I think a lot of folks are still confused by the site fitnathemovie.co.uk ... it just isn't the English-launching of the movie.

In fact, fitnathemovie.com was registered to Geert Wilders on 26 Feb, 2008.

fitnathemovie.co.uk was registered to a "UK individual" on 5 Mar, 2008.

Although, if no movie exists, I applaud Wilders genius in the use of minimalism - 100% minimalist.

Posted by: Occupant at March 24, 2008 12:14 PM

The actual release of film (if it exists) would be anti-climactic, but the continued threat of the film's release has spoken volumes already.

Kudos to Geert Wilders. I wonder if Al Qaeda will retract their fatwa against him if the film is never actually released.

Posted by: awake at March 24, 2008 12:20 PM

The movie has alreary appeared. That is, a number of movies have already appeared that do exactly the same thing that Geert Wilders promised his movie would do. They show excerpts from the Qur'an, Hadith, and Sira, and then show Muslim behavior, making the link between the texts (and tenets) and what Muslims say or do.

Even if the movie exists, its value should not be misapprehended. As Robert notes above, the damage to Islam has been inflicted by Muslims themselves. Their attempts to limit the exercise of Western freedom of speech by Western Man in Western countries, should be a permanent lesson. And some of the Muslims are beginning to realize this themselves -- note those Muslims who with pretend equanimity (murderous hatred and fury being controlled) commented on Magdi Allam's public conversion. They are beginning to see that the time is not yet ripe to be as aggressive as they someday will be, if the Infidels continue to diminish in numbers, and the Muslims to gain.

I suspect the movie does exist. But I also think those who expect it to contain something utterly amazing will be disappointed. It doesn't. It contains exactly what you can find, every day at a thousand websites, or find on DVD's. It's merely a matter of what gets attention. And attention, thanks to Muslims, that movie most definitely has got.

Posted by: Hugh at March 24, 2008 12:24 PM

What a good idea. To demonstrate in almost a laboratory fashion that Muslim reaction would be negative even in there was no content to react to. This virtual movie is in many ways more powerful than the real one (and a good example for professors trying to explain some basic concepts of Plato)

Posted by: Jerry M at March 24, 2008 12:33 PM

Virtual popcorn ready.

5-4-3-2-...?

Posted by: profitsbeard at March 24, 2008 12:33 PM

I think I'll wait to hear from Wilders himself rather than the Webmaster at the .co.uk site. It will be an interesting wait. I don't rule out that Fitna actually exists and will be released. As a hoax... too cruel. Many would have been exposed, for the first time, to the rabid violence of the Quran. The revealing of the contents of the Quran and it's link to violence, embraced by islamists, is important and will still need to be done.

The easy victory of Islam (and fear of islamists) over free speech should be startling, horrifying even. Westerners who don't feel that way urgently need to see Fitna. Witness the Quran's hatred and violence and KNOW exactly for what a basic freedom was acquiesced.

Posted by: TallyP at March 24, 2008 12:39 PM

Maybe that was Wilders's point all along, and it is a point well made, made again and again and again.

Indeed. . .this point should continue to be made repeatedly, ad infinitum - especially at the expense of the dhimmified cowards who dare to challenge/limit freedom of expression by attempting to silence Mr. Wilders and all who dare to question the 'peace' of 'submission' in court.

Non-believers must never be compelled to conduct every minutiae of their daily existence through the filter of the religion of perpetual grievance.

Posted by: miira at March 24, 2008 12:45 PM

Perhaps the movie Fitna is about the demonstrations against the release of Fitna. That would really drive the point home and perhaps that why there are delays to the release of the movie.

Posted by: kyros at March 24, 2008 12:46 PM

Wilders should issue same title, same cover, on same web site with Imams preaching in Mosques, nothing more nothing less and no commentary. Would the seething commence?

Posted by: Sounder at March 24, 2008 12:47 PM

You know, I was thinking along this line yesterday as well.

While the point would made, I really hope this is not the situation as it would make Wilders look like a liar and a fake. People don't want to listen to what he has to say anyway, so why have something like this detract even more from the important words he has to say?

I would be extremely disappointed if this turns out to be the case - not just because I wanted to see the movie itself, but disappointed in him as a person.

Posted by: Mo at March 24, 2008 12:47 PM

No movie after all? - Robert, there is a movie called FITNA made by Mr. Wilders. I have seen it. It is not exciting for the JW geeks. In my view, the movie is well done, which depicts Kuran and violence in very graphical fashion that we all know and appear to agree to.

Mr. Wilders told us, he will release it perhaps later, though he has not decided on the date. I hope JW folks will remain patient.

