with us, as the Holy Book of Glorious Quran.
This latest Word of God is the source of blessing for the whole of the mankind. This is a treasure lying out there and it will not be fair that it is not shared or delivered to all the fellow human being that I find them immersed and drowned in ignorance, lust and leisure. They are pursuing their rapacious greed and have since wronged their souls. The entire planet is infested with hypocrisy, oppression, deceit, subjugation and deprivation. The whole of mankind is suffering and is laid divided into have and have not. This planet is in dire need of ‘Love’ and ‘Absolute Justice’ in the light of God’s Latest Message; and this planet can only be rescued with; ‘Love for all, and Hatred for None’.
I feel like filling the entire stratosphere above the surface of this planet with love and devotion. The compassionate and loving people have to come forward. Any body may teach but ‘we learn only from those we love’ says Johaan Von Eckerman, and ‘where there is love, no room is too small’; says Talmud.
We all have to strive very hard that this message of God reaches all the Joes trekking in the streets. ‘For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every truth there is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a heart somewhere to receive it;" says Ivan Panin.
Our God is the most Compassionate, Gracious and loving God. He is in love with the His creature; and the human beings is the best of his product. Being in Love and having finalized the religion for us all; He also admonishes the believers more firmly to reverence their God and His Law; lest they are detracted and become the recipient of wraths, like the old arrogant peoples which He does not want to exercise at this stage. We are going through an age of advancement in Love and devotion extended toward our most ‘Beneficent God’. It requires an utmost care and full submission in totality. In a race; when nearing and leaping for the final bounds; ones flimsy wavering may not be acceptable.
I know that theses strong admonishing quotations found in Holy Quran are some times hijacked on purpose and are misquoted out of context to malign this ‘Message of Love’. But these misappropriate; they may not be aware of it that; while deep in love; the love demands the deeper devotions.
You need to be in it; to win it.
------------------------------------
Love for all, Hatred for None
at March 23, 2008 4:06 AM
Posted by: sheik yer'mami at March 22, 2008 10:24 PM
I did reply your query at another place but I am sorry you missed it. Any how:-
Dear All,
LOVE FOR ALL, HATRED FOR NONE
I believe in the Truth of the Last Message of Almighty; our living God; which is universal and for the whole of the mankind. It confirms all the old true denominations along with their prophets (peace be upon them all). It contains the commandments duly reformed, upgraded and offering the best of the solutions for the peace and harmony for the people of today on this planet Earth. All the previous prophets came as Sheppard of their individual flocks. They all have prophesised the coming of the Last Prophet (pbuh) with a universal message; which is now with us, as the Holy Book of Glorious Quran.
This latest Word of God is the source of blessing for the whole of the mankind. This is a treasure lying out there and it will not be fair that it is not shared or delivered to all the fellow human being that I find them immersed and drowned in ignorance, lust and leisure. They are pursuing their rapacious greed and have since wronged their souls. The entire planet is infested with hypocrisy, oppression, deceit, subjugation and deprivation. The whole of mankind is suffering and is laid divided into have and have not. This planet is in dire need of ‘Love’ and ‘Absolute Justice’ in the light of God’s Latest Message; and this planet can only be rescued with; ‘Love for all, and Hatred for None’.
I feel like filling the entire stratosphere above the surface of this planet with love and devotion. The compassionate and loving people have to come forward. Any body may teach but ‘we learn only from those we love’ says Johaan Von Eckerman, and ‘where there is love, no room is too small’; says Talmud.
We all have to strive very hard that this message of God reaches all the Joes trekking in the streets. ‘For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every truth there is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a heart somewhere to receive it;" says Ivan Panin.
Our God is the most Compassionate, Gracious and loving God. He is in love with the His creature; and the human beings is the best of his product. Being in Love and having finalized the religion for us all; He also admonishes the believers more firmly to reverence their God and His Law; lest they are detracted and become the recipient of wraths, like the old arrogant peoples which He does not want to exercise at this stage. We are going through an age of advancement in Love and in devotion required to be extended toward our most ‘Beneficent Loving God’. It requires an utmost care and our submission in totality. In a race; when nearing and leaping for the final bounds; ones flimsy wavering may not be acceptable.
