As I said on the Fitna site, Edvard Grieg's Ase's Death was a beautiful choice for the music.

Posted by: non-croyant at March 27, 2008 4:16 PM

Here in Vancouver, Canada we will demonstrate publicly in support of Wilders as soon as we can, perhaps this weekend.

Posted by: dag at March 27, 2008 4:20 PM

Public schools here in California teach all middle school students about the 5 pillars of Islam.

Perhaps High School students should be required to watch Submission and Fitna as a dose of pragmatism.

Posted by: n1cholson at March 27, 2008 4:23 PM

Any burning embassies yet? OMG: its Friday, kuthba day!

Posted by: sheik yer'mami at March 27, 2008 4:24 PM

We need to spread the word and pass the links around like good little kaffirs.

I've all ready sent it off to all sorts of parts of cyber space. ;-)

Now Im off to get my pop corn and marshmellows ready for the fireworks this is gonna cause.

Posted by: DeeMack at March 27, 2008 4:26 PM

I think Wilders did a VERY compelling job!!

Posted by: Occupant at March 27, 2008 4:26 PM

Liveleak seems down (after one and a half million viewers).

Posted by: FransG at March 27, 2008 4:27 PM

Just watched it on liveleak, maybe overloaded there? Very powerful movie, excellent job. Nice and short so even our ADD society can sit through it.

I was a good little anti-islamist too, emailed it to my list with instructions to make sure it was viewed.

Now I'll join DeeMack for popcorn and entertainment. heh.

Posted by: gymgal at March 27, 2008 4:31 PM

I didn't think that Wilders could do much in just 15 minutes, but he absolutely did! I also expected him to cite the oft cited verses like 2:190-193, 5:33, 9:5,29,111. However kudos to him for citing new ones - 8:60, 4:56, 4:57: it sounded even creepier in the original Arabic.

Wilders also deserves a lot of credit for focussing heavily on gays, and the fate that would be theirs if Islam ever took over the Netherlands. If this movie manages to win over Leftists in Europe, it would have done a great deal.

My only mild criticism of him - by showing a photo of the Quran and then ripping off a page from the phone book made it look like actually ripping off a page from the Quran would be as repulsive as a beheading video being shown right to the end, in addition to making him look like a wuss. He does make a good point that it's upto Muslims themselves to tear off the hateful verses of the Quran, but in that case, all this looked like was a stunt that he didn't have the guts to pull off. Don't tell me that that would have earned him death threats - he's got that already.

Nonetheless, this movie is worth bookmarking. In the credits where he lists the contributions, I was disappointed that 'Islam: What the West needs to know' didn't make it.

Posted by: Infidel Pride at March 27, 2008 4:34 PM

If you have trouble accessing the film at live leak, try an indirect route.

www.themoviefitna.com.

The film went from 420,000 views to 781,000 views in about 30 minutes, so be patient and keep trying.

Nomoors

Posted by: Nomoors at March 27, 2008 4:36 PM

and tomorrow is Friday the usual rabble rousing at mosks will go down a treat ahh.. the religion of peace

Posted by: alsopinion at March 27, 2008 4:38 PM

The only improvement I could suggest is to add a segment on the reaction to it we all know is coming.

Posted by: I_am_me at March 27, 2008 4:41 PM

I just watched this at work. On their time. Told co-workers about it. Any crap from management and I will go and find another workplace that endorses this movie openly.

Posted by: baconblaster at March 27, 2008 4:42 PM

non-croyant, I thought that Tchaikovsky's "Arabian Dance" from the Nutcracker Suite was also a very good choice, somber and haunting.

It subtly hints again at the difference in artistic output of Dar al-Harb vs. Dar al-Islam. Islam can destroy, but it cannot create anything as spectacularly beautiful as the Nutcracker Suite.

Posted by: special_guest at March 27, 2008 4:43 PM

Nicely done, but most seems like old news. Then again we here are the exception and not the rule. Hopefully this film will change that.

I agree with non-croyant. The music was superb.

Posted by: awake at March 27, 2008 4:45 PM

Powerful and so true. I did no expect FINTA to be this good. Hopefully it will be available on dvd.

Posted by: Roxane at March 27, 2008 4:49 PM

Oh - there'll be seething and rage now.

Hopefully this time from Europeans, and all others, who have been submitting to dhimmitude!

Actually, after all the accusations from certain people, even before they had seen the film, I thought it was in no way incendiary.
It just showed what is true.
Well made, not at all sensationalist - and perhaps this film will make a few more think a bit harder about what is actually going on.

Posted by: Calon Lan at March 27, 2008 4:49 PM

Powerful and so true. I did not expect FINTA to be this good. Hopefully it will be available on dvd.

Posted by: Roxane at March 27, 2008 4:49 PM

Oh - there'll be seething and rage now.

Hopefully this time from Europeans, and all others, who have been submitting to dhimmitude!

Actually, after all the accusations from certain people, even before they had seen the film, I thought it was in no way incendiary.
It just showed what is true.
Well made, not at all sensationalist - and perhaps this film will make a few more think a bit harder about what is actually going on.

Posted by: Calon Lan at March 27, 2008 4:50 PM

This needs to be downloaded immediately by those that can. This needs to be seen by EVERYONE. And if the MSM is going to comment on this - they better see the entire thing and maybe even show it before they let one CAIR person comment on it.

Every person in Congress should be made to watch this.

Excellent job - horribly true too.

I wish it wasn't, but in the 7 - 8 years since 9/11 - Islam has only factual shown itself to be more violent and anti-Western Democracy.

Pro West! Pro Human Values! Pro Freedom.

Down with tryanny! Down with forced Sharia law!

Long live liberty, life, and happiness and artstic expressions of those values and ideas.

Posted by: Monkeywho at March 27, 2008 4:52 PM

My only mild criticism of him - by showing a photo of the Quran and then ripping off a page from the phone book made it look like actually ripping off a page from the Quran would be as repulsive as a beheading video being shown right to the end, in addition to making him look like a wuss. He does make a good point that it's upto Muslims themselves to tear off the hateful verses of the Quran, but in that case, all this looked like was a stunt that he didn't have the guts to pull off. Don't tell me that that would have earned him death threats - he's got that already.

*** I don't think he was being a wuss. I think he refrained from Islam "bashing" and let the facts allow Islam to hang itself. It showed class to not "trash" or "insult" a religion. Makes Fitna watertight and gives it more credibility.

Posted by: DeeMack at March 27, 2008 4:52 PM

Network Solutions Press Release On Removing Fitna

Official word.

Network Solutions’ Statement Regarding the Suspension of Fitnathemovie.com

Herndon, VA — March 24, 2008 — Over the last month, Network Solutions received a number of complaints regarding the website FITNATHEMOVIE.COM. At the same time, our hosting customer for this site also made several public comments regarding their plans for the use of this site. In response to the complaints and the customer’s public comments, Network Solutions has made repeated requests to discuss the matter with our customer. We have also requested to review the planned content prior to it being loaded onto the site to determine whether the content violates Network Solutions’ Acceptable Use Policy. We are still waiting to hear from our customer. In the interim, we have temporarily suspended the site.

During this suspension, the customer has full access to the site. If the customer provides Network Solutions with the content and it is determined that the content does not violate the Acceptable Use Policy, then the customer will be permitted to post the content. However, if it does violate our policy, then the customer is free to post the content using another number of other avenues, but not with Network Solutions.

Network Solutions is by no means taking any action to limit freedom of speech or to preemptively censor content. Our company also does not proactively police the content of our customers’ sites. If a complaint is received, however, we do conduct a review to determine whether the site’s content violates our company’s Acceptable Use Policy.

