I'll bet they hired Robert Spencer's bodyguards!

Posted by: PersonOfTheBook at March 31, 2008 11:28 AM

Bravo to Live Leak! Defiance is the name of the game.

Posted by: johndoe at March 31, 2008 11:30 AM

I hope the FBI/CIA are investigating those who threatened them. I don't know if they will find them since they will be hidden among the muslim population - but they should at least see if it is traceable.

Posted by: R_not at March 31, 2008 11:30 AM

Now that Fitna has been restored at LiveLeak. Will some Jihadwatch posters who accused LiveLeak of "cowardice" now eat crow?

Posted by: Roxane at March 31, 2008 11:31 AM

ok, pass the ketchup please! (ketchup fixes most things)

I don't know if I said outright that they were cowards because I don't know how I would react if my employees were threatened. But yes, I did think it. And I might have written it somewhere - I don't know.

Posted by: R_not at March 31, 2008 11:41 AM

I have been so ashamed of my country for a number of years, but this action by LiveLeak and their previous statement when wthdrawing the film under threats made me remember a time when I was proud to be British. Thank you LiveLeak for giving us some pride back.

Posted by: Daffersd at March 31, 2008 11:42 AM

Finally some good news! I'm going to write to LiveLeak to express my support. (It never hurts...)

Posted by: margheri at March 31, 2008 11:45 AM

I withdraw my harsh comments from the other day about LiveLeak but I do not apologize.

It is not a matter of "eating crow".

Perhaps harsh criticism contributed to the decision to put it back up.

Posted by: USorThem at March 31, 2008 11:46 AM

Sweeeeeeeeet. I would love to have been the fly on the wall at the internal staff meetings at LiveLeak.

And by taking down Fitna the first time LiveLeak DID prove themselves to be cowards. No apologies are necessary. The fact that they restored it speaks to the the fact that their bravery--thankfully--overcame their cowardice.

Posted by: Dumpling at March 31, 2008 11:47 AM

Thank God! I'm taking my copy down. It ate up at least 30 GB of bandwidth in like 2 days.

Posted by: PRCalDude at March 31, 2008 11:56 AM

Akh.WWWWHHHHHH

Mehndi was born in Palestine.. and haven't landed in IRan...

http://www.memritv.org/clip_transcript/en/1708.htm

what so ever, one more crap from crapistan...

Posted by: Proud of being takfir at March 31, 2008 12:06 PM

Fellow Anti-Jihadists,
These guys are willing to risk their lives for freedom's sake. Make sure to remember to promote Liveleak.com. I'd never heard of them before, but I'll make sure to use their services and let others know about them.

I also want to note that Youtube.com has not taken fitna down. They are not including it in their awards but I've seen numerous copies on Youtube.com. Perhaps however there are just too many people posting it for them to take it down.

True peace and courage against Islamic tyranny,
James Martel

Posted by: James Martel at March 31, 2008 12:10 PM

Just curious as we go into the latest Muslim rage of the month; has anyone come across Pakistan's RAGE BOY yet?

Posted by: Mackie at March 31, 2008 12:27 PM

I just wrote to Live Leak to thank them for standing up for Freedom of Speech, and may G-d keep them safe....way to go LIVELEAK HOAHHHHHHH!!

Posted by: mountiangirl at March 31, 2008 12:27 PM

Thank you to liveleak, Robert, Geert, and so many others who speak the truth and fear no one!
on foxnews.com there's a story about the "highly offensible" movie causing outrage around the world, I ask "what" is so offensible? This is the raw truth of islam for everyone to see and it is islam that is offensible...

You don't need to make a movie to highlight the daily butchering of innocent victims in the name of *spit*!!!!!!!!! Just visit this and many other sites every few hours, it makes me sick that we are allowing this carnage and turning a deaf ear and blind eye to it...

Islam needs to clean itself up NOW, shame on its leaders, and shame on Americans who are sooo deaf and blind...

Posted by: letfreedomring at March 31, 2008 12:33 PM

No crow-eating necessary. LiveLeak wavered.

The next best thing they could do to make it right is restore the film. They did so. Kudos to them.

Freedom of speech is practically as holy in the West as Mohammad is in Islamdom. We in the West are being forced by our guests into the position of choosing whether to sanctify either the Quran or our own human rights.

Push has not yet come to shove, but when the West -as a whole - has been pushed far enough, and no longer feels restrained by its overall inclination toward pacificity, the mujahedeen do not stand a chance.

Posted by: Greek Fire at March 31, 2008 12:44 PM

Way to go, LiveLeak! The only way to defeat bullies is to stand up to them.

Posted by: tanstaafl at March 31, 2008 12:49 PM

Great news!! Good for liveleak!! Maybe they have some Churchillians on the staff. One can only hope.....

Posted by: gymgal at March 31, 2008 12:55 PM

If the US could defeat the Sicilian mobsters, even after the popular mythologizing of the mafia in the popular culture, we should be able to do the same with Mo's "original ganstas".

Posted by: DunawayKa at March 31, 2008 12:58 PM

Why the about-face? Did the death threats to LiveLeak employees go away? If so, how did that happen? If not, what statement has LiveLeak made accounting for their position reversal? There's an untold story here and I'd love to hear it.

Posted by: Chatillon at March 31, 2008 1:08 PM

This is the Liveleak statement

On the 28th of March LiveLeak.com was left with no other choice but to remove the film "fitna" from our servers following serious threats to our staff and their families. Since that time we have worked constantly on upgrading all security measures thus offering better protection for our staff and families. With these measures in place we have decided to once more make this video live on our site. We will not be pressured into censoring material which is legal and within our rules. We apologise for the removal and the delay in getting it back, but when you run a website you don't consider that some people would be insecure enough to threaten our lives simply because they do not like the content of a video we neither produced nor endorsed but merely hosted.

Posted by: zoltix at March 31, 2008 1:19 PM

If you're posting here under anything other than your full real name and say that LiveLeak were cowards at any point then you are a hypocrite.

I've posted with my full real name (Christopher Nicholson) in the comments section of the Fitna Web site. I challenge you to do the same if you're not a hypocrite.

Hell, you could even append your real names to the posts here.

It's easy to be brave via someone else's risks.

Posted by: non-croyant at March 31, 2008 1:33 PM

I've had a (yes just one) death threat in real life from a muslim (face to face) and it scared the s**t out of me, I don't mind admitting that. It was related to Mohammed's sex life; no prizes for guessing what.

How would we all here have reacted if we had been in LiveLeak's position?

I certainly commend their stance now.

And I have tons of respect for those who put their heads above the parapet and publicly stand in the front line in the ongoing expose of the teachings of Islam and Mohammed.

Posted by: Celsius at March 31, 2008 1:38 PM

When Wilders was looking for somewhere to release his filmlet LiveLeak were the ones who stepped up - or at least didn't back down when asked - and people want to reward them for that by attacking their character.

We only needed LiveLeak's services for about 5 minutes. After that Fitna was on countless hard drives around the world.

Posted by: non-croyant at March 31, 2008 1:44 PM

Holy crap....
Someone who is more learned than I...maybe a few of us need to get involved in the conversation that Vince and now I are in with the Muslim fellahs at this link... Or ...maybe it's a waste of time.
http://eteraz.wordpress.com/2008/03/27/geert-wilders-fitna-farce/

I have to do searches to answer each question, as I just don't have enough info in my head, to refute their statements without doing a search first.
I'm gettin all the same, "There's violence in the Bible" crap, and references to fringe Christian groups that they use to justify violence from the Koran. history is my weak point....
Mr Spencer is referred to regularly as being ignorant and uninformed. HA!
I'm up against some experienced Muslim apologists there and would love to see someone more knowledgeable than I do battle there.
Whaddya think?

Posted by: Alaskan at March 31, 2008 2:00 PM

"If you're posting here under anything other than your full real name and say that LiveLeak were cowards at any point then you are a hypocrite.

I've posted with my full real name (Christopher Nicholson) in the comments section of the Fitna Web site. I challenge you to do the same if you're not a hypocrite.

Hell, you could even append your real names to the posts here.

It's easy to be brave via someone else's risks.
Posted by: non-croyant"

Agree in principle - but some of us are female, living alone, and not living in a country where the possession of handguns is legal for private citizens (and where the police has difficulties dealing with proper cimes, not just threats to life and limb ...)

Posting under a nic is at least another layer of protection, which keeps the villains a step furher away.
So please don't condemn those of us who prefer the use of a nic as hypocrites.

Posted by: Calon Lan at March 31, 2008 2:02 PM

It strikes me that Islam will have no problem in taking over the world. It would seem that everyone in the west is too busy arguing about commies, pinkos, liberals, cowardly europeans etc.

I am with you guys on Islam but I didn't come here to hear about how great America is and how everybody else is a coward.

I think LiveLeak did just fine. They put it out, looked after their employees and then put it back up.

Posted by: anonymous at March 31, 2008 2:10 PM

LiveLeak wavered.

That happens. They came under heavier fire than expected, betrayed by some British rag publishing an employee list. Threats, attacks and betrayal does cause people to waver, but even in their takedown message, they made their ideals clear.

Then they followed through on their ideals and restored the movie.

Generally, I think we shouldn't be so picky about the minor faults of our allies, it's a waste of time & energy. Help them take courage, protect them and use the real explosives against real enemies.

Posted by: Henrik at March 31, 2008 2:15 PM

"So please don't condemn those of us who prefer the use of a nic as hypocrites."

You're only a hypocrite if you are calling LiveLeak cowards - I haven't for such comments from you but I am going to guess that you're not making them.

If I was saying that you are a coward for using a nick I would be doing the same thing that the people criticizing LiveLeak are doing.

I apologize to you if there was a misundertanding.

Using a nick makes you smart - not a coward. I

Posted by: non-croyant at March 31, 2008 2:18 PM

"That happens. They came under heavier fire than expected, betrayed by some British rag publishing an employee list" Henrik

Any details of who did this and why?

Posted by: Celsius at March 31, 2008 2:22 PM

Bully!!!! Maybe they took a crash course in self defense against the threats made by these bullies. Aim & shoot. Sounds simple enough to me.

Posted by: champ at March 31, 2008 2:22 PM

"They came under heavier fire than expected, betrayed by some British rag publishing an employee list."

I keep meaning to research this but keep forgetting - does anyone have any more information on this incident? Which rag was it? Is the original reveal still up somewhere on the Web?

Posted by: non-croyant at March 31, 2008 2:24 PM

"Aim & shoot. Sounds simple enough to me."

LiveLeak's staff are Brits. Not that simple.

Maybe point & stab instead?

Posted by: non-croyant at March 31, 2008 2:27 PM

non-croyant , I have posted there also.

Posted by: interestinconundrum at March 31, 2008 2:42 PM

Yeah I've seen you there conundrum :-)

I didn't originally intend to use my real name, actually, but in comment number 8 I thought I could be brave enough to post a compliment to the music using my real name.

Of course, easily angered by someone's being "wrong on the Internet" I felt the need to respond to many more posts, and, even though it's easily changed, I said "screw it" to changing my nick.

Those comments are fun because there are some muslims and dhimmis there, and because there is absolutely no moderation, and no signup required to post.

It's a real cesspool, and that can be fun sometimes.

Posted by: non-croyant at March 31, 2008 2:54 PM

Celsius...the best response to a death threat is a round from a .45 auto. I recommend a Glock. When someone says that they want to kill you...believe them. Once they have uttered the threat, you are well within your legal rights to...remove the threat...for good and for all, right on the spot.

Posted by: Alaskan at March 31, 2008 3:06 PM

Thanks, non-croyant - and let me say that I thoroughly enjoyed your comments on that debate.
Cesspool is right, but sometimes a quite hilarius one. Speak of fur flying!