I know that theses strong admonishing quotations found in Holy Quran are some times hijacked on purpose and are misquoted out of context to malign this ‘Message of Love’. But these misappropriate; they may not be aware of it that; while deep in love; the love demands the deeper devotions.
You need to be in it; to win it.
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Love for all, Hatred for None
at March 23, 2008 4:34 AM
Me thinks we have a hairy troll that needs to be ejected at once...
Posted by: sheik yer'mami at March 23, 2008 5:27 AM
This isn't a shock really. I just wonder of the complaints to NetSol have come from muslims or from our marxist-liberal comrades - maybe even from positions of public service? After all it is in their interests as well to silence Wilders. Food for thought.
Wilders has to use as many options as he can: dedicated servers, torrent sites, pirate tv and film sites and of course, established nationalist and anti-jihad sites who would like to support Wilders and show his film. Anything and everything to get this film shown.
Also, can I please ask for this troll to be banned and let's not feed him?
Posted by: Britannia's Lion at March 23, 2008 6:50 AM
Must we be subjected to FOUR successive and identical postings of A Khakar's proselytizing on this site? Even one is one too many.
Posted by: Eastview at March 23, 2008 7:09 AM
To A Khokar and others:
Below is a link to the 76 "love" verses in the Quran; Read them and see for yourselves how those verses demonstrate the Quran contains at best a superficial awareness of love.
A Khokar, you speak of "love" in Islam. I did a database search for all verses in the Quran that use the word love. I used the three Quran translations in the University of Southern California´s Muslim Student Assocation´s Compendium of Muslim Texts. Any time at least two of the three translations of a Quran verse used the word love, I included the verse in my list of love verses. There are 76 such verses in the Quran, out of a total of well over 6000 verses in the Quran as a whole.
Having read those 76 verses, to which I´ll provide a link, your professions of all-encompassing love seem bizarrely unrelated to Islam. Here´s why:
One thing one notices in reading the 76 verses, is that only one or two focus on love itself. Almost all of them are concerned with what Allah either loves or does not love. The impression created is of a list of behaviors one should adopt to avoid incurring the wrath of a despot.
Seen grammatically, this absence of attention on love as a phenomenon in itself manifests in the fact that only one or two of the 76 verses uses the word "love" as a noun. Even those verses manifest no profound or deep doctrine of "love." In fact, in most cases, the use of the word love in the Quran seems hardly distinguishable from the word "like", which often appears as an alternative translation.
Here then is a link to every Quran verse that mentions the word love. People can fairly quickly read for themselves, apart from your bloviating about "love," the superficial doctrine of "love" contained in the Quran.
To see how "loving" Muhammad was, do check this very clear presentation out, too. All its sources in the Quran and canonical hadiths are provided so you can check their validity for yourself (assuming you really care at all about such concepts as "validity").
Posted by: traeh at March 23, 2008 7:39 AM
I suspect that what Network Solutions call 'complaints' are in fact death threats.
Posted by: johndoe at March 23, 2008 8:02 AM
Me thinks we have a hairy troll that needs to be ejected at once...
Posted by: sheik yer'mami at March 23, 2008 5:27 AM
Really. Esp. as no one is bothering to read his drivel (nonsense).
at March 23, 2008 9:29 AM
The similar .co.uk site has turned out to be a hoax making fun of Wilders' inability to get the movie published.
I think we need the movie out fast, by any means possible, be it YouTube, PirateBay, Google Video, independent servers or carrier pigeon (yes, it's doable).
We have waited long enough. Let the Internet hordes do the job.
