Nothing to see here people move along. You are just mis-interpreting what they are saying, you wouldn't understand cause you weren't in the car with them and you haven't been brain washed for years. Nothing to see here, move along.

Seriously, are the Canuks going to do something about this or just bury their heads in the sand even deeper?

Posted by: John_Doe at March 27, 2008 10:10 AM

Nothing actually happened did it? The authorities have intercepted another jihadi plot and we are all ok...see? All right everybody roll over and go back to sleep.

Posted by: pismopal at March 27, 2008 10:16 AM

"Rome has to be defeated" doesn't refer to an Italian plot, but to the necessity, as they see it, to take down the West, in accord with Muhammad's prophecy that Constantinople would fall to Islam first, and then Rome."
-- from Robert Spencer's comment above on the Toronto plotters

That explanation is important, and should not be overlooked. For too often the Muslim use even of a geographic term, whose meaning would appear obvious, requires a gloss. In this case, I wonder if the matter ends with noting Muhammad's prophecy – the one which Qaradawi so easily referred to, without having to explicate for his intended audience – that first Constantinople would fall, and then Rome. I wonder if here the “Rome” is, more than the city (as it appears to have been in that attributed prophecy), the “Rum” by which Byzantium was known, and is still known, to Muslims (for Byzantim was heir to the eastern part of the Roman Empire, the Eastern Empire), and then, by extention, that “Rum” became synonymous with the West, just as the word “Franks” or “Frangi” became, from the time of the Crusades on, the designation not merely of the French but of all the warriors, and then all the inhabitants, of collected Christendom. When Muslims use the word "Rome" do they mean the city "Rome" or "Rum" as Byzantium, or "Rome" or "Rum" as merely standing for "The West"?

The point you make remains: the word “Rome” here means, in the end, the “West.” That is what counts for these ignorant and confused wannabe martyrs, trying to make their lives thrilling, themselves important.

Constantinople yesterday, Rome (Italy) tomorrow, Toronto the day after tomorrow, and then Teaneck and Tallahassee the day after that, or perhaps Tacoma and Tampa, the day before -- who cares, really, what the order is, as long as the final outcome remains the same, for the whole world belongs to Islam, and everywhere Islam must triumph, must dominate. And each victory, whether through Da’wa and the deployment of the Money Weapon and demographic conquest, or through terrorism, will confirm the rightness of the cause, and hearten those who might have begun otherwise to have their doubts.

The more Infidels give in, thinking that each compromise or concession will win Muslims hearts and a possible response in kind, the more difficult in the end it becomes to deal with what is, based on immutable texts,taken to be the literal Word of God. Muslims have never had to deal with, or endure, any of the effects on Christian believers wrought by both the Enlightenment and the development of science since the nineteenth century, and without Islam experiencing the challenge of the Higher Criticism that put both Christianity and Judaism into historical context, that is back into history. It is a brittle faith, and clearly some of those who sign up for it in the West are looking for a faith that offers them what they badly need, a system of Total Regulation, and one which they can allow themselves to believe is on the road to triumph. Anything done to show up that triumphalism as badly mistaken will help make Islam less attractive to would-be converts, and also, the more that Infidels recognize that the failures of Islamic states and societies is attributable to Islam itself, the more likely it is that Muslims too, or those among them who think, will not be able to start thinking along the same lines themselves, even if they do not have the advantage, as Ibn Warraq, Wafa Sultan, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, and Magdi Allam have all had, of actually living in the West, and contrasting, and comparing.

Posted by: Hugh at March 27, 2008 10:29 AM

Canucks, in general, have their heads buried so deeply up their, you-know canal… One has to wonder if these misguided, Jihadist “wannabes” will be taken seriously by most in Dudley-Do-Right-Land.

After all, the residing PM, Jean Chretien, during 9-11, stated unequivocally that Canuckistan has no terrorist cells. To boot, his successor had a nasty habit of attending “Charity Events”, or milk the water-buffalo events, run by the Tamil-Tigers and, more likely than not, other terrorist fundraising functions.

This was under the Liberal Party, mind you; we now have an, alleged, Conservative government (albeit, a minority-government), which, in truth, is a helluva a lot more savvy to Islamo-Fascism than their predecessor. Nevertheless, much of Canuckistan’s citizenry is bum-locked in peacenik mode.