Posted by: MusHuntCowboy at March 24, 2008 12:47 PM

I little reverse Taqiyya action goin on here me thinks, I like it.

Posted by: Stinkyinfidel at March 24, 2008 12:48 PM

That's a good lad. Releasing that film would have caused a war, not sure if you clowns realise that.
Shame though because your lives are void without the film.
Suicide tendencies may overcome some of you. Depression for others. It's like your heart has been ripped out doesn't it?

Posted by: thesaracen at March 24, 2008 12:51 PM

Shame though because your lives are void without the film. Posted by: thesaracen

Go forth and entertain yourself. You guys are absolute pathetic morons don't know when you are coming or going. In case you didn't know, the war is already ON. Don't you threaten us.

Posted by: MusHuntCowboy at March 24, 2008 12:58 PM

"That's a good lad. Releasing that film would have caused a war, not sure if you clowns realise that."

It's because we do realize it that makes it so shameful for Islam.

Posted by: rational at March 24, 2008 12:58 PM

I don't think this will change anything. The Dutch government went into full appeasement mode. The Christians are leading them.

What we have seen is a sorry behavior by our own. Have the ones who should take note on muslim's behavior paid any attention? Over here in the USA - most have not. Most don't even know what is happening over there due to the regular media not saying a peep about it all.

http://www.radionetherlands.nl/currentaffairs/region/netherlands/080324-fitna-wilders-egypt-mc

Posted by: R_not at March 24, 2008 12:59 PM

A great documentary movie could be made about this clever gambit of Mr. Wilders' --a strategem that has exposed Islam's brutal, beastly nature before the reluctant and apathetic eyes of the world.

The film could be aptly be titled "Fitna'd to Be Tied."

Want to see it again?

Posted by: pythagoras at March 24, 2008 1:05 PM

I hope there is a movie.

If not, how about a biography of Muhammed? Factual, using the Qur'an, hadith and sira.

Now that would cause a hullabaloo!

Posted by: tanstaafl at March 24, 2008 1:09 PM

There's a movie plot in this story somewhere. Too bad Peter Sellers is dead. Methinks he would have been a perfect Geert Wilders impersonator. Or maybe Gene Wilder could do Wilders. It all goes back to the hair - in spite of which- the man's a ballsy genius!

Posted by: Jauhara Al-Kafirah at March 24, 2008 1:17 PM

If there is no Fitna movie, the Muslims will make one and blame it on Wilders, just like they added to the MoToons.

Posted by: Tziona at March 24, 2008 1:22 PM

tanstaafl, I agree 100%. If anyone would make an accurate biography of Mohammed, based soley on the Qur'an and more importantly, the ahadith, it would open Western eyes like nothing else could. No commentary necessary; let the director try to make him look glorious before the trenches filled with Banu Qurayza heads. Try to make him look like a loving "husband" as he takes Ayisha, holding her doll (that detail is from the hadith) off to "consumate" their "marriage". Try to make him look like a valiant warrior as he rapes women slaves and tortures prisoners to death. Just show the events and actions and words of his life (according to mainstream Islamic belief), and let people make up their own minds.

Posted by: special_guest at March 24, 2008 1:23 PM

Yes, but Muslim movies are suckworthy endeavors. Just as the forged cartoons were instantaneously proven to be fakes, so will this movie be. Laughably bad. I hope they release it.

Posted by: Jauhara Al-Kafirah at March 24, 2008 1:23 PM

I think it's quite possible (IMO, hopefull) that Mr. Wilders is currently in the process of making yet another film, documenting the world reaction to the mere idea of the Fitna film being released. And here, pythagorus, "Fitna'd to be Tied" would be the perfect title.

Posted by: allahlovesporkchops at March 24, 2008 1:27 PM

If there is no movie, then to the vast majority of infidels, his subtle point will be lost. We don't need complicated triple-reverse-logic schemes, we need clear, unambiguous, and well-documented research on core Islamic beliefs.

Which is exactly why Robert is so incredibly effective in his books.

Posted by: special_guest at March 24, 2008 1:28 PM

A-ha! Perhaps this was the point all along:

The "movie" about Islamic intolerance and violence (and the world's cowering in the face of it) is actually REAL LIFE unfolding before us. We are the spectators and we have been watching the "movie" play out around the world all along. When will "audiences" have enough of this same predictable plot and just "boycott" this charade already?

Siskel and Ebert give the Islam Movie of Real Life two thumbs down!

Posted by: Dumpling at March 24, 2008 1:28 PM

pythagorus, my apology. I went back and read your post again, and realized it was your idea.

