Hit me with your best shot.....fire away!!!!!!

Posted by: greatcometof1577 at March 29, 2008 8:22 PM

Let me see if I've got this straight....

We are receiving terrorist threats - over a film showing terrorist activity - that was done by the terrorists themselves.

We are being targetting becaaaaaaaause......

OH! Now I get it! Because you don't dare make films showing Muslims with their pants down. How UnIslamic.

Posted by: champ at March 29, 2008 8:34 PM

Osama, you will do what your father the devil, the hater of truth, the supremely arrogant one, commands. He was a murderer from the beginning, and such you have become, so do your worst; fulfill your destiny, slave! We "infidels" and "Crusaders" expect nothing less than that you should threaten destruction and murder. It's ALL YOU KNOW, you possessed of "Allah" and slave of Mohammad, hell's prophet.

Posted by: Lex at March 29, 2008 8:39 PM

Robert, could you be a bit more specific, please, about this McAuliffe person? I've been out of the loop...

Posted by: Lex at March 29, 2008 8:43 PM

"No check on the freedom of your words . . ."

That's right, it's called the "First Amendment" in this country (and some in Europe must still think they are free to speak their minds).

" . . .the freedom of our actions."

Okay, my "friend," but don't bitch when we "act" on your ass about a thousand times harder. In fact, be a man and show your worthless hide to the world next time you have your underlings set out to commit a terrorist act -- where you at, coward?

Posted by: theendisnear at March 29, 2008 8:45 PM

This might be the way of waking up the rest of the world as I have posted before. Scratch the sore to irritate it more. And believe me it does not take much to irritate. Oh, be sure to note to others not quite getting it. How unreasonable and out of line the reactions are. Note how anti social and counter inclusive Islam really is.

This is an Achilles heel of many and we should us any and all of them to cause the world public opinion to turn against them. They know this and are using it everyday both from within the Islamic world and outside to the west.

Posted by: Im.mad.as.HELL! at March 29, 2008 8:47 PM

I am trying to imagine ONE SHARED VALUE between Islam and the ROW. Even breathing seems dubious. Sure; we all like virgins - but that idea is ridiculous. Let's have a contest: Find the shared value, or get your head cut off.

Posted by: Layer Seven at March 29, 2008 8:48 PM

Islam = Evil in Human Form

Posted by: champ at March 29, 2008 8:49 PM

I currently am in possession of 38, 133, and 279 MB versions of the video. Does anybody know where I can get an even higher resolution (DVD quality) English version? I've hit all of the bit torrent sites I can find. I'm looking for something that will look better on a gymnasium or theater sized video screen. I will reproduce them and mail them to churches.

Posted by: Concerned Citizen at March 29, 2008 9:02 PM

Lex, I presume Robert is talking about General Anthony McAuliffe who was the commander of the 101st Airbirne Division during the Battle of the Bulge in 1944. When the Germans demanded the surrender of his Division, General McAuliffe replied, "Nuts."

Posted by: Pelayo at March 29, 2008 9:05 PM

"If there is no check on the freedom of your words, then let your hearts be open to the freedom of our actions"

That, Ladies and Gentlemen, is a personal threat, act and prepare accordingly.

Nuts!

Posted by: Pelayo at March 29, 2008 9:11 PM

The lines are drawn. Now, will the West defend the freedoms our Founders and ancestors sacrificed for and died for?

When I first started blogging about three years ago, I never imagined all the present pandering to Islam.

I never imagined that bloggers would be threatened and frightened enough to stop writing.

I never imagined that a film like Fitna would cause a video server to exit so as to protect workers.

I never imagined the Empire State Building illuminated in green for Ramadan.

I could go on and on and on with the list of dhimmitudinal actions--voluntarily committed by the West, on the leadership and the personal levels.

All of those mulitudinous appeasements have served to embolden the jihadists, to threaten our freedoms, and to make the West appear cowardly in the eyes of the ummah, thereby giving the ummah that the will of Allah is supreme.

What is it going to take for the West to grow a set?

Posted by: Always On Watch at March 29, 2008 9:20 PM

So, naming hysterical fools as hysterical makes them more hysterical?

Best to flush them out now while we have the power advantage.

They don't like freedom of thought, maybe they'll like oblivion instead.

Which is where they're itching to be sent.

Ask the Third Reich.

Posted by: profitsbeard at March 29, 2008 9:21 PM

And let your caves be open to our Bunker Busters, Buster.

Posted by: Jauhara Al-Kafirah at March 29, 2008 9:22 PM

OBL taunts us because he knows the West is run by a bunch of dumb, namby-pamby wimps. Some day, movies like Fitna will become superfluous, since everyone will understand Islam. By then, our leaders will have stopped trying to appease and will finally take the steps necessary to protect us. Right now, we're still on the learning curve.

Posted by: jewdog at March 29, 2008 9:24 PM

Ahhhh, free speech is rewarded with death to the speaker. How Quaint. Haven't we seen this before, say under Hitler and Stalin, etc., etc.

Tell me how this is resolved unless by total destruction of one side or other.

Oh, I forgot. Our REAL problem is global warming.......silly me/

Posted by: n.a. palm at March 29, 2008 9:27 PM

Now that I'd like to see:

An Open Letter to (Sheik) Usama bin Laden, putative leader of Al Qaeda, from the free peoples of the world.

NUTS!

[Peace Is of God; Slavery & Killing Is Not.]