Btw - that debate was another excellent object lesson in how muslims debat: its not about exchange of ideas, its about winning, or, as one said, 'I pwned you ...'

Posted by: Calon Lan at March 31, 2008 3:11 PM

I'm still not sure Muslim and Proud wasn't a simple troll.

As for debate - I'm all about winning too. You can see I get pretty nasty and say things that might be over the top. No real debate is going to take place in an unmoderated and barebones comments section like that, so it's always going to be about one-upmanship.

Anyway, I like that forum because Jihad Watch, as much as a like what Robert has done and most of (well at least a good number of) the commenters here (who are much better than the ones at LGF imo), it IS an echo chamber. It's fun to be able to take on those with fundamentally different opinions with no holds barred.

I don't think the Web managers of themoviefitna.com even look at those comments.

Posted by: non-croyant at March 31, 2008 3:22 PM

*w00t* for MI5 in Britain doing their job yet again? ([personal opionion!] now if only Britain would repeal those annoying anti-gun laws... then the employees of liveleak could defend themselves... *sighs*)
-Peter

Posted by: Peter Nielson at March 31, 2008 3:30 PM

"*w00t* for MI5 in Britain doing their job yet again?"

My money's on U.N.I.T. or Torchwood.

Posted by: non-croyant at March 31, 2008 3:43 PM

LiveLeak restores Fitna - JW ..

They restored my faith in them...Good on you..LiveLeak :)

Posted by: MusHuntCowboy at March 31, 2008 4:13 PM

Looks like the scumbags hacked the thefitnathemovie site.

Posted by: Daffersd at March 31, 2008 4:17 PM

Thanks to all the noise about banning FITNA - like the attraction to forbidden fruit - kids can't get their hands on it fast enough!

Friends of my teens are discussing this video with great alarm at their high school - texting links back and forth.

Seems like their school has run out of wool - FITNA has gone viral and the kids eyes are wide open!

FITNA's graphic brevity, which obviously suits short attention spans, the next generation is preparing itself for the future. For this, we are indebted to Geert Wilders. Bravo!!

And thank you LIVE LEAK for coming through once again.

Posted by: heroyalwhyness at March 31, 2008 4:35 PM

I was very disappointed when Liveleak pulled Fitna. I mean, they must have watched Fitna in advance, so they should have known to be well prepared, and to expect threats which would be very real and very frightening.
Putting yourself out there is not something to be done lightly when one considers the jihadi-riddled state of Britain today, the general lack of support provided by the forces of law and order, and by our Quislingesque government.
So, I applaud LiveLeak for putting Fitna back online, it takes real guts to climb back up after a such a public climb-down.
I have never spent that much time watching web-videos (except for that one with the chickens breaking up the bunny fight), but I have now bookmarked LiveLeak and will go there again in the future.

Posted by: M Al-Content at March 31, 2008 4:53 PM

Let this be a lesson to those in management. If you don't already have a contingency plan for what Live Leak went through, then you need to have a written policy in place and something that your employees can read in advance. Companies have hurricane, tornado, and even bird flu plans. It's a global business environment now and you never know when you'll be doing business in the middle east or if your company may be from a country that is under a middle east boycott (see Denmark).

Posted by: Quan Tranh at March 31, 2008 5:05 PM

We need to let them know we consider Geert Wilders a Phophet too. (Peace be upon him too)

So you islamonuts need to back off our guy.

Posted by: jFp at March 31, 2008 5:24 PM

Now that I think of it, R.Spencer might be a Prophet (PBUH) as well. I know I am (PBUM) Maybe we should get funny pope hats.

Posted by: jFp at March 31, 2008 5:56 PM

I certainly hope the FBI and Homeland security are well on the case as to who has been making these death threats. There should be special federal legislation with very stiff penalties for such threats that interfere with our right of free speech.

Posted by: FM at March 31, 2008 6:08 PM

I also tried to search through Live Leak, and came back empty. It might be their way of semi-hiding it.

Posted by: Pelayo at March 31, 2008 6:27 PM

BRAVO LiveLeak for doing the right thing and standing up to Islamic threats and intimidation.

Score one for Anti-Dhimmitude!

Posted by: alexon at March 31, 2008 6:49 PM

I certainly hope the FBI and Homeland security are well on the case as to who has been making these death threats. There should be special federal legislation with very stiff penalties for such threats that interfere with our right of free speech.
Posted by: FM

FM, I am on Bill Gawthrop's list, I can assure you there have been intercepts.

Posted by: interestinconundrum at March 31, 2008 7:11 PM

The link posted by non-croyant now has been diverted to a pro-moslem page.
Tells us how Christians are the killers. Heh heh heh

Posted by: interestinconundrum at March 31, 2008 7:22 PM

Can't win debate?
Just block the argument with BS.

Posted by: interestinconundrum at March 31, 2008 7:25 PM

heroyalwhyness wrote:

"Thanks to all the noise about banning FITNA - like the attraction to forbidden fruit - kids can't get their hands on it fast enough!

"Friends of my teens are discussing this video with great alarm at their high school - texting links back and forth.

"Seems like their school has run out of wool - FITNA has gone viral and the kids eyes are wide open!"

Reminds me of the episode when Harry publishes his account of the Return of Voldemort in "The Quibbler": see chapter 26 'Seen and Unforeseen' in "The Order of the Phoenix" -

I quote: 'By mid-morning enormous signs had been put up all over the school -'BY ORDER OF THE HIGH INQUISITOR OF HOGWARTS/ any student found in possession of the magazine 'The Quibbler' will be expelled'...

'For some reason, every time Hermione caught sight of one of these signs she beamed with pleasure. 'What exactly are you so happy about? ' Harry asked her. "Oh, Harry, don't you see? ...If she could have done one thing to make absolutely sure that every single person in this school will read your interview, it was banning it!'

"And it seemed that Hermione was quite right. By the end of the day, though Harry had not seen so much as a corner of The Quibbler anywhere in the school, the whole place seemed to be quoting the interview to each other...

'Meanwhile, Professor Umbridge was stalking the school, stopping students at random and demanding that they turn out their pockets: Harry knew she was looking for copies of The Quibbler, but the students were several steps ahead of her. The pages carrying Harry's interview had been bewitched to resemble extracts from textbooks if anyone but themselves read it, or else wiped magically blank until they wanted to peruse it again.. Soon it seemed that every single person in the school had read it."

Now to reinforce things. 'Fitna' has got these kids worried. They need more knowledge and focus. Direct the kids to, say, "The PIG to Islam and the Crusades" or (for the more literate) "The Truth About Muhammad", or 'Obsession', or 'What the West Needs to Know', and this website. Show them the Danish cartoons and tell them what's happened to the cartoonists - the death threats, and having to hide.

Help them to look up the texts in the Qur'an, so they can see that Wilders is telling the flat truth - and show them Surah 9, and 48:29, and all the others that Wilders didn't have time to quote. Point them to Robert's Qur'an blog.

The kids from Christian homes could be encouraged to read Magdi Cristiano Allam's account of why he left Islam, or Gulshan Esther's "The Torn Veil" or Bilquis Sheikh's "I Dared to Call Him Father" (which make the point about apostasy very well - the moment these women, from well-to-do, well-educated, 'moderate' though pious Muslim families, convert to Christianity, their formerly close and loving families transform into raging assassins).

Mark Durie's little book 'Revelation? Do Muslims and Christians Worship the Same God?' could be used to explain to kids - whether they're Christian or not - precisely why the Muslim claim that their 'allah' is the Biblical God, is false. Durie's book is short and sharp and the key points of comparison are set out in tabular form at the end - could almost become a 'powerpoint'.

Teenage girls could be pointed to 'Infidel', which includes a very engaging account of Ayaan's childhood and her teenage years; then (under adult guidance) the 15+ group could watch 'Submission'. Then tell them the stories of Aqsa Parvez, and Amina and Sarah.

Make sure they know about the absence of the Golden Rule, and the permission to deceive, and those stats we've been seeing from Peter Hammond's book, about the way in which Islam is 'peaceful' when it's weak and small, but becomes steadily more aggressive and disruptive as it gains in numbers and strength.

That way they can understand that yes, quite a few of the 'nice' Muslims they've met at school or elsewhere are nominal 'slack' Muslims who may well remain 'nice', or even follow the example of Ayaan or Magdi and leave Islam altogether; but that many other seemingly 'nice' Muslims are not really 'nice' but are wolves in sheep's clothing. The real challenge is to teach them to be cautious without being paranoid.

By helping them to understand that Muslims can and do leave Islam, but by not glossing over how difficult that is, and how dangerous, we can avoid the charge of 'hate speech'.

Yes, the Muslim 'orcs' can be turned back into 'elves' (into free, loving, creative human beings), the Muslim 'death eaters' can renounce their allegiance to Voldemort/ Muhammad-'allah' - but it isn't easy nor is it guaranteed, we can do everything we can to help that to happen but in the meantime we must resolutely resist and soundly defeat those who ARE acting like orcs or Death Eaters.

Indeed, our defence of a zone where Muslim Rules do not apply, means that those who genuinely defect from Islam have a safe place to run to.

Get the kids thinking about what happened to Theo Van Gogh; the threats against the Danish cartoonists, such as Kurt Westergaard; get them thinking about what we SHOULD be doing to defend freedom of speech and 'the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness".

Posted by: dumbledoresarmy at March 31, 2008 7:46 PM

As for 'texting links back and forth' ...I am reminded, too, of this passage from J R R Tolkien's "Lord of the Rings", Book 1, chapter 11. I quoted it in an earlier thread, but it bears quoting again.

"At that moment, among the trees nearby, a horn rang out. It rent the night like fire on a hilltop.

AWAKE! FEAR! FIRE! FOES! AWAKE!

"Fatty Bolger had not been idle. As soon as he saw the dark shapes creep from the garden, he knew that he must run for it, or perish. And run he did...When he reached the nearest house, more than a mile away, he collapsed on the doorstep...It was some time before anyone could make out what he was babbling about. At last they got the idea that enemies were in Buckland...And then they lost no more time.

'FEAR! FIRE! FOES!

'The Brandybucks were blowing the Horn-Call of Buckland that had not been sounded for a hundred years...

"AWAKE! AWAKE!"

"Far-away answering horns were heard. The alarm was spreading."

It's the job of all of us whom Bat Yeor, Bostom, Robert Spencer, Patrick Sookhdeo and others have been educating and fore-warning, to guide those who are now hearing Geert Wilders' 'horn-call of Buckland', to tell them, yes, it's real, yes, it's as bad as it looks, but hey, this is what we can do.

Besides, of course, ourselves also 'passing on' the horn-call.

Posted by: dumbledoresarmy at March 31, 2008 7:58 PM

So yoiu a coward for not postiung your name over the web im scott clark i live in brooklyn ny want my adress post your first i dont think guys like you have the nerve.
As for leak wire pal there noheros the cats already out of the bag instead of standing strong when it counted they conpitulated when the heat was on listen bub dont tell others to nasme themselves thats not your business and again leak wire are cowards

Posted by: spcbat at March 31, 2008 8:02 PM

So yoiu a coward for not postiung your name over the web im scott clark i live in brooklyn ny want my adress post your first i dont think guys like you have the nerve.
As for leak wire pal there noheros the cats already out of the bag instead of standing strong when it counted they conpitulated when the heat was on listen bub dont tell others to nasme themselves thats not your business and again leak wire are cowards

Posted by: spcbat at March 31, 2008 8:02 PM

I know nothing about Live Leak or even where their offices are, if they have any.