BTW, for the problem of the ISP taking down the movie, I have a legislative proposal. ISP's need to be regarded as 'Common Carriers' (the Wikipedia entry on this is usable - see also Network Neutrality), just like telephone and mail companies. This would make it clear that the ISP cannot be held responsible for what is being transmitted through their system, and they would have no obligation to take down controversial contents, except of course by a court order.
This would be good for all of us.
Posted by: Henrik at March 23, 2008 9:36 AM
I apologise for repetition of the posts.
Some how the server didn’t behave and it went four times.
Sorry for the inconvenience lads
Regards
A khokar
at March 23, 2008 9:43 AM
For the record, I think Pirate Bay just might work really well. They have a great track record for staying up even under intense legal pressure (they're in Sweden), and surely could handle this movie. Being a BitTorrent tracker, it scales incredibly well, too. The fact that it's mostly used to pirate Britney Spears' latest comeback single is the least of our concerns at the moment.
I think it's perfect for this situation.
Posted by: Henrik at March 23, 2008 10:06 AM
Dear Muslims, you have too many gods, though the translators try to hide it.
I propose striking Ar-Rahman and Ar-Rahim from the opening stanza of every sura in the Quran. Sura 9 already ditched it, but you need to correct the rest of them.
Posted by: Henrik at March 23, 2008 10:27 AM
From a BBC report:
'the site was suspended until it was established whether the content of the site violated Network Solutions terms of acceptable use.
They include "material that is obscene, defamatory, libellous, unlawful, harassing, abusive... hate propaganda" and "profane, indecent or otherwise objectionable material of any kind or nature".'
And this from a provider that hosts Hizbollah.org and numerous porn and gambling sites.Shame on these hypocrites, traitors and cowards!
Posted by: johndoe at March 23, 2008 10:53 AM
The Jihadists did not seem to have a problem posting their beheading, execution and general mayhem clips, fully supported by that book of 'peace' the Quran. Obviously there is one law for muslims and one for the infidels. There again in Shariah we knew that anyway, just that now they do not want everyone else to know it by supressing the truth.
Network Solutions please change you name to Network Problems as you are no longer part of the solution but the problem! At least you will be able to sleep soundly in your bed...for now anyway.
Terror and intimidation 1, free speech/freedom and democracy 0.
Posted by: James at March 23, 2008 10:54 AM
Infidel Pride, that was very informative. I had no idea that ads were automatically placed based on key words. So it's not content, just key words.
I have seen a technical paper on concrete and radiation shielding cited as a pornographic document because of a key word - penetration.
Posted by: Pelayo at March 23, 2008 12:19 PM
Dear Treh and Friends,
Love of Jesus in the Air
When ever we talk about Jesus (as); the phenomenon of love fills the air and famous verses come in mind, like; ‘God is all but Love; love thy neighbour, Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who abuse you. If anyone strikes you on the cheek, offer the other also; and from anyone who takes away your coat do not withhold even your shirt’.
Jesus came as reformer of Israelite. The reformers are supposed to be on special mission. When we say that Jesus under took a special mission of spreading love with in the fabric of society and to make them humble. That means that there was a dire need to soften up the hardened hearts and mind of Israelite. There was also a need of soothing and consolatory commandments; thus to create and call back the atmosphere of love and affection in the society. We also need to know the back ground of this Israelite predicament.
We know that how badly the Israelites were being treated earlier under Pharaohs in Egypt. They were terribly being persecuted. Life was but a misery. They were tied into shackles of bondage and miserable slavery with no respect and self pride. Israelite were treading the life of destitute and had become low of the low.
But soon after departure from Egypt Moses had to under take special reconciliatory cadres of his beleaguered nation to inculcate self pride and restore grace and respect in them. In order to accomplish this; where God Almighty bestowed them with numerable larges and blessings and provisions of ‘man-o salva’ etc; some very special commandments were also enforced. The commandments of Exodus 21; 22-25, ‘Wherever hurt is done, you shall give life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burn for burn, bruise for bruise, wound for wound...’ were the order of the day and remained in vague after that.