Network Solutions Press Release On Removing Fitna

Official word.

Network Solutions’ Statement Regarding the Suspension of Fitnathemovie.com

Herndon, VA — March 24, 2008 — Over the last month, Network Solutions received a number of complaints regarding the website FITNATHEMOVIE.COM. At the same time, our hosting customer for this site also made several public comments regarding their plans for the use of this site. In response to the complaints and the customer’s public comments, Network Solutions has made repeated requests to discuss the matter with our customer. We have also requested to review the planned content prior to it being loaded onto the site to determine whether the content violates Network Solutions’ Acceptable Use Policy. We are still waiting to hear from our customer. In the interim, we have temporarily suspended the site.

During this suspension, the customer has full access to the site. If the customer provides Network Solutions with the content and it is determined that the content does not violate the Acceptable Use Policy, then the customer will be permitted to post the content. However, if it does violate our policy, then the customer is free to post the content using another number of other avenues, but not with Network Solutions.

Network Solutions is by no means taking any action to limit freedom of speech or to preemptively censor content. Our company also does not proactively police the content of our customers’ sites. If a complaint is received, however, we do conduct a review to determine whether the site’s content violates our company’s Acceptable Use Policy.

Posted by: jafar at March 27, 2008 4:54 PM

Nomoors,
The film went from 420,000 views to 781,000 views in about 30 minutes, so be patient and keep trying.

Muslims' constant complaining has become the film's best advertising. Perfect.

Posted by: RalphInfidel at March 27, 2008 4:56 PM

"My only mild criticism of him - by showing a photo of the Quran and then ripping off a page from the phone book ..." (Infidel Pride).

No, I have to say that worked for me. It made me uncomfortable, and it made me think (the point about Muslims having to do the ripping out themselves was well made), but it was deliberately not disrespectful. If it had been, then Wilders could be criticised as a extreme right wing bigot, just deliberately being offensive. Oh, I forgot, he already has been!

I thought the film was excellent. I hope it will be widely seen by others than visitors to this site (who don't actually need to see it).

Posted by: Paul at March 27, 2008 4:58 PM

In one minor respect, the film is not accurate. The photograph that is supposed to show Mohammed Bouyeri, Theo van Gogh's murderer, is in fact a picture of Dutch-Moroccan rapper Salah Edin.

Posted by: Flying_Dutchman at March 27, 2008 4:58 PM

FREEDOM PREVAILS OVER ANY TYRANNY - ALWAYS AND FOR ETERNITY!

Robert Spencer, Geert Wilders, Hugh Fitzgerald lead the way to freedom and civilization and begin to loosen the bonds of 14-centuries old islamosupremacist slavery!

Posted by: TINBH at March 27, 2008 5:01 PM

Posted in red at the home page of www.liveleak.com

"Welcome, and thank you for visiting LiveLeak.com. Due to an increase in traffic and targetted hacking attacks, we have had to disable certain features. We hope you enjoy all that we have available at this time and we further hope that you will visit us again to explore the full range of features and interactivity that LiveLeak has to offer. If this is your first visit to LiveLeak.com we apologise for the fact your first impression of the site will be limited, check back in with us soon and you can join one of the most unique media sharing sites on the net offering everything from uncensored news through to entertainment. Thank you for your patience."

Heh, the islamists are scurrying to try to block it already. I think they were caught off guard by the early release.

Posted by: gymgal at March 27, 2008 5:05 PM

Is anybody else seeing a blank screen on this page at JW where the link is supposed to be to Fitna?

Guess I will have to skulk around the net to find it.

Posted by: Stand fast in the liberty at March 27, 2008 5:10 PM

Old Atlantic's statement about regarding suspending new business with Network Solutions while Network Solutions suspends Fitna. When NS has an explanation we shall see, until then I will take my new registrations to other vendors.

When NS finishes, I expect them to send a written apology to each and every survivor of 9-11 and of all other Muslim attacks depicted in the film.

Posted by: Old Atlantic at March 27, 2008 5:11 PM

Concerns about this video depicting a call to violence was accurate - however, not in the context the politically correct dhimmis were convinced. Wake up!

This excellent video should go viral . . .in case the video is pulled here are some additional links (via IBA):

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=7d9_1206624103

or download here: http://cdn.liveleak.com/16/media16/2008/Mar/27/LiveLeak-dot-com-197196-9896.flv

Torrent: http://www.mininova.org/tor/1275560

RapidShare (English): http://rs34.rapidshare.com/files/102852229/LiveLeak-dot-com-197196-9896.flv

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3369102968312745410&hl=en

Posted by: justamomof4 at March 27, 2008 5:11 PM

The great thing about this film is,
It consists of all news articles, video clips, photos, and Quran verses that are out
there for any one to view or publish.

What he did was put them all together with a powerful truth at the end ;that
Islam wants respect but it respects no one.

This is a good model film for any one who is creative to follow.

I can bet you will be seeing soon, a lot of amateur films with the same message.

I wonder how many people have tried to upload it on “you tube” . 

Posted by: Joe Schmoe USA at March 27, 2008 5:13 PM

"non-croyant, I thought that Tchaikovsky's "Arabian Dance" from the Nutcracker Suite was also a very good choice, somber and haunting."

Funny, also from Peer Gynt - just like Ase's Death - Grieg has an Arabian Dance - which I love. The whole Peer Gynt suite I love really.

I thought I named the wrong Grieg song for a minute after reading your comment, since I'm hardly a Classical music expert.

Posted by: non-croyant at March 27, 2008 5:13 PM

Those of you who have RealPlayer (the latest version), download the above video by right-click and selecting the option 'Download this video to RealPlayer'. That way, you don't have to depend on the site(s) being up, and you can post it on your blogs, home pages, wherever...

Posted by: Infidel Pride at March 27, 2008 5:14 PM

Of course we know this is false "Islam is Peace", you kaffirs how many times do we have to tell you that! huh?

The above statement sounds familiar guys...just wait this will be one of many familiar actions, words and God forbid violence and flag burning...I hope not.

I wish it would be like this: "The Ummah recognizes that this film has portrayed the Islamic doctrine accurately and that we need to reflect on these negative messages in the Koran so that the vicious cycle of violence is stopped in the name of Islam."

However, I think almost improbable, but more likely that use of taquiya is the logical choice for the Muslims.

Posted by: savsiv at March 27, 2008 5:14 PM

Sad to say I use Myspace but I will be posting bulletins everyday for the next two weeks to try to get out to everyone, just like the dems and libs use it to get their message out

Posted by: 19thgenamerican at March 27, 2008 5:16 PM

Also it has been posted already on Stumbleupon

Posted by: 19thgenamerican at March 27, 2008 5:17 PM

Very well done! Cheers for Wilders for showing the truer face of Islam, as Mo would have it. Moderates are just fools who should quickly dump this obvious madness from a 7th century con artist.

Lets have more visual truth about the mind poison that's Islam.

Posted by: FM at March 27, 2008 5:19 PM

Infidel Pride, people wh do not speak English or Dutch will naturally assume that a page from the Quran was ripped out. Here we go. I'm out of popcorn.

Posted by: Pelayo at March 27, 2008 5:20 PM

I second Joe Schmoe's comments. All this stuff is in the public domain, and he has merely compiled them. From one perspective it's disappointing: anyone could have done the same. But perhaps that is just the point -- this material is the elephant in the room of Western Liberal discourse. It is a breakthrough when someone with the exposure of Wilders says, "Oh! Look! An elephant!"

Wilders hardly speaks in this film. His voice (text actually) is heard only in the bland titles of the different sections and the brief call to Muslims to take definitive action.