(signed)

Robert Spencer

Hugh Fitzgerald

David Horowitz

Andrew Bostom

Daniel Pipes

Mark Steyn

Ali Hirsi Ali

Steve Emerson

X

X

X

X

X

X

X

X

X

X

X

X

ad infinitum

Posted by: John C at March 29, 2008 9:27 PM

Thanks, Pelayo!

I didn't think Robert had Christa McAuliffe, the late Challenger astronaut, in mind, and certainly not Terry McAuliffe, former DNC Chair.

And no, my heart is not open to whatever bloody hellish Mohammadan nonsense Osama is scheming in his imagined "freedom." He must be "NUCKING FUTS!" to paraphrase Gen. McAuliffe.

Posted by: Lex at March 29, 2008 9:28 PM

n.a. palm, you need to visit some atheist and skeptic web sites - the real problem is Fundamentalist Christians - no kidding. They're fools.

Posted by: Pelayo at March 29, 2008 9:36 PM

What's more, Gener...err ...Tony, ...I mean, Robert, you certainly know the Arabic word for NUTS, now, don't you? (Both literally, as in "falls from a tree," and figuratively, as in "meshuggah."

Posted by: John C at March 29, 2008 9:47 PM

What's more, Gener...err ...Tony, ...I mean, Robert, you certainly know the Arabic word for NUTS, now, don't you? (Both literally, as in "falls from a tree," and figuratively, as in "meshuggah.")

Posted by: John C at March 29, 2008 9:49 PM

Islamists threathen with terror due to being designated 'terrorists'.

Swell

Actually it would be a subtle irony if they just accepted the designation *without* making any threats of further terrorism.

Somehow, unfortunately, I guess this finesse would be lost on, well, just about everyone.

Posted by: Henrik at March 29, 2008 10:01 PM

Pelayo,

If Franklin Graham is representative of Fundamentalist Christians, (FC's) then your concern about their foolishness may be misplaced. He gets it. Read his "My View of Islam"

Isn't it also the case that FC's are almost genetically committed to the preservation of Israel, as its very existence is seen as the fulfillment of prophecy that ultimately heralds the return of Jesus Christ? (which, by the way, is something that Muslims also hope for, the difference being that the Muslim Jesus (Isa) will play second fiddle to al Mahdi. See: Al-Mahdi and the Antichrist

Posted by: Lex at March 29, 2008 10:01 PM

So "sticks and stones" is not an Islamic value?

Posted by: Ruebacca at March 29, 2008 10:02 PM

Lex, I am talking about the atheists and skeptics that haunt places like Skeptic Friends. Those jerks are convinced the FCs are the problem.

I meant the skeptics and atheists that I have encountered are the fools.

Posted by: Pelayo at March 29, 2008 10:09 PM

"If there is no check on the freedom of your words, then let your hearts be open to the freedom of our actions."

Since September 11, 2001, my heart has been gradually steeled to the fight that is the challenge of our generation. We will win this fight because the freedom we defend is not the Mobot thugs and clerics to give; it is rather our legacy as God's creatures, who choose to live in love. With each passing year, people understand that it is the thugs and clerics who have the greatest to lose and who offer nothing but threats and intimidation. Thank you JW/DW site owners and commentors.

SoaringFree

Posted by: SoaringFree at March 29, 2008 10:14 PM

This is so much like Al Capone's reaction to the 1932 "Scarface" that it's eerie.

http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0023427/trivia (second bullet)

Posted by: Pelayo at March 29, 2008 10:22 PM

Pelayo,

Boy, did I misread you! Sorry!

Yes, the skeptics and atheists are a tad myopic. They don't see the sword aimed at their own stinking arrogant necks, not yet anyway, as they shriek about how the Christian "fundies" are the western rite Taliban. They might get it, eventually, if Hitchens ever comes around...

Posted by: Lex at March 29, 2008 10:33 PM

SoaringFree,

"Mobot." Great coinage!

Posted by: Lex at March 29, 2008 10:35 PM

Some guy in the comments of the Fitna Web site has an interesting thesis:

Any such pervert, whoever he is, is considered from now on by all non-muslims as anti-Islamic pervert, born by the devil to smear the holy name of Islam and to divert human hearts from accepting this holy faith if not by heart then in good neighborhood, and, therefore, any such individual, that kills in false claim to do it for the sake of Islam, deserves to be treated as Apostate guilty in CORRUPTION ON THE FACE OF THE EARTH."

Since his English is a little rough (but his Italian seems fluent) I think I can restate his thesis thus:

Since Islam is the Religion of Peace anyone who calls himself Muslim but who commits violent acts is actually an apostate and worthy of execution - and even worse; they are apostates who defame the Religion of Peace and are therefore especially worthy of punishment.

If the kuffar take action against these apostates and defamers then those kuffar CANNOT be accused of Islamophobia because they are acting against apostates.

Very clever.

I think Ban's statement set him off, because he keeps referring to the ONU (Organisation des Nations Unies).

Posted by: non-croyant at March 29, 2008 10:42 PM

Lex,

Visit Bosch Fawstin's blog to see his graphic action scene ATTACK OF THE MOBOTS!

Posted by: John C at March 29, 2008 10:44 PM

non-croyant,

That's not how Islamist godfather Sayyid Qutb and orthodox Islam understand peace. Peace, in this understanding, only comes through total Islamic dominance of the globe and global submission to Allah through Islam.

Posted by: John C at March 29, 2008 10:56 PM

The more Muslims act in violence, there will be a tipping point, whereby humanity will respond with all its economic, political and spiritual might against Islam.

Your religion does not live up to its promises. Islam can not produce anything economically and without oil it would be nothing. Even Indonesia is run mostly by Chinese Christians. Islam is fatalistic since allah wills everything so why try.

