I'm looking forward to it.

Posted by: awake at March 26, 2008 12:24 PM

No preventative ban on any product whatsoever has ever been imposed in the Netherlands.

Posted by: US_infidel at March 26, 2008 12:27 PM

The following says Wilders will provide no detail whatsoever "so as to prevent any new setbacks".

http://wildersnews.blogspot.com/2008/03/wilders-exploring-other-options-for.html

Posted by: Occupant at March 26, 2008 12:27 PM

"NIF is asking the district court in The Hague to have an independent expert see the film and to judge whether it is blasphemous"

Blasphemous? If such laws become entrenched in the west, even the pro-islamists and appeasers won't be too happy once they discover everything western, culturally, institutionally and religiously is all "blasphemous" to Islam.

Posted by: Sounder at March 26, 2008 12:32 PM

Wilders should use an Israeli ISP.

Posted by: Yishai at March 26, 2008 12:44 PM

It seems that a Czech right wing political party had offered to host the film if it is banned in the Netherlands.
http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/0,1518,543223,00.html

Posted by: Drakkar at March 26, 2008 1:01 PM

PUT IT ON BITTORRENT!!111!!!!111!

Posted by: PRCalDude at March 26, 2008 1:22 PM

"NIF is asking the district court in The Hague to have an independent expert see the film and to judge whether it is blasphemous. In that case, it cannot be shown, according to the Muslim group"

- Well the Muslim group is wrong. The Netherlands is NOT Saudi Arabia.

Posted by: Rogster at March 26, 2008 1:22 PM

So now Muslims are the judge and jury of what we ALL can see and what we can't see??? I find it blasphemous that they assume they can do this.

They are apparently film critics now too, besides cartoon critics. The religion of many silly hats.

Posted by: gymgal at March 26, 2008 1:25 PM

yes, exactly -- Bit torrent! That will harness the power of the web. And it is NOT bound by any geographical jurisdiction, and NO single provider can take it 'down'.

Posted by: Infidel419 at March 26, 2008 1:26 PM

The Netherlands Islamic Federation (NIF) is applying this Friday for a preventative ban on the film. NIF is asking the district court in The Hague to have an independent expert see the film and to judge whether it is blasphemous.

Baaaaaaaaaaaalony!

Of course it's blasphemous. Isn't it a rule in their infamous and idiotic koran that anything that mohammedans don't like is blasphemous?

But then, Holland doesn't have a law against blasphemy.

You have to love the part about "an independent expert"!!!

I suppose that would be someone who is deeply versed in mohammedan law, but who isn't actually a mohammedan and therefore can be trusted as a disinterested party.

I propose RS. ;-)

But then, how do you find someone who is disinterested in the choice between freedom and sharia?

Posted by: joeblough at March 26, 2008 1:29 PM

... whether it is blasphemous....

hahahahahahaha

Even if it is, what can they do? Do they think sharia law extends to the netherlands?

For f*** sake! This people scares me!

Posted by: Dr.CancerMan at March 26, 2008 1:34 PM

Another thing, anyone can post links to a torrent and it won't lead to any system crashing. That's why it's the fastest way to get large files distributed anywhere.

Posted by: Infidel419 at March 26, 2008 1:35 PM

Methinks the production of Wilder's film has been taken over by Microsoft, and they're treating it just like they'd treat their various versions of Windows - simply eternally delaying that launch.

I say Wilders should release it to a whole host of sites - this one, FaithFreedom/Wikislam, Religion of Peace, Gates of Vienna, as well as mainstream sites willing to carry it. Make it as ubiquitious as the Danish cartoons when they first ran - scatter it all over on so many web sites that anybody complying with the ban is simply repelling his/her potential visitors. That way, viewership is maximized, and it can't be brought down at any single point. Islamic countries that don't want their people to see it would simply have to shut down their internet - wouldn't that be grand?

Posted by: Infidel Pride at March 26, 2008 1:38 PM

The film should be automatically mailed to every ISP address in the world. If someone wants to open it, it then will be available. The movie should be particulary mailed to every ISP address in the 56 Islamic countries. This will assure that governments, threatening immams and other tyrants will not interfere with the right of any person, infidel or muslim, to view Fitna, the movie! If the person does not wish to watch, the person can delete.

Perhaps these muslims seeking bans against fitna should succeed. A precedent setting out the precise parameters of when something should be banned as illegal hate speech may be useful. The koran is a prime candidate for such a worldwide ban.