Like Spencer he is simply an effective mirror: he shows what is there. If telling the truth is a crime, then Wilders and Spencer should be put away. If not, then many voices should echo these truths.

Wilders is not calling for violence against Muslims. The general sensitivity of this film makes it clear that he does not hate, not incites hatred against them. Nor do I.

Posted by: Archimedes2 at March 27, 2008 5:22 PM

jafar quoted a Network Solutions press release:

Network Solutions is by no means taking any action to limit freedom of speech or to preemptively censor content. Our company also does not proactively police the content of our customers’ sites. If a complaint is received, however, we do conduct a review to determine whether the site’s content violates our company’s Acceptable Use Policy.

Here is a link to send a (polite but firm) message to Network Solutions, to ask them why they DID limit freedom of speech and they DID preemptively censor content.

Posted by: special_guest at March 27, 2008 5:23 PM

People...what is the difference if WE see this.

This movie will not make a difference to US.

WE are not the target audience.

How can we ensure those who might see this short and THINK for a few minutes before tuning on American Idol, or Biggest Loser ..GET TO SEE IT?

We understand.

How can we ensure others begin to?

Posted by: epaminondas at March 27, 2008 5:25 PM

Okay, that link didn't work. Try this one, and then click on "General Support".

Posted by: special_guest at March 27, 2008 5:26 PM

Okay, their whole customer feedback system is not responding. Try calling them at: 1.888.642.9675, and ask Network Solutions why they refused to show Geert Wilder's movie.

Posted by: special_guest at March 27, 2008 5:31 PM

Bravo "Fitna!" Thank You, Geert!

Posted by: darcy at March 27, 2008 5:31 PM

Download:
http://rapidshare.com/files/102873205/Fitna-English.flv

Posted by: FreeSpeech at March 27, 2008 5:31 PM

Normally, I would join in the snarkfest, but the combination of images and music moves me only to rage and tears. I can't even think, at this moment.

Posted by: Jauhara Al-Kafirah at March 27, 2008 5:32 PM

Thanks for the torrent link; Fitna is now on my hard drive.

Posted by: non-croyant at March 27, 2008 5:33 PM

YES SIR!!!!! CLEAN,LEAN AND MEAN.

Posted by: poetcomic1 at March 27, 2008 5:35 PM

The film is excellent. I didn't expect it to be so well produced. The visibility it will have is to be rejoiced at. I wish jihadwatch could be as widely seen.

A couple of images I didn't understand. The American soldier being dragged through the street in Somalia? Muslims were doing the dragging, but did that have anything to do with their religion?

Bloodied children in the "Netherlands of the future"? Why exactly? Victimization of women and gays, yes, but why children?

The analogies with which the film ends to the other dangerous ideologies from which Europe has been recently freed was a punch that should be heard around the world.

We know what will be heard around the world, however: irrational screaming - and cowardly submission to the irrational screaming.

Posted by: Novalis at March 27, 2008 5:35 PM

"Bloodied children in the 'Netherlands of the future'? Why exactly? Victimization of women and gays, yes, but why children?"

The bloodied children were the victims of Shi'ite ritualistic mortification of the flesh that adults usually inflict upon themselves (self-mortification in honor of Hussain).

Even though it's shocking, repulsive, and reprehensible, the wounds are actually usually pretty superficial if my understanding is correct.

Posted by: non-croyant at March 27, 2008 5:39 PM

The beheading of Mr. Armstrong and his screams should be transmitted wordlwide....as well as poor Nick Berg, Mr. Johnson and all other beheading victims. I feel these are more powerful than Fitna, and perfectly self-describe the innermost muslim mindset and behavior.

If you want to see how muslims treat prisoners of war, just search liveleak.com for dagestan videos.

Beware! Very graphic and horrifying. Will probably make you want to take up arms.

Posted by: No More Ham, Ed at March 27, 2008 5:42 PM

"A couple of images I didn't understand. The American soldier being dragged through the street in Somalia? Muslims were doing the dragging, but did that have anything to do with their religion?"

The body being dragged I think was a contractor in Fallujah, Iraq. Insurgents of that time were motivated either by the politics of Baathism, Islam, or both IIRC.

Posted by: non-croyant at March 27, 2008 5:43 PM

non-croyant:

The bloodied children have to do with the Shia "celebration" of Ashoura - the anniversary of the martyrdom of Husayn, grandson of Mohammad.

Posted by: Occupant at March 27, 2008 5:44 PM

The rhythm of the piece is simplicity itself.

1. Quranic text. "Behead them, burn them"

2. This text affirmed and preached today. Imams preaching "Behead them, burn them."

3. This text acted upon. Literally. Images of actual infidels beheaded. Burned.

4. Often further affirmation of the literal meaning of the text from 'the street'. "Yes if converted to christianity should be killed. Yes, if my mother committed adultery I would kill her..."

Simple as it can be. It WORKS for me.

Posted by: poetcomic1 at March 27, 2008 5:45 PM

>>The film is accurate. Will Muslims rage against the truth? --RS

Of course. They always do.

Posted by: darcy at March 27, 2008 5:46 PM

"non-croyant:

The bloodied children have to do with the Shia "celebration" of Ashoura - the anniversary of the martyrdom of Husayn, grandson of Mohammad."

That's basically what I said, wasn't it?

Posted by: non-croyant at March 27, 2008 5:46 PM

non-croyant:

Sorry - that was for Novalis, but you were on it first.

Posted by: Occupant at March 27, 2008 5:47 PM

WOW .........I do hope the world wakes up......

Posted by: mountiangirl at March 27, 2008 5:48 PM

I have just watched Fitna, and unless the free world takes decisive action and stops pandering to these savages, a barbaric dystopian future will await many of our children, grandchildren and great-grandchildren 50, 100, or 150 years from now. And we will have been responsible for letting them down, not to mention letting down several generations of our ancestors, who fought for the freedoms we take for granted today, the freedoms we are gradually squandering with every passing day, and won't look too kindly upon us if we meet up with them in the afterlife, should this come to pass.

Anyone with more than a handful of brain cells should know that Islam is a religion of war, and its followers are devoted to toppling our civilization and reducing us and future generations to servitude in our own ancestral homes - in fact end all progress in our present day citadel of civilization. They've been trying to destroy us for over 1,300 years, and they won't stop anytime soon - indeed they believe we have at the most only 100 or so years left, and that drives them on. Our collective spinelessness and appeasement through our restraint-urging media, lawyers, tree-huggers and so-called leaders have helped to formulate the belief amongst Jihadis that we are nearing the end game and there for the taking.

The only reason why we survived the Jihad for so long is because we in the West produced people like Charles Martel, Pelayo, de la Valette, Jan Sobieski and the men and women who fought under them, who knew the consequences of failure and drove back the Jihadists, thereby preventing Sharia becoming the law of our lands. The inventions the West has produced over the last few centuries were only made possible by stopping and turning back the Jihad. And yet there are apologists out there who are enabling this end. Doesn't that picture of a three and a half year old who is already committed to hating Jews say everything about that cult? This is why there will never be peace, because the next generation of terrorists has already been born and is being nurtured for their murderous roles 15 or so years from now, and that will continue until they get their final victory, or unless we grow a spine and crush them once and for all. They are being mentally and physically equipped to take the places of those who are already out there murdering infidels, and whilst our own kids are playing with Playstations, they are playing with imitation AK47s and bomb belts and being taught that it is glorious to murder our Playstation generation, and that Paradise awaits those who succeed in blowing up our kith and kin. But we and our leaders refuse to see this. Brainwashed and crippled by 40 years of political correctness, we and our leaders are so ill-equipped and ill-informed for what is coming to us within the next 20 years or so. If we are to survive, then political correctness has to be ditched to give us a fighting chance, and criticism of Islam shouldn't be denounced any longer as hate speech by sappy politically-correct jobsworths. We are now into the third Great Jihad that is being waged against our civilization, and have been since 2001, and arguably since 1979. There certainly won't be a fourth.

