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Geert Wilders is not alone. I received this email this morning:
Dear Mr. Spencer,Sagunto here, from the Netherlands with a censorship alert.
This morning, I received several messages from the YouTube "service-team" which stated that the videos featuring the documentary Islam, what the West needs to know (with my Dutch subtitles) were removed from my account, due to "inappropriate content" after they had been flagged by some users.
It can't be due to protests from the producers, because I got permission from Mr. Greg Davis to put the vid's with the Dutch subtitles on the YouTube channel.
So I asked them the following question (but up to this moment I received no answer):
"Dear people @ Youtube,
Today I received several messages about the hugely popular documentary "Islam, what the West needs to know", which was apparently removed from my account due to inappropriate content (I have to translate here from the message in Dutch which stated: "ongepast materiaal").
The documentary is almost exclusively based on well known Islamic sources themselves, so you might understand that I'm rather curious as to the reasons why these vid's were removed and what exactly was considered offensive or inappropriate material. Do the people at YouTube consider the Koran/Hadith to be offensive? I think the 44.000 people who saw this documentary would be well served if they knew the reasons behind this decision. I'd like to hear from you."
This is a serious set-back for free speech at YouTube. They apparently have succumbed to islamist pressuregroups.
Kindest regards from Amsterdam
Sagunto
"They apparently have succumbed to islamist pressuregroups." It certainly wouldn't be the first time.
Posted by Robert at March 25, 2008 8:59 AM
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"Islamorealistic documentary" --RS
The new and accurate words - IslamoRealist, IslamoRealistic, IslamoRealism - replacing the stupidly inaccurate "Islamophobia/phobe."
Pass 'em on, people!
I own this DVD. Are the PC Police coming for me even as I write this?
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at March 25, 2008 9:17 AM
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- Patrick Henry
"Those who would trade liberty for security, deserve neither."
- Benjamin Franklin
"The arc of history is long, but it bends towards justice."
- Martin Luther King
Question Authority
Silence = Death
"The revolution will not be televised."
- Gil Scott Heron
at March 25, 2008 9:19 AM
We can't have an open descusion because of fear. Now we see how even a small Muslim minority can cast fear into critics of Islam. In the public realm only the Immam can define Islam. Anyone else get's killed or lives in fear of a knife in the night.
Posted by: Ruebacca at March 25, 2008 9:22 AM
what else is new i wounder how much of utube is owned by muslims as they don't seem to have any problems with pro-jihad vidios
Posted by: crusader at March 25, 2008 9:28 AM
LiveLeak.com
JewTube.com
Muhammadtube.com
Let's make the videos available again, and then worry about DhimmiTube.
at March 25, 2008 9:37 AM
I think the reason your film was censored now because yesterday it was posted as the Fitna film. It was posted by a user Fitnamovie with the description as the Geert Wilders film. They probably then found it on your site. It was posted yesterday and that too has been removed by this morning. I watched the whole film before it was removed.
Posted by: ssrat at March 25, 2008 9:58 AM
Yeah, on a different thread I stated that I noticed youtube was censoring a lot of the stuff I had marked as favorites - basically muslims misbehaving (torture, death chants, pal children being trained as jihadists, etc) or the truth about allah, etc.
While the muslim stuff about us is left alone.
Well, I started marking their stuff as offensive. But, I think what I will do is just not visit youtube anymore.
at March 25, 2008 10:01 AM
An inconvenient truth if there ever was one.
Posted by: Greek Fire at March 25, 2008 10:30 AM
YEs, that's the one I was watching yesterday with Robert in it. The title on it was Fitna Movie, or something like that with Fitna in it. So youtube now just removes them after complaints and doesn't bother to watch whatever they're removing???
Posted by: gymgal at March 25, 2008 10:37 AM
Here is a contact page for Geert Wilders
http://www.groepwilders.com/Contact.aspx
at March 25, 2008 10:53 AM
Please, could someone post a link where the files can be downloaded, so we can re-YouTube them?