Sure Muslims can die well, but there is little evidence that they can live well and build cultures which are thriving and dynamic. It is this failure to deliver, combined with the lack of reciprocity that we must target. Islam is really just a farce and once young Muslims see this, they will abandon it.

It is time to start a serious Cold War against Islam. This was George W. Bush's big mistake. He should have taken a cue from President Reagan and engaged in a Cold War. Imagine if 1 Trillion dollars was used to fund wars at the borders and within Muslim countries. The Jihadists would not have a target to hit, especially if we also moved through a trade war to destroy their economies.

No, I think like the Japanese in the 40's these jihadists under-estimate the resolve of Occidental culture to defend itself. One day, we'll say Enough is Enough, and then lookout.

Nuts!

Posted by: James Martel at March 29, 2008 11:00 PM

A threat from the the religion of peace.
I think that says it all to all of us.

Posted by: Ken CleanAirSystem at March 29, 2008 11:06 PM

I guess most of us read and understand history and realize what happened after 1942 December 7 Japan attacked the USA the Japanese in the time every similar moral philosophy and believe that they were the chosen people to Muslims today besides the killing and bombing I assume the only reason Western leaders pander to these barbarians is because the oil under their deserts is something they need to keep Western civilization flying unfortunately it seems that most of the Middle East is more interested in destroying history and rewriting history than reading it , all we have to do is look at the ridiculous statements coming out of the so-called noble sanctuary that Muslims build on the Temple Mount claiming that there never was a Jewish presence in the holy land these sevenths century barbarians do not seem to realize the great Satan as they call the USA and will Satan number one Great Britain are sleeping giants and if awakened will extract a terrible vengeance on those who awakened them

Posted by: crusader at March 29, 2008 11:11 PM

John C,

I found Bosch Fawstin's site -Be the Pig!- but wouldn't ya know it? A search for ATTACK OF THE MOBOTS brought up JW's "Relax! There are only 91 million jihadists!"

Posted by: Lex at March 29, 2008 11:13 PM

Oops! Try this: Relax! There are only 91 million jihadists!"

Posted by: Lex at March 29, 2008 11:17 PM

We at http://theamericanjingoist.blogspot.com wish to extend to thoes making the threats, "Kiss our Ass"! Come out of hiding and meet your fate, for we will never give in to terrorist or submit to threats from a barbarian demented sect such as the fundementelist Islamofacist seeking world domination.

Posted by: whois2811 at March 29, 2008 11:35 PM

"If there is no check on the freedom of your words, then let your hearts be open to the freedom of our actions,"... OsamaBS?

This is so convoluted Islamic logic that it is hard to know where to start. What does the word "freedom" mean in Islam? Submission? Total submission to their primitive 7th century Mohammed's pagan idiot moon-god Allah? Where does the word "freedom" fit in the Islamicist vocabulary? It does NOT exist!

What does "check" mean to the Islamicists? They run rampant with rage and hate for all things Western, our freedoms, our successful way of life, or anything Islamic by Westerners (cartoon rage, Pope rage, teddy bear rage, flush toilet rage) except apologia for their evil deeds, and yet they are not "checked" by anyone. Who checks on their monstrosities, like suicide bombings, killing children, stoning women, 'honor' killings, hanging gays, beheading journalists, dragging burnt bodies through the streets, flashing V signs at 9/11 atrocities, all their own doing? And they want to preach to us on 'self restraint'? Tell it to their co-jihadists, the ones training their children to blow themselves up for their evil moon idiot god Allah.

What does "words" mean to Islamists, when every word spoken by them is a lie, or in their convoluted upside down lexicon is "taken out of context", where the only context acceptable to them is their own interpretations devoid of reason or logic. Their words are a perversion of words, and why would any rational sane human ever listen to what they say? They lie!

What does "hearts" mean to an Islamist who has hardened his heart against the natural world into a perverted hatred of all things that are decent and kind, and beautiful. Their only hearts are pumping with evil blood as they bow in mechanical submission to their evil god residing in that black moonrock inside that black cube of the Mecca. Their hearts are black. Their hearts have no respect, no sense of love, no forgiveness, but only pure hate. And they want to preach to us?

The Islamic mind is so mentally unstable and unbalanced that it is ludicrously laughable, except that it is at the same time murderously barbaric. From what black cave did these primitives crawl from? They are worse than the Neanderthals, who only ate the dead. These monsters of Allah are the dead, in their hearts and minds, dead souls like zombies from a bad movie. They deserve neither respect nor attention, but must be dealt with the only way they understand, the way they threaten us. There is no dialogue with the dead. Mohammed's idiot moon-god Allah killed their souls for 1400 years, and this is what you get: Islam is the sick world of the damned.

Posted by: Battle_of_Tours at March 29, 2008 11:42 PM

Hi! everybody
This is my first post here.

This is for the benefit of all.
Fitna is available for download at wikileaks:

http://wikileaks.org/wiki/Fitna_anti-islam_movie_by_Geert_Wilders

"We pledge our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor."
In the end the price is never too high.

Posted by: kafir-harbi at March 29, 2008 11:43 PM

http://fawstin.blogspot.com/2008/03/attack-of-mo-bots.html

Posted by: wholebrainer at March 29, 2008 11:44 PM

Lex,

wholebrainer has the link--click it, or go to fawstin.blogspot.com, as I did, and scroll down. (And tell him what you think of his work on an upcoming anti-jihadist graphic novel, The Infidel.

Posted by: John C at March 29, 2008 11:51 PM

wholebrainer and John C,

Thanks!