Posted by: Spirit Of 1683 at March 27, 2008 5:49 PM

Unfortunately Wilders didn't quote the terror verses from the Koran, to make the direct association with Islam and terror.

Posted by: sheik yer'mami at March 27, 2008 5:49 PM

Fitna is simply Islam being Islam.
I don't know what moslems can find offensive about it.
Quotes from the Quran, beheading infidels, Friday sermons of hatred, what's not to love?
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Posted by: interestinconundrum at March 27, 2008 5:50 PM

Oh, you thought I was asking the question since I headed up my post with a quote from the middle of the post of the person who asked.

I'll try blockquote again:

Testing - does this work?

It seemed like it was turned off when I tried it before.

Posted by: non-croyant at March 27, 2008 5:50 PM

I had been rather anxious that it would turn out to be something which could easily be dismissed as merely scurrilous.
So it was a relief to see that is actually well-made, factual, and forceful.
So I have to wonder what all the fuss was about, and if any of those witless ninnies who wanted to apologise for it in advance have now actually taken the time to watch it, and whether any of them now might be feeling very, very SILLY ?

Posted by: M Al-Content at March 27, 2008 5:53 PM

As you watch Wilder's excellent Fitna, remember that people are going to die because this understated 15-minute fact-based movie was released. Somewhere, someday, kufirs are going to pay for this affront to Allah with their blood.

Posted by: special_guest at March 27, 2008 5:55 PM

"Somewhere, someday, kufirs are going to pay for this affront to Allah with their blood."

If the past is anything to go on it will be Muslims' co-religionists who die in the immediate reaction to the film.

Here's my reaction to that possibility.

Posted by: non-croyant at March 27, 2008 6:01 PM

Fitna is powerful, gripping, horrifying.

"Muslims will take over the world."
"Freedom go to hell." ???

Never!!!

Posted by: Battle_of_Tours at March 27, 2008 6:02 PM

I have been lurking here for quite some time...I think I will post now.

This is perhaps the most well done short I have ever seen. I am impressed.

I am glad Mr. Spencer has the intestinal fortitude to host this, and I hope it will be seen far and wide.

Myke

Posted by: Mykael at March 27, 2008 6:04 PM

That paper tarring sound at the end. Then the caption "a phone book". Then the following graphics show the Koran again. Just a thought???

Posted by: Im.mad.as.HELL! at March 27, 2008 6:05 PM

If liveleak is still overloaded, here is a link to a torrent that seems to be clean and works, http://www.mininova.org/tor/1275560.

Posted by: drewgorman at March 27, 2008 6:06 PM

I am sorry I doubted the release of the Film.

Gripping presentation.

The words of Muslims through their own Mouths and deeds-PRICELESS.

Makes one wish they would all turn to Flies.

Posted by: flowerknife_us at March 27, 2008 6:07 PM

It's up on a MSM 'blog down here:
Three cheers for Andrew Bolt! You can comment there if you like.

http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/wilders_film/

There was not much on it that most of us don't already know.
However it will help get the word out.

Good for Wilders, Robert and Liveleak!

Posted by: Gramfan at March 27, 2008 6:07 PM

"Somewhere, someday, kufirs are going to pay for this affront to Allah with their blood."

Everywhere, every day, BEFORE Fitna was released, kufirs have been paying with their blood for their affronts to Allah. Just being non-muslim is an affront to Allah.

Posted by: cumulusnine at March 27, 2008 6:07 PM

Powerful film. I fear however, that the witless liberals who have so much sway in our societies, will merely scream "hate" and "islamophobia" no matter how watertight the facts in the film, and that will be the debate over.

Posted by: Uriel Septim at March 27, 2008 6:07 PM

Non-Croyant ...

Oh, that is sooooooooooooooooooo funny!!!!!

Thank you!!!

Posted by: Morgaan Sinclair at March 27, 2008 6:07 PM

The time to remain timid is long past over...in just a few days of each other, Cristiano and Geert have publicly called out the wolf. I can only hope to be as brave as either of them, and many other heroes and truth tellers, nameless and not so nameless.

Posted by: Jauhara Al-Kafirah at March 27, 2008 6:11 PM

You can download the film via the following utorrent link. Make sure to keep your torrent of the file open so it can be distributed much more quickly as folks find out about it being there.

http://thepiratebay.org/search/fitna/0/99/0

Hopefully people will be able to see it, since the media are unwilling to speak of the elephant in the room lest members of "the religion of peace" murder then for telling the truth about Islamic evils.

Posted by: James Martel at March 27, 2008 6:13 PM

WOW!

This is going to be 5x's worse than Motoons. Especially the insuation at the end of ripping a page in the Quran. There's going to be a BIGTIME reaction!

Posted by: Triumphant_Paladin at March 27, 2008 6:21 PM

WOW!

This is going to be 5x's worse than Motoons. Especially the insinuation at the end of ripping a page in the Quran. There's going to be a BIGTIME reaction!

Posted by: Triumphant_Paladin at March 27, 2008 6:21 PM

This fifteen-minute film must immediately be provided with versions dubbed in French, Spanish, Italian, Russian, German, and another two dozen languages, not forgetting Hindi, Urdu, Chinese, Korean, Japanese, and various versions of Bahasa. No time to waste.

And it should be seen as the first in a series, not stand-alone.

There is plenty more in the Qur'an. He did not touch Sura 9. There are the Hadith. There is the Sira, and the details of Muhammad's life.

A first installment.

The reaction, I think, will be milder than one might have expected just a month ago. The word must surely have gone out to cool it, the Infidels are watching.

Posted by: Hugh at March 27, 2008 6:22 PM

Simply appalling... And with less and less being vocalized, onward it creeps.

Posted by: kpats at March 27, 2008 6:22 PM

I am somewhat surprised that so many of you think that there will be some sort of violent backlash because of this film.

Our President, the right honorable George W. Bush, has assured us not only that Islam is a religion of peace, but that Islam, translated into English, means "peace."

Just Relax!

PS: Right now, I am too busy stocking up on the essentials to worry about popcorn.

Posted by: patagonianplato at March 27, 2008 6:28 PM

Not sure why the Orks will be getting their panties all in a wad since we've seen most of this footage before. But the way Wilders brings it together, and with that choice of music, is brilliant.

Now it's up to Muslims to make him wrong or make him right. Something tells me they won't be able to helps themselves.

Posted by: Isabellathecrusader at March 27, 2008 6:31 PM

Patagonia girl - Serenity now, Serenity now, SERENITY NOW!!!!

Posted by: Jauhara Al-Kafirah at March 27, 2008 6:31 PM

If there was a demostration in Vancouver in support of Wilders, I will be there.

Posted by: Isamisevil at March 27, 2008 6:32 PM

wow

American politicians must follow his example. This film is awesome, and already so many millions have seen it in one day. Everyone is coming to know the hatred that is in the Koran

Posted by: JesseP_UAC at March 27, 2008 6:33 PM

You can download it on my site now also. It's in flashview format.

Posted by: PRCalDude at March 27, 2008 6:42 PM

Geert Wilders, God bless his soul, is a dead man walking.