These practices over a period of very long times have helped Israelite to recover their self respect and self pride but have also made them arrogant and had hardened their hearts. God did punish them also but they failed to reconcile and mend their behaviour.
So there arose a need that a reformer must come in to humble them; and there came the Jesus; a humble conciliatory man to rekindle the love and affection among Israelite. But we know Israelite behaved badly and they put him on the cross to die a humiliating death. Sad…Very sad!
Well since God Show must go on; when Jesus went off the scene; after a lapse of some 600 years; God wanted to complete the religion of Abraham and finally sent Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) and made him the source of all the blessings to follow there after. God gave him the book of Holy Quran for the guidance of mankind for rest of the time to come on this planet.
It is but obvious that now when the rein of religion is in the hands of Muslims; Holy Quran admonishes them very vehemently to stick to the commandment of Quran. Quran times and again warns them not to act like Jews or Christian or other previous defunct denominations; lest they be punished very severely**.
I hope this will suffice for the time being and must have helped remove some delusion if at all you had?
Regards-A Khokar
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Love for all, Hatred for None
(** These admonishing commandments are the matter of contentions that we keep on juggling about most of the times…while in ignorance.)
at March 23, 2008 12:27 PM
Just checked youtube to see if "fitna" was out. Someone has called for people to upload as many videos as they can, all with the word "fitna" in the title. Presumably this is so that when you search for it, you won't find it if it's there because you'll get tired of sifting thru the results. lol
Posted by: gymgal at March 23, 2008 1:26 PM
gymgal - If you check youtube you will see that the first ten pages, at least, have been used by the same "wildersss" and "Geertwilders" to post their message about "Sorry, the movie is.... "
They must have spendt the whole day posting the same drivel over and over and over to block those looking for fitna.
They had at least one hundred posts of the same thing. No need to click. They are desperate to stop it. Will they be banned for a violation of terms of use?
Posted by: Borg at March 23, 2008 1:53 PM
I would suggest to anyone here who has a network solutions account (as I do) they they make a complaint. I put mine in just a few minutes ago.
Posted by: Jerry M at March 23, 2008 2:54 PM
To A Khokar,
What´s Love Got to Do--Got to Do with it?
Below, from the most respected hadith traditions (Bukhari) are three cases where Muhammad commands death to apostates from Islam. I´ve also got one from Abu Dawud, another respected hadith tradition.
If something appears in Bukhari even once, mainstream Islam gives it great authority. But the fact that the death penalty for apostasy appears several times in Bukhari and elsewhere means that mainstream Islam considers it a certainty. Thus all the four main schools of Islamic law, as well as the four Shite schools, prescribe the death penalty for apostasy. Is that how you define "loving" Khokar? I call that criminal. And perhaps you are from hell, but pretending to be from somewhere else.
Below are the four hadiths, but there are many other instances of totalitarian and violent commandments in your religion, and until you disavow those elements (supremacism, jihad, Islamic law) of your faith, as far as I´m concerned you are part of a criminal enterprise, and your talk of "love" smells nasty:
Narrated 'Abdullah:
Allah's Apostle said, "The blood of a Muslim who confesses that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that I am His Apostle, cannot be shed except in three cases: In Qisas for murder, a married person who commits illegal sexual intercourse and the one who reverts from Islam (apostate) and leaves the Muslims."
Narrated 'Ikrima:
Some Zanadiqa (atheists) were brought to 'Ali and he burnt them. The news of this event, reached Ibn 'Abbas who said, "If I had been in his place, I would not have burnt them, as Allah's Apostle forbade it, saying, 'Do not punish anybody with Allah's punishment (fire).' I would have killed them according to the statement of Allah's Apostle, 'Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him.'"