Posted by: allahlovesporkchops at March 24, 2008 1:29 PM

The point is in waiting.

Posted by: LazarOfSerbia at March 24, 2008 1:29 PM

thesaracen said:

Releasing that film would have caused a war...

Translation: thesaracen and his buddies have a right to start killing you if you say the wrong words or make the wrong film.

His statement quoted above is a bit too much like telling a woman who is being raped that if she screams for help she will be responsible for making more men rape her. She will be the criminal!

Apparently thesaracen and his buddies have a right to kill you merely for what you say or think or the movies you want to make. After all, the wrong opinions are an act of war against him, as far as he is concerned. He and his buddies prefer to kill the light shed by free debate and open societies. They prefer a closed society, nice and dark, where no questions are permitted on key points. But in continually dark places repulsive and slimy things often find refuge and scurry around. People like thesaracen, sadly, don´t even really know they are working to increase the darkness by shutting down free discussion.

Posted by: traeh at March 24, 2008 1:37 PM

thesaracen wrote:
"Releasing that film would have caused a war, not sure if you clowns realise that."

We realize it, and so does Wilders. His point about Islam's well-documented "peacfulness" and "tolerance" has already been proven even without the film's release.

thesaracen wrote:
"Shame though because your lives are void without the film."

Not true. We have plenty to keep us entertained. Benedict himself, with the public statements he drew from Abdullah regarding the churches in SA was priceless.

His Baptism of high-profile Islamic apostate Magdi Allem on Easter Sunday was an especially nice touch, don't you think?

Posted by: awake at March 24, 2008 1:39 PM

I do agree that even if there is no movie, that Wilder's point-about the irrational reaction of Muslims to even perceived criticism--has been made.

There is another point, though--if no film is ever released, many Muslims will believe that it is their threats of violence, and the cringing response of so much of the West--that prevented its being seen.

Poster MusHuntCowboy says he has seen the film. I hope it exists, and I hope it is released. Also, while its contents are unlikely to be an education for most JW readers, the same is not true of the larger populace of the West, which needs all the information about jihad that it can get.

Posted by: gravenimage at March 24, 2008 1:41 PM

If the war's already on, why are you all talking rubbish on this website. War against who by the way? Against Islam? Do you need me to tell you that you will never win, no matter how many weapons you have, you cannot destroy Islam.
Everyday you see more and more people become Muslim. Everyday more and more people realise that Islam is not what it's made out to be. Unfortunately for you, they far outnumber you and you're like.

Whether they embrace Islam or not, people are realising that there is something special about these people and their religion.
Just like the way the Prophet (pbuh) was attacked by the Quraysh, the people joined him in their thousands.
So if it's a war with Islam, I'm afraid you're not winning.

Posted by: thesaracen at March 24, 2008 1:44 PM

That's a good lad. Releasing that film would have caused a war, not sure if you clowns realise that.

"Say it's a religion of peace or I'll kill you"
the saracen

Posted by: interestinconundrum at March 24, 2008 1:47 PM

If it is true that there never was a movie, that Wilders was simply trying to make a point, I hope he will begin to point this out, point out the violent and hypersensitive reaction of muslims the world over; and point out the cowardice of companies and people in the west.

If he'll do that, and if we also do that, then maybe it will be sufficient to turn the tide and wake people up in the West.

Posted by: PersonOfTheBook at March 24, 2008 1:48 PM

That's a good lad. Releasing that film would have caused a war, not sure if you clowns realise that.
Posted by: thesaracen

I think you are right...You go first, I will follow...

Posted by: duh_swami at March 24, 2008 1:50 PM

I believe it does exist.
If Geert Wilders has not made a movie as he says he has - then of course it will not be released.
This will then be percieved in the muslim world as a victory for islam - and I don't think Mr Wilders would want that.
Having said this, I am still waiting for "Submission Part 2" to be made and released as Ayaan Hirsi Ali stated in the past.

Posted by: Ken CleanAirSystem at March 24, 2008 1:51 PM

lmao

guys, you missed the entire movie. It actually came out.

just take a look around the world, the death threats, protests, threats of Chaos, bombings, attacks and murders...

the movie is being played... in real life...

Posted by: Freedom Rings at March 24, 2008 1:54 PM

@thesaracen

The war of public opinion is being lost by the thin skinned narcissistic reaction of moslims world wide to this as yet un-airing of this film.

What are you afraid of? Could it be the truth? The only ones I see or hear starting a war is Islam. Every brickbat, lie and caracture that your side say is a mirror of yourselves.