Posted by: Triumphant_Paladin at March 27, 2008 6:44 PM

*Dearest ROBERT* posted this so quick,, I just wanted my comments in the correct thread,, 'scuse the same post in the Bomb Contest, thread,,

~~~~~~~~

Greetings Folks,

Just watched Fitna, and it is a very powerful 15 minutes. Geert Wilders, did a awesome job on this one.

Sent it out to all my tattooed, harley ridin' biker friends, all over the planet. And of course my part of the infidel nation networks. And then on all the social networks, I blog, party and flirt at,, GRIN!!!

They will all be impressed too!!

Geert Wilders, I buy you virtual rounds, afew JD's,,,!!

Lot's of bacon too,

cos,, we all love pig roasts in the summer!!!

)0(
solsticewitch13
"don't annoy the bikers"

Posted by: solsticewitch13 at March 27, 2008 6:45 PM

Here's a short video about Network Solutions' preemptive censorship of Fitna. Shows Glenn Beck interviewing bestselling novelist Brad Thor. Thor withdrew his business from Network Solutions because of the preemptive censorship of Fitna. May everyone else do the same.

Cheers to all, the release of Fitna is a moment to celebrate.

Posted by: traeh at March 27, 2008 6:47 PM

PS,, I just sent it to Tom Tancredo and Glen Beck,, ,, they are friends on a social networking site,, GRIN!!!

)0(
solsticewitch13

Posted by: solsticewitch13 at March 27, 2008 6:49 PM

This film is a disgrace -completely Islamophobic and unrepresentative of Islam, which as everyone knows is a religion of.. - no wait...

Posted by: Un:dhimmi at March 27, 2008 6:49 PM

Geert Wilders, God bless his soul, is a dead man walking. Posted by: Triumphant_Paladin

We're all going to die sooner or later. No one can predict when. Better to die doing something worthwhile in defiance of tyranny than in quiet submission. They can't get us all.

Posted by: PRCalDude at March 27, 2008 6:53 PM

Hugh is right. In fact, Wilders should have titled this Fitna, Part 1. Imagine how that would have freaked out the Dutch dhimmis and the Quraniacs: "Ooooh noooo! (whine, whine, snivel, snivel) This is only part 1???!! What are we gonna do???!!!"

Posted by: traeh at March 27, 2008 7:02 PM

From the comments at the Fitna site:
Look at someone who made the movie… they are afraid of Islam!!! Lol! its surely going to take over. The quranic verses used in it are totally used out of context….lets face the fact, look at paestine, look at iraq, look at afghanistan, look at pakistan…..these are not at all disturbing images….all the europeans, americans and britishers must see the actual world…come out of the comfort zones and the media created propoganda world….look whats happening in the world and who is killin whom!!!

Same tired arguments.

Posted by: interestinconundrum at March 27, 2008 7:05 PM

Bravo! Geert Wilders rules. Let's hope millions of people are watching it right now!

Posted by: ImNoDhimmi at March 27, 2008 7:07 PM

What a bunch of gutless wonders over at townhall. com.

For a few minutes, there was a news piece by Toby Sterling about the release of "Fitna."

Not only is it gone, but you have to search like heck to even prove that it ever existed.

Posted by: patagonianplato at March 27, 2008 7:09 PM

http://www.radionetherlands.nl/news/international/5705948/Dutch-PM-Islam-does-not-equal-violence

The dhimmis are beginning the whitewashing game and ploughing the official line; it doesnt matter how good an argument you make, the same old tired games and arguments get dragged out to squash debate. Head, brick wall.

"...they are afraid of Islam!!! Lol! its surely going to take over..." - dya think this fella even realises the irony of his comment in light of the films content??

Posted by: Uriel Septim at March 27, 2008 7:10 PM

Staggering!

If you need a .flv player I got one here:

http://www.download.com/FLV-Player/3000-2139_4-10467081.html

I downloaded it on bit torrent and my PC is on...

Posted by: James at March 27, 2008 7:13 PM

I applaud Geert Wilders' bravey and his concern for his countrymen.


Fitna, is an expression of his beliefs and concerns just as jihad, murder, terror, female genital mutilation are the result of following the Koran.


Fitna, does not expose anything new about Islam. Nor does it expose anything new about Muslims or the Koran.


As a Pentecostal, my first and foremost concern for all people is their salvation. Yes, the violence and atrocities the Muslims commit are a grave concern but not nearly as much as seeing so many people wholly given to the idolatry of Islam. Their idolatry is what fuels their hatred, their arrogance, their murderous and destructive rages.


Idolatry is the problem.


The Koran is the means by which the fires of idolatry are stoked to a white hot fire.

Posted by: Larry L. Sharp at March 27, 2008 7:21 PM

G-d bless Wilders and Spencer for putting the truth up.

"FITNA" and "Obsession" should be required viewing in public schools after public schools teach the "five pillars of islam" like a bunch of dhimmis.

Posted by: HateCaliphate at March 27, 2008 7:21 PM

interestingconundrum said

Same tired arguments.

I think we've heard the entire arsenal of responses from Islam (where "you" below does not refer to interestingconundrum, it refers to whomever criticises any element of Dar al-Islam):

- You are the terrorists.
- You are racist. You are an Islamophobe.
- You took it out of context. You cherry-picked.
- You are on the side of the jihadis.
- You don't have the credentials or training to understand Islam. You don't speak Arabic.

There is never a reasoned response to the points raised. It's always ad hominem attacks.

And we kufirs are getting tired of the same tired arguments.

Posted by: special_guest at March 27, 2008 7:24 PM

Larry L. Sharp -

I could not agree with you more. I despise this false and hate-filled ideology and support the efforts to expose it and fight against it.

At the same time, the millions caught up in it are precious souls to God (the God of the Bible) and need our prayers.

Posted by: Mo at March 27, 2008 7:25 PM

Well I think we all know who is going to be the winner of the International Anti-Dhimmi of the Year award.

Posted by: Patriot_1/17 at March 27, 2008 7:26 PM

yet another link

3EBF702C_LiveLeak-dot-com-197203-1fc4.flv.torrent

Posted by: alsopinion at March 27, 2008 7:28 PM

This great, use muslim's own unholy book and actual news accounts to show how they both relate to all the violence, bloodshed, and hatred wherever muslims are in large numbers. No fantasies, no satire, no make believe just the actual evidence. Good job geert I wish we had brave politicians like that in UK and USA, instead of these dhimmi wussies.

Posted by: desidude at March 27, 2008 7:30 PM

Hugh said:

"The reaction, I think, will be milder than one might have expected just a month ago. The word must surely have gone out to cool it, the Infidels are watching."

While I agree with 95% of what Hugh writes, I respectfully disagree here - if indeed he's implying the reaction will be mild. Personally, I think the outcry is going to be 5x's worse than the Mottons crisis. Possible things Muslims will take offence to other than the truth:

1. The lead in to Fitna shows the most 'controversial' of Motoons: the bomb-shaped turban on Mohammed.

2. The graph showing the population rise of Muslims in Holland since 1906. Obviously, most of these persons arn't connected to terrorism in any way so the cry of 'rasism' will be rampant.

3. The biggest one of all: the insinuation of ripping the Quran, 'The perfect book, at the end. We may not think its a big deal, but there's gonna be hell to pay for that. The fact that Wilders cuts out before the ripping sound, and qualifies the noise by saying 'its the sound of a ripping phonebook' will make little difference. To most muslims, he might as well have actually ripper the Quran.

Prediction: Hundreds of thousands will rally in Theran, Gaza, and elsewhere and riots will unfold in places in Europe. The possibility this doesn't happen is if the leaders of various organizations intentionally tell their proxies to cool it. Good luck with that!

I wouldn't want to own property in a Paris suberb about now!

Posted by: Triumphant_Paladin at March 27, 2008 7:35 PM

solsticewitch13,