Posted by: Lex at March 29, 2008 11:53 PM

But if they [the enemy] incline to peace, incline thou to it as well, and place thy trust in God: Qur'an 8:61-62

The Dutch MP was a total ignorant; and like any politician [ similar to G.Bush ]- he gets his attention by putting up radical ideas. Extremist Wahabis like Laden (who I don't call Muslims) and haters like our good European MP both have the same motivation. gain power by spreading hate ideology.

Here is another example of biased standards of Western media, Fox News- 5th war ani of Iraq war and there was "barely" any news on it - the main news of the day was Obama's relation to his pastor - but the billions of dollars lost, 4000 U.S soldiers that died - it doesn't matter really - because they were the equivalent of sheep lying dead in a grave. This is what this kind of ideology both from Laden and the Dutch MP and Bush promotes.

Posted by: Muhammad at March 29, 2008 11:55 PM

Lex,

wholebriner has the link--click it, or go to fawstin.blogspot.com, as I did, and scroll down. (And tell him what you think of his work, and of his project, a nearly-completed anti-jihad graphic novel, The Infidel. [#?*/@$_+/%!&@= HTML tags!!]

Posted by: John C at March 30, 2008 12:01 AM

Muhammad,

How does Allah define "peace?"

Posted by: Lex at March 30, 2008 12:04 AM

Muhammad,

Welcome to these sites (JihadWatch/DhimmiWatch). Most of us respect alternate and dissenting opinions--expect lively argument and, sometimes, more heat than light about topics. Still, anyone posting in good faith, in sincerity and honestly, should expect to be treated courteously--ad hominem arguments and personal abuse and attacks are deleted when noticed; if not, they should be reported at contact us on the left sidebar of the homepage. Again, welcome!

Posted by: John C at March 30, 2008 12:13 AM

It is common knowledge that there really was no golden age of Islam. The beginnings of Islam and invasions into other land from Saudi Arabia is how they gathered knowledge. The Muslims were a bunch of marauding bands of thieves after booty and women and men slaves. The many Hindu temples they looted and destroyed for the gold and diamonds that the Hindus left in them. They destroyed and looted Buddhists temples, churches, synagogues. These Muslims killed millions to get these riches from other cultures. They invented nothing but stole just like their thug prophet Muhammad. A common thief, a mass murderer and pedophile, a rapist. That is all Islam does is steal because it cannot create anything. It makes people imbeciles and thugs the fine example they make. Look at the state of many of the UMMAH in shambles. The only reason Saudi is going well is the oil. Even then hardly any humanitarian effort from this kingdom--none. Not one cent to its UMMAH suffering from poverty, violence, disease and natural calamities. However, lots of money to set up madrases and Islamic schools to brain wash the west and Islamic departments at western Universities to propagate this evil ideology of Islam.

Posted by: savsiv at March 30, 2008 12:13 AM

Muhammad,

So in your mind Geert Wilders and Osama Bin Laden are pretty much the same? I guess thousands of counts of murder = 15 minute film consisting mostly of MEMRI clips.

There's no point reasoning with people who didn't arrive at their position through reason.

(repeat to self over and over)

Posted by: Beagle at March 30, 2008 12:14 AM

Beagle, you're OK in my book. (I agree.)

Posted by: John C at March 30, 2008 12:26 AM

Battle of Tours, what a beautiful post! It has an almost poetic quality and describes the ethos of the islamic savage with perspicacious clarity.

However, your concise and accurate description of islam and muslims is a far cry from their own view of islam and themselves. Islam warps the human mind beyond redemption so they will never see themselves as others see them or as they really are.

The brilliant, elitist bureaucrats and politicos like those that lurk in the halls of the U.N. betray their own people by acting as useful idiots for these evil savages hellbent on destroying our civilization. They may feel some perverse sense obligation or indebtedness to the islamic netherworld borne of self-loathing but we owe muslims nothing, least of all our far superior civilization.

Posted by: Susanp at March 30, 2008 12:33 AM

Muhhamed:

Your logic is strikingly weak. Lets take it bit by bit.

"The Dutch MP was a total ignorant; and like any politician [ similar to G.Bush ]- he gets his attention by putting up radical ideas."

Most of the film is either quotes from the Koran or quotes from Jihadists. There wasn't any opinion from the Dutch MP until the very end. Is it ignorant to quote violent madmen bent on destroying the West in order to wake up the people of the West?

"Extremist Wahabis like Laden (who I don't call Muslims) and haters like our good European MP both have the same motivation. gain power by spreading hate ideology."

Glad to see that you are not on OBL's side. I hope you spend as much time attacking OBL on Islamist websites as you do Western politicians on Western sites. However, see above---how does quoting madmen make the Dutch MP full of hate? If you are against "extremist Wahabis" how do you alert people to the threat without citing their own words and actions?

"Here is another example of biased standards of Western media, Fox News- 5th war ani of Iraq war and there was "barely" any news on it - the main news of the day was Obama's relation to his pastor - but the billions of dollars lost, 4000 U.S soldiers that died - it doesn't matter really - because they were the equivalent of sheep lying dead in a grave."

Fox News specifically, and the American people generally support and love our troups. We do not train our children to blow themselves up out of hatred. I will take Fox News over the ME/Arab news sources any day of the week. If anyone treats their people like sheep, it is the jihadists.

"This is what this kind of ideology both from Laden and the Dutch MP and Bush promotes."