You disgust me with your empty threats, bravado and insanity. You day of judgment is coming says the true and living LORD.

John 5:22
And the Father leaves all judgment to his Son,

John 5:26-27
The Father has life in himself, and he has granted his Son to have life in himself. And he has given him authority to judge all mankind because he is the Son of Man.

يوحنا 5:22
والد جميع يترك الحكم لابنه ،

جون 5:26-27
الاب الحياة في نفسه ، وانه قد منح ابنة ليكون في الحياة نفسه. واعطاه له سلطة القاضي الى البشريه جمعاء لانه ابن الانس

PS Your comment was a threat, this is a fact not a threat.

Posted by: Im.mad.as.HELL! at March 24, 2008 1:55 PM

Before release of the film, I think, Wilders is employing an age-old technique to intensify the desire of people to see it. It´s called the tease. The tease is an incredibly powerful, ancient technique of seduction. He is simply letting the anticipation and attention to the movie grow and grow, till the protests and the audience appetite for the film will be maximized and the worldwide awareness as great as possible. Remember, many many people are only just now hearing about the film.

He also may be having logistical difficulties: he is under 24-hour guard and much of the Dutch political establishment is terrified of what the effect will be. Who knows what obstacles are being thrown his way? Given how much is at stake, I wouldn´t be that suprised if some non-Muslim Dutchman assassinates Wilders, God forbid.

Posted by: traeh at March 24, 2008 1:56 PM

"Whether they embrace Islam or not, people are realising that there is something special about these people and their religion."--thesaracen

The embrace of a rotting corpse, sir, that doesn't yet know it's dead, & has always been dead.

Once there was no islam, then there was an islam, then, there wasn't. I like the looks of the future yet to come.

That will be a great day, very special. And islam is no religion--just a system of soul-killing laws dressed-up to look a religion.

Posted by: Emerson Twain at March 24, 2008 2:08 PM

No Movie, no proof, no creditability. Politician crying Wolf. The worst outcome imaginable.

If he has no Movie, he better get one. PRONTO.

Posted by: flowerknife_us at March 24, 2008 2:11 PM

thesaracen said:

...no matter how many weapons you have, you cannot destroy Islam.

Whatever might be in the comments on this thread, the goal of this website is not to destroy Islam. Robert Spencer has made clear repeatedly that his goal is to foster resistance to parts of Islam that run counter to the continued existence of free societies. This site exists to counter jihad and Islamic supremacism, i.e., the subjection of non-Muslims under Islamic law as second-class citizens, as directed by Quran chapter 9, verse 29, and by many other Quran verses, and by canonical hadiths.

Spencer has also made clear he will have nothing to do with the BNP or anything like the BNP. This is not about race. Islam is not a race, and there are many white Muslims.

Posted by: traeh at March 24, 2008 2:19 PM

"the movie is being played... in real life..."

Posted by: Freedom Rings

Exactly! We don't need a movie to be released for a glimpse at the Truth, not when you can view it in real time.

Film or no film - Islams days are numbered, because God will put this evil beast down, all in good time.

Posted by: champ at March 24, 2008 2:22 PM

Im.Mad:
You are correct. But just remember - Satan is like an animal caught in a trap. It howls, bites, snarls and attacks at whatever is convenient because it knows its time is short. Given the fact that the Imam al-Mahdi and "Issa" are - using only the hadiths - the biblical equivalents of the Antichrist and False Prophet, we are dealing with nothing more than pure forces of evil, faced with the certainty of their eternal demise.

It's sad, really.

As deluded as Muslims are by their spiritual poison, I do think that somewhere deep down, at least some of them have realized their fate. Unfortunately, for most, their hearts are so hardened that their implication of the Lord Jesus Christ being the "Dajjal" (or Muslim antichrist/devil) - is of little or no consequence to them. Jesus said that attributing His works to the devil is "the unpardonable sin, in this world and the next" - blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. They are doubly damned by what they do and say.

Posted by: Lori B. at March 24, 2008 2:25 PM

Let us suppose that there is a movie, but not really anything substantive. Its release will then be anti-climatic to say the least.

One option Wilders has to withdraw the movie, stating openly that the threat to Dutch citizens and interests would be so great, particularly one emanating from Muslims in Europe, that even "freedom of expression" needs be sacrificed. As a patriotioc duty to his country, and in deference to repeated "requests" from the Dutch PM and even NATO, he is withdrawing the movie for public view.

Then let the electorate take its natural course.