You wasted your time sending it to Glenn Beck. He claimed to have read the Qur'an and said unequivocally Islam is a religion of peace. The guy is dead on on so many issues, but he is lost when it comes to Islam.

Posted by: Elric66 at March 27, 2008 7:36 PM

Ugh, I hate how the comments here always turn into a forum for proselytes.

Posted by: non-croyant at March 27, 2008 7:38 PM

Friday Prayers a comin'..... there's gonna be a seethin'

Posted by: Un:dhimmi at March 27, 2008 7:40 PM

Thank you Mr. Spencer - I appreciate you showing it to us and not doing it via youtube.com since they have been obeying the muslims and censoring the truth.

Posted by: R_not at March 27, 2008 7:41 PM

To think that they weren't going to show this film for fear of upsetting Islam - those politicians who opposed the film must feel stupid tonight - as the film is mostly done in the Muslims own words.

A big HA..HA..there !

That is why we have free speech and freedom of expression - and the film more than anything - reinforces why we should maintain our freedoms and why we shouldn't give in to Islamic threats or fears of 'offending' -- as what are we trading our freedoms in for - we really don't even want to know.

Admittedly I don't fully understand repression
and I don't want to understand it.

What is scary is how close our politicians came to giving up our freedoms or how close they came to asking us/Wilders to compromise underlying beliefs - for an Islam, which rejects freedoms and individual rights. How quickly they would trade our freedoms in for repression?

Bravo

To think they would want to kill Wilders for replaying their own words!

Posted by: Cole at March 27, 2008 7:42 PM

This great clip seems like a sequel to "Friday the 13th" or "Halloween", proving once again that reality is stranger, and far more horrifying, than fiction.
Jason's hockey mask always made him seem more sinister, as do the masks of the jihadis. But isn't that the point? It's all about a bunch of self-important nebbishes boosting their weak egos by intimidating people. Boo!

Posted by: jewdog at March 27, 2008 7:45 PM

Let me add reason #4 for ensuing chaos for reasons other than the truth:

One scene, and I paraphrase, went something like this:

" We defeated the third reich in 1944, we deafted communism in 1989, now its time to defeat Islam(ism)"

That's not going to go down to well.

Posted by: Triumphant_Paladin at March 27, 2008 7:47 PM

patagonianplato,

My friend, you must be busy indeed; haven't heard much from you lately. You must be farsighted, indeed--stock up on foodstuffs, water, and ammo.

Take care, and watch out for those radicalized lesser rhea converts ("reverts") down there, called to jihad by the notorious terrorist Awastruz al-Amrik al-Sur!

LOL!

Posted by: John C at March 27, 2008 7:48 PM

To think they would want to kill Wilders for replaying their own words!

They want to kill Geert Wilders now because he has dared to stand up to their threats.
He did not fold.

Posted by: interestinconundrum at March 27, 2008 7:49 PM

The time will come when we shall practice the golden rule..."do unto them as they are doing unto us"

Posted by: james collins at March 27, 2008 7:52 PM

I'm surprised that the comments section is not getting more action. Sure, I have been enthusiastic about it - I am that guy from the cartoon who won't go to bed because "someone is wrong on the Internet!" - but the comments section of the site for the movie is a rare opportunity to communicate our opinions to all kinds of people outside of our echo chamber - including the Muslims who you KNOW are watching the film and reading the comments.

I can't resist the chance.

Posted by: non-croyant at March 27, 2008 7:52 PM

History! I think I just heard the first shot fired over Fort Sumter.

Posted by: PraiaFlamego at March 27, 2008 7:56 PM

Does anyone know if any demonstrations in support of Geert Wilders are being planned in New York?

Posted by: margheri at March 27, 2008 8:07 PM

Fitna 2 the sequel...coming soon...

Posted by: duh_swami at March 27, 2008 8:08 PM

To think they would want to kill Wilders for replaying their own words!

They want to kill Geert Wilders now because he has dared to stand up to their threats.
He did not fold.

True, but here's a little update from Holland. Ever since Theo van Gogh was ritually slaughtered on a sidewalk in Amsterdam, Geert Wilders has been living under a permanent deaththreat, as well as Ayaan Hirsi Ali. The orthodox muslim Mohammed Bouyeri "stuck" that death warrant on Van Gogh's chest.

So Mr. Wilders has been forced to live for 4 years now under constant protection by body-guards, moving from one safehouse to another hideout.

Kind regs from Amsterdam,
Sagunto

Posted by: Sagunto at March 27, 2008 8:08 PM

Hugh wrote above:

"This fifteen-minute film must immediately be provided with versions dubbed in French, Spanish, Italian, Russian, German, and another two dozen languages, not forgetting Hindi, Urdu, Chinese, Korean, Japanese, and various versions of Bahasa. No time to waste.

And it should be seen as the first in a series, not stand-alone.

There is plenty more in the Qur'an. He did not touch Sura 9. There are the Hadith. There is the Sira, and the details of Muhammad's life.

A first installment." - Posted by: Hugh at March 27, 2008 6:22 PM

"And another two dozen languages": put HEBREW at the top of that two dozen. Then, just for fun, Turkish and Farsi (Infidel satellite broadcasters [yoohoo! Russia!] with a mid-east footprint could - unannounced - broadcast it in same). Thai. Tagalog (Filipino lingua franca). Portuguese. Amharic (official language of Ethiopia). Swahili. Tok Pisin (lingua franca of Papua-New Guinea, whose Melanesian kinfolk in West Papua are being subjected to Jihad and sharia creep and unlimited Muslim immigration and raiding even as I write). Top of the list should be those languages used by societies that are currently fighting off Jihad.

Yes: a first installment.

Part Two: "Itbah al-Yahood!" (critically urgent, given the hysterical pitch of genocidal antisemitic rhetoric spewing forth right now). Get Bostom and Bat Yeor together with Magdi Cristiano Allam, Phyllis Chesler, Pierre Rehov, Itamar Marcus, and follow precisely the same format: what the Quran + Sira + Hadith say about Muhammad & Muslims & the Jews & what Muhammad did & said; what the Muslim theologians, past & right now, said and say; what Muslims did and do to Jews and what they intend to do - quote Jacques Ellul - "the dreadful jeopardy (l'horrible aventure) of the present Age: both the Shoah the Nazis committed, and that which the Muslims have prepared". If it can be done, get this one out before the end of June.

Dedicate it to the following: the three Jewish women Muhammad raped and put in his harem, after all their menfolk were killed in battles he had initiated: Juwariyya, Safiyya, and teenage Rayhana who (brave girl!) chose the low status of concubine rather than abandon her Jewish faith; the Banu Qurayzah; the Banu Nadir; and the Jews of the Khaybar Oasis.

Another part could be historic: 'Islam in Persia and India'. The Quranic and theological teachings + historic examples could put the spotlight on Muslim attitudes toward, and treatment of, those who are NOT 'people of the book'. (Thus, the destruction of Hindu temples in Malaysia, and the beheadings and shootings of Buddhist monks in Thailand, and the blowing up of the Bamiyan Buddhas, could be related to the source texts).

One part of the series could be called simply 'ABEED' (subtitle in English colloquial - 'nigger!') - plenty of stuff in Quran, Sira and Hadith, and in historic and contemporary theology/ jurisprudence and historic record about THAT. Main focus and target audience = Africa and the African diaspora worldwide. Begin with accounts of Islam and its black slaves in the 8th/ 9th century; end with what is happening in S Sudan and Darfur.

Another part: The Perfect Man. (Boil down 'The Truth about Muhammad' into fifteen hectic minutes).

Another: 'Protected'. 15-minute exposition of Islam's treatment of dhimmis, as prescribed by the texts, as preached, and as playing out in practice. Contemporary evidence from, for example, Coptic Christians, Pakistani Christians and Malaysian Chinese, relating how the way they are being treated conforms precisely to the patterns established by Islamic theologians and jurists, and recorded in 1300 years of the Empire of Islam.

