"We actually know how much your media control your minds, and spread incorrect news about Islam."

*cough* Religion of Peace *cough*

I'm not arguing his point.

Posted by: Stinkyinfidel at March 31, 2008 5:29 PM

I'm a "cheeky human" and loving it.

Posted by: MarisolJW at March 31, 2008 5:30 PM

I checked the hacked site, with it's diatribe.

Actually, the site being hacked is maybe not such a bad thing, compared to what the protester *could* have done. It's at least a step in the right direction.

Of course, hacking works both ways.

But the most important thing is the information. And, what about it? Was there such a thing as a "massacre" of 1000 by "Christian Extremists" in Indonesia? Anyone hear of such a thing?

Posted by: Eastview at March 31, 2008 5:32 PM

I know the truth of Islam and that psychopath Mohammad. The truth is that Islam is EVIL its Prophet is the Epitome of EVIL. He embodies the vile and the disgusting and maniacs of the world. He was a lowlife common thief, a illiterate fool, a rapping and child molesting buffoon. He was one the most evil of all worst of all tyrants and scumbags. There is nothing on this earth that is as evil as Islam.

Posted by: savsiv at March 31, 2008 5:33 PM

INDONESIA MASSACRE 2001 by Christian Extremists

{500 KILLED, HAND-SLAUGHTERED}
taken from the hacked web site)

Well, they found ONE example of a crime (if it's even true -- I wouldn't trust them for a moment).

Compare that to the millions of crimes committed by muslims, beginning with the Pedophile-in-Chief himself, Ole Mo'.

Or, we could compare 500 total people killed with an average of 500 per day worldwide by the followers of the Pedophile-in-Chief.

Let them have their laugh. They are showing themselves for the arrogant idiots that they are.

Posted by: PersonOfTheBook at March 31, 2008 5:34 PM

But the most important thing is the information. And, what about it? Was there such a thing as a "massacre" of 1000 by "Christian Extremists" in Indonesia? Anyone hear of such a thing?

Posted by: Eastview at March 31, 2008 5:32 PM
----------------------------------------
Yeah, I just heard about it, from the imaginary world of a follower of the Pedophile-in-Chief.

Posted by: PersonOfTheBook at March 31, 2008 5:36 PM

500 is pretty far away from 10,000+ since 9/11

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/TROP.jpg

Posted by: Stinkyinfidel at March 31, 2008 5:37 PM

"I know the truth of Islam and that psychopath Mohammad. The truth is that Islam is EVIL its Prophet is the Epitome of EVIL. He embodies the vile and the disgusting and maniacs of the world. He was a lowlife common thief, a illiterate fool, a rapping and child molesting buffoon. He was one the most evil of all worst of all tyrants and scumbags. There is nothing on this earth that is as evil as Islam."

Posted by: savsiv

My words exactly! Islam is evil to the core!

Posted by: champ at March 31, 2008 5:39 PM

Islam = Religion of Hacks, Hackers & Hijackers

Posted by: champ at March 31, 2008 5:44 PM

Should we be impressed with Islamic cyber terror?

Indonesia massacred 2-300.000 Christian East Timoreseand continues to destabilize this fragile island nation, the jihad against Christians in Sulawesi, the Molucca's, Ambon, Borneo and other outlying islands continues, the world ignores it.

Posted by: sheik yer'mami at March 31, 2008 5:48 PM

"Anyway, we are not trying to change your faiths, nor your believes about Muslims"

Posted by: Crusader at March 31, 2008 5:52 PM

I hope everybody Googles "INDONESIA MASSACRE 2001 by Christian Extremists" and finds...links after link reporting atrocities committed against Christians, by Muslims.

Really.

Posted by: deesine at March 31, 2008 5:52 PM

Well, that was a most convincing statement smuggled in by those hackers, and the website to which they provided a link for Infidels certainly removed any last little doubts I might have had about Islam. That's the faith for me!

Posted by: Hugh at March 31, 2008 6:01 PM

These killer nutburgers wouldn't be so agitated if Fitna had not come so close to exposing them. "The truth hurts" sometimes and it certainly applies here.

Posted by: pismopal at March 31, 2008 6:07 PM

I looked at the video

wow they killed their own children so they could make this video.

hack a website so you can show how you hacked your own children and pretend it was those christians...

that is a pretty sicko thing to do.

a bit like the romans saying the christian sect ate people....

You will not see any christian leader in their hacked video calling for the hacking of moslems.
nor will you see any christians actually hacking.

odd really because if christians did such a thing why can't he show as much evidence as fitna video does?