Posted by: DP111 at March 24, 2008 2:31 PM

Dear saracen,

The war is indeed in progress already, and the battlefront crosses the very being of people such as you, conflicted within and facing contradiction without. Face it, man, while you think yourself the good foot soldier in the way of Allah, your own doubts and insecurities are betrayed by your very presence here; goad us, bray triumphalisticly, proclaim victory in the face of enemies who are hardly vanquished, but who can be seen to multiply by the day -- why trouble yourself? You cannot even convince yourself by what you say. Yet you still insist on giving a truculent retort that is never final or definitive.

I think you need and would benefit from prayers for your soul, that you find peace with yourself and with other men, and that you grow in the love of, and for, God and your fellow man and woman.

Peace to you, Brother, in this season of Passover and the Christian Paschal celebration.

Posted by: John C at March 24, 2008 2:31 PM

The Saracen. We know you live in the West and have a good idea that you live in Britain. Moreover, we certainly know who carried out the 7/7 atrocity in London, and why. We recall British Muslims celebrating the 911 atrocity and glorifying in the mass murder of 3,000 innocents who had harmed nobody. We know what your nightmare vision for Britain is. And it certainly isn't the same as my vision for Britain. My ancestors fought for our freedom in two world wars. And you and your ilk are trying to remove those same freedoms they and their generations fought for, and subjugate us all to barbaric sharia law and impose the most bigoted, brutal, racist, repressive and regressive faith of all upon us - and that is something we won't allow to happen here. You can't lie to us, because we have seen right through you, and know what a nasty piece of work you are. We also know that 60% of 'British' Muslims want all of us to live under sharia - at least those who are being honest about it, and if sharia is what you want, then off you go to Pakistan where you belong, and stay there. We will be much better off without the likes of yourself polluting our soil.

Posted by: Spirit Of 1683 at March 24, 2008 2:32 PM

I tend to think there is a video. Nevertheless, April Fools' Day is technically at the end of March.

Oh, and stop taking thesaracen's bait folks. If he doesn't yet realize that time is running out for the "moderates" to get their dar-al-islam in order, then he has already made his bed with the miscreants that have soiled it ... and they have little use for rational thought.

Posted by: dry_heavz_4_alla at March 24, 2008 2:33 PM

I think the concept of ‘no movie’ could be taken a step further. Every week a fictitious person could claim to release a fictitious quran movie from a fictitious country and expose the madness for what it really is. I’m sure the AP or Reuters would take the bait every time. Besides, it might fun to watch the local rage boys burning faceless effigies while looking for the embassy.

Posted by: PorkChop at March 24, 2008 2:33 PM

By now it must be clear to the dimmest Muslim, that they are not wanted in Britain. Most people who had any sense of honour or shame would leave for their home country if they were so detested. Hindus, Sikhs and any other group would do so, as they have a sense of honour and shame, even though they have just one country to go back to.

So why is it that Muslims still stay here, even though they have a choice of over 50 Muslim countries? Dont the have an shame? The answer is that they see Islam getting stronger in the UK, due to a high birth rate and immigration. In their view, this is a sign that allah looks favourably on their continued Jihad in Britain.

However, Muslims are taxing the noted tolerance of Britain beyond breaking point. Sooner or later, that patience is going to end.

Posted by: DP111 at March 24, 2008 2:40 PM

Becoming friends with you will actually worsen my standing in the west. You're like the trash that no-one wants to know. The garbage of society. I'll call you whatever I want to call you. I don't owe the West anything, I'm here because I have a right to be here. What are you going to do about it?

Oh boy, we have a superior moslem here.
You don't have an inkling who you are referring to as "The garbage of society".
We know you think you have the right to do anything you want to us...kaffirs.
Keep talking, you reveal your true face everytime you do.

Posted by: interestinconundrum at March 24, 2008 2:40 PM

I like the weekly non-movie trailer idea PorkChop, but the EU would probably be quick to create a legal contortion that would ban thinking about making a movie ... or maybe at least CLAIMING to think about making a movie.

Posted by: dry_heavz_4_alla at March 24, 2008 2:43 PM

thesaracen,

You are so convinced of victory for your muslim brothers and sisters. But you miss one little thing.

Saving the planet from you and the virus called islam, will force new strategies which will not include human rights for you muslims. Our law is till defending your rights but that will change. You can emagine what that will be for you and your coward friends. We will throw you out, dead or alive.

I´m absolutely ready to go to work and defend my country if my government ordered me to. You think we are cowards, think of us as tolerant, don't push us over that thin little line that you are balancing on for your own and your people's sake.

Islam is a mental illness!