Posted by: Henrik at March 25, 2008 10:55 AM
http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/0,1518,543223,00.html
On Saturday, Wilders responded to news that his Web site had been suspended with threats to distribute copies of the film on the Dam, Amsterdam's central square.
"How many ways are there left for me to be worked against?" he was quoted as saying Saturday night by Dutch press agency ANP. "If necessary I'll go hand out DVDs personally on the Dam."
Posted by: interestinconundrum at March 25, 2008 10:57 AM
Google Video is standing.
Interestingly, I believe Google owns YouTube...
In any case, Google Video provides much better resolution, quality and length than does YouTube.
Posted by: Henrik at March 25, 2008 11:19 AM
Last night/early this morning 12 am to 1 ish I followed a link from LGF to a blog that had the movie FITNA in a 12 episode Youtube inbed. It was removed almost is soon as the link was posted. I then did a search for the movie at youtube and found the 12 episodes. I watched up till part 6 then woke up and was going to finish watching the rest this morning. NOPE, GONE, cannot find them. This 12 part episode youtube was spoken in English but had other subtitles, perhaps it was in Dutch and the same movies?
Where are these censorship fools leading our future? It is past being ridicules self destructive behavior by those who want to silence the TRUTH!!!111!11!11
at March 25, 2008 11:59 AM
Sons of apes and pigs site is giving me a forbidden notice when I try to go there.
I am not at work, so who is censoring me?
at March 25, 2008 12:12 PM
adinfinitum, that wasn't Geert's Fitna movie, but they removed it anyway. Probably because it had the word fitna in the title, without a "sorry". They seemed to leave all those ones up.
Posted by: gymgal at March 25, 2008 12:14 PM
gymgal,
Yes, I noticed that also, that the Muslim radicals were posting a large amount of videos to try and hide any actual movie about islam. We may have to resort to oldtime Napster ways, rename movies a letter or two of so as to get them by the radicals and the cowards at youtube that cover for the terrorists.
Posted by: abinitioadinfinitum at March 25, 2008 12:23 PM
So why not get a hold of the Fitna movie and post it under a "secret/special" code name?
I like "Pigs in Space"!
Then maybe we can all watch it before the sensor Gustapo gets rid of it again.
Posted by: DeeMack at March 25, 2008 12:23 PM
@gymgal,
Indeed the files I posted had nothing to do with the evermore elusive film by Geert Wilders. Someone at some site somewhere, again seems to have mixed up the two.
My files were called:
Islam, what the West needs to know DUTCH subs (full docu) 12 Videos. That was the playlist, posted on my account:
http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=Saguntum
It seems that due to the mix-up and the global "terror" the upcoming film by Wilders is spreading among the politically correct nomenclatura, the vid's I posted in january have also been removed. So no "Fitna" in the title, only a false connection made by someone who thought it had anything to do with the Wilders-movie.
This is all getting "un peu bizarre" indeed..
Still waiting for an answer from the YouTube-team though, so until then we can only guess what moved them to ban the movie. They said they banned it because they considered it to be "improper material". Elsewhere the English version still stands. Perhaps the "piepels" at YouTube don't like Dutch? ;-)
Kind regs from Amsterdam,
Sag.
at March 25, 2008 12:38 PM
So why not get a hold of the Fitna movie and post it under a "secret/special" code name?
Because what matters here is the width of the impact. Sure, a few of us wizards would get it, and get to see stuff we already know. So what?
The reaction from MSM, when it finally appears, will be telling.
And yes, I *am* holding my breath for the real thing ;)
Posted by: Henrik at March 25, 2008 12:44 PM
Youtube? The website that the Telegraph wrote about recently because they were refusing to remove a video of someone shooting English and American soldiers with arabic chanting because they didn't believe in censorship?
I tried to do a search for videos in Japan recently, and in my list was a Canadian vid from a mosque preaching takeover of the world.
In the comments: "submission has begun and soon there will be an absolute submission"
We all know what Jihadtubes aim is.
at March 25, 2008 12:50 PM
Because what matters here is the width of the impact. Sure, a few of us wizards would get it, and get to see stuff we already know. So what?