Yup, Bush often brags about the civilians killed by the U.S. military and cites scripture to justify the killings (sarcasm off). OBL brags about how he brings death, while the West bends over backwards to avoid damaging mosques, much less killing innocents. There is nothing similar in ideology between OBL and any Western politician that I have ever heard of. If you really believe this stuff you are saying, you should move out of the US, since being ruled by an OBL-like ideologue is much worse than simply living in the same country as an OBL-like ideologue.

Conclusion: Your thinking is either very shallow, or you are an outright apologist for Jihad and are trying to spread confusion by essentially asserting that "everyone cites religious scripture and cuts off the heads of those who follow a different faith."

I hope you truly are on the side of inalienable human rights, including the rights of free speech.

If Bush is the same as OBL, send both a letter insulting them and their ideological views and do so publicly. As far as I know, Bush or his allies have never issued a fatwa.

Posted by: JSobieski at March 30, 2008 12:45 AM

Bring it on, guys. We got something for ya.

Posted by: undaunted at March 30, 2008 12:49 AM

The plain English of Osama bin Laden's blather is that if Muslims don't like what you say about Islam then you will be killed. Hitler and Stalin were no different respecting the totalitarian ideology each adhered to and what could be spoken about it. Totalitarians brook no dissent, regardless of what the totalitarianism du jour is. With any such ideology, true freedom is impossible and unless mankind ceases to prize freedom highly (sadly a possibility which cannot be dismissed), then Islam is doomed to fail as did Nazism and Marxism.

Ah yes, Islam on the trash heap of history. What a lovely thought. Can't wait. Keep talking, Osama.

Posted by: Wellington at March 30, 2008 1:20 AM

my friends jihadwatch i am afraid the world just does not get what us the non muslimpeople of the world face today the un chief stated that fitna was unislamic imagine that have yiou heard these words before unislamic this hit me but every goverment in the world has done the same i am afraid we are to few and its to late we are in ww3.

Posted by: spcbat at March 30, 2008 1:48 AM

I have a dilemma.

As a Christian, I think Islam is evil because it keeps people from knowing Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior. All the violence, destruction and killing of innocent people in the name of Allah adds to the evil of Islam, but the worst thing is that it keeps people from knowing the one true God (Yahweh) and Jesus Christ whom He has sent.

It is my desire to help educate ignorant people in the west about the threat of Islam before anymore convert to the religion, or end up dead from a terrorist attack, but it seems like this film by Geert Wilders might actually be doing more to help the Islamist reach their goals. True, it helps to bring the violent elements within the religion to light, but the end result is that Muslims get more rights and freedoms in the west as a result. It almost is like Osama bin Laden made the film just so the jihadists can attack more and so the rest of the world will bow down and submit to Islamic law all the sooner.

Posted by: Joe61 at March 30, 2008 1:51 AM

If there is no check on the freedom of your words, then let your hearts be open to the freedom of our actions"

Nope. NEVER! Lan Astaslem!

Go Pound Sand!! (insert choice expletive here)!

Gates of Vienna's Rosetta Stone Project for FITNA
Translations and downloads of FITNA in several languages including:

Czech

Danish

Dutch

English

Finnish

French

German

Italian

Portuguese

Serbian

Slovenian

Spanish

Swedish

And now, Google has a FARSI translation of FITNA up too!

Posted by: heroyalwhyness at March 30, 2008 1:52 AM

OT, but I need help:

The words "There is no radical Islam. There is no moderate Islam. There is only Islam." have been attributed to many.  I need citable sources for this from prominent Muslims (e.g. King Hussein, Recep Tayyip Erdogan; not apostates like Ayaan Hirsi Ali), with dates, places and names of reporters.

Thanks in advance.

Posted by: Engineer-Poet at March 30, 2008 2:10 AM

Posted by: Muhammad

But if they [the enemy] incline to peace, incline thou to it as well, and place thy trust in God: Qur'an 8:61-62

Muhammad, this is how the verse reads in the infidel's Qur'an.

But if they [the enemy] incline to (islamic) peace, (submission or dhimmitude) incline thou to it as well, and place thy trust in God: Qur'an 8:61-62

We will never submit.

Posted by: Dsinc at March 30, 2008 2:13 AM

If there is no check on the actions of your ideology, then let your hearts be open to the reactions to your actions.

Posted by: Dsinc at March 30, 2008 2:23 AM

The critical mass that is needed now is for indigenous Europeans to take up Wilder's call and remove the present bunch of Trojan-horse muddle-headed elites from their governments. This should desirably be done by the ballot box but if that takes too long then by a Ukraine-style orange revolution in the streets. After these governments are replaced one-by-one, their new leaders should resign their countries from the traitorous EU until Brussels eventually becomes a shell of useless empty buildings.

Once the elite traitors both locally and in Brussels have lost their power, it will be time to launch the Tenth Crusade, basically ejecting all Islamo-fascist influence from Europe. Stop immigration, abolish hate-speech and similar laws, close mosques and madressas, deport foreign imans, disallow meetings of more than 5 Muslims, disallow public prayer by Muslims, disallow Muslim customs. fire all Muslims in government, remove all citizenship papers, passports, and privileges for Muslims, deny European citizenship to all Muslims born in Europe since 1970 (unless they Apostate and declare primary loyalty to the state and remain on probation for 10 years). Offer free passage to an Islamic country of choice to all who want to practice Islam.

The Tenth Crusade should be done by each country individually as soon as the population and new leaders are ready. As soon as one nation successfully executes the Tenth Crusade, others will follow. However, if two or three can act together that would be more effective psychologically on all Europeans.

The sooner Europeans recognize that the Tenth Crusade is the only option that will save them from totalitarian Islam, the better. Islam is reaching a critical mass state in some European countries already.