Volume 4, Book 52, Number 260:
Narrated Ikrima:
Ali burnt some people and this news reached Ibn 'Abbas, who said, "Had I been in his place I would not have burnt them, as the Prophet said, 'Don't punish (anybody) with Allah's Punishment.' No doubt, I would have killed them, for the Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him.' "
Narrated Uthman ibn Affan:
AbuUmamah ibn Sahl said: We were with Uthman when he was besieged in the house. There was an entrance to the house. He who entered it heard the speech of those who were in the Bilat. Uthman then entered it. He came out to us, looking pale.
He said: They are threatening to kill me now. We said: Allah will be sufficient for you against them, Commander of the Faithful! He asked: Why kill me? I heard the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) say: It is not lawful to kill a man who is a Muslim except for one of the three reasons: Kufr (disbelief) after accepting Islam, fornication after marriage, or wrongfully killing someone, for which he may be killed.
I swear by Allah, I have not committed fornication before or after the coming of Islam, nor did I ever want another religion for me instead of my religion since Allah gave guidance to me, nor have I killed anyone. So for what reason do you want to kill me?
at March 23, 2008 3:17 PM
Prague- The Czech extra-parliamentary nationalist National Party (NS) has offered its foreign server for the release of the controversial anti-Islamic film of Dutch ultra-right MP Geert Wilders, the NS announced on its website today.
http://illustratedpig.blogspot.com/2008/03/prague-czech-extra-parliamentary.html
Posted by: Shiva at March 23, 2008 4:47 PM
This is part of a larger organized effort by dhimmis to express thier "sorrow" for such blatant non-subserviance.
http://www.alarabiya.net/articles/2008/03/20/47217.html
at March 23, 2008 5:35 PM
This is part of a larger organized effort by dhimmis to express their "sorrow" for such blatant non-subserviance.
http://www.alarabiya.net/articles/2008/03/20/47217.html
at March 23, 2008 5:36 PM
Posted by: Henrik at March 23, 2008 10:27 AM
Dear Henrick,
By whichever name you call on Him, His are the most beautiful names.
[2:164] And your God is One God; there is no God but He, the Gracious, the Merciful.
[17:111] Say, 'Call upon Allah or call upon Al-Rahm›n, by whichever name you call on Him, His are the most beautiful names.'
[59:25] He is Allah, the creator, the Maker, the Fashioner. His are the most beautiful names. All that is in the heavens and the earth glorifies Him, and He is the Mighty, the Wise.
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Love for all, Hatred for None
at March 23, 2008 5:44 PM
A clever dutch woman checked some other sites hosted by Network Solutions. Turns out they seem to have no problem hosting Hizbollah.org or IslamOnline.net!
So if you mail NS politely ask why they have nog problem with that.
at March 23, 2008 5:53 PM
Dear Traeh,
This question pertains to Islamic Jurisprudence which used to help to set up the legal system in the light of Commandment of Holy Quran, other revelations and advice of Legislative Bodies gathered to set the law for the masses. The details of law so formed in the light of Holy Quran and consultation of Legislative Body used to be announced for the public by the Holy Prophet (pbuh).
In case of any social crime or transgression, if death penalty was awarded or ordered; so what and what is the issue? There is nothing unusual. Death penalty awards are the common practices of the Courts even today in the world in all the countries including USA and in UN International Courts.
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Love for all, Hatred for None
at March 23, 2008 7:13 PM
In case of any social crime or transgression, if death penalty was awarded or ordered; so what and what is the issue? There is nothing unusual. Death penalty awards are the common practices of the Courts even today in the world in all the countries including USA and in UN International Courts.
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Posted by: A Khokar
Khokar, are you serious? Culturally-sanctioned death penalties in most civilized countries are reserved for murder and other acts of extreme physical violence. Your implied equating of these with non-violent acts of conscience such as apostasy is one of the many reasons civilized people are turned off by Islam. The Church used to engage in this kind of thing, too, although never on the scale of Islam, but the West abandoned these barbaric practices centuries ago.