I prefer to visualize a meeting where a poll is taken by asking their employees whether any of them have concerns about reposting "Fitna." In my mind's eye I visualize every one of them saying, "Hell no, re-post it." It would make a good little movie.

What the hell is this spcbat thing? The URL goes nowhere.

Posted by: Pelayo at March 31, 2008 8:31 PM

For some reason my mind seems to be equating "Fitna" with Thomas Payne's, "The Rights of Man." Liveleak has certainly been involved in an historical even. Payne was unfolding a belief/truth that was extremely painful for the status quo to swallow and censorship was demanded in response to his art. It is the same with Wilder's film that exposes elements of our humanity that seeks to squash and imprison the rightful process of the fulfillment of our civilisation and purpose.

Posted by: Briars at March 31, 2008 10:33 PM

I've also been encouraged by being consumed by the Puritanical concept of "predestination". Islam, like its oppressive cousins, Nazism and Communism will be obliterated by the march of human civilisation. The daily Muslim calls of Islamophobia is evidence that many human beings are waking up to the perversity of the Islamic dogma and are getting fed up with the rabid dogs who seek to spread that dogma.
When Muslims argue that they saw this same oppression in Christianity and Judaism of the past, it is obvious that this has all but gone away and that it is only Muslims who are seeking blood and tyranny today. The rest of humanity are echoing the words of the crowd in the Rock Opera. Tommy: "We're not gonna take it!"

Posted by: Briars at March 31, 2008 10:46 PM

“I've posted with my full real name (Christopher Nicholson) in the comments section of the Fitna Web site. I challenge you to do the same if you're not a hypocrite.”

Bravo non-croyant, I admire your courage – all of us will need to demonstrate some to defeat this evil beast!

I understand why people do not post real names, as usually this does not further the cause of freedom, so it is simply an unnecessary risk. If I felt there was some clear benefit to using my name, I would use it.

What I do not understand is why most who post here do not provide an email address for online contact. I have found this very useful for off line conversations. It has also come in very handy in transferring two leaflets I have written on the Qur’an and the life of Muhammad (in ms word format).

I fear many of us are all a bit too fearful, of this beast that cowers in terror of the light.

Posted by: Davegreybeard at March 31, 2008 11:38 PM

Liveleak cowards? I don't think so. Even terrorists are smart enough to duck when someone is shooting at them. LiveLeak is a company. The company has an obligation to protect it's employees as much as possible. It is in the labor code of most states and
many counties, it is not an elective.

And spcbat, once on a Yahoo Islam chat room, a dirty kuffir was challenging some muslims who lived in his area to come over and fight. The infidel was stupid enough to give out his real name, address, and phone #. No muslims showed up...but the police did.
Charged him with several hate crimes. Not only that but he had to change his number due to the large numbers of muslims calling him with hahahaha's.
So if you care to post your real name, address and phone number, that would be just ducky. I don't think any filthy kuffirs will show up at your door, but the FBI might...

Posted by: duh_swami at March 31, 2008 11:39 PM

This is not offered by JW/DW or anyone connected with, nor does it have prior approval.

Duh swami benevolent fund is dedicated to muslims who need benevolence:
Any muslim who cares to post his real name, address and phone number, will be sent a complimentary subscription, to the Catholic Digest, the Christian Science Monitor, and a small replica of duh swami's prayer rug. You will also receive several catalogs of Christian accessories, such as Cross lapel pins, Jesus Bible covers, and an offer to buy rare antique hymnals. Everything of course is discrete, sent to you in plain brown wrappers. This is a limited offer...very limited, subject to cancellation at a moments notice, or with no notice..post today...

Posted by: duh_swami at April 1, 2008 12:15 AM

Why are the christians and Jews not protest marching on their capital cities to protest the violence of jihad and anti christian and anti jewish sentiments and hate in koran and the treatment of christians in middle east and jews
It is time for the war of christians and jews against those who seek to kill us and indoctrinate their descendants against us
there should be more films made starring the muslim clerics themselves to expose this vile god damned for eternity islam which is a fake religion and evil violent arabic supremecist cult of deatha nd anti woman misogyny

ban the koran
start the lobbying now bf it is too late and australia goes the way of the british who let those scumbags into uk and now are destroying uk from within

Posted by: Reverend_Kelly_Kuffir at April 1, 2008 1:39 AM

ummm how can I download a copy of fitnah for my computer I do not know how to do this please help me

Posted by: Reverend_Kelly_Kuffir at April 1, 2008 1:42 AM

what happened to my comment it vanished

Posted by: Reverend_Kelly_Kuffir at April 1, 2008 1:57 AM

The extraordinarily well produced movie Fitnah is absolutely true, in the muslims own words. The clerics are respected members of their cult of islam, and preach with impunity to spread the islamic cult of death worship to the dim witted, the criminal minded, and the damned feeble minded, the easily manipulated and the sickest of humanity who convert to islams cult of violence and death, the islamic filthy antisemetism, the anti christian, the vile violent arabic supremecy of islam.
This movie does no more than exposure of the teachings of the soullessness of real islam, as it really is. Islam is a bronze age cult of the moon god, archaeologically proven to be non eother than the similar ideology of the ancient canaanites who slaughtered their kids in sacrifice to their god , just as islamites all tell their kids and brainwash their kids to kill kuffars and to do suicide bombings to frick with 72 virgins in paradise- a brothel in the sky....same things, same satanic soul, the truth is evil islam is a faulty and myth laden mysticism oriented, pagan cult.
In Fitnah the truth of islam has been finally revealled, the violence in the koranicrap.
Islam has been caught with its real dark spirit soul lessness exposed, and their true teachings revealed to the gullible, muslims dont educate their women to keep them ill educated at home and male oppressed and dominated chattel.
better off dead than be a woman in islam and it doesnt get better then in the islamic vision of paradise, where they can't enter pardise if their husbands are not happy with them- pathetic male oriented false worship cult.

This movie FITNAH is is brilliant. This is the truth. This is the truth that our political dhimmi leaders in the west didnt want revealed but now it is, islam is going to slide backwards, I hope back to the stone age, and for islam thats considered to be an upgrade of thinking.

It is the best movie ever to come out, where the muslim clerics themselves, their true teachings and the actions of muslims themselves is exposed. The Taqqiyeh of islam is exposed, the lies lies and more lies are exposed and the politically correct lies of the media are exposed.

Islam is not nor ever has been a cult of peace, but a cult which was spread by the deaths of millions by the sword, and by violent illegal occupation of christian and jewish lands
They must be forced to return the countries back to their original owners who are the copts of egypt, the jews of palestine and the orthodoxy in the east- the middle east.

Islam cannot white wash its history. It is trying to re write history and will never succeed as there are people whom are well educated who know the truth of the teachings and true face of islam.
It is not the same nor from abrahamic identity in reality, islam is no more than the continuation of the cult of allah the moon god whom was married to sin the sun goddess and three daughters of allah.
The very same that muhammad and his family and tribe exalted above all other 360 gods in the kabaah.
The truth is really exposed now.
Islam has no connection whatever with Christianity and Judaism, the teachings are not from Yahweh our God of Israel and Christians.
Satan has been and forever will be allah the greatest deceiver of all as muhammad even called his moon god allah. We will not submit to the satanic cult of islam not now nor will be silent. We will keep teaching the truth about islam and keep teachings everyone we can how evil and satanic and false this cult of demonically possessed muhammad the pedophilic necrophiliac, genocidal murderer.

Islam will be defeated The truth will set them free.

Posted by: Reverend_Kelly_Kuffir at April 1, 2008 2:56 AM

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John Quincy Adams Knew Jihad
By Andrew G. Bostom
FrontPageMagazine.com | Wednesday, September 29, 2004

Professor John Lewis Gaddis’ recent provocative analysis of the origins of “unilateralism” in American foreign policy highlights the pivotal role of John Quincy Adams. With candor and humility, Gaddis further reveals that his own contemporary assessment, “…is not a new interpretation. If you go back and read the famous Samuel Flagg Bemis, the very distinguished Yale diplomatic historian from half a century ago, Bemis was certainly making this argument about the importance of John Quincy Adams.

But I think this has been lost somewhat in intervening years. So, to an extent, I am trying to rediscover John Quincy Adams, in that sense.” Bemis extolled Adams’ seminal contribution to the formulation of U.S. foreign policy:

“Adams grasped the essentials of American policy and the position of the United States in the world more surely than any other man of his time. He availed himself of matchless opportunities to advance the continental future of his country and the fundamental principles for which it stood in the world. Nothing is clearer than that the fourteen fundamentals (above reviewed) remained the main tenets of American foreign policy during the century following…we may surmise that he and the fathers of American Independence as well, had they lived to share the troublous times beyond the British Century in the science-shrunken smallness of the globe, and to experience the extraordinary vicissitudes, combinations, and wars of global politics would have joined the diplomatic revolution rejecting Isolation, and that he [Adams] would say, as he did say at the time of the Congress of Panama: ‘I do not recollect any change in policy; but there has been a great change in circumstances.’…Even if John Quincy Adams was not to have another great career, as a crusader against the expansion of slavery, this first and mighty achievement, of no less than continental proportions, in laying the foundations of American foreign policy, would have been great enough for one lifetime.” 1

Bemis’ landmark 1949 review also included a vague footnote referring to a work which I located formally in a comprehensive annotated bibliography of John Quincy Adams’ writings, compiled by Lynn H. Parsons 2:

“Unsigned essays dealing with the Russo-Turkish War, and on Greece, written while JQA was in retirement, before his election to Congress in 1830” [Chapters X-XIV (pp. 267-402) in The American Annual Register for 1827-28-29. New York, 1830.]

A brief contribution appeared in the Claremont Review in December, 2002, purporting to summarize the contents of John Quincy Adams’ 136 pages of analysis (although, curiously, never providing the citation, above, for the original essays). Upon reading Adams’ full set of essays, however, it is apparent that this rather uninformed, sanitized Claremont Review piece missed the mark widely.

John Quincy Adams possessed a remarkably clear, uncompromised understanding of the permanent Islamic institutions of jihad war and dhimmitude. Regarding jihad, Adams states in his essay series,

“…he [Muhammad] declared undistinguishing and exterminating war, as a part of his religion, against all the rest of mankind…The precept of the Koran is, perpetual war against all who deny, that Mahomet is the prophet of God.”

Confirming Adams’ assessment, the late Muslim scholar, Professor Majid Khadduri, wrote the following in his authoritative 1955 treatise on jihad, War and Peace in the Law of Islam :

“Thus the jihad may be regarded as Islam’s instrument for carrying out its ultimate objective by turning all people into believers, if not in the prophethood of Muhammad (as in the case of the dhimmis), at least in the belief of God. The Prophet Muhammad is reported to have declared ‘some of my people will continue to fight victoriously for the sake of the truth until the last one of them will combat the anti-Christ’. Until that moment is reached the jihad, in one form or another will remain as a permanent obligation upon the entire Muslim community. It follows that the existence of a dar al-harb is ultimately outlawed under the Islamic jural order; that the dar al-Islam permanently under jihad obligation until the dar al-harb is reduced to non-existence; and that any community accepting certain disabilities- must submit to Islamic rule and reside in the dar al-Islam or be bound as clients to the Muslim community. The universality of Islam, in its all embracing creed, is imposed on the believers as a continuous process of warfare, psychological and political if not strictly military.”3

And Adams captured the essential condition imposed upon the non-Muslim dhimmi “tributaries” subjugated by jihad, with this laconic statement,

“The vanquished may purchase their lives, by the payment of tribute.”