From what I read the average European is most likely more aware of the threat from Islam than the average American. Due to our Administration's inability or cowardice to conduct a war-propaganda campaign among our people and against our enemies, the American people and its Beltway kakistocracy are blissfully unaware of the serious degree of the Islamic threat. That goes for not only Bush et al but all three of the top remaining presidential candidates. Notice that the battle with Islam is hardly mentioned in the campaign speeches, although McCain seems to recognize the threat better than Osama and Clinton.

America will have to suffer another 9/11 to get the nation riled up on a WWII-style war-footing. Hopefully, whoever leads us then, will have the fortitude to launch the American Tenth Crusade without limit. However, if Europeans come to realize in time that they are next up on the gangplank to a caliphate tyranny and decide on counterattacking with the Tenth Crusade instead, that might wake up America in time without another 9/11. It might… I hope so. But this time Europe must save itself first without counting on American help. The American people are just not juiced up enough right now - they mostly have their heads in the sand.

But if the Europeans' Tenth Crusade fails and a caliphate is established that controls British and French (and Russian?) nukes, the stage will be set for Armegeddon, and the supposed coming of the Twelfth Iman, according to the Shi'ite superstition. The Muslims would of course love to have a nuclear exchange between America and a caliphate Europe. Kill two of Allah's enemies at once!

As shown in Fitna, the clock is ticking.

Posted by: Jimmy Bones at March 30, 2008 2:24 AM

Joe61, the jihadists are going to do what jihadists do regardless of Fitna or any other western perspectives on what Islam means. So already we've seen the reaction of Western elites, 95% of whom are doing exactly what you describe (bowing and scraping before Islam), and yet... will the attacks now dwindle and peace among men follow? No. The jihadists will continue their butchery and western appeasement will eventually come to be seen as an abject failure of recognition and will.

The only question is: will the epiphany come in time or not?

Posted by: alexon at March 30, 2008 3:12 AM

" let your hearts be open to the freedom of our actions" - TBD Jihadi

If maths is to go by, I wouldn't do anything as stupid as 9/11 again. Sum-up the body county in your backyard. Think of the hard work that you need to do to dig up new caves. It wouldn't be wise move next time. It may happen that some of our folks just wake up to the reality that Islam is a cult that will destroy us. I would love that. We will send all your brotherns packing back to the hell holes they came from. Many of us wouldn't give a mule's ass if they were born in the USA. We will find a procedure to rid em off our shores. You betch you!

Posted by: MusHuntCowboy at March 30, 2008 3:26 AM

John C. & Wholebrainer,

Thanks for the plug, I always appreciate new visitors.

Posted by: Bosch Fawstin at March 30, 2008 3:55 AM

If the making of films like Fitna ends up serving the cause of Islam, what good are they? The best hope is that we seek to lead Muslims to the savior and help them to reach their own people with the good news. Wouldn't you agree?

Posted by: Joe61 at March 30, 2008 3:55 AM

"I will reproduce them and mail them to churches."

Posted by: Concerned Citizen

Don't just mail them to churches. Mail them to schools and universities too.

Posted by: angloirishslav at March 30, 2008 4:04 AM

Joe61,
You said:
True, it helps to bring the violent elements within the religion to light, but the end result is that Muslims get more rights and freedoms in the west as a result.

Not clear that´s the end result. And your alternative seems to be to keep quiet about the violent (and supremacist) elements of Islam.

I think there are many different valid strategies for putting up resistance to Islamic supremacism and jihad. Different strategies are best for different audiences.

That said, I suspect the most effective strategy for getting Muslims to leave Islam is a loving one that not only points out the violent and totalitarian aspects of Muhammad´s life and teachings, but also lovingly invites Muslims to leave Islam and join "us". In practice, that usually means Christianity, since love is such a central part of the Christian message. Atheists and agnostics are not likely to come at Muslims with an active love seeking to convert to atheism.

I´m thinking of that wonderful recent news story about the priest who beams a television show to Muslims. Here´s the story and below is an excerpt:

Botros is an unusual figure onscreen: robed, with a huge cross around his neck, he sits with both the Koran and the Bible in easy reach. Egypt’s Copts — members of one of the oldest Christian communities in the Middle East — have in many respects come to personify the demeaning Islamic institution of “dhimmitude” (which demands submissiveness from non-Muslims, in accordance with Koran 9:29). But the fiery Botros does not submit, and minces no words. He has famously made of Islam “ten demands,” whose radical nature he uses to highlight Islam’s own radical demands on non-Muslims.

The result? Mass conversions to Christianity — if clandestine ones. The very public conversion of high-profile Italian journalist Magdi Allam — who was baptized by Pope Benedict in Rome on Saturday — is only the tip of the iceberg. Indeed, Islamic cleric Ahmad al-Qatani stated on al-Jazeera TV a while back that some six million Muslims convert to Christianity annually, many of them persuaded by Botros’s public ministry. More recently, al-Jazeera noted Life TV’s “unprecedented evangelical raid” on the Muslim world.

Posted by: traeh at March 30, 2008 5:23 AM

Joe61,

For outreach to those Chrstians who are more eschatologically oriented in their thinking, check out Al-Mahdi and the Antichrist— End Times in Islam and Christianity (and how they are related)

Posted by: Lex at March 30, 2008 7:41 AM

Nothing has changed - this is what they have been spouting for quite some time. They are just enraged (gee, so what is new?) that they were not obeyed.

Yes, they are indeed arrogant. ... and psychopaths.