I did hear around the time of 2001 of genocide against christians in indonesia when mujahadeen arrived with weapons on a civilian flight and got checked through customs by the police and i heard first hand accounts from survivors of the moslem massacres.....

I've also been to khalody in armenia where moslems killed thier own in crossfire and tehn mutilated the bodies to display to the world press so when questioned about their genocide of the armenians the moslems could say: hey look here, once those armenians killed a few people so look what we are doing is now ok!

thing is people are realising the lies of islam and it's not that they want to kill moslems -- they just wish they'd go back to islamistan and leave us in peace....

Posted by: exposesithlords at March 31, 2008 6:12 PM

Doing some research in google, the idiots are from saudi arabia, here is one of their "fine" works...

Muslims, once more showing the love and peace from the hippie religion of islam.
http://www.zone-h.net/defaced/2007/02/25/www.rosiello.org/

Posted by: Dr.CancerMan at March 31, 2008 6:15 PM

Deesine,

That's what I've found so far. Muslims are often manufacture obfuscating politicized complexity, trying to captitalize on the West's sense of fairness, ignorance of history, and intellectual laziness, attempting to induce moral paralysis.

I, like Deesine, find only things like

http://www.westernresistance.com/blog/archives/003008.html

which appear to be trumped up framings of Christians who then are promptly executed, in a country where murderous Muslim terrorists get hand slaps and commutations.

Perhaps someone could enlighten us on Christian-on-Muslim atrocities in Indonesia? Anybody?

Posted by: Concerned Citizen at March 31, 2008 6:18 PM

This seems to be a spoof site, not Wilders' original, which is still showing a Network Solutions' "censored" message:

http://fitnathemovie.com

eTaqiyya?

Posted by: profitsbeard at March 31, 2008 6:18 PM

There has been violence i East Timor for a while now. Remember that it was Noam Chomsky's big issue.

I don't care if they are muslims are christians or buddhists - anyone who would intentionally kill children is scum.

It's more of a feud in that part of the world, however, not a global religio-politcal movement a la Al Qaeda, so it's really apples and oranges.

They could malign buddhists by using the Timor Tigers in the same way if they wanted.

Posted by: non-croyant at March 31, 2008 6:31 PM

er - TAMIL Tigers.

Posted by: non-croyant at March 31, 2008 6:32 PM

Posted by: profitsbeard at March 31, 2008 6:18 PM

It's not a spoof site. It is a site that until recently hosted the movie and had other articles. They had to pick a new domain name since NS is still holding and investigating the original domain name that you referenced.

Posted by: awake at March 31, 2008 6:53 PM

Bodycount of people killed by islam,,

from Political Islam,,

http://www.politicalislam.com/blog/tears-of-jihad/

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solsticewitch13

Posted by: solsticewitch13 at March 31, 2008 6:53 PM

But the most important thing is the information. And, what about it? Was there such a thing as a "massacre" of 1000 by "Christian Extremists" in Indonesia? Anyone hear of such a thing?

If that's true I'm sorry but I'd take it as a ray of hope...that those being persecuted and murdered in the name of Islam were finally standing up and striking back. But I'm afraid it's just another Islamic media lie. But I do have hope that the west may finally stand up and start striking back. And I'm not talking about Bushes inane attempts at building democratic nations (instituted on Sharia). I'm talking about draconian destruction of infrastructure without more than moderate concern for collateral damage. Blow up every bridge, dam, power plant and major industrial center (do Islamic countries even HAVE industrial centers?) After that I really don't care who's in charge. Rule over rubble. And I don't care about the civilian suffering in the aftermath. Choose your leaders more carefully next time. Wage your wars with each other, something you're strikingly good at. See ya. We're outa here. The BEST argument for leaving Iraq NOW is that it would lead to civil war. That's a problem? Not in my world.

Posted by: Rick at March 31, 2008 7:00 PM

They are so AFRAID of what they are, but they are even more afraid that we should find out!

Posted by: Armoured Passionfruit at March 31, 2008 7:05 PM

Was there such a thing as a "massacre" of 1000 by "Christian Extremists" in Indonesia?

Did you watch their video? I did. I showed children hacked up by what I would guess to be machetes.

There is never call for doing anything like that.

Yes Rick, there has been unrest in East Timor for decades. East Timor is almost entirely Roman Catholic. There are incidents of massacres on both sides. It's sad.

Posted by: non-croyant at March 31, 2008 7:06 PM

Well Mr. Spencer, do you have a downloadable version of this film available from your site?

Every thing that I have downloaded thus far is corrupted. Apparently, someone does not want me to see this film -- which I have seen already.