Indeed, the famous Shafi’i jurist of Baghdad, al-Mawardi (d. 1058), highlights the most salient aspect of the consensus view of classical Islamic jurisprudence regarding the vanquished non-Muslims “tribute”, i.e., the jizya: the critical connection between jihad and payment of the jizya. He notes that “The enemy makes a payment in return for peace and reconciliation.” Al-Mawardi then distinguishes two cases: (I) Payment is made immediately and is treated like booty, however “it does, however, not prevent a jihad being carried out against them in the future.”. (II). Payment is made yearly and will “constitute an ongoing tribute by which their security is established.” Reconciliation and security last as long as the payment is made. If the payment ceases, then the jihad resumes. A treaty of reconciliation may be renewable, but must not exceed 10 years.4 The nature of such “protection”, i.e., a blood ransom, is reinforced in this definition of jizya written by E.W. Lane, based on a careful analysis of the etymology of the term:

“The tax that is taken from the free non-Muslim subjects of a Muslim government whereby they ratify the compact that assures them protection, as though it were compensation for not being slain” 5

Adams’ staunch anti-imperialism, one of the “fourteen fundamentals” of U.S. foreign policy which Samuel Flagg Bemis states, “…we may connect with the name of John Quincy Adams more than with that of any other man” 6, is consistent with Old Man Eloquent’s support for the struggle of the Greeks 7 to liberate themselves from the yoke of centuries of dhimmitude, imposed by the imperialism of Ottoman jihad 8. At minimum, in light of the global war on jihad terrorism, John Quincy Adams’ candid, timeless ruminations should be required reading for all contemporary U.S. diplomats and politicians.

Key annotated excerpts from John Quincy Adams’ remarkable series of essays, are provided below.

Adams on Jesus Christ and Christianity, Relative to Muhammad and Islam

"And he [Jesus] declared, that the enjoyment of felicity in the world hereafter, would be reward of the practice of benevolence here. His whole law was resolvable into the precept of love; peace on earth – good will toward man, was the early object of his mission; and the authoritative demonstration of the immortality of man, was that, which constituted the more than earthly tribute of glory to God in the highest… The first conquest of the religion of Jesus, was over the unsocial passions of his disciples. It elevated the standard of the human character in the scale of existence…On the Christian system of morals, man is an immortal spirit, confined for a short space of time, in an earthly tabernacle. Kindness to his fellow mortals embraces the whole compass of his duties upon earth, and the whole promise of happiness to his spirit hereafter. THE ESSENCE OF THIS DOCTRINE IS, TO EXALT THE SPIRITUAL OVER THE BRUTAL PART OF HIS NATURE." (Adam's capital letters)….[pp. 267-268]

“In the seventh century of the Christian era, a wandering Arab of the lineage of Hagar [i.e., Muhammad], the Egyptian, combining the powers of transcendent genius, with the preternatural energy of a fanatic, and the fraudulent spirit of an impostor, proclaimed himself as a messenger from Heaven, and spread desolation and delusion over an extensive portion of the earth. Adopting from the sublime conception of the Mosaic law, the doctrine of one omnipotent God; he connected indissolubly with it, the audacious falsehood, that he was himself his prophet and apostle. Adopting from the new Revelation of Jesus, the faith and hope of immortal life, and of future retribution, he humbled it to the dust by adapting all the rewards and sanctions of his religion to the gratification of the sexual passion. He poisoned the sources of human felicity at the fountain, by degrading the condition of the female sex, and the allowance of polygamy; and he declared undistinguishing and exterminating war, as a part of his religion, against all the rest of mankind. THE ESSENCE OF HIS DOCTRINE WAS VIOLENCE AND LUST: TO EXALT THE BRUTAL OVER THE SPIRITUAL PART OF HUMAN NATURE (Adam's capital letters)….Between these two religions, thus contrasted in their characters, a war of twelve hundred years has already raged. The war is yet flagrant…While the merciless and dissolute dogmas of the false prophet shall furnish motives to human action, there can never be peace upon earth, and good will towards men.” [p. 269]

Adams on Jihad War, Dhimmitude, and the Muslim View of Non-Muslims; Examples of the Perfidy of Muslim States, Including the Ottoman Turkish State

“As the essential principle of his faith is the subjugation of others by the sword; it is only by force, that his false doctrines can be dispelled, and his power annihilated.

They [The Russians] have been from time immemorial, in a state of almost perpetual war with the Tatars, and with their successors, the Ottoman conquerors of Constantinople. It were an idle waste of time to trace the causes of each renewal of hostilities, during a succession of several centuries. The precept of the Koran is, perpetual war against all who deny, that Mahomet is the prophet of God. The vanquished may purchase their lives, by the payment of tribute; the victorious may be appeased by a false and delusive promise of peace; and the faithful follower of the prophet, may submit to the imperious necessities of defeat: but the command to propagate the Moslem creed by the sword is always obligatory, when it can be made effective. The commands of the prophet may be performed alike, by fraud, or by force. Of Mahometan good faith, we have had memorable examples ourselves. When our gallant [Stephen] Decatur ref had chastised the pirate of Algiers, till he was ready to renounce his claim of tribute from the United States, he signed a treaty to that effect: but the treaty was drawn up in the Arabic language, as well as in our own; and our negotiators, unacquainted with the language of the Koran, signed the copies of the treaty, in both languages, not imagining that there was any difference between them. Within a year the Dey demands, under penalty of the renewal of the war, an indemnity in money for the frigate taken by Decatur; our Consul demands the foundation of this pretension; and the Arabic copy of the treaty, signed by himself is produced, with an article stipulating the indemnity, foisted into it, in direct opposition to the treaty as it had been concluded. The arrival of Chauncey, with a squadron before Algiers, silenced the fraudulent claim of the Dey, and he signed a new treaty in which it was abandoned; but he disdained to conceal his intentions; my power, said he, has been wrested from my hands; draw ye the treaty at your pleasure, and I will sign it; but beware of the moment, when I shall recover my power, for with that moment, your treaty shall be waste paper. He avowed what they always practised, and would without scruple have practised himself. Such is the spirit, which governs the hearts of men, to whom treachery and violence are taught as principles of religion.” [p. 274-275]

“Had it been possible for a sincere and honest peace to be maintained between the Osmanli and his christian neighbors, then would have been the time to establish it in good faith. But the treaty was no sooner made than broken. It never was carried into effect by the Turkish government.” [p. 276]

“From the time when the disaster of Navarino ref had been made known to him, the Reis Effendi [Ottoman diplomat assigned to Russia] had assumed the tone of the aggrieved party, and made formal demands of indemnity, and the punishment of the offending admirals. He still manifested however, a solicitude to prevent the rupture of the negotiations by the departure of the ambassadors…” [p. 298]

“Upon the departure of the ambassadors, the Sultan, who must have been, however, unwillingly preparing his mind for that event, immediately determined upon two things; a war with Russia alone – and a dallying attempt to protract the negotiation, and gain time of preparation for the conflict.” [p. 298]

[From the Ottoman Reis Effendi, to his Russian counterparts] ‘The present friendly letter has been composed and sent, to acquaint your excel­lency. with the circumstance; when you shall learn, on receipt of it, that the Sublime Porte has at all times; no other desire or wish than to preserve peace, and good understanding ; and that the event in question has been brought about, entirely by the act of the said minister, we hope that you will endeavor, do every occasion, to fulfil the duties of friendship.’ But precisely at the time when this mild, and candid, and gently expostulary epistle was despatched for St. Petersburg, another state paper was issued, addressed by the Sultan to his own subjects-this was the Hatti Sheriff of the 20th of December, sent to the Pashas of all the provinces, calling on all the faithful Mussulmen of the empire to come forth and 'fight for their religion, and their country, against the infidel despisers of the Prophet. The comparison of these two documents with each other, will afford the most perfect illustration of the Ottoman faith, as well as of their temper towards Russia.

The Hatti Sheriff commenced with the following admirable com­mentary upon the friendly profession, which introduced the letter to count Nesselrode. ‘It is well known (said the Sultan) to almost every person, that if the Mussulmen naturally hate the infidels, the infidels, on then part, are the enemies of the Mussulmen : that Russia, more espe­cially, bears a particular hatred to Islamism, and that she is the principal enemy of the Sublime Porte.’

This appeal to the natural hatred of the Mussulmen towards the infidels, is in just accordance with the precepts of the Koran. The document does not attempt to disguise it, nor even pretend that the enmity of those whom it styles the infidels, is any other than the ne­cessary consequence of the hatred borne by the Mussulmen to them—the paragraph itself, is a forcible example of the contrasted character of the two religions. The funda­mental doctrine of the christian religion, is the extirpation of hatred from the human heart. It forbids the exercise of it, even towards enemies. There is no denomina­tion of christians, which denies or misunderstands this doctrine. All understand it alike—all acknow­ledge its obligations ; and however imperfectly, in the purposes of Divine Providence, its efficacy has been shown in the practice of christians, it has not been wholly inoperative upon them. Its effect has been upon the manners of nations. It has mitigated the horrors of war – it has softened the features of slavery – it has humanized the intercourse of social life. The unqualified acknowledgement of a duty does not, indeed, suffice to insure its performance. Hatred is yet a passion, but too powerful upon the hearts of christians. Yet they cannot indulge it, except by the sacrifice of their principles, and the conscious violation of their duties. No state paper from a Christian hand, could, without trampling the precepts of its Lord and Master, have commenced by an open proclamation of hatred to any portion of the human race. The Ottoman lays it down as the foundation of his discourse. [p. 299-300]

“The last appeal of the Sultan to the fanaticism of his people, and to the protection of his prophet, has been vain. He told them, that since the happy time of their great prophet, the faithful Mussulmen had never taken into consideration the numbers of the infidels. He reminded them, too truly reminded them, how often they had put millions of Christians to the sword; how many states and provinces they had thus conquered, sword in hand.” 9 [p. 302]

“[More from the Ottoman Sultan’s pronouncement to his subjects]...‘all infidels are but one nation…This war must be considered purely a religious and national war. Let all the faithful, rich or poor, great or little, know, that to fight is a duty with us; let them then refrain from thinking of arrears, or of pay of any kind; far from such considerations, let us sacrifice our property and our persons; let us execute zealously the duties which the honor of Islamism imposes on us – let us unite our efforts, and labor, body and soul, for the support of religion, until the day of judgement. Mussulmen have no other means of working out salvation in this world and the next.’”