RayTonic

Posted by: RayTonic at March 24, 2008 3:38 PM

The Saracen's disgraceful posts are great examples of a paedo-worshipper's typical hysterical ad hominem rantings. Rantings that shame this site, irrational, obnoxious rantings that I will not dignify by lowering myself into the sewer.

They speak volumes about Islam and muslims, of that there is no doubt.

Posted by: Britannia's Lion at March 24, 2008 3:39 PM

While it'd be a good joke, there's one reason I don't like the idea of 'no movie':
I hate lying.
Wilders will be personally discredited if there's no movie after all, which would be bad.
But let's see what happens. The PR campaign sure worked out well. Next target date is the court case on the 28th.

Posted by: Henrik at March 24, 2008 3:39 PM

The all-too-frequent mahometan boast of the 'we're here to stay, so you better get used to it' variety brings to mind a portion of one of Hugh's recent posts on another thread:

"When I have mentioned the Benes Decree it is always to point out that the most advanced and civiilized country in Central or Eastern Europe, Czechoslovakia, in 1946, made a decision that its people should never again have to endure the risk to their security that the Sudeten Germans had shown they posed, back in 1938, and 1939, and then during the Second World War. No one of sense objected to the Benes Decree, by which three million ethnic Germans were expelled -- no one of sense then, and no one of sense since then.

This is adduced simply to get people thinking, instead of thinking that "there are certain things that are unthinkable." Nonsense. Was Eduard Benes, was Jan Masaryk, monstrous? Not at all. Did what they did seem, under the circumstances, reasonable because of the German threat? Of course. The attempt of many to stifle discussion of measures of self-defense once deemed appropriate, and unremarkable, should not be quietly submitted to, but ignored."

It needs to be seriously considered, everywhere in dar-al-harb.

Posted by: Infidel33 at March 24, 2008 3:39 PM

He FOOLED us, Jerry! I mean, Robert!

He fooled US!

Posted by: DJM at March 24, 2008 3:40 PM

I think this is an exercise in patience...

The fact that there was a hoax site makes it double good to eventually getting the movie in our hands.

I still expect that to happen.

And I expect commentators, like Robert, to go through the movie and write up a real commentary, like the stuff the MSM will pretend to be doing, and then release it right on the heels of the movie.

I've checked and double-checked my popcorn supply. It's tops. Now, waiting...

Posted by: Henrik at March 24, 2008 3:52 PM

Anyone else having trouble bringing up

http://www.hizbollah.org/

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Firefox can't find the server at www.hizbollah.org.

The browser could not find the host server for the provided address.

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nslookup also says that the site doesn't exist.

Posted by: non-croyant at March 24, 2008 4:01 PM

If there is no movie, then to the vast majority of infidels, his subtle point will be lost. We don't need complicated triple-reverse-logic schemes, we need clear, unambiguous, and well-documented research on core Islamic beliefs.
Posted by: special_guest

I completely agree with this. Most people who follow the news aren't likely to analyze it to the depths that are being done here, or would be done by the likes of a Krauthammer, and would therefore miss the subtle point being made about Muslim rioting. Sure, it's the publicity that's fueling much of this - after all, the documentary Islam: What the West needs to know would serve the same purpose as the Wilder film, but the reason it didn't draw the response that Wilder's is doing is that few have heard about it. It ain't just the publicity that's driving the Mohammedan mobs - after all, Salman Rushdie was a very obtuse writer who had little name recognition before the fatwa that was issued on him.

The other problem with Wilders not showing the film is that if ever he lets out that this is exactly what his strategy was all along, members of the ummah will be thumping their chests screaming victory at having silenced another anti-Islamic voice (regardless of what his explanation is), and the last thing we need is a morale boost to our enemies. Therefore, if Wilders doesn't have anything like a film ready, he should obtain the permission of Greg Davis, Bryan Daly and the makers of the movies Obsession, Submission and any other anti-Islam documentaries out there, and put together something for the audience. Not for our entertainment, or even pedagogical value, but rather to ensure that Mohammedans don't have a victory handed to them on a platter.

Posted by: Infidel Pride at March 24, 2008 4:17 PM

Saracen is free to remain in the UK if he wants, short of overtly anti-social acts, and he is free to excercise his right to be intolerant, or antagonistic to whomever enjoys his disfavor. He has the God-given--God does not play favorites--UNIVERSAL right to speak his mind freely, even obnoxiously; but he does NOT enjoy an untrammeled right to be discourteous, abusive, or impertinent HERE, on this forum.

Posted by: John C at March 24, 2008 4:22 PM

Geert Wilders is free to unveil his movie, extant or not, anytime he sees fit, in order to carry out his "threat."