I realize it's going to be difficult to abandon 1350 years of Islamic self delusions. But the sooner Islam starts rousing itself from its long sleep the sooner can it join the rest of the human race in enjoying the fruits of all the wonderful things that have been discovered (including in the fields of religion and psychology) since Mohammad died.
at March 23, 2008 10:07 PM
Right on Eastview!
The site works if you use the 'www' in the URL.
http://www.fitnathemovie.com/
The crawling and cowering Dhimmis. It would be funny if there was no film after all, if it was just a stunt to get everybody talking.
All freedom starts with freedom of speech. If there is no freedom of speech, there will be no freedom. The Christians and Jews don't riot when somebody makes fun of Christ or Jews. People must learn to be civilized. Rioting MUST not be tolerated.
That'll be great if there's no rioting, how very mature that would be. Geert Wilders is a hero telling the painful truth. Definitely show it in Denmark ASAP.
.
absurd thought -
God of the Universe says
let yourself be bullied
never shoot rioting thugs
let them threaten you at will
.
absurd thought -
God of the Universe says
appease religious wackos
even those like Nazis
NEVER point out their faults
.
http://www.fitnathemovie.com/
at March 23, 2008 10:58 PM
Right on Eastview!
The site works if you use the 'www' in the URL.
http://www.fitnathemovie.com/
The crawling and cowering Dhimmis. It would be funny if there was no film after all, if it was just a stunt to get everybody talking.
All freedom starts with freedom of speech. If there is no freedom of speech, there will be no freedom. The Christians and Jews don't riot when somebody makes fun of Christ or Jews. People must learn to be civilized. Rioting MUST not be tolerated.
That'll be great if there's no rioting, how very mature that would be. Geert Wilders is a hero telling the painful truth. Definitely show it in Denmark ASAP.
.
absurd thought -
God of the Universe says
let yourself be bullied
never shoot rioting thugs
let them threaten you at will
.
absurd thought -
God of the Universe says
appease religious wackos
even those like Nazis
NEVER point out their faults
.
http://www.fitnathemovie.com/
at March 23, 2008 11:00 PM
Right on Eastview!
The site works if you use the 'www' in the URL.
http://www.fitnathemovie.com/
The crawling and cowering Dhimmis. It would be funny if there was no film after all, if it was just a stunt to get everybody talking.
All freedom starts with freedom of speech. If there is no freedom of speech, there will be no freedom. The Christians and Jews don't riot when somebody makes fun of Christ or Jews. People must learn to be civilized. Rioting MUST not be tolerated.
That'll be great if there's no rioting, how very mature that would be. Geert Wilders is a hero telling the painful truth. Definitely show it in Denmark ASAP.
.
absurd thought -
God of the Universe says
let yourself be bullied
never shoot rioting thugs
let them threaten you at will
.
absurd thought -
God of the Universe says
appease religious wackos
even those like Nazis
NEVER point out their faults
.
http://www.fitnathemovie.com/
at March 23, 2008 11:02 PM
Oh God, sorry about that, I didn't mean to post it 3 times, I've been having trouble with my connection.
:(
Posted by: USpace at March 23, 2008 11:04 PM
A Khokar,
I agree with Eastview.
Obviously I was not talking about the death penalty per se.
I was talking about the death penalty given to people because you support that, and because you support the schools of Islamic law, all of which support the death penalty for apostates from Islam.
You and your friends think you know what God thinks. How modest of you! You are SURE a mere book you´ve read, written down by mere humans, entitles YOU to kill those who decide to stop believing in what YOU believe in! How modest of you!
So you have a right to kill people who disagree with you about what God thinks, or who decide He doesn´t exist at all. You ought to be ashamed of the apostasy death penalty, Khokar, very ashamed. It is barbarian and sub-human, and to the extent that you agree with it, you are hardly better than a wild animal, a subhuman beast. I say that not at all as an insult. I mean it as a tragic, cold, clinical fact about your current belief system and what it signifies about your character.