The koran is page after page after page of hate. It should be banned or at the least restricted from minors and other people of limited capacity or intelligence!

Posted by: David England at March 26, 2008 1:39 PM

No freedom of speech within Islam - no fun either - only filthy lies that apparently need to be protected at all costs, not the freedom to speak the Truth.

Truth - what's that? Islam has no idea, nor any interest in such things. Only lies spoken here in Backwardsland, because the Truth runs contrary to their way of life.

Guess it's hard to admit that you've been believing and living a lie all of your life - but that's no excuse for protecting yourself from the Truth.

Posted by: champ at March 26, 2008 1:48 PM

Are you able to put it into something other besides youtube.com?

They are censoring a lot of things that tell the truth about islam - and I would suspect they will do the same with this when the muslims start whining and threatening them.

Posted by: R_not at March 26, 2008 1:52 PM

If you're a living, breathing infidel, you're blasphemous. If you're a Christian or a Jew, you're a blasphemer. If you're an atheist, you're a blasphemer. There's no neutral ground.

Posted by: PRCalDude at March 26, 2008 1:53 PM

I sincerely hope this film will be iredeemably blasphemous. The more blasphemy the better. We need as much blasphemy as possible. It's very good for the nervous system!

Posted by: johndoe at March 26, 2008 2:12 PM

They're trying to get in the way of what WE can see and hear. What's next - The Mona Lisa?

This is nothing but a backdoor attempt at proselyzation of their filthy and violent beliefs.

Posted by: Allah Schmallah at March 26, 2008 2:19 PM

Exactly: Bittorrent. That's it.

(There already is a torrent, but it seems to provide "Soylent Green". An aprropriate prank.)

Posted by: FreeSpeech at March 26, 2008 2:25 PM

So they want us in the West to bring back the codification of the old blasphemy thing, eh. Well we tried that and it turned out rather badly in most cases but not all. We did come up with some pretty innovative institutions like Grand Inquisitors and the like, and then there were all the trial by tribulation and boiling in oil (technically deep fried) and stake burning festivities. We do remember how it all works and it really wouldn't be that much bother to revive it all. We would start with the Muslims first of course. Hell, we Europeans remember how to make water boarding seem like a day at the spa. What fun! Muslims want global blasphemy laws? Sure, why not? Let's roll. We're old hands at this game. I'll talk to my MP this week.

Posted by: SaracensAtTheGates at March 26, 2008 2:39 PM

The quran is 'blasphemous' to the central tenents of the Christian faith as it explicitly denies who Jesus is and then accuses anyone who says different (to the quran) of blaspheming Islam.

Surah 5:72-73 a couple of verses but there are many more such (Yusef Ali)

72 They do blaspheme who say: "(Allah) is Christ the son of Mary." But said Christ: "O Children of Israel! worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord." Whoever joins other gods with Allah,- Allah will forbid him the garden, and the Fire will be his abode. There will for the wrong-doers be no one to help.
73 They do blaspheme who say: Allah is one of three in a Trinity: for there is no god except One Allah. If they desist not from their word (of blasphemy), verily a grievous penalty will befall the blasphemers among them.

Note: It should be remembered that Allah the god of Islam is the same God of the Jews and Christians (according to Muslims).

There is a saying: people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

Posted by: James at March 26, 2008 2:42 PM

From The Jawa Report:

Youtube Video: Brad Thor Discusses Fitna on Glenn Beck

Brad Thor discusses Geert Wilders film, "Fitna" and Network Solutions suspension of his web site on Glenn Beck's CNN Headline News program

Sounds like Glenn Beck is offering to air FITNA!
At marker 1:09 "Conway, I'd like to offer that guy, Geert [What's-his-face], a place to air his film here."

FINALLY!

Posted by: justamomof4 at March 26, 2008 2:50 PM

I certainly hope there are subtitles on this movie. It won't do much good if the only people that can understand it are the Dutch.

Posted by: old fogey at March 26, 2008 3:00 PM

I certainly hope there are subtitles on this movie. It won't do much good if the only people that can understand it are the Dutch. posted by old fogey

Methinks there will be English and Arabic subtitles, lol, just to really p#&* them off.

Posted by: gymgal at March 26, 2008 3:47 PM

Glenn Beck said on his TV program yesterday that he wants to air Wilders' film on his show, and I'm sure there are many others who would like to do the same.