Those provinces are the abode of ten millions of human beings, two thirds of whom are Christians, groaning under the intolerable oppression of less than three millions of Turks. Those provinces are in some of the fairest regions of the earth. They were Christian countries, subdued during the conquering period of the Mahometan imposture, by the ruthless scymetar of the Ottoman race; and under their iron yoke, have been gradually dwindling in population, and sinking into barbarism. The time of their redemption is at hand.” [p. 303]

“With regard to the Hatti Sheriff of the 20th of December, summoning the whole Ottoman nation to arms against Russia, the sultan now thinks proper to say, that it was only a proclamation which the Sublime Porte, for certain reasons, circulated in its states; an internal transaction, of which the Sublime Porte alone knows the motives, and that the language held by a government to its own subjects cannot b a ground for another government to pick a quarrel with it – especially, as the Grand Vizier had, immediately after the departure of the Russian envoy, written a letter to the prime minister of Russia, declaring the desire of the Sublime Porte till to maintain peace. That if Russia had conceived suspicions, from the Sultan’s address to his subjects, she might have applied amicably to the Porte to ascertain the truth and clear up her doubts.” [p. 311]

Remonstrating Against the Moral Equivalence of Britain and the European Powers

“In the kings [British King, George IV] speech, at the opening of the session of Parliament, on the 29th of January, he said that, ‘for several years a contest had been carried on between the Ottoman Porte, and the inhabitants of the Greek provinces and islands, which had been marked on each side, by excesses revolting to humanity’.” [p. 304]

“Still more extraordinary was it to the ears of Christendom to hear a British king, in a speech to his parliament, style the execrable and sanguinary head of the Ottoman race, his ancient ally; and denominate a splendid victory, achieved under the command of a British admiral, in the strict and faithful execution of his instructions, and untoward event. But the last member of the paragraph from his majesty’s speech, which we have quoted, to those accustomed to the mystifications of royal speeches and diplomatic defiances, explained these apparent disparates. He declares the great objects to which all his efforts have been directed, and of which, while adhering to his arrangements, he will never lose sight, are the termination of the contest between the hostile parties; the permanent settlement of their future relations to each other, and maintenance of the repose of Europe, upon the basis on which it has rested since the last general peace.” [p. 305]

“And where is the protection to the commerce of his majesty’s subjects! And where is the determination to launch all the thunders of Britain at half a dozen skulking piratical cockboats, driven by the desperation of famine to seek the subsistence of plunder, assigned in the protocols, the treaty and the communications to the Ottoman Porte, as the great objects of his majesty’s interference between a legitimate sovereign and his revolted rayahs?...In all these documents, issuing from the profound and magnanimous policy of the British warrior statesman, nothing is more remarkable, than the more than stoical apathy with which they regard the cause, for which the Greeks are contending; the more than epicurean indifference with which they witness the martyrdom of a whole people, perishing in the recovery of their religion and liberty…The royal speech of January, 1828 indicates that in the protocol and in the treaty, the government of George IV, had outwitted themselves, and were the dupes of their own policy. It presents the singular spectacle of a sovereign, wincing at the success of his own measures, and repining at the triumph of his own arms. From that time the partialities of England in favor of he ancient ally, have been little disguised; and the disposition to take side with the Porte has only been controlled, by the unwelcome necessity of adhering to the faith of treaties.” [pp. 306-307]

“Far from being like the Hatti Sheriff of the 20th December, an appeal to the Ottoman people, a bold and candid avowal of the precepts of the Koran; it is an utter departure from them, and an assumption, equally shameless and hypocritical, of argument on Christian grounds.” [pp. 308-309]

Justice of the Greek Revolution

“If ever insurrection was holy in the eyes of God, such was that of the Greeks against their Mahometan oppressors. Yet for six long years, they were suffered to be overwhelmed by the whole mass of the Ottoman power; cheered only by the sympathies of all the civilized world, but without a finger raised to sustain or relieve them by the Christian governments of Europe; while the sword of extermination, instinct with the spirit of the Koran, was passing in merciless horror over the classical regions of Greece, the birth-place of philosophy, of poetry, of eloquence, of all the arts that embellish, and all the sciences that dignify the human character. The monarchs of Austria, of France, and England, inflexibly persisted in seeing in the Greeks, only revolted subjects against a lawful sovereign. The ferocious Turk eagerly seized upon this absurd concession, and while sweeping with his besom of destruction over the Grecian provinces, answered every insinuation of interest in behalf of that suffering people, by assertions of the unqualified rights of sovereignty, and by triumphantly retorting upon the legitimates of Europe, the consequences naturally flowing from their own perverted maxims.” [p. 278]

“This pretended discovery of a plot between Russia and the Greeks, is introduced, to preface an exulting reference to the unhallowed butchery of the Greek Patriarch and Priests, on Easter day of 1822, at Constantinople, and to the merciless desolation of Greece, which it calls ‘doing justice by the sword’ to a great number of rebels of the Morea, of Negropont, of Acarnania, Missolonghi, Athens, and other parts 10 of the continent.The document acknowledges, that although during several years, considerable forces, both naval and military, had been sent against the Greeks, they had not succeeded in suppressing the insurrection.” [p. 301]

NOTES

1. Bemis, Samuel Flagg. John Quincy Adams and the Foundations of American Foreign Policy, New York, 1949. pp. 571-572.

2. Parsons, Lynn H. John Quincy Adams- A Bibliography, Westport, CT, 1993, p. 41, entry # 194.

3. Khadduri, Majid. War and Peace in the Law of Islam, 1955, Richmond, VA and London, England, pp. 63-64.

4. Al- Mawardi, The Laws of Islamic Governance [al-Ahkam as-Sultaniyyah], London, United Kingdom, 1996, pp. 77-78.

5. E. W. Lane, An Arabic-English Lexicon (London, 1865), Book I Part II, Jizya, p. 422.

6. Bemis, S. F. John Quincy Adams and the Foundations of American Foreign Policy, p. 570.

7. Ackowledging his earlier position of strict neutrality, while Secretary of State, Pappas makes clear how as President (perhaps under the influence of Lafayette), Adams came to support the Greek cause (Pappas, Paul C. The United States and the Greek War for Independence, 1821-1828, New York, 1985, pp. 125-126.):

“The case of the Greek frigates demonstrated once again America’s benevolent neutrality toward Greece. Motivated no doubt by philhellenic zeal, the United States government came to the Greek’s rescue in violation of the nation’s law and the international laws of neutrality. President Adams and members of the cabinet and of Congress enthusiastically helped Contostavlos [the Greek national seeking warships for his country] and cooperated in passing swiftly and discreetly a bill authorizing the government to purchase one of the Greek frigates. The American government also cooperated in postponing the purchase of the frigate so that Contostavlos could deal with the houses, which refused to compromise on their high demands. And finally, when Contostavlos was ready to sail with the frigate Hope to Greece, President Adams temporarily put aside neutrality to allow an armed ship to sail out of New York with American officers and sailors…”

8. Vacalopoulos describes how jihad imposed dhimmitude under Ottoman rule provided critical motivation for the Greek Revolution (Vacalopoulos, A.E. Background and Causes of the Greek Revolution, Neo-Hellenika, Vol. 2, 1975, pp.54-55):

“The Revolution of 1821 is no more than the last great phase of the resistance of the Greeks to Ottoman domination; it was a relentless, undeclared war, which had begun already in the first years of servitude. The brutality of an autocratic regime, which was characterized by economic spoliation, intellectual decay and cultural retrogression, was sure to provoke opposition. Restrictions of all kinds, unlawful taxation, forced labor, persecutions, violence, imprisonment, death, abductions of girls and boys and their confinement to Turkish harems, and various deeds of wantonness and lust, along with numerous less offensive excesses – all these were a constant challenge to the instinct of survival and they defied every sense of human decency. The Greeks bitterly resented all insults and humiliations, and their anguish and frustration pushed them into the arms of rebellion. There was no exaggeration in the statement made by one of the beys if Arta, when he sought to explain the ferocity of the struggle. He said: ‘We have wronged the rayas [dhimmis] (i.e. our Christian subjects) and destroyed both their wealth and honor; they became desperate and took up arms. This is just the beginning and will finally lead to the destruction of our empire.’ The sufferings of the Greeks under Ottoman rule were therefore the basic cause of the insurrection; a psychological incentive was provided by the very nature of the circumstances.”

9. Bat Ye'or summarized the impact of the first two centuries of Arab Muslim conquests on indigenous Jews and Christians of the Middle East, as follows (The Jerusalem Quarterly 1987; Vol. 42, Pp. 84-85):

“Muslim chroniclers described the ongoing jihad (holy war), involving the destruction of whole towns, the massacre of large numbers of their populations, the enslavement of women and children, and the confiscation of vast regions. This picture of catastrophe and destruction corresponds to the period of gradual erosion of Palestinian Jewry. According to [the Muslim chronicler] Baladhuri (d. 892 C.E.), 40,000 Jews lived in Caesarea alone at the Arab conquest, after which all trace of them is lost…".

The six centuries between 640 and 1240 C.E., she further observes:

“. witnessed the total and definitive destruction of Judaism and Christianity in the Hijaz (modern Saudi Arabia), and the decline of once flourishing Christian and Jewish communities in Palestine (particularly in Galilee for the Jews), Egypt, Syria, Mesopotamia, and Persia. In North Africa, the Christians had been virtually eliminated by 1240 C.E., and the Jews decimated by Almohad persecutions… notwithstanding some brighter intervals, these six centuries witnessed a dramatic demographic reversal whereby the Arab-Muslim minority developed into a dominant majority, resorting to oppression in order to reduce the indigenous populations to tolerated religious minorities…”

Professor H.Z. Hirschberg includes this summary of a contemporary Judeo-Arabic account by Solomon Cohen (which comports with Arab historian Ibn Baydhaq’s sequence of events), from January 1148 C.E, describing the Muslim Almohad conquests in North Africa, and Spain (Hirschberg, H.Z., The Jews of North Africa, Leiden, Vol. 1, 1974, pp. 127-128):

“Abd al-Mumin…the leader of the Almohads after the death of Muhammad Ibn Tumart the Mahdi [note: Ibn Tumart was a cleric whose writings bear a striking resemblance to Khomeini’s rhetoric eight centuries later] …captured Tlemcen [in the Maghreb] and killed all those who were in it, including the Jews, except those who embraced Islam…All the cities in the Almoravid [dynastic rulers of North Africa and Spain prior to the Almohads] state were conquered by the Almohads. One hundred thousand persons were killed in Fez on that occasion, and 120,000 in Marrakesh….Large areas between Seville and Tortosa [in Spain] had likewise [emphasis added] fallen into Almohad hands.”

Speros Vryonis provides a contemporary Georgian chroniclers account of the Seljuk jihad in Asia Minor and Georgia during the late 11th and early 12th centuries (Vryonis, Speros Jr. “Nomadization and Islamization in Asia Minor”, Dumbarton Oaks Papers, Vol. 29, 1975, pp. 50-51):

“The process itself is described in its essential details by the Georgian chronicle for northeast Asia Minor and the adjoining Georgian regions. The process which it describes was not unique to the northeast, for we see it in the west and the south of Asia Minor as well..

‘The emirs spread out, like locusts, over the face of the land…The countries of Asis-Phorni, Clardjeth, up to the shores of the sea, Chawcheth, Adchara, Samtzkhe, Karthli, Argoueth, Samokalako, and Dchqondid were filled with Turks who pillaged and enslaved all the inhabitants. In a single day they burned Kouthathis, Artanoudj, and hermitages of Clardjeth, and they remained in these lands until the first snows, devouring the land, massacring all those who had fled to the forests to the rocks, to the caves…The calamities of Christianity did not come to an end soon thereafter, for at the approach of spring, the Turks returned to carry out the same ravages and left [again] in the winter. The [inhabitants] however were unable to plant or to harvest. The land, [thus] delivered to slavery, had only animals of the forests and wild beasts for inhabitants. Karthli was in the grip of intolerable calamities such as one cannot compare to a single devastation or combination of evils of past times. The holy churches served as stables for their horses, the sanctuaries of the Lord served as repairs for the abominations [Islam]. Some of the priests were immolated during the Holy communion itself, and others were carried off into harsh slavery without regard to their old age. The virgins were defiled, the youths circumcised, and the infants taken away. The conflagration, extending its ravages, consumed all the inhabited sites, the rivers, instead of water, flowed blood. I shall apply the sad words of Jeremiah, which he applied so well to such situations: “the honorable children of Zion, never put to the rest by misfortunes, now voyaged as slaves on foreign roads. The streets of Zion now wept because there was no one [left] to celebrate the feasts. The tender mothers, in place of preparing with their hands the nourishment of the sons, were themselves nourished from the corpses of these dearly loved. Such and worse was the situation at the time.’…

By the time [of the late 11th and early 12th centuries, i.e. (1083-1125)]…the nomads had effected permanent settlement in these regions, moving into the abandoned and devastated areas with their tents, families, and flocks of livestock.”