Final remark: good on all of you who have already begun to scatter Wilders' film far and wide across cyberspace.

Together with a dvd of 'Submission', and copies of 'The Truth About Muhammad' and 'The Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam and the Crusades', a dvd copy of Wilders' film requires to be presented to every Infidel high school across the West - and beyond. It should be classified M15+ and shown to every kid in senior class (Years 11 and 12, in Australia).

As soon as my husband has managed to sort out a decent quality download of this, we will be burning it onto disc and presenting copies to the two high schools our children attend. There are also the high schools that WE attended, long ago; they also will be receiving copies, with covering letters.

Jewish schools (for high school age kids), and Catholic and other Christian high schools, should be getting copies of this and showing it to the older kids, ASAP.

From what little I've seen so far (I couldn't watch it all because my 10 year old daughter was peering over my shoulder and I had to pause it) it appears to be both ruthlessly accurate and tastefully, even beautifully, presented.

It is interesting, in light of Hugh's remark that Wilders did not touch on Surah 9, that even without mentioning Surah 9 one can show that contemporary violent speeches and acts of violence by jihadis are in perfect conformity to the canonical texts of Islam.

Posted by: dumbledoresarmy at March 27, 2008 8:13 PM

Now I remember...

Islam sucks!

It sucked in the 6th century, It sucked in 12th century, It sucked in 17th century, It sucks in 21st century...

The Kingdom of Islam is like the lost planet! They are stuck forever in their “golden age”. The faster this religion goes the way of the faith of the Aztecs…the better. I would put the chances of them ever reforming it at 1%.

Thanks, Mr. Wilders…keep up the good work.

Posted by: greatcometof1577 at March 27, 2008 8:17 PM

WOW!

I don't know what to say........ And the effects are just beginning to ripple accross the world.

Time for talk now.

Just what does your neighboring Muslim believe?

Posted by: Abrog8 at March 27, 2008 8:25 PM

>>>>
solsticewitch13,

You wasted your time sending it to Glenn Beck. He claimed to have read the Qur'an and said unequivocally Islam is a religion of peace. The guy is dead on on so many issues, but he is lost when it comes to Islam.
>>>

HI Elric66,,

That's ok,, I send him stuff all the time. I figure, the more info he reads the more educated he will hopefully get one day.

fingers crossed,,

Posted by: solsticewitch13 at March 27, 2008 8:31 PM

PraiaFlamego, they didn't exactly fire "over" Fort Sumter.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1b/FortSumter1865.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8f/InteriorViewFtSumter1864.jpg

I certainly hope that Wilders movie has a similar result.

Posted by: Pelayo at March 27, 2008 8:39 PM

Geert's film is magnificent. It's powerful, and speaks the truth.

Geert is the Churchill of our times.

Long live Geert!

Posted by: Voltaire at March 27, 2008 8:41 PM

We all need to give Obama and his spiritual guide, the right Rev. Wright credit for having been so timely in setting the stage for Wilders film. The good Rev. Wright and his Spiritual message really pales in comparison to what the Imans and spokesman for Islam have to say. If Americans found what the Good Rev said was repulsive then can you imagine...

Fox news did announce the release of the Film,now the question is will they actually cover it? Will the 4th estate do a Networks Solution writ large?

Posted by: flowerknife_us at March 27, 2008 8:44 PM

Chilling...

I sat at my computer screen for 10 minutes feeling bothing numb & nauseous before able to comment.

This film shows both the word of the Qur'an and the evil actions of Muslims that line up with what's written - and not a word from Wilder - and yet he and others will be the target of outrage and violence because the truth about Islam has been compiled and revealed.

Twisted and backwards justice is the response we can expect from Muslims over this. Such an evil and pathetic religion.

Posted by: champ at March 27, 2008 8:44 PM

..."both"...not bothing

Posted by: champ at March 27, 2008 8:45 PM

Maybe this will finally serve as a wake-up call to Europeans. On the Amazon (US) page for Bruce Bawer's "While Europe Slept" there are 203 comments; on Amazon UK: 15; on Amazon FR: 0.

People are worried that Fitna will inflame the Muslims which could provoke a reaction from the hard right-wingers - so the party line is that we should all be polite and keep quiet while the hate crimes continue (didn't hate speech become illegal in Germany at least after WWII? Why are imams issuing fatwas exempt?). Bawer points out that the Euro governments policies of ignoring the problem will set the stage perfectly for populist right-wingers to mobilize hate and fear in the Judeo-Christian majority, just like the Fascists and Nazis did.

A free society can't tolerate intolerance - and the Muslim fundamentalists are the most intolerant bunch known to history.

Posted by: Luber at March 27, 2008 8:47 PM

A powerful few minutes of film!

Posted by: Always On Watch at March 27, 2008 8:50 PM

Thanks to JW we've seen it

Geert is brave and done a very good..VERY GOOD.. work on Fitna.....the documentary and more...I've forwarded it to my three adult children and all my friends in very MANY US states immediately..with all the, yes, necessary hype on our US election in NOV, the overlay on the 1st page by JW on Fitna ie "no particular place or time" just Islam for 1400 years was not lost on me (not particularly bright)and therefore will not be lost on many, many very necessary others..thanks Robert, Hugh, Marisol and Dennis...Nodak

Posted by: nodak at March 27, 2008 8:52 PM

Do I hear hints of cowerdice from some posters as to the muslim reaction to this film? Are they scared as what these muslims will do if they see this film and it's contents? Well, I say bring it on. Bring on the jihad and violence right now, get it over with. I would rather a have a real war with islam that a slow and steady jihad as in the present. Anything is better than the slow strangulation of creeping islamisim.

Posted by: desidude at March 27, 2008 9:06 PM

Infidel Pride:

Oh yeah, sure, you think he did a fine job highlighting gays. I'm sure you care about their fate.

Posted by: Kafir Nonbeliever at March 27, 2008 9:06 PM

Um, excuse me, but when exactly did Islam rule the entire world?

Yeah, I didn't think so.

Posted by: Isabellathecrusader at March 27, 2008 9:10 PM

Hola John C.,

Great to hear from you.

Unfortunately, the Chavez loving Southern Wicked Witch of all points of the compass has instituted policies that have royally peed-off the farmers. She seems to want to take one of the greatest agricultural producers in the world and turn it into a starving nation.

The farmers are blockading the highways preventing food from reaching the big city, and, they are not bringing in the fall harvest.

I just returned from a protest against her. These people are not going to just roll-over as others have. They are fighters.

Tough times are ahead!

PS, Everyone, Sorry for being off-topic!

Posted by: patagonianplato at March 27, 2008 9:20 PM

>>>
Do I hear hints of cowerdice from some posters as to the muslim reaction to this film? Are they scared as what these muslims will do if they see this film and it's contents?
Posted by: desidude at March 27, 2008 9:06 PM
>>>

The irony is that those who do fear the muslim response accuse others of being islamophobic...

Posted by: Last Adam at March 27, 2008 9:26 PM

Thanks for posting 'Fitna'. Not knowing how long it might stay available, I considered it important to acknowledge your efforts (and risks).

While nothing in the short film is all that surprising, it will be interesting to note the various reactions of Europeans, Americans, and Muslims.

Posted by: CR at March 27, 2008 9:28 PM

Wow! Enough to wake up Europe and the rest of the west? Nah. It will take a nuke in a major western city to do that. And even then...? Still it will be fun to read about Muslims burning rioting and killing each other tomorrow to show how wrong the film is and how peaceful Islam is. Rock on my Muslim brothers. Educate us about the peace of Islam and it's true nature.