Wilders shouldn't have any problems finding someone to air his film, and Beck's program would be a perfect show to air it on.

Posted by: rational at March 26, 2008 4:02 PM

Islam is a sacred cow, the "golden calf" of Muslims. Bully for Wilders!

Posted by: John C at March 26, 2008 4:32 PM

It looks to me like things are working out for the best. Not only do we see the way these large corps. and MSM can control information.
(ie. Network Solutions, Google, etc.
http://creepingsharia.wordpress.com) but it also brings to the fore the reason..... FEAR.

I believe in the end Mr. Wilders film will be shown on many mediums. And the issue of free speach will peak the interest of a number of people that blindly accept the "Religion of Piece" to view it. Poor Ms. Wade now has her name known by the mass as the person that attempted to squelch freedom for personal gain. And will eventually be recognized as the kaffur that allowed for the blasphemy of the prophet. A good lesson for Ms. Wade and all the Ms. Wades of the west.

Posted by: Abrog8 at March 26, 2008 4:41 PM

Danish author Gerard Reve was prosecuted in 1966 for violating Article 147 of the Netherland's Penal Code (unrelated to Islam). The Netherlands DOES have a blasphemy law, as do many European countries. The only thing that has changed is that they were modified to include all religions (read: Islam).

They were written in the guise of "protecting" religions and religious discourse. Of course, in the case of Islam the effect is of banning religious discourse. Don't scoff at the possibility; Muslims are successfully pushing for stricter blasphemy laws in Europe and in the U.S.

Posted by: special_guest at March 26, 2008 4:49 PM

Holland: Why are you so afraid of the Mohammedans?

Posted by: darcy at March 26, 2008 5:19 PM

This may be the best thing that's happened to Wilder's film. There's so much hype and anticipation to see it now, and it's gained international attention. I can't wait to see it!

Posted by: Peaceful_Muslims? at March 26, 2008 5:34 PM

After been banned from Network Solutions, Geert Wilders is setting up a new shop. He says he needs donations for his Fitna movie:

http://kleinverzet.blogspot.com/2008/03/freedom-is-not-free.html

Posted by: Ferdy at March 26, 2008 6:30 PM

...it angers me, as it angers the vast majority of muslims, to hear bin laden and his associates, described as islamic terrorists; they are terrorists pure and simple.

Tony Blair

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-871902797772997781&q

Now that he is behind the cloak of the Roman Catholic Church, does he still maintain the position he so emphatically affirmed when he said...

...islam is a peaceful and tolerant religon and the actions of these people (bin laden et al) are wholely contrary to the teachings of the quaran.

I wonder if he meant that? After all, he was reading a script and didn't look at the camera as if he meant to say these things. Yet he sounded so emphatic at the time, and he could not have been alone in thinking this way.

I wonder if non muslim people who think they way Mr. Blair apparently thought at the time when he said these things, work in places where they might be tempted to act upon those inclinations.

Perhaps the censorhip has a more European or American accent behind it, than a Middle Eastern?

Liberals aren't the only ones to blame either -- the global capitalists who are their arch-rivals, are working toward the same goals but for more material rather than ideological reasons.

So where does it leave the middle?

Posted by: witness at March 26, 2008 6:31 PM

@Special_guest

Gerard Reve is of course one of Dutch most famous authors, certainly not Danish! He was actually the last Dutch person who has been prosecuted for blasphemy and was not sentenced. The law it self is from 1932 and is as far as I know not specifically meant for banning Christian blasphemy only. It's was, until recently, a dead letter.

The Christian democrats and other Dutch Christian political parties want to widen it's application again. They see, quite ignorantly, in Islam a way to respirtualize Dutch society.

Posted by: Ferdy at March 26, 2008 6:47 PM

Ferdy, this is something which I have been thinking about. Is the reason why so many muslims have been allowed into Europe, because Europeans are no longer religious and since they can hardly burn heretics from christianity anymore, they have decided to bring in muslims, in an effort to make European society religious again.

There was some English Reverend, who once said, he would rather that some-one be a muslim than not believe in anything at all?

Is this what the Ialamisation of Europe really all about? An attempt to make Europeans follow a religion again?

Posted by: Voltaire at March 26, 2008 7:07 PM

@Voltaire

That's not really my take on it. Christian political parties are a minority in The Netherlands. This mass immigration has always been and still is supported by all mainstream political parties. From extreme left to regular left, sometimes called conservative in The Netherlands. It's the result of strategic alliance with the South, a.k.a. the Muslim world.