A. E. Vacalopoulos summarized the devastating impact of five centuries of Seljuk and Ottoman jihad campaigns in Asian Minor and the Balkans (Vacalopoulos, A.E. Origins of the Greek Nation-The Byzantine Period, 1204-1461, New Brunswick, N.J., 1970, pp. 61, 68; 72-73):

“At the beginning of the eleventh century, the Seljuk Turks forced their way into Armenia and there crushed the armies of several petty Armenian states. No fewer than forty thousand souls fled before the organized pillage of the Seljuk host to the western part of Asia Minor. From the middle of the eleventh century, and especially after the battle of Malazgirt [Manzikurt] (1071), the Seljuks spread throughout the whole Asia Minor peninsula, leaving error, panic and destruction in their wake. Byzantine, Turkish and other contemporary sources are unanimous in their agreement on the extent of havoc wrought an the protracted anguish of the local population…[The Greek chronicler] Kydones described the fate of the Christian peoples of Asia Minor thus:

‘The entire region which sustained us, from the Hellespont eastwards to the mountains of Armenia, has been snatched away. They [the Turks] have razed cities, pillaged churches, opened graves, and filled everything with blood and corpses…Alas, too, they have even abused Christian bodies. And having taken away their entire wealth they have now taken away their freedom, reducing them to the merest shadows of slaves. And with such dregs of energy as remain in these unfortunate people, they are forced to be the servitors of the Turk’s personal comforts.’

“From the time the Ottoman Turks first set foot in Thrace under Suleiman, son of Orchan, the Empire rapidly disintegrated….From the very beginning of the Turkish onslaught under Suleiman, the Turks tried to consolidate their position by the forcible imposition of Islam. [The Ottoman historian] Sukrullah [maintained] those who refused to accept the Moslem faith were slaughtered and their families enslaved. ‘Where there were bells’, writes the same author, ‘Suleiman broke them up and cast them onto fires. Where there are churches he destroyed them or converted them into mosques. Thus, in place of bells there were now muezzins. Wherever Christian infidels were still found, vassalage was imposed upon their rulers. At least in public they could no longer say ‘kyrie eleison’ but rather “There is no God but Allah; and where once their prayers had been addressed to Christ, they were now to ‘Mohammed, the prophet of Allah.’ ”

E.G. Browne (A Literary History of Persia, Vol. III, 1928, p. 196) describes the jihad depredations of Timur [Tamerlane] against the Christian populations of Georgia and Asia Minor, at the outset of the 15th century (A Literary History of Persia, Vol. III, Cambridge, 1928, p. 196):

“The winter of A.D. 1399-1400 was spent by Timur in Qarabagh near the Araxes, and ere spring had melted the snows he once more invaded [Christian] Georgia, devastated the country, destroyed the churches and monasteries, and slew great numbers of the inhabitants. In August, 1400, he began his march into Asia Minor by way of Avnik, Erzeroum, Erzinjan, and Sivas. The latter place offered stubborn resistance, and when it finally capitulated Timur caused all the Armenian and Christian soldiers to the number of four thousand to be buried alive; but the Muhammadans he spared.”

10. John Cartwright, British Consul-General in Constantinople, filed the following report from Constantinople May 25, 1822 (in, Argenti, Philip. The Massacres of Chios, Described in Contemporary Diplomatic Reports, London, 1932, pp. 39-40.)

“Scio [Chios], with the exception of twenty five of the Mastic Villages, was a complete scene of desolation – the air corrupted by the stench of dead bodies had produced an infectious disorder on board the Turkish Fleet which was daily carrying off its’ victims. The fate of the unhappy survivors in the Sciote tragedy is miserable indeed – the females and children doomed to slavery from which there will be but little chance of redemption, as all possible means are taken to prevent the sale of them to Christians. The hostages who were confined in the Castle of Scio as well as those who were here have been put to death.”

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John Quincy Adams Knew Jihad
By Andrew G. Bostom
FrontPageMagazine.com | Wednesday, September 29, 2004

Professor John Lewis Gaddis’ recent provocative analysis of the origins of “unilateralism” in American foreign policy highlights the pivotal role of John Quincy Adams. With candor and humility, Gaddis further reveals that his own contemporary assessment, “…is not a new interpretation. If you go back and read the famous Samuel Flagg Bemis, the very distinguished Yale diplomatic historian from half a century ago, Bemis was certainly making this argument about the importance of John Quincy Adams.

But I think this has been lost somewhat in intervening years. So, to an extent, I am trying to rediscover John Quincy Adams, in that sense.” Bemis extolled Adams’ seminal contribution to the formulation of U.S. foreign policy:

“Adams grasped the essentials of American policy and the position of the United States in the world more surely than any other man of his time. He availed himself of matchless opportunities to advance the continental future of his country and the fundamental principles for which it stood in the world. Nothing is clearer than that the fourteen fundamentals (above reviewed) remained the main tenets of American foreign policy during the century following…we may surmise that he and the fathers of American Independence as well, had they lived to share the troublous times beyond the British Century in the science-shrunken smallness of the globe, and to experience the extraordinary vicissitudes, combinations, and wars of global politics would have joined the diplomatic revolution rejecting Isolation, and that he [Adams] would say, as he did say at the time of the Congress of Panama: ‘I do not recollect any change in policy; but there has been a great change in circumstances.’…Even if John Quincy Adams was not to have another great career, as a crusader against the expansion of slavery, this first and mighty achievement, of no less than continental proportions, in laying the foundations of American foreign policy, would have been great enough for one lifetime.” 1

Bemis’ landmark 1949 review also included a vague footnote referring to a work which I located formally in a comprehensive annotated bibliography of John Quincy Adams’ writings, compiled by Lynn H. Parsons 2:

“Unsigned essays dealing with the Russo-Turkish War, and on Greece, written while JQA was in retirement, before his election to Congress in 1830” [Chapters X-XIV (pp. 267-402) in The American Annual Register for 1827-28-29. New York, 1830.]

A brief contribution appeared in the Claremont Review in December, 2002, purporting to summarize the contents of John Quincy Adams’ 136 pages of analysis (although, curiously, never providing the citation, above, for the original essays). Upon reading Adams’ full set of essays, however, it is apparent that this rather uninformed, sanitized Claremont Review piece missed the mark widely.

John Quincy Adams possessed a remarkably clear, uncompromised understanding of the permanent Islamic institutions of jihad war and dhimmitude. Regarding jihad, Adams states in his essay series,

“…he [Muhammad] declared undistinguishing and exterminating war, as a part of his religion, against all the rest of mankind…The precept of the Koran is, perpetual war against all who deny, that Mahomet is the prophet of God.”

Confirming Adams’ assessment, the late Muslim scholar, Professor Majid Khadduri, wrote the following in his authoritative 1955 treatise on jihad, War and Peace in the Law of Islam :

“Thus the jihad may be regarded as Islam’s instrument for carrying out its ultimate objective by turning all people into believers, if not in the prophethood of Muhammad (as in the case of the dhimmis), at least in the belief of God. The Prophet Muhammad is reported to have declared ‘some of my people will continue to fight victoriously for the sake of the truth until the last one of them will combat the anti-Christ’. Until that moment is reached the jihad, in one form or another will remain as a permanent obligation upon the entire Muslim community. It follows that the existence of a dar al-harb is ultimately outlawed under the Islamic jural order; that the dar al-Islam permanently under jihad obligation until the dar al-harb is reduced to non-existence; and that any community accepting certain disabilities- must submit to Islamic rule and reside in the dar al-Islam or be bound as clients to the Muslim community. The universality of Islam, in its all embracing creed, is imposed on the believers as a continuous process of warfare, psychological and political if not strictly military.”3

And Adams captured the essential condition imposed upon the non-Muslim dhimmi “tributaries” subjugated by jihad, with this laconic statement,

“The vanquished may purchase their lives, by the payment of tribute.”

Indeed, the famous Shafi’i jurist of Baghdad, al-Mawardi (d. 1058), highlights the most salient aspect of the consensus view of classical Islamic jurisprudence regarding the vanquished non-Muslims “tribute”, i.e., the jizya: the critical connection between jihad and payment of the jizya. He notes that “The enemy makes a payment in return for peace and reconciliation.” Al-Mawardi then distinguishes two cases: (I) Payment is made immediately and is treated like booty, however “it does, however, not prevent a jihad being carried out against them in the future.”. (II). Payment is made yearly and will “constitute an ongoing tribute by which their security is established.” Reconciliation and security last as long as the payment is made. If the payment ceases, then the jihad resumes. A treaty of reconciliation may be renewable, but must not exceed 10 years.4 The nature of such “protection”, i.e., a blood ransom, is reinforced in this definition of jizya written by E.W. Lane, based on a careful analysis of the etymology of the term:

“The tax that is taken from the free non-Muslim subjects of a Muslim government whereby they ratify the compact that assures them protection, as though it were compensation for not being slain” 5

Adams’ staunch anti-imperialism, one of the “fourteen fundamentals” of U.S. foreign policy which Samuel Flagg Bemis states, “…we may connect with the name of John Quincy Adams more than with that of any other man” 6, is consistent with Old Man Eloquent’s support for the struggle of the Greeks 7 to liberate themselves from the yoke of centuries of dhimmitude, imposed by the imperialism of Ottoman jihad 8. At minimum, in light of the global war on jihad terrorism, John Quincy Adams’ candid, timeless ruminations should be required reading for all contemporary U.S. diplomats and politicians.

Key annotated excerpts from John Quincy Adams’ remarkable series of essays, are provided below.

Adams on Jesus Christ and Christianity, Relative to Muhammad and Islam

"And he [Jesus] declared, that the enjoyment of felicity in the world hereafter, would be reward of the practice of benevolence here. His whole law was resolvable into the precept of love; peace on earth – good will toward man, was the early object of his mission; and the authoritative demonstration of the immortality of man, was that, which constituted the more than earthly tribute of glory to God in the highest… The first conquest of the religion of Jesus, was over the unsocial passions of his disciples. It elevated the standard of the human character in the scale of existence…On the Christian system of morals, man is an immortal spirit, confined for a short space of time, in an earthly tabernacle. Kindness to his fellow mortals embraces the whole compass of his duties upon earth, and the whole promise of happiness to his spirit hereafter. THE ESSENCE OF THIS DOCTRINE IS, TO EXALT THE SPIRITUAL OVER THE BRUTAL PART OF HIS NATURE." (Adam's capital letters)….[pp. 267-268]

“In the seventh century of the Christian era, a wandering Arab of the lineage of Hagar [i.e., Muhammad], the Egyptian, combining the powers of transcendent genius, with the preternatural energy of a fanatic, and the fraudulent spirit of an impostor, proclaimed himself as a messenger from Heaven, and spread desolation and delusion over an extensive portion of the earth. Adopting from the sublime conception of the Mosaic law, the doctrine of one omnipotent God; he connected indissolubly with it, the audacious falsehood, that he was himself his prophet and apostle. Adopting from the new Revelation of Jesus, the faith and hope of immortal life, and of future retribution, he humbled it to the dust by adapting all the rewards and sanctions of his religion to the gratification of the sexual passion. He poisoned the sources of human felicity at the fountain, by degrading the condition of the female sex, and the allowance of polygamy; and he declared undistinguishing and exterminating war, as a part of his religion, against all the rest of mankind. THE ESSENCE OF HIS DOCTRINE WAS VIOLENCE AND LUST: TO EXALT THE BRUTAL OVER THE SPIRITUAL PART OF HUMAN NATURE (Adam's capital letters)….Between these two religions, thus contrasted in their characters, a war of twelve hundred years has already raged. The war is yet flagrant…While the merciless and dissolute dogmas of the false prophet shall furnish motives to human action, there can never be peace upon earth, and good will towards men.” [p. 269]

Adams on Jihad War, Dhimmitude, and the Muslim View of Non-Muslims; Examples of the Perfidy of Muslim States, Including the Ottoman Turkish State

“As the essential principle of his faith is the subjugation of others by the sword; it is only by force, that his false doctrines can be dispelled, and his power annihilated.