Posted by: R_not at March 30, 2008 7:59 AM

To effectively deal with Islam one needs to strip the Shield of Multiculturalism.

Let us not kid ourselves here. The Media in general knows that it cannot show this Film. To hold it up for Public consideration, knowing there is no Muslim who can refute the connections made, is just not going to be done.

The press reminds me of Humpty Dumpty. We will find out at some point. the forces that will push him off the Wall.

Posted by: flowerknife_us at March 30, 2008 8:08 AM

Stuck Mojo,, basically say's it all for me and all the freedom lovin' people I know and work with,,

here ya goo,, islam,,, the response of me and my infidel friends,,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9oX5Q2ftmA

)0(
solsticewitch13
"don't annoy the bikers"

Posted by: solsticewitch13 at March 30, 2008 9:03 AM

It is clear from all the massive demonstrations by moderate muslims what the Quran must mean.
Their response has been like the response of americans during the civil rights movements, right?
Outpourings of action to counter the actions of the misguided few of the KKK and their sympathizers.

Even if we grant that only FEAR FOR THEIR LIVES keeps them at home, what difference does that make?

The west has only one response to this kind of thing. We do it our way. We organize a response by the largest community nationally possible, then get the experts to be our representatives in the disputed area. THESE are our experts

We regret that we are compelled to utilize out experts, but never the less....

Posted by: epaminondas at March 30, 2008 9:39 AM

If the making of films like Fitna ends up serving the cause of Islam, what good are they? The best hope is that we seek to lead Muslims to the savior and help them to reach their own people with the good news. Wouldn't you agree?
Posted by: Joe61

There may be some muslims who can be lead to the savior, but don't hold your breath for the bulk.
They are marching to a different drummer...real different. What you consider 'good news' is an insult to them. You can see how the 'good news' is received by entrenched muslims around the world.
Saudi Arabia is the perfect example. They are taught that your 'good news', is actually 'bad news'.
Allah had no son, Jesus is a prophet only, and the Bible, except for the parts Mohammad hijacked, is a fake and unreliable. It is very hard to break this spell.
It is obvious that both Allah and Mohammad
wanted no competition. This theme of dominance is alive today in the Ummah. Jesus as savior wont fly with most of them. They prefer Isa the prophet of Allah, who will follow Mahdi, He will break the cross and convert Christians to Islam, not the other way around.
Christianity should be offered to muslims who are open to it, but disillusionment with Islam has to come first. As long as they cling to Allah, and Mohammad, Jesus as savior has little chance...

Posted by: duh_swami at March 30, 2008 10:04 AM

Suppressing or avoiding telling the Truth should never be an option, regardless of the temper tantrums Muslims throw.

The only option is to continue to expose Muhammad, the Qur'an, and Islam for what it really is: Evil, and founded on a false prophet serving a false god.

All we're doing is showing Muslims being Muslims; the commentary is just a bonus.

Posted by: champ at March 30, 2008 12:53 PM

The al-Qaeda linked website www.ek-ls.org/forum/ the one that posted the OBL banner was shut down 3/30/2008 Sunday morning at about 10:00am, see below;

"The sincerity Islamic network database has encountered a problem. Please try the following":

"Load the page again by clicking the Refresh button in your web browser. Open the www.ek-ls.org home page, then try to open another page. Click the Back button to try another link".

The www.ek-ls.org/forum/ website has not been totally shut down like this in the past for even a few minutes, never for over 3 hours, they have had almost 21 million hits.

Bill Warner

Posted by: Youssef at March 30, 2008 1:25 PM

The al-Qaeda linked website www.ek-ls.org/forum/ the one that posted the OBL banner was shut down 3/30/2008 Sunday morning at about 10:00am,
it's about time these idiots whine about the West
but the Internet is an invention of the great Satan USA and the USA army in a shame we cannot keep them off the Internet it would make their communications that much harder

Posted by: crusader at March 30, 2008 1:51 PM

if there is no check on the freedom of your words your words then let your hearts be open to the freedom of our actions
the Muslim idiots are just proving the point of the film by Mr. Wilder some feelings may be hurt by the film and some feeling for obviously hurt by the cartoons but Islamic worlds overreaction and the violence in the case of cartoon rage and the probable reaction judging from the protests so far are also in overreaction to what amounts to hurt feelings and hurt feelings never killed anyone though they might wish they were dead but the reactions of these Muslims getting past experiences we have seen tend to be violent and people get killed it would be nice if Muslims were like Christians and ignored insults and perceived insults to the Koran and Mohamed like Christians ignore insults to Jesus and the Bible but then our Lord and Savior did tell his disciples to turn the other cheek and the Bible teaches the Golden rule do onto others as you would have them do unto you which come to think of it if Muslims are doing violence to us could it be they want us to do violence to them? na that would be too simple an explanation after all all we would be doing is giving them more ammunition to whine and complain withhim in reading the Koran it would appear that Mohamed plagiarized large parts of the Bible he only heard through oral histories and use them in order to come up with his religion and the Koran if he had a copy of the Bible and could have read it [I understand he was illiterate like a large percentage of the Muslim world is today] may be the Koran would have the lessons our Lord and Savior taught about peace and love unlike the violence and anti-Semitism the Koran has in abundance

Posted by: crusader at March 30, 2008 2:02 PM

Dear Muhammad

Those 4000 brave American soldiers did not die in vain, the didn’t die for selfish reasons, they didn’t die for the words of a false prophet, they didn’t die for the promise of 72 virgins, they did fight and die to bring freedom to the Iraqi people the ultimate selfless act, Americans spilling their blood and money for the Iraqi peoples freedom.