Posted by: Rick at March 27, 2008 9:32 PM

Infidel Pride:

My only mild criticism of him - by showing a photo of the Quran and then ripping off a page from the phone book...looked like was a stunt that he didn't have the guts to pull off.

I don't agree. It was done for a reason. The lengthy pause after the ripping sound gives Muslim viewers time enough to work themselves into a frothing rage at the thought of their hate manual being desecrated... only to made to feel foolish seconds later when they find out that it was just a telephone book being torn. Wilders knows what he is doing.

But I have to agree with poster Flying Dutchman - getting the Mohammed Bouyeri photo wrong was a bad error for such a well-produced film, and will unfortunately give ammo to critics who say that Wilders doesn't know what he is talking about. The Dutch media has already picked up on it.

But all the same, it was excellent. Its imagery - the ranting speeches, the sinister rallies, the goose-stepping children - was perfect for getting the message across to European viewers that Islamism is fascism with a Middle Eastern accent. And hearing the Sura passages spoken aloud in Arabic, while reading their translations... that was truly chilling.

Posted by: Matamoros at March 27, 2008 9:32 PM

Wow! Enough to wake up Europe and the rest of the west? Nah. It will take a nuke in a major western city to do that.

***Im afraid that's not too far away my friend. God help us.

Just make sure you and your family is as prepared and educated as can be (and hope you're not caught in the blast).

Posted by: DeeMack at March 27, 2008 9:36 PM

Not much more one can say? Darcy wrote exactly what I was going to post - Bravo, Geert Wilders! This little film is better than I expected.

And thanks, once again (and again, and again, and again!), to Robert for providing this site for us, and sharing his vast knowledge of the subject.

Margheri, I am interested in the question you've asked, too. Will post if I do see anything about any NYC Wilders-support rallies. Speaking of which, I've been aware of heightened visible security here lately; wonder if any of it is in anticipation of this film's release?

Posted by: Vee at March 27, 2008 9:48 PM

"Um, excuse me, but when exactly did Islam rule the entire world?

Yeah, I didn't think so."

Posted by: Isabellathecrusader

Isa, in their own Islamic history books, that's when! :-)

Posted by: champ at March 27, 2008 9:51 PM

The movie is marvellous, is the best example of that the quoran is filled with hate to all the infidels and apostates , and that the quoran is the root of everything what we (the kuffirs and apostates)are suffering.
Nobody can invoke that it is a lie what is says in the movie ,just read the quoran and check it,two thumbs up to this movie and to Wilders!!

Posted by: Bernardo at March 27, 2008 9:52 PM

Thank you, Mr. Spencer and Mr. Wilders. FITNA is well-made and powerful. It is also accurate in its linking of Koranic verses with Muslim calls for and acts of violence. And, overall, a rather restrained effort for an "Islamophobic" "right-wing" politician.

Posted by: Winnie-the-Poe at March 27, 2008 9:56 PM

The movie is now on YouTube, in two parts. I have no idea how long YouTube will keep it, but here's the address for part one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UzDlqNuPULc

And part two:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqT4xwjS8Lk

The first is not flagged for adults, but the second one is. They were uploaded about 6 PM, EDT.

Posted by: David M. Hartzell at March 27, 2008 9:58 PM

This keeps getting better, a mohammed the sex pervert toon film from an ex muslim? hope to see this soon.
http://www.radionetherlands.nl/news/international/5704094/Dutch-exMuslim-producing-IThe-Life-of-MuhammadI

Posted by: desidude at March 27, 2008 10:02 PM

patagonianplato,

I didn't pay attention to the Argentine farm protests, but my ears perk up when alignments with Hugo Chavez are mentioned. I ignored news stories that associated Argentina with the "Bolivarian" bloc at the OAS. I didn't link Argentina with Chavez and Ortega, with Bolivia and Ecuador. Chavez is a dangerous, antisemitic, megalomaniacal ally of AHMADINEJAB; the only comforting(?) thought is that he bring about his own downfall--but at what cost? Yes, this all ties-in to threats against Western freedoms, progress, and our very way of life, as does Islamism and global jihad.

Posted by: John C at March 27, 2008 10:02 PM

Anyone know of software to divide this flash movie into two so we can upload it to Youtube? Of course they will try to remove it, but if hundreds of us try to upload it continually, maybe they will give up.

I also was able to use the free software called Riva to compress it down to 8 megs at 320 by 200. Its choppy but emailable.

Posted by: James Martel at March 27, 2008 10:02 PM

Someone must make Chinese, Spanish, and Hindi subtitles for the movie so more human beings can understand that something is rotten at the core of Islam.

Of course, someone needs to have a version in Arabic so Muslims can hear the terrible truth about Islam and thereby leave this ugly religion.

Posted by: James Martel at March 27, 2008 10:06 PM

Sorry for the double post. Fitna is also on the newsgroups. Try alt.binaries.movies.divx, alt.binaries.multimedia or alt.binaries.tv for the flv file. And checking for a torrent, I found a 735 MB avi file on mybittorrent, along with caption file. Probably the AVI file will be posted in the newsgroups in a day or two.

I'd say this film has gone viral.

Posted by: David M. Hartzell at March 27, 2008 10:16 PM

Overall, I thought it was a good film. But I believe that more Quran quotes should have been used. There are literally tens of quotes that more strongly represent, for instance, the demand for open-ended war of Muslims against unbelievers, the degrogatory terms used for non-Muslims (the only mention of that in the film was the little girl who stated that Jews are pigs and apes; isn't that directly in the Quran?), the sanctioned subjugation of women, etc. There are more offensive, shocking, and barbaric quotes to come from that book than the small handful Mr Wilders used.

I also think he could have used headlines that more strenuously showed the Sharia creep across Europe -- the cemeteries being built facing Mecca; jail cells being painted with an arrow pointing to Mecca; pig and pork references, toys, and food being placed off-limits so as not to offend Muslims; British history being altered and re-written so as not to offend Muslims while also giving them more credit for small accomplishments around the world; the drastic increase in honor killings; etc.

I would have liked to see more quotes from the Quran that sanction lashings and stonings as punishment for 'adultery' -- especially with the recent uproar over the Saudi rape victim who received 200 lashes. In the same vein, I would have liked to see some Quran quotes regarding beheading, and also about the amputation of limbs as punishment for crimes such as theft (I've seen some really awful, graphic pics of victims of these amputations; I've heard it's in the Quran that this punishment is meted out with NO anethesia given to the victim, but I do not know if this is true).

Lastly, I also would have REALLY liked to see a short montage of 'moderate' and recognizable Muslim leaders all stating that Islam forbids violence against innocent civilians, and afterwards, running a clip from Anjem Choudhury speaking in a UK interview and calmly, clearly stating that by definition, non-Muslims are not innocent because they have chosen to not accept Islam (that video is at JihadWatch here: null).

I understand he only had 15 or so minutes, and I also understand that the information Mr Wilders DID include is incredibly enlightening, and is also more accurate than nearly every MSM piece about Islam... but I still think that he could have made a strong point. I also recognize that by keeping it a bit lighter than the issues I raised above, he has more of a chance at not putting-off some ppl who would normally never watch anything like it.