European elite's, socialist as they are, are you see more afraid of capitalism then they are of Islam. The result is the EU as it is today.

Our slogan: no war for oil!

Posted by: Ferdy at March 26, 2008 7:19 PM

I agree with Ferdy,

The "revolt of the elites" that's the main problem, which manifests itself through the anti-democratic control-freaky project of the EU. It's the old "progressive" way of high-minded people with some form of "higher" education, who always seem to think they own some sort of blueprint for a perfect society.

The disastrous immigration of muslims during the seventies however, is a very clear exception in Dutch immigration history. It largely coincided with the megalomanic expansion of the wellfare-state. Those muslim immigrants were used to replace Dutch workers who were phased out in the soon-to-vanish textile and mining industries. The muslims "selected", were only just able to turn a switch or a bolt. They were never treated as real immigrants, nor did they consider themselves as such. The big mistake was to allow their wives to settle in the Netherlands, because it had always been "the plan" (there you have it again) that the Moroccan and Turkisch workers would go home after they were no longer useful.

So much for past mistakes with which we are still struggling today. Another - but related matter - is that almost every political party and "special interest group" today is trying to get something out of the agressive islamic presence in Holland. Lefists are pushing the old dream of a "planable/makable society", elitists of sorts add the multi-culti speak to it and treat it like the Newest Testament in a Dutch morality-play, among those elitists most prominently the old "progressive" calvinist elites.

It is also true as @voltaire guessed that religious groups, again predominantly the elites among them, think that islam is fighting their battle for more "respect" for religion in general. But there is a growing number of people who seriously doubt the elitist worldview. Not surprisingly the example of pope Benedict not only appeals to catholics (the largest religious community in the Netherlands) but also to a wider audience. But as in any religous groups in Europe today, they are divided by the cultural tragedy sometimes called the "revolution of the sixties". You have people who still think that the "aggiornamento" of the sixties was a step in the right direction and you have people, like Dutch writer Gerard van het Reve, who have equated it to "liturgical and cultural vandalism".

When being progressive, elitist as well as a "soixante-huitard" (a baby-boomer) coincide, then you have tree excellent "markers" that qualify someone for membership of todays "useful idiots"-club when it comes to the new political monstrum of Sharia-Socialism.

When looking for real, lasting opposition with any chance of succeeding, one must look for conservatism or better: traditionalism and what's left of it. And that will not be found in some French-type of separation between State and Religion, which places citizens at the mercy of a centralized state like some "enlightened" secularists still dream of, but in decentralized "pockets of resistance".

Posted by: Sagunto at March 26, 2008 8:18 PM

I certainly hope there are subtitles on this movie. It won't do much good if the only people that can understand it are the Dutch.

I've met many Dutch in my time, and one of the two things most of them had in common was that they were fluent in English. (The other was that they were charming, friendly people.)
So, because of the curse of the English-speaking world, it should be in English.

Posted by: Jerry Reed at March 26, 2008 9:33 PM

"The Netherlands Islamic Federation (NIF) is applying this Friday for a preventative ban on the film. NIF is asking the district court in The Hague to have an independent expert see the film and to judge whether it is blasphemous. In that case, it cannot be shown, according to the Muslim group. No preventative ban on any product whatsoever has ever been imposed in the Netherlands."

Well, then. If the NIF gets the film preemptively censored by the district court on the grounds that it is blasphemous to Islam, the NIF will have made another immense stride on its march to the Islamification of Europe.

Woe be unto the poor Dutch. Can they not see what is happening to them? Woe be unto the good old U.S.A. as well, if we do not find a way to stop the creeping Sharia that has already established its beach head here on our university campuses.

God speed and watch over our brave and good friend, Geert Wilders.

Posted by: INFIDELATLARGE at March 26, 2008 9:53 PM

Well, what do you know? I believed Wilders when he said he fabricated the whole thing, for the simple reason that I figured he and I were thinking along the same line: that a film showing Islam's war against the world is redundant. And really---

Is a film about Islam's horrors of violence, totalitarianism, and intolerance at this point really necessary? Will the global community wake up as a result of this film being released and shown?

Posted by: pythagoras at March 26, 2008 10:24 PM

After I complained to Network Solutions' site, I received a customer survey. After complaining there as well, I received the following response from them. Any way that it's shaken, it's dhimmitude and preemptive censorship balls to bone. They're in the tank for the terrorists. The comments in brackets are mine.
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Thank you for contacting Network Solutions. Your request has been received by the Customer Satisfaction Department.