They [The Russians] have been from time immemorial, in a state of almost perpetual war with the Tatars, and with their successors, the Ottoman conquerors of Constantinople. It were an idle waste of time to trace the causes of each renewal of hostilities, during a succession of several centuries. The precept of the Koran is, perpetual war against all who deny, that Mahomet is the prophet of God. The vanquished may purchase their lives, by the payment of tribute; the victorious may be appeased by a false and delusive promise of peace; and the faithful follower of the prophet, may submit to the imperious necessities of defeat: but the command to propagate the Moslem creed by the sword is always obligatory, when it can be made effective. The commands of the prophet may be performed alike, by fraud, or by force. Of Mahometan good faith, we have had memorable examples ourselves. When our gallant [Stephen] Decatur ref had chastised the pirate of Algiers, till he was ready to renounce his claim of tribute from the United States, he signed a treaty to that effect: but the treaty was drawn up in the Arabic language, as well as in our own; and our negotiators, unacquainted with the language of the Koran, signed the copies of the treaty, in both languages, not imagining that there was any difference between them. Within a year the Dey demands, under penalty of the renewal of the war, an indemnity in money for the frigate taken by Decatur; our Consul demands the foundation of this pretension; and the Arabic copy of the treaty, signed by himself is produced, with an article stipulating the indemnity, foisted into it, in direct opposition to the treaty as it had been concluded. The arrival of Chauncey, with a squadron before Algiers, silenced the fraudulent claim of the Dey, and he signed a new treaty in which it was abandoned; but he disdained to conceal his intentions; my power, said he, has been wrested from my hands; draw ye the treaty at your pleasure, and I will sign it; but beware of the moment, when I shall recover my power, for with that moment, your treaty shall be waste paper. He avowed what they always practised, and would without scruple have practised himself. Such is the spirit, which governs the hearts of men, to whom treachery and violence are taught as principles of religion.” [p. 274-275]

“Had it been possible for a sincere and honest peace to be maintained between the Osmanli and his christian neighbors, then would have been the time to establish it in good faith. But the treaty was no sooner made than broken. It never was carried into effect by the Turkish government.” [p. 276]

“From the time when the disaster of Navarino ref had been made known to him, the Reis Effendi [Ottoman diplomat assigned to Russia] had assumed the tone of the aggrieved party, and made formal demands of indemnity, and the punishment of the offending admirals. He still manifested however, a solicitude to prevent the rupture of the negotiations by the departure of the ambassadors…” [p. 298]

“Upon the departure of the ambassadors, the Sultan, who must have been, however, unwillingly preparing his mind for that event, immediately determined upon two things; a war with Russia alone – and a dallying attempt to protract the negotiation, and gain time of preparation for the conflict.” [p. 298]

[From the Ottoman Reis Effendi, to his Russian counterparts] ‘The present friendly letter has been composed and sent, to acquaint your excel­lency. with the circumstance; when you shall learn, on receipt of it, that the Sublime Porte has at all times; no other desire or wish than to preserve peace, and good understanding ; and that the event in question has been brought about, entirely by the act of the said minister, we hope that you will endeavor, do every occasion, to fulfil the duties of friendship.’ But precisely at the time when this mild, and candid, and gently expostulary epistle was despatched for St. Petersburg, another state paper was issued, addressed by the Sultan to his own subjects-this was the Hatti Sheriff of the 20th of December, sent to the Pashas of all the provinces, calling on all the faithful Mussulmen of the empire to come forth and 'fight for their religion, and their country, against the infidel despisers of the Prophet. The comparison of these two documents with each other, will afford the most perfect illustration of the Ottoman faith, as well as of their temper towards Russia.

The Hatti Sheriff commenced with the following admirable com­mentary upon the friendly profession, which introduced the letter to count Nesselrode. ‘It is well known (said the Sultan) to almost every person, that if the Mussulmen naturally hate the infidels, the infidels, on then part, are the enemies of the Mussulmen : that Russia, more espe­cially, bears a particular hatred to Islamism, and that she is the principal enemy of the Sublime Porte.’

This appeal to the natural hatred of the Mussulmen towards the infidels, is in just accordance with the precepts of the Koran. The document does not attempt to disguise it, nor even pretend that the enmity of those whom it styles the infidels, is any other than the ne­cessary consequence of the hatred borne by the Mussulmen to them—the paragraph itself, is a forcible example of the contrasted character of the two religions. The funda­mental doctrine of the christian religion, is the extirpation of hatred from the human heart. It forbids the exercise of it, even towards enemies. There is no denomina­tion of christians, which denies or misunderstands this doctrine. All understand it alike—all acknow­ledge its obligations ; and however imperfectly, in the purposes of Divine Providence, its efficacy has been shown in the practice of christians, it has not been wholly inoperative upon them. Its effect has been upon the manners of nations. It has mitigated the horrors of war – it has softened the features of slavery – it has humanized the intercourse of social life. The unqualified acknowledgement of a duty does not, indeed, suffice to insure its performance. Hatred is yet a passion, but too powerful upon the hearts of christians. Yet they cannot indulge it, except by the sacrifice of their principles, and the conscious violation of their duties. No state paper from a Christian hand, could, without trampling the precepts of its Lord and Master, have commenced by an open proclamation of hatred to any portion of the human race. The Ottoman lays it down as the foundation of his discourse. [p. 299-300]

“The last appeal of the Sultan to the fanaticism of his people, and to the protection of his prophet, has been vain. He told them, that since the happy time of their great prophet, the faithful Mussulmen had never taken into consideration the numbers of the infidels. He reminded them, too truly reminded them, how often they had put millions of Christians to the sword; how many states and provinces they had thus conquered, sword in hand.” 9 [p. 302]

“[More from the Ottoman Sultan’s pronouncement to his subjects]...‘all infidels are but one nation…This war must be considered purely a religious and national war. Let all the faithful, rich or poor, great or little, know, that to fight is a duty with us; let them then refrain from thinking of arrears, or of pay of any kind; far from such considerations, let us sacrifice our property and our persons; let us execute zealously the duties which the honor of Islamism imposes on us – let us unite our efforts, and labor, body and soul, for the support of religion, until the day of judgement. Mussulmen have no other means of working out salvation in this world and the next.’”

Those provinces are the abode of ten millions of human beings, two thirds of whom are Christians, groaning under the intolerable oppression of less than three millions of Turks. Those provinces are in some of the fairest regions of the earth. They were Christian countries, subdued during the conquering period of the Mahometan imposture, by the ruthless scymetar of the Ottoman race; and under their iron yoke, have been gradually dwindling in population, and sinking into barbarism. The time of their redemption is at hand.” [p. 303]

“With regard to the Hatti Sheriff of the 20th of December, summoning the whole Ottoman nation to arms against Russia, the sultan now thinks proper to say, that it was only a proclamation which the Sublime Porte, for certain reasons, circulated in its states; an internal transaction, of which the Sublime Porte alone knows the motives, and that the language held by a government to its own subjects cannot b a ground for another government to pick a quarrel with it – especially, as the Grand Vizier had, immediately after the departure of the Russian envoy, written a letter to the prime minister of Russia, declaring the desire of the Sublime Porte till to maintain peace. That if Russia had conceived suspicions, from the Sultan’s address to his subjects, she might have applied amicably to the Porte to ascertain the truth and clear up her doubts.” [p. 311]

Remonstrating Against the Moral Equivalence of Britain and the European Powers

“In the kings [British King, George IV] speech, at the opening of the session of Parliament, on the 29th of January, he said that, ‘for several years a contest had been carried on between the Ottoman Porte, and the inhabitants of the Greek provinces and islands, which had been marked on each side, by excesses revolting to humanity’.” [p. 304]

“Still more extraordinary was it to the ears of Christendom to hear a British king, in a speech to his parliament, style the execrable and sanguinary head of the Ottoman race, his ancient ally; and denominate a splendid victory, achieved under the command of a British admiral, in the strict and faithful execution of his instructions, and untoward event. But the last member of the paragraph from his majesty’s speech, which we have quoted, to those accustomed to the mystifications of royal speeches and diplomatic defiances, explained these apparent disparates. He declares the great objects to which all his efforts have been directed, and of which, while adhering to his arrangements, he will never lose sight, are the termination of the contest between the hostile parties; the permanent settlement of their future relations to each other, and maintenance of the repose of Europe, upon the basis on which it has rested since the last general peace.” [p. 305]

“And where is the protection to the commerce of his majesty’s subjects! And where is the determination to launch all the thunders of Britain at half a dozen skulking piratical cockboats, driven by the desperation of famine to seek the subsistence of plunder, assigned in the protocols, the treaty and the communications to the Ottoman Porte, as the great objects of his majesty’s interference between a legitimate sovereign and his revolted rayahs?...In all these documents, issuing from the profound and magnanimous policy of the British warrior statesman, nothing is more remarkable, than the more than stoical apathy with which they regard the cause, for which the Greeks are contending; the more than epicurean indifference with which they witness the martyrdom of a whole people, perishing in the recovery of their religion and liberty…The royal speech of January, 1828 indicates that in the protocol and in the treaty, the government of George IV, had outwitted themselves, and were the dupes of their own policy. It presents the singular spectacle of a sovereign, wincing at the success of his own measures, and repining at the triumph of his own arms. From that time the partialities of England in favor of he ancient ally, have been little disguised; and the disposition to take side with the Porte has only been controlled, by the unwelcome necessity of adhering to the faith of treaties.” [pp. 306-307]

“Far from being like the Hatti Sheriff of the 20th December, an appeal to the Ottoman people, a bold and candid avowal of the precepts of the Koran; it is an utter departure from them, and an assumption, equally shameless and hypocritical, of argument on Christian grounds.” [pp. 308-309]

Justice of the Greek Revolution

“If ever insurrection was holy in the eyes of God, such was that of the Greeks against their Mahometan oppressors. Yet for six long years, they were suffered to be overwhelmed by the whole mass of the Ottoman power; cheered only by the sympathies of all the civilized world, but without a finger raised to sustain or relieve them by the Christian governments of Europe; while the sword of extermination, instinct with the spirit of the Koran, was passing in merciless horror over the classical regions of Greece, the birth-place of philosophy, of poetry, of eloquence, of all the arts that embellish, and all the sciences that dignify the human character. The monarchs of Austria, of France, and England, inflexibly persisted in seeing in the Greeks, only revolted subjects against a lawful sovereign. The ferocious Turk eagerly seized upon this absurd concession, and while sweeping with his besom of destruction over the Grecian provinces, answered every insinuation of interest in behalf of that suffering people, by assertions of the unqualified rights of sovereignty, and by triumphantly retorting upon the legitimates of Europe, the consequences naturally flowing from their own perverted maxims.” [p. 278]

“This pretended discovery of a plot between Russia and the Greeks, is introduced, to preface an exulting reference to the unhallowed butchery of the Greek Patriarch and Priests, on Easter day of 1822, at Constantinople, and to the merciless desolation of Greece, which it calls ‘doing justice by the sword’ to a great number of rebels of the Morea, of Negropont, of Acarnania, Missolonghi, Athens, and other parts 10 of the continent.The document acknowledges, that although during several years, considerable forces, both naval and military, had been sent against the Greeks, they had not succeeded in suppressing the insurrection.” [p. 301]