What you know, Khokar, is only a book, not God´s mind directly. The book may contain some elements from God, if He exists, but even if God does exist, your Quran, as with all human creations, mixes in all kinds of imperfect human elements and fantasies. Your responsibility, then, if you are not a mindless brainwashed animal, Khokar, is to distinguish what is good from what is bad in the Quran and in Muhammad´s life. Then denounce the bad publicly, if you have the courage, and follow only the good. But there is much that is bad in the Quran and in Muhammad´s life. Very bad. You ought to be ashamed to be connected with it.
In Eastview´s post, he left out that even though the Catholic Church killed people for apostasy in the past, the church had no justification for doing that in the words or deeds of JC as reported in the New Testament.
By contrast, you and your fellow Muslims, in murdering apostates from Islam, are following your chief exemplar, Muhammad, who many times explicitly commanded the death penalty for those who abandon Islam. See my 3:17 pm post above for citations to some relevant hadiths of Muhammad commanding death to apostates.
There are good elements in Islam, but there are totalitarian and evil elements that are currently very active, and that people like you need to publicly disavow and deny. If you don´t publicly denounce those elements, then as a Muslim you are complicit in the active evils involved, and as time goes by, you will have less and less excuse for your ignorance, and it will be harder and harder to distinguish you from a willing member of a criminal organization. Your words of "love" have about the same affect as if a gentle member of the Mafia came along and started talking love, but refused to publicly denounce or admit to the Mafia's policies of murder and extortion.
Posted by: traeh at March 24, 2008 6:39 AM
Dear Eastview, Traeh and Friends,
Judaic, Christian or the Muslims; they all originate from the same area- Middle East. Although they have also been able to migrate to far off lands to settle but their hub of attention remain the same. Invariably all of us like to relish and circuit around, our common main hub and origin…Palestine. Our common religion the religion of Abraham is not very old and has a history of some 6000 years only. From Abraham* to Moses*, to Jesus* the religion selected by God for mankind is now down to Muhammad*. All the prophets as per God’s plan have duly been imparting their teachings to raise the status and level of conscious of their peoples to bring them from lower to higher degree till it has reached now at its summit… Islam.
Killing of persons on (seemingly) silly charges has been a common punishment in the culture of our predecessors. To keep the society in tact and maintain peace and order in the society the Legislative Bodies of the time have been prescribing comparatively harsh punishments like death penalty or killing by stoning for petty social crimes; for instance; working or gathering even wood for fire on Sabbath day, adultery, fornication, trespassing or switching loyalties, apostasy etc, etc were dealt with severely by death penalty. The religion, where it has been imparting the awakening educations has also been alleviating the peoples step by step of oppression, hunger, slavery and discrimination.
Islam gave the Golden Rules for the civilised world, centuries ago; [5:33] ‘…that whosoever killed a person - unless it be for killing (murder of) a person or for creating disorder in the land - it shall be as if he killed all mankind; and whoso saved a life, it shall be as if he had saved the life of all mankind.’
There is certainly no place for any coercion in religion of Islam. God Almighty is very clear about it. God says: [2:257] ‘There is no compulsion in religion. Surely, the right way has become distinct from error; so whosoever refuses to be led by those who transgress, and believes in Allah, has surely grasped a strong handle which knows no breaking. And Allah is All-Hearing. All-Knowing!’[6:49] ‘And We sent not the Messengers but as bearers of glad tidings and as Warner. So those who believe and reform themselves, on them shall come no fear nor shall they grieve.’
Having known Islam that it is out there standing as the successor of old denomination. It has come to expose as well as shun the fabrications in the old books and also confirms and validates the truth held by them. Out of sheer envy many activists with their vested interests from the old are some how set to resist it and see their ‘Challenger', the Islam to go down. World wide machinery is seen in operation to oppose and malign it. But Islam is a God’s own design and a polished product; who has ever be able to stand in the God’s ways?
Dear friends; we should worry and care about our ‘present’ and see that where we stand? Our future lies very much in our hands!