We are committed to creating the best Customer experience possible. One of the first ways we can demonstrate our commitment to this goal is to respond to your recent request quickly and efficiently.
Thank you for your e-mail. Network Solutions values the feedback from customers and the community.

Over the last month, Network Solutions received a number of complaints regarding the website FITNATHEMOVIE.COM. At the same time, our hosting customer for this site also made several public comments regarding their plans for the use of this site. In response to the complaints and the customer?s public comments, Network Solutions has made repeated requests to discuss the matter with our customer. We are still waiting to hear from our customer. In the interim, we have temporarily suspended the site. [That was the preemptive censorship paragraph]

During this suspension, the customer has full access to the site. If the customer provides Network Solutions with the content and it is determined that the content does not violate the Acceptable Use Policy, then the customer will be permitted to post the content. However, if it does violate our policy, then the customer is free to post the content using another number of other avenues, but not with Network Solutions.

Network Solutions does not proactively police the content of our customers? sites. If a complaint is received, however, we do conduct a review to determine whether the site?s content violates our company?s Acceptable Use Policy. [How could it be violated when the content isn't on the site yet? Hosting Hezbollah is okay, though.]

We hope this information has been helpful. However, if you have any additional questions, please don't hesitate to contact our Customer Service Department [...so you can be fed a line of crap just like this letter. An apology to the free world would have been more appropriate.]

Posted by: twoCents at March 26, 2008 11:42 PM

After I complained to Network Solutions' site, I received a customer survey. After complaining there as well, I received the following response from them. Any way that it's shaken, it's dhimmitude and preemptive censorship balls to bone. They're in the tank for the terrorists. The comments in brackets are mine.
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Thank you for contacting Network Solutions. Your request has been received by the Customer Satisfaction Department.

We are committed to creating the best Customer experience possible. One of the first ways we can demonstrate our commitment to this goal is to respond to your recent request quickly and efficiently.
Thank you for your e-mail. Network Solutions values the feedback from customers and the community.

Over the last month, Network Solutions received a number of complaints regarding the website FITNATHEMOVIE.COM. At the same time, our hosting customer for this site also made several public comments regarding their plans for the use of this site. In response to the complaints and the customer?s public comments, Network Solutions has made repeated requests to discuss the matter with our customer. We are still waiting to hear from our customer. In the interim, we have temporarily suspended the site. [That was the preemptive censorship paragraph]

During this suspension, the customer has full access to the site. If the customer provides Network Solutions with the content and it is determined that the content does not violate the Acceptable Use Policy, then the customer will be permitted to post the content. However, if it does violate our policy, then the customer is free to post the content using another number of other avenues, but not with Network Solutions.

Network Solutions does not proactively police the content of our customers? sites. If a complaint is received, however, we do conduct a review to determine whether the site?s content violates our company?s Acceptable Use Policy. [How could it be violated when the content isn't on the site yet? Hosting Hezbollah is okay, though.]

We hope this information has been helpful. However, if you have any additional questions, please don't hesitate to contact our Customer Service Department [...so you can be fed a line of crap just like this letter. An apology to the free world would have been more appropriate.]

Posted by: twoCents at March 26, 2008 11:45 PM

many of the controversial documentaries on islam and jihad are available in this blog:

http://islam-critical-documentation.blogspot.com/

Including "obsession" and "Islam: what the west needs to know". Also "Undercover mosque" and "Egypts rubbish people"

Posted by: jenny at March 27, 2008 9:23 AM

"I've met many Dutch in my time, and one of the two things most of them had in common was that they were fluent in English."

Factoid: Among the major world languages Dutch is the one that is most closely related to English (Frisian, spoken also in the Netherlands, is the closest foreign language).

I think you can hear that relationship in the cadence of Dutch.

Posted by: non-croyant at March 27, 2008 2:01 PM

Fitna banned. A hard blow on freedom of expression on the web. Europe once more kneels to radical Islam. Freedom of speech includes blasfemy.

Posted by: Ally02 at March 29, 2008 1:23 PM

Fitna banned. A hard blow on freedom of expression on the web. Europe once more kneels to radical Islam. Freedom of speech includes critizing religion.

Posted by: Ally02 at March 29, 2008 1:24 PM