Henrik
that wasn't my point silly. :-)
obviously we want the impact factor but why not tease them in the process. publicity stunt, you know... play "outsmart the Mo-ron" with them
think off how pissed they'll be when they realize we Ksfirs duped them again! And that the movie's been out all along right under their turbans. hee hee
Posted by: DeeMack at March 25, 2008 1:05 PM
and youtube is still showing the Islamic videos of IED's blowing people to kingdom come, if that isn't offensive I don't know what is.
Maybe www.liveleak.com will show it, they don't seem to be censored as badly.
What a joke (she says sarcastically).
Off to work for some sanity, lol.
Posted by: gymgal at March 25, 2008 1:20 PM
@Saunto,
The movies I was watching last night are your 12. Here is the website
http://eye-on-the-world.blogspot.com/2008/03/video-geert-wilders-fitna-12-parts.html
I first saw them embedded at and here is what they have posted today
"Monday, March 24, 2008
VIDEO: Geert Wilders’ "Fitna" (12 parts) -- Updated
The documentary that was posted here was not "Fitna", it was "Islam: What the West Needs to Know" with Dutch subtitles. Sometimes, we do get duped. :-)
Posted by Watcher on 3/24/2008 10:35:00 PM "
This should clear up some of the confusion of your movies being linked with Geert Wilders Fitna.
at March 25, 2008 1:27 PM
As Henrik pointed out, the Google video is still up there. Segundo could probably post the Dutch subtitled version there, and that too in one piece, just like the English version is.
For the record, I'm thankful to Davis for allowing it to be up on Google videos, even though I was among the first to buy the DVD.
Posted by: Infidel Pride at March 25, 2008 1:29 PM
We own this DVD, and we've gotten a variety of responses from both family & friends to the invitation to taking it home to watch and absorb. Everything from - they couldn't get home fast enough to view it - to they wouldn't touch it with a 10-foot pole.
I can only pity those who are not even remotely open to the idea of viewing a harmless DVD in order to gain insight into this evil ideology, especially since most of us will buy/rent movies with little or no meaning, value or consequence to their own lives; whereas this information is very relevant and essential to know.
Guess it will take another major terrorist attack or a nuclear bomb to get them out of their denial; as if 9/11 wasn't enough of a wake-up call.
Islam is evil and dangerous - which is the kindest thing I can say about it at this point.
Posted by: champ at March 25, 2008 1:38 PM
More news of the Mo-ronic type....
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/03/25/iraq/main3965214.shtml
if they keep this up we may actually get rid of them all by tomorrow :-) aahhh!
Posted by: DeeMack at March 25, 2008 2:01 PM
Actually, a friend of mine bought a whopping 140 copies of this DVD, and we then shared the work of sending it by mail to politicans and journalists left and right. I took care of 80 copies personally. People love getting something physical as a gift, and that improves the chances that they'll absorb the message.
It's one of these little things we can do to inform the elite about the nature of the problem. Not every DVD we give away will have results, but some will, and the impact can be dramatic. A kind of lottery, if you will.
Posted by: Henrik at March 25, 2008 2:20 PM
The 4th Estate hard at work.
For once ABC has not been able to identify one innocent Civilian causality. How could that be? I wonder how many there would be if we were doing the shooting?
Posted by: flowerknife_us at March 25, 2008 2:46 PM
I think sons of apes and pigs
http://www.sonsofapesandpigs.org
Is down due to technical difficulty. The error looks server side rather than DNS.
Posted by: Abrog8 at March 25, 2008 4:35 PM
Support Youtube smack down.
The site list many anti-west, pro-jihad vids and their posters. all you have to do is go to the linkd, and flag the vids.
And don't forget to sent them links to other jihadi youtube vids so they can be include in future updates.
Posted by: opusrex at March 25, 2008 4:42 PM
Support Youtube smack down.
The site list many anti-west, pro-jihad vids and their posters. all you have to do is go to the linkd, and flag the vids.