NOTES

1. Bemis, Samuel Flagg. John Quincy Adams and the Foundations of American Foreign Policy, New York, 1949. pp. 571-572.

2. Parsons, Lynn H. John Quincy Adams- A Bibliography, Westport, CT, 1993, p. 41, entry # 194.

3. Khadduri, Majid. War and Peace in the Law of Islam, 1955, Richmond, VA and London, England, pp. 63-64.

4. Al- Mawardi, The Laws of Islamic Governance [al-Ahkam as-Sultaniyyah], London, United Kingdom, 1996, pp. 77-78.

5. E. W. Lane, An Arabic-English Lexicon (London, 1865), Book I Part II, Jizya, p. 422.

6. Bemis, S. F. John Quincy Adams and the Foundations of American Foreign Policy, p. 570.

7. Ackowledging his earlier position of strict neutrality, while Secretary of State, Pappas makes clear how as President (perhaps under the influence of Lafayette), Adams came to support the Greek cause (Pappas, Paul C. The United States and the Greek War for Independence, 1821-1828, New York, 1985, pp. 125-126.):

“The case of the Greek frigates demonstrated once again America’s benevolent neutrality toward Greece. Motivated no doubt by philhellenic zeal, the United States government came to the Greek’s rescue in violation of the nation’s law and the international laws of neutrality. President Adams and members of the cabinet and of Congress enthusiastically helped Contostavlos [the Greek national seeking warships for his country] and cooperated in passing swiftly and discreetly a bill authorizing the government to purchase one of the Greek frigates. The American government also cooperated in postponing the purchase of the frigate so that Contostavlos could deal with the houses, which refused to compromise on their high demands. And finally, when Contostavlos was ready to sail with the frigate Hope to Greece, President Adams temporarily put aside neutrality to allow an armed ship to sail out of New York with American officers and sailors…”

8. Vacalopoulos describes how jihad imposed dhimmitude under Ottoman rule provided critical motivation for the Greek Revolution (Vacalopoulos, A.E. Background and Causes of the Greek Revolution, Neo-Hellenika, Vol. 2, 1975, pp.54-55):

“The Revolution of 1821 is no more than the last great phase of the resistance of the Greeks to Ottoman domination; it was a relentless, undeclared war, which had begun already in the first years of servitude. The brutality of an autocratic regime, which was characterized by economic spoliation, intellectual decay and cultural retrogression, was sure to provoke opposition. Restrictions of all kinds, unlawful taxation, forced labor, persecutions, violence, imprisonment, death, abductions of girls and boys and their confinement to Turkish harems, and various deeds of wantonness and lust, along with numerous less offensive excesses – all these were a constant challenge to the instinct of survival and they defied every sense of human decency. The Greeks bitterly resented all insults and humiliations, and their anguish and frustration pushed them into the arms of rebellion. There was no exaggeration in the statement made by one of the beys if Arta, when he sought to explain the ferocity of the struggle. He said: ‘We have wronged the rayas [dhimmis] (i.e. our Christian subjects) and destroyed both their wealth and honor; they became desperate and took up arms. This is just the beginning and will finally lead to the destruction of our empire.’ The sufferings of the Greeks under Ottoman rule were therefore the basic cause of the insurrection; a psychological incentive was provided by the very nature of the circumstances.”

9. Bat Ye'or summarized the impact of the first two centuries of Arab Muslim conquests on indigenous Jews and Christians of the Middle East, as follows (The Jerusalem Quarterly 1987; Vol. 42, Pp. 84-85):

“Muslim chroniclers described the ongoing jihad (holy war), involving the destruction of whole towns, the massacre of large numbers of their populations, the enslavement of women and children, and the confiscation of vast regions. This picture of catastrophe and destruction corresponds to the period of gradual erosion of Palestinian Jewry. According to [the Muslim chronicler] Baladhuri (d. 892 C.E.), 40,000 Jews lived in Caesarea alone at the Arab conquest, after which all trace of them is lost…".

The six centuries between 640 and 1240 C.E., she further observes:

“. witnessed the total and definitive destruction of Judaism and Christianity in the Hijaz (modern Saudi Arabia), and the decline of once flourishing Christian and Jewish communities in Palestine (particularly in Galilee for the Jews), Egypt, Syria, Mesopotamia, and Persia. In North Africa, the Christians had been virtually eliminated by 1240 C.E., and the Jews decimated by Almohad persecutions… notwithstanding some brighter intervals, these six centuries witnessed a dramatic demographic reversal whereby the Arab-Muslim minority developed into a dominant majority, resorting to oppression in order to reduce the indigenous populations to tolerated religious minorities…”

Professor H.Z. Hirschberg includes this summary of a contemporary Judeo-Arabic account by Solomon Cohen (which comports with Arab historian Ibn Baydhaq’s sequence of events), from January 1148 C.E, describing the Muslim Almohad conquests in North Africa, and Spain (Hirschberg, H.Z., The Jews of North Africa, Leiden, Vol. 1, 1974, pp. 127-128):

“Abd al-Mumin…the leader of the Almohads after the death of Muhammad Ibn Tumart the Mahdi [note: Ibn Tumart was a cleric whose writings bear a striking resemblance to Khomeini’s rhetoric eight centuries later] …captured Tlemcen [in the Maghreb] and killed all those who were in it, including the Jews, except those who embraced Islam…All the cities in the Almoravid [dynastic rulers of North Africa and Spain prior to the Almohads] state were conquered by the Almohads. One hundred thousand persons were killed in Fez on that occasion, and 120,000 in Marrakesh….Large areas between Seville and Tortosa [in Spain] had likewise [emphasis added] fallen into Almohad hands.”

Speros Vryonis provides a contemporary Georgian chroniclers account of the Seljuk jihad in Asia Minor and Georgia during the late 11th and early 12th centuries (Vryonis, Speros Jr. “Nomadization and Islamization in Asia Minor”, Dumbarton Oaks Papers, Vol. 29, 1975, pp. 50-51):

“The process itself is described in its essential details by the Georgian chronicle for northeast Asia Minor and the adjoining Georgian regions. The process which it describes was not unique to the northeast, for we see it in the west and the south of Asia Minor as well..

‘The emirs spread out, like locusts, over the face of the land…The countries of Asis-Phorni, Clardjeth, up to the shores of the sea, Chawcheth, Adchara, Samtzkhe, Karthli, Argoueth, Samokalako, and Dchqondid were filled with Turks who pillaged and enslaved all the inhabitants. In a single day they burned Kouthathis, Artanoudj, and hermitages of Clardjeth, and they remained in these lands until the first snows, devouring the land, massacring all those who had fled to the forests to the rocks, to the caves…The calamities of Christianity did not come to an end soon thereafter, for at the approach of spring, the Turks returned to carry out the same ravages and left [again] in the winter. The [inhabitants] however were unable to plant or to harvest. The land, [thus] delivered to slavery, had only animals of the forests and wild beasts for inhabitants. Karthli was in the grip of intolerable calamities such as one cannot compare to a single devastation or combination of evils of past times. The holy churches served as stables for their horses, the sanctuaries of the Lord served as repairs for the abominations [Islam]. Some of the priests were immolated during the Holy communion itself, and others were carried off into harsh slavery without regard to their old age. The virgins were defiled, the youths circumcised, and the infants taken away. The conflagration, extending its ravages, consumed all the inhabited sites, the rivers, instead of water, flowed blood. I shall apply the sad words of Jeremiah, which he applied so well to such situations: “the honorable children of Zion, never put to the rest by misfortunes, now voyaged as slaves on foreign roads. The streets of Zion now wept because there was no one [left] to celebrate the feasts. The tender mothers, in place of preparing with their hands the nourishment of the sons, were themselves nourished from the corpses of these dearly loved. Such and worse was the situation at the time.’…

By the time [of the late 11th and early 12th centuries, i.e. (1083-1125)]…the nomads had effected permanent settlement in these regions, moving into the abandoned and devastated areas with their tents, families, and flocks of livestock.”

A. E. Vacalopoulos summarized the devastating impact of five centuries of Seljuk and Ottoman jihad campaigns in Asian Minor and the Balkans (Vacalopoulos, A.E. Origins of the Greek Nation-The Byzantine Period, 1204-1461, New Brunswick, N.J., 1970, pp. 61, 68; 72-73):

“At the beginning of the eleventh century, the Seljuk Turks forced their way into Armenia and there crushed the armies of several petty Armenian states. No fewer than forty thousand souls fled before the organized pillage of the Seljuk host to the western part of Asia Minor. From the middle of the eleventh century, and especially after the battle of Malazgirt [Manzikurt] (1071), the Seljuks spread throughout the whole Asia Minor peninsula, leaving error, panic and destruction in their wake. Byzantine, Turkish and other contemporary sources are unanimous in their agreement on the extent of havoc wrought an the protracted anguish of the local population…[The Greek chronicler] Kydones described the fate of the Christian peoples of Asia Minor thus:

‘The entire region which sustained us, from the Hellespont eastwards to the mountains of Armenia, has been snatched away. They [the Turks] have razed cities, pillaged churches, opened graves, and filled everything with blood and corpses…Alas, too, they have even abused Christian bodies. And having taken away their entire wealth they have now taken away their freedom, reducing them to the merest shadows of slaves. And with such dregs of energy as remain in these unfortunate people, they are forced to be the servitors of the Turk’s personal comforts.’

“From the time the Ottoman Turks first set foot in Thrace under Suleiman, son of Orchan, the Empire rapidly disintegrated….From the very beginning of the Turkish onslaught under Suleiman, the Turks tried to consolidate their position by the forcible imposition of Islam. [The Ottoman historian] Sukrullah [maintained] those who refused to accept the Moslem faith were slaughtered and their families enslaved. ‘Where there were bells’, writes the same author, ‘Suleiman broke them up and cast them onto fires. Where there are churches he destroyed them or converted them into mosques. Thus, in place of bells there were now muezzins. Wherever Christian infidels were still found, vassalage was imposed upon their rulers. At least in public they could no longer say ‘kyrie eleison’ but rather “There is no God but Allah; and where once their prayers had been addressed to Christ, they were now to ‘Mohammed, the prophet of Allah.’ ”

E.G. Browne (A Literary History of Persia, Vol. III, 1928, p. 196) describes the jihad depredations of Timur [Tamerlane] against the Christian populations of Georgia and Asia Minor, at the outset of the 15th century (A Literary History of Persia, Vol. III, Cambridge, 1928, p. 196):

“The winter of A.D. 1399-1400 was spent by Timur in Qarabagh near the Araxes, and ere spring had melted the snows he once more invaded [Christian] Georgia, devastated the country, destroyed the churches and monasteries, and slew great numbers of the inhabitants. In August, 1400, he began his march into Asia Minor by way of Avnik, Erzeroum, Erzinjan, and Sivas. The latter place offered stubborn resistance, and when it finally capitulated Timur caused all the Armenian and Christian soldiers to the number of four thousand to be buried alive; but the Muhammadans he spared.”

10. John Cartwright, British Consul-General in Constantinople, filed the following report from Constantinople May 25, 1822 (in, Argenti, Philip. The Massacres of Chios, Described in Contemporary Diplomatic Reports, London, 1932, pp. 39-40.)

“Scio [Chios], with the exception of twenty five of the Mastic Villages, was a complete scene of desolation – the air corrupted by the stench of dead bodies had produced an infectious disorder on board the Turkish Fleet which was daily carrying off its’ victims. The fate of the unhappy survivors in the Sciote tragedy is miserable indeed – the females and children doomed to slavery from which there will be but little chance of redemption, as all possible means are taken to prevent the sale of them to Christians. The hostages who were confined in the Castle of Scio as well as those who were here have been put to death.”

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