To paraphrase Voltaire's quip about the existence of God, if Geert Wilders didn't produce Fitna, the Movie, we would have to invent it.

Posted by: John C at March 24, 2008 4:30 PM

Wilder cried Wolf. He needs to point them out or all his efforts, everybody else's around here,not to mention any number of other venues trying to point this issue out, takes a major hit.

The 4th Estate has no right to restrict our Constitutional right to freedom of expression, freedom of thought, and the free exchange of Ideas.

This whole business is a 2 Front war. The Main Muslim Army with the 4th Estate the Skirmishers and Spy's.

Why give them any more Ammunition?

Posted by: flowerknife_us at March 24, 2008 4:56 PM

Truly, this is too important a subject to be a mere joke. I am not aware of any information that would indicate that he's NOT serious about this. With the murders and death threats that have already occurred in his country alone, I think he's quite determined despite the obstacles.

Posted by: allahlovesporkchops at March 24, 2008 5:02 PM

non-croyant, the site was certainly there yesterday. All Arabic, green banner, etc. Wonder if someone took it down?

Posted by: dry_heavz_4_alla at March 24, 2008 5:07 PM

If there is a movie, how long can it take to edit a 15 minute movie? It shouldn't require a cast of thousands, or any sophisticated computer animation graphic effects, to get the message across.

As Infidel Pride said above, there is probably nothing in Wilder's film that hasn't been said in other films ("Submission", "What the West Needs to Know", etc.). It shouldn't require months of study to come up with the appropriate Quranic quotations to prove Wilder's point.

If Network Solutions (and YouTube and others) censors its release, other sites have offered to show it.

If it exists, just release it.

Posted by: special_guest at March 24, 2008 5:13 PM

I just checked youtube, looks like there's something there except I haven't had chance to watch it yet. Parts 1 through 11 of Fitna uploaded 4 hrs ago.

I'm gonna go check it out/

Posted by: gymgal at March 24, 2008 5:13 PM

I just checked youtube, looks like there's something there except I haven't had chance to watch it yet. Parts 1 through 11 of Fitna uploaded 4 hrs ago.

I'm gonna go check it out/brb

Posted by: gymgal at March 24, 2008 5:14 PM

"...no matter how many weapons you have, you cannot destroy Islam." Saracen

Note to Saracen: We won't have to destroy Islam. It is already in the slow process of destroying itself. We're merely trying to help it along. It will take several generations, but eventually the incompatibility of Islam with modern civilization will catch up with it, and it will find no alternative but to ditch it's seventh century concepts. Counting on the appearance of the Mahdi or the Second Coming of Christ or any such Deaus Ex Machina to bail you out may induce you to stall for time, but eventually that excuse will fail, as it always does and has with every millinerian-like cult or movement.

So, why don't you just give it up, already, and come in out of the cold? The world can be a pretty neat place if you decide you want to live in it without constantly bickering and fighting with everyone.

About the bit that there are 1.2 billion Muslims, and the number is growing? Well, so what? There at least 5 billion non-Muslims, and that number is also growing. It is YOU who can't hope to win in any struggle you provoke with this majority.

Posted by: Eastview at March 24, 2008 5:19 PM

I'm thinking this isn't the real fitna, but Robert is front and center in the video!

Part 1 has already been removed, so I assume that the other parts will be gone shortly.

Search under "fitna" by date added.

Posted by: gymgal at March 24, 2008 5:20 PM

"non-croyant, the site was certainly there yesterday. All Arabic, green banner, etc. Wonder if someone took it down?"

I don't think it has been taken down: http://82.137.205.243/

What that does is takes you to the Web server for that ip address. PLESK, whatever that is, gives you an error message because your browser didn't tell it that you were looking for "hizbollah.org." If you could spoof your browser to do that you could probably still get the live Web page.

I think that Network Solutions has changed the DNS records so that they no longer point to the servers in Syria.

In the case of Fitna Network Solutions was charged with registering the domain name AND with hosting the content. That latter element is why you see a message when you try to go to the site of the movie.

Network Solutions does not host the content on the Hizbollah Web site. They only control the way the domain name "hizbollah.org" behaves in the DNS.

Judging from the error messages that we get at the moment, "hizbollah.org," instead of directing to the ip address 82.137.205.243 like it was doing as late as this morning, now points to --- nothing.

There is no DNS record. It's precisely that record that Network Solutions has authority over.

Barring some weird technical failures in the DNS that I wouldn't understand, it seems to me that Network Solutions has decided to no longer provide domain name services for that domain name.