We see that phoney war supposedly to fight the global terrorism is on. In order to subjugate the innocent people and grab their mineral assets through fallacy, deceit and persecutions by the western oppressing forces are the orders of the day. The forced depravation imposed through UN sanctions and invasion of sovereign countries on flimsy pretext; the inhalation plans to eliminate the entire generations are the curses of the time.
We should dig down and recognise the Truth and act and adjust our positions accordingly. We should come forward to support the victims and restrict the oppressors from carrying out atrocious crimes against humanity.
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Love for all, Hatred for None
(* peace be upon them all.)
at March 24, 2008 12:37 PM
A Khokar,
First of all, you really don't make much sense, ie., "the inhalation plans to eliminate the entire generations are the curses of the time."
The inhalation plans?!?! What is that?
Second of all, Muhammad himself said "if someone changes their Islamic religion, kill him." So, your perfect man was a perfect barbarian, completely incompatible with our Western ideals of freedom.
Thirdly, the "no compulsion in religion" verse has been abrogated by the ones that say "kill the infidel," so you can quote them all the time, but they don't mean anything.
Finally, Muslims are constantly saying that people pointing out the violence and hatred of the Qu'ran are quoting verses out of context, but it looks like you did so too. The verse you claim as your "Golden Rule" verse 5:33, actually says:
"The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter;"
That's a really nice Golden Rule; it doesn't even resemble the Christian one WHATSOEVER! So, feel free to take your Golden Rule and shove it!
Posted by: Mo Foe at March 24, 2008 2:26 PM
Mo Foe,
A Khokar is actually quoting the Qur'an, 5:32[not the verse that follows], and THEN only that part of the verse that ACTUALLY originated in the Mishna, incorporated in the Talmud!! Muhammad didn't reveal ANYTHING new or transcendant
Posted by: John C at March 24, 2008 5:52 PM
Dear John C and Mo Foe,
Sorry for inconvenience that you had to put some extra effort in tracing the reference number of the verse. In fact there are two rules for quoting the references from Holy Quran. Since all the chapters start with an opening verse (except chapter 9); ‘In the name of Allah, the gracious, the Merciful’ and most of the scholars omit its serial number in count; where as some of the scholars do prefer to count this verse also in serial numbers. I have been counting it as such; so there was one addition in number. This is a well known factor in Islamic Circle but any how next time to make it an international factor I will refer it as one number less. Thanks.
FOE; you may not know what inhalation is; because you are not Palestinian, Iraqi or Bosnian. You are also not in the era of Pharaoh; when Pharaoh decided the inhalation of Israelites by killing all the new born boys of Israelites to finish with the seed which may give a birth to a foretold prophet—the Moses.
It is bit strange for me to note that you were quick in pointing the verse preceding the one I referred and also took the effort to write the lengthy note but failed to see the next actual verse; which I am sure that you knew it very well?
Allah’s instructions to kill a Foe, an infidel while confronting him in the war, by all means is a right command. Our soldiers when confronting enemy in the battle field are suppose to kill the soldiers of opponent forces; because if our soldiers don’t kill; they themselves will be killed.(Kill or be killed)
BTW; what is the issue and why you are so perturbed; After all you don’t present flowers to your foes?
With best of regards
A Khokar
at March 24, 2008 9:08 PM
A Khokar is void of real love, folks, so don't be taken in by his beguilling...
"Dear", and, "Love for all, hatred for none", one liners!
His sweet talk is just a "LINE", so don't fall for this sweet-talken liar.
Posted by: champ at March 25, 2008 3:18 PM
A Khokar,
First of all, you neglected to include the beginning of the verse you quoted as the "Golden Rule." It says that it only applies to the children of Israel.
That doesn't seem to be Muslims to me. Hmmm...
Also, what kind of schizophrenic god would command that if anybody kills one, it's like killing everyone in one verse, and the very next say that people should be killed?
That is one conflicted deity...
Posted by: Mo Foe at March 26, 2008 2:08 AM
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