And don't forget to sent them links to other jihadi youtube vids so they can be include in future updates.
http://muninn-quotheraven.blogspot.com/
Posted by: opusrex at March 25, 2008 4:42 PM
Wilders is in good company when he compares Hitler's Mein Kampf with the koran.
But the really interesting comparison is Winston Churchill's, though he did it the other way around. It comes on p. 50 of From War to War, the first part of the first volume of his 6-part Second World War. Chapter 4 deals with Adolf Hitler, including a close look at Mein Kampf, which Churchill called "the new Koran of faith and war: turgid, verbose, shapeless, but pregnant with its message."
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/819
If the politically correct "elite idiots" think they know better then Churchill, they have a serious mental problem.
at March 25, 2008 5:03 PM
I had the Muhammad with a bomb in his turban cartoon on my blog. It was uploaded on Photobucket. A few days after uploading it, the image turned into this: http://s242.photobucket.com/albums/ff40/PurpleWombats/?action=view¤t=MuhammadCartoon.gif
No email. No real reason given. Dhimmis.
So I uploaded it on imageshack.us. They haven't deleted it yet. Hooray.
Posted by: PurpleWombats at March 25, 2008 5:33 PM
Too bad that You Tube can't censor the cruelty, hate, and violence taught in the Kuran!
Too bad the folks at You Tube can't stop Islam from killing with their silly political shenanigans.
There is a global pandemic of cowardice towards Islamic terror going around the globe. The cure: the understanding that if you are non-Muslim performing favors for Muslims will not stop Islam from attacking and killing you--not for one single second.
And that applies for You Tube, too.
at March 25, 2008 10:01 PM
going to fitnathemovie.com shows this now:
This site has been suspended while Network Solutions is investigating whether the site's content is in violation of the Network Solutions Acceptable Use Policy. Network Solutions has received a number of complaints regarding this site that are under investigation. For more information about Network Solutions Acceptable Use Policy visit the following URL: http://www.networksolutions.com/legal/aup.jsp
sounds like more "internet jihad"
at March 25, 2008 10:26 PM
PurpleWombats-
Looking at the other images of yours at photobucket, I guess the others meet the terms of service?
Spineless idiots.
Posted by: XRDC at March 25, 2008 10:35 PM
@Henrik: "Actually, a friend of mine bought a whopping 140 copies of this DVD, and we then shared the work of sending it by mail to politicans and journalists left and right. I took care of 80 copies personally. People love getting something physical as a gift, and that improves the chances that they'll absorb the message."
That is also my proposal towards Sagunto. Put the compilation of the film ‘What the West needs to know’ on DVD. Then spread them for free, for instance at the main railroad stations, where on a daily basis thousands and thousands of people passing by. In addition to that, we can indeed also sent the DVD’s to politicians and Islam critical opinion makers in the media and elsewhere...
Greetings from Amsterdam
at March 26, 2008 8:25 AM
The beauty of the net and the modern age of transparency is that throughout the blogosphere this can't be 100% censored and this news can get out.
Islamicists cannot censor it all. They may get to youtube for a time, but unless they can burn every printing press and destroy the entire internet... what hope do they have of suppressing this?
On that score, maybe we should worry about terrorists launching jihad against the internet by trying to hack more sites and distribute more viruses.
Interesting, eh?
Posted by: A Simple Sinner at March 27, 2008 1:02 PM
Regarding Network Solutions ("trying to determine {before the movie Fitna is even released} whether it violates our Terms of Service"):
I found a couple of email addresses at their site. Perhaps a few polite inquiries could be made about pulling down Wilders' site "just in case" -- long before anything offensive could be posted to it; and then asking about some of the jihad sites and whether or not THEY might perhaps be considered offensive enough to violate Network Solutions' ToS.
Link is:
http://solutionsarepower.com/contact-solutions-are-power-blog/
Contacts shown are:
Shashi Bellamkonda
Social Media Swami and Blogger for Network Solutions
Shashib@networksolutions.com
Jilliann Smith
Maloney & Fox for Network Solutions
jsmith@maloneyfox.com
at March 27, 2008 9:50 PM
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