Posted by: non-croyant at March 24, 2008 5:20 PM

I've confirmed that the Hizbollah Web site is still live by running this command:

wget --header="Host: hizbollah.org" http://82.137.205.243

What that command does is requests a homepage located on a Web server being run at ip address 82.137.205.243, and telling that server that I am looking for hizbollah.org. When I run this command I get a Web page with hizbollah content returned to me.

So the site is still live, but the DNS isn't pointing to it. Pointing the DNS to the site is the role that Network Solutions plays in this particular arrangement.

What should we conclude?

Posted by: non-croyant at March 24, 2008 5:56 PM

thesaracen,

Would it suprise you that the Christian faith is winning many more people over then Islam?

Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at March 24, 2008 6:29 PM

Impresive non-croyant. I've copied your post into the newer "Pushing Back..." comments. You should break this over at Jawa Report or LGF.

Posted by: dry_heavz_4_alla at March 24, 2008 7:21 PM

Answer this mu-tubers lies about Islam being a peaceful religion he also states that muslims are innocent victims of then media in genneral and by the film Fitna.

http://nl.youtube.com/watch?feature=related&v=UNWi2FHH8FU

Post comments don't be intimidated.

Posted by: support michael savage at March 24, 2008 8:02 PM

I believe that Fitna was supposed to be released on March 28. I've also heard from other sources that it would be released sometime before April. Since these deadlines haven't passed, I would say it's a bit premature for us to start wondering whether there is no movie, Fitna.

Besides, the more we wait, the more we will see Islam expose itself.

Posted by: The Anti-Terrorism Coalition (ATC) at March 24, 2008 8:13 PM

Geert Wilder should say there was no movie and get all the publicity around the hoax. THEN, a week later release his movie. That would really frack everyone up! LOL

Posted by: James Martel at March 24, 2008 8:40 PM

While I suspect that I would disagree with Wilder on many issues, I have been supportive of his efforts to critically evaluate Islam and I have disapproved of calls to silence him. I find it hard to believe that he would lend his name to a hoax and throw away his credibility just to raise awareness - that sounds more like a stunt by a college kid who stopped maturing in junior high.

The "fake site" explanation sounds more likely or else they wanted just some clever marketing - get people interested in the story of the missing movie only to deliver in the midst of the hype. If it was someone trying to distract people from looking for the movie it will be a massive miscalculation.

Posted by: Saul Wall at March 24, 2008 9:47 PM

There has to be a movie, otherwise people will feel used.

You can't screw around with other people's emotions like that.

Posted by: Voltaire at March 24, 2008 10:10 PM

Its there just downloaded and will seed in torrent
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Q6NQd9F30I&feature=user

Posted by: alsopinion at March 24, 2008 10:13 PM

That would really frack everyone up! LOL

Posted by: James Martel at March 24, 2008 8:40 PM

Your patronage of the new and most improved "Battlestar Galactica" is showing.

Posted by: awake at March 24, 2008 10:20 PM

It doesn't seem to be the real one its too long but still good

Posted by: alsopinion at March 24, 2008 10:33 PM

April Fool's Day would be an excellent release date.

Posted by: dumbledoresarmy at March 24, 2008 10:36 PM

Isn't it out on You tube already ?
See
http://www.youtube.com/user/MovieFitna

Posted by: 6_yr_old_Ayesha at March 25, 2008 2:39 AM

The movie will be released.

Posted by: arjun.sevak at March 25, 2008 3:06 AM

Saracen's inchoate rage is typical of even a moderate Muslim. It has been pointed out by Naipaul as the wild cry of primeval man - a Muslim perplexed by the contradiction of Islam's promise and reality.

"A half-naked, betel-chewing pessimist stood upon the bank of the tropical river, on the edge of the still and immense forests; a man angry, powerless, empty-handed, with a cry of bitter discontent ready on his lips; a cry that, had it come out, would have run through the virgin solitudes of the woods

and from Churchill

How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy

The last, from Churchill, is particulary apt.

Posted by: DP111 at March 25, 2008 12:30 PM

I realize now, that Fitna will likely be released in time for Friday's khutbas, sermons.

Posted by: John C at March 25, 2008 9:25 PM

I complained about this to Network Solutions about 3 years back, with regard to them being the registar of Hizbollah.org, although I threatened to take my business elsewhere, I received the same response pretty much as the author of this article did.

Network Solutions is the registar of Hizbollah.org, not the host, I repeat, not the host, there is a big difference, if you write them and screw that part up, you will be written off as not knowing what you are talking about.

Posted by: BurgerBoy at March 26, 2008 12:07 PM