Canada has a penchant, no, an absolute fixation on blaming their, true, ally and trade-partner to the south, for all that ails this woeful planet. One example, when the likes of the splice and dice, documentary-moron, Mikey Moore visits, he touts how marvellous Canada is, in comparison to his country, The Great Satan, America. This only confirms to the peacenik collectivists, the naïve and anti-America faction, Canuckistan is, truly, nirvana. There are, however, numerous Canadians, like me, who are grateful that the only, near to true, democracy on this Socialist afflicted planet, America, is our ally and neighbour. Thankful that America is, thus far, taking the War on Terror head-on despite the worldwide and internal condemnations, but more importantly, being vigilant of the homegrown apologists and Jihadists doing their utmost to undermine the nation.

If in the future anyone wants a less biased reporting on this Canuckistani, terror case; it would be wise to avoid the Toronto Star. It is only an alias for PRAVDA.

Off topic: Canadian Forces are serving alongside American Forces in Afghanistan… this will be the hot-topic when Harper’s, conservative, government is forced into folding and must call an election. Many Canadians, not all, have are in desperate want of their nation being morphed into a socialist, Euro-like state. Not unlike the Democrats and their blind-leading-the-blind leftist disciples: a SOCIALIST-democracy.

God help us especially that, the U.S. does not fall into the hands the leftist usurpers to become Americastan.

Posted by: ballzack at March 27, 2008 11:11 AM

Nothing actually happened did it? The authorities have intercepted another jihadi plot and we are all ok...see? All right everybody roll over and go back to sleep.

yes, indeed, another finger in the dyke

Posted by: raven_ at March 27, 2008 11:34 AM

Yes, ballzack, TorontoStar is quite "red". Here's an example of their parallel Universe:

http://www.thestar.com/columnists/article/303477

In the article above Haroon Siddiqui has the balls to imply that the Pope is theologically not quite right, that sharia is not that bad and that Canadians are too paranoid in regards to Islam:-)

Of course, no mention about Ezra Levant or Steyn & MacLean's case or this terrorist plot...

Posted by: BlessUS_BanIslam at March 27, 2008 11:34 AM

It's just the islamofascist community showing its appreciation to Canada for allowing them the privilleges of life in a Western (or what once was) nation.

Posted by: TINBH at March 27, 2008 11:53 AM

I appreciate Hugh's insight, above. I share his perspective on the pan-Islamic mindset, The Umma Over All.

Posted by: John C at March 27, 2008 2:49 PM

"Rome has to be defeated"

Hey, who does this guy think he is anyway, Rev. Wright?

Posted by: RalphInfidel at March 27, 2008 5:05 PM

here's a picture outside the courthouse when they first met the judge (to demand korans!)

http://img427.imageshack.us/img427/6357/canadaterrorjune3gweb7am.jpg

Posted by: Rob at March 27, 2008 5:51 PM

"This is the promise of Allah. . . ."

According to the psychotic 7th century pretend prophet, murderer, rapist, thief, liar, and all around bad neighbor that you believe for whatever stupid, stupid, REALLY STUPID reason.

Posted by: Lex at March 27, 2008 8:00 PM

"Rome has to be defeated."

"And I say to you that you are Peter, and on this rock will my church be based, and the doors of hell will not overcome it." ~ Matthew 16:18

Posted by: Lex at March 27, 2008 8:48 PM

If Canada removes its forces from Afcrapistan, it will be the last time they ever fire a shot in anger. For Canada is so peaceful that it could never see a reason they would need an Army to defend themselves.

Laws Governing Hate Speech is their real, true defense.

So girls wear a Scarf instead of a Hat. It is cold up there so what's the problem.

Posted by: flowerknife_us at March 27, 2008 9:05 PM

It needs to be said, again, that Islam is hell's answer to Christianity. No power on earth can or will defeat it. Heaven will expose and destroy it, when Jesus returns. Secularists abd atheists give no credence to this revealed truth; they can't. No matter. They along with everyone else will witness it.

Posted by: Lex at March 27, 2008 9:11 PM

OT
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=547871&in_page_id=1770
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In London, 53 percent of babies are born to immigrant mothers.
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Posted by: Borg at March 27, 2008 11:55 PM

Looks like God didn't grant them the victory. Wonder why that was.

Geoff

Posted by: Geoff at March 28, 2008 9:32 AM