Americans consider all people to be created equal and this is proof, OBL and the rest of the Moslem world only fights for selfish reasons, what’s in it for them, whether it be land or virgins or Islam.

Posted by: BurgerBoy at March 30, 2008 3:11 PM

"If there is no check on the freedom of your words, then let your hearts be open to the freedom of our actions."

My response:

"If there is no check on the barbarism of your cause, then let your bodies be opened by the searing shards of our retribution."

Posted by: Kafir_Alalazoo at March 30, 2008 6:58 PM

What I cannot get over is that this short clip is NOTHING like Obsession The Movie!! Was there a big stink that I missed over that film? If you have not seen it, you can pay $4.95 to see it in its entirety at www.obsessionthemovie.com. It is over an hour, maybe 2 (been awhile since I last watched it). There are clips of it on youtube, but I did not see the entire movie. Now, Obsession is SO much better, it is pathetic.

Posted by: lightinshadows at March 30, 2008 10:05 PM

Lex, I am talking about the atheists and skeptics that haunt places like Skeptic Friends. Those jerks are convinced the FCs are the problem.

I meant the skeptics and atheists that I have encountered are the fools.

There's no doubt that Christianity is a dumb belief system. However, you are right about the skeptics and atheists - they have their heads squarely where the sun don't shine when it comes to Islam. Absolutely imbecilic - they would defend an evil ideology that would just as soon behead them.

The Truth About Islam

Posted by: Suziq at March 30, 2008 10:26 PM

Lex, I am talking about the atheists and skeptics that haunt places like Skeptic Friends. Those jerks are convinced the FCs are the problem.

I meant the skeptics and atheists that I have encountered are the fools.

There's no doubt that Christianity is a dumb belief system. However, you are right about the skeptics and atheists - they have their heads squarely where the sun don't shine when it comes to Islam. Absolutely imbecilic - they would defend an evil ideology that would just as soon behead them.

The Truth About Islam

Posted by: Suziq at March 30, 2008 10:27 PM

However, you are right about the skeptics and atheists - they have their heads squarely where the sun don't shine when it comes to Islam.

You know, I'm trying to refute the baseless claims of an Islamic apologist over at Pharyngula, and I sure could use some help from you guys.  All it would take is folks willing to sift the posts of Hugh and Robert for the refutations (which I don't know well enough to be able to pull up quickly).  If you're not willing to fight that evil ideology with words, how can I expect your help if it comes to deeds?

Posted by: Engineer-Poet at March 30, 2008 11:51 PM

Sorry, I wasn't emphatic enough.  The apologist's claims aren't baseless, many of them are outright lies.  But doing a thorough job needs a team of fact-checkers, and this is a long way from my area of expertise.

Posted by: Engineer-Poet at March 30, 2008 11:54 PM

We here at The American Jingoist are happy and proud to see another site that will not bow to the demands of Islam and its terrorist in regards to the movie by Gerek Wilder's.

Bravo Jihad Watch for standing to be counted and not be like the "New Crastrada", those with no BALLS!

Posted by: whois2811 at March 31, 2008 12:13 AM

When I first started blogging about three years ago, I never imagined all the present pandering to Islam...... I could go on and on and on with the list of dhimmitudinal actions--voluntarily committed by the West, on the leadership and the personal levels.

Posted by: Always On Watch at March 29, 2008 9:20 PM

Sorry, am stepping in a little late as was out of town. But, sorry to say, the day Condi was confirmed on her reply to the threats around the words with a 'Diplomacy, Diplomacy, Diplomacy', to me, it meant 'Disaster, Disaster, Disaster'. The results are for all to see. And there is plenty or more blame to go around, what with Bush smoking cigars with 'Bandar Bush' while twin-towers were still snouldering, escorting the Bin-Laden family to safety while all flights were grounded, blackening pages on Saudi Arabia in the 9/11 Commision's interim report. To someone who cared, it was obvious that Bush was toeing the Saudi line, even over the 3000 dead Americans (that's right, Bush did not need thier votes, so, those American lives were just co-lateral damage). Sorry to say, 'Always On Watch', you were probably not watching when the corrupt, timid, sell-out parrotted this: http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2001/09/20010917-11.html

Posted by: Alert at March 31, 2008 12:18 AM

Robert said, "McCauliffe comes to mind."

Peleo said, "Lex, I presume Robert is talking about General Anthony McAuliffe who was the commander of the 101st Airbirne Division during the Battle of the Bulge in 1944. When the Germans demanded the surrender of his Division, General McAuliffe replied, "Nuts."

The 101st Airborne Division history teaches the legend is truely "Aw! Nuts!" Sergeant Willie McClean taught me the general who never cursed said, "Bull shit!" first. Wille was standing three feet from General McCauliffe to overhear those two words too brash for the Stars and Stripes!

So when I saw Robert mentioning McCauliffe, bull shit and Willie's story came to my mind right away!

MK & FYI

Posted by: Melaria_Kidd at March 31, 2008 5:13 AM

Why America has already lost the war:

http://sheikyermami.com/2008/03/31/why-america-has-already-lost-the-war/

Posted by: sheik yer'mami at April 1, 2008 12:41 AM

I'll post this up in the name of Sergeant Bernard Willie McClean who fought in the Battle Of The Bulge.

How can the free world loose a war that has been continuous for 1,400 years? 1,401? 1,402? & more years will keep testing our patience and our will.

Have we got the stuff Willie was made out of?

MK

Posted by: Melaria_Kidd at April 1, 2008 6:33 AM