Nonetheless, I would think that a virus/corruption/trojan-horse free version should appear somewhere?

Posted by: witness at March 31, 2008 7:10 PM

witness,

I know I am seeding an avi via piratebay.org.

It's not the best capture but it's definitely watchable.

Posted by: non-croyant at March 31, 2008 7:15 PM

Do you u torrents witness? There is no way this film will ever be stopped, or at least not easily attainable. Guess they'll want to ban the internet next.

Posted by: Stinkyinfidel at March 31, 2008 7:16 PM

while there may be a few black hat hackers [re illegal hackers] there are white hat hackers that exist to stop this sort of nonsense and there are two e-mail links on the hacked site where you can express your indignation to the apparent hackers
Mr.volcano@googlemail.com cyb3rt@hotmail.com
maybe we need to flood the idiots in boxes with so much e-mail they cry uncle but be polite

Posted by: crusader at March 31, 2008 7:29 PM

Eastview -

The Madurese were massacred by the Dayak to drive them out of Borneo. A quick check has the Madurese being Islam, but to say the Dayak is 100% Christian might be a stretch.

I can't vouch for the authenticity of this, but nothing jumped out at me to suggest it was inacurate.

http://archive.southcoasttoday.com/daily/02-01/02-28-01/a02wn015.htm

Posted by: Occupant at March 31, 2008 7:33 PM

Several decades ago, the Indonesian government demanded that each of its citizens register as members of one of five faiths. These were Islam, Hinduism, Christianity, Judaism [!], and Buddhism. This made it open season on all local animistic practices. It also gave members of the five favored religions a false sense of superiority over others, which was previously unheard of in Indonesian societies. The hacker’s video testifies to the result.

Posted by: skevin at March 31, 2008 7:33 PM

Eastview - more (but a trusted location) ;-)
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/008206.php

Posted by: Occupant at March 31, 2008 7:41 PM

NO, YOU "so-called humans," YOU ISLAMIC BARBARIANS!

Stop mass-murdering people, you savages!

Bravo "Fitna!"

Posted by: darcy at March 31, 2008 7:44 PM

I know the truth of Islam and that psychopath Mohammad. The truth is that Islam is EVIL its Prophet is the Epitome of EVIL. He embodies the vile and the disgusting and maniacs of the world. He was a lowlife common thief, a illiterate fool, a rapping and child molesting buffoon. He was one the most evil of all worst of all tyrants and scumbags. There is nothing on this earth that is as evil as Islam."

Posted by: savsiv

My words exactly! Islam is evil to the core!

Posted by: champ at March 31, 2008 5:39 PM

I concur. Well, Naziism is as evil as Islam. Both. The two most evil ideologies this imperfect world has ever known.

Mo and Adolph - 2 peas in a pod. (Nothing against peas - I love 'em).

Posted by: darcy at March 31, 2008 7:50 PM

This is better:

"The Jakarta Post of 28 February reported that Coord. Minister for Political, Social and Security Affairs Susilo B. Yudhoyono and Muslim scholar Nurcholiosh Madjid said that the Sampit violence was part of an ethnic conflict that had nothing to do with religion. The minister was responding to the Islamic Defence Institute’s statement that the riots were a sectarian conflict between the Christian Dayaks and the Muslim Madurese. The nation-wide Madura Community Association also concluded that the conflict was not religious in origin and on Tuesday urged the Madurese affected by the pogroms in Central Kalimantan to exercise restraint and allow the matter to be resolved through the legal process."

http://www.who.int/disasters/repo/6479.doc

Posted by: Occupant at March 31, 2008 7:50 PM

One event, six years old. Is that it?

It seems more like what passes for todays typical Tribal Politics.

Senseless butchery. There is always a great deal of animosity's for events like this. Seldom expressed through the Media in a way to know who is who.

Posted by: flowerknife_us at March 31, 2008 8:10 PM

I'm off the subject here, but I just came across this on "you tube". Queen Rania of Jorden just opened a account.

http://www.queenrania.jo/

Posted by: Joe Schmoe USA at March 31, 2008 8:10 PM

If I understand this correctly, now if we question Islam even our 'humanity' is questioned? Or is it that being 'human' is questioned?

People don't agree with me on much especially my spouse, but I don't think I would question the 'human' in them for disagreeing. If I did it would question the 'intellect' in me, which already is a shallow wading pool.

Posted by: alaskan1000 at March 31, 2008 8:17 PM

Profitsbeard, themoviefitna site was a discussion forum, and it appeared to be non-Muslim.

Fitnathemovie is the Nutwork Solutions site.

Posted by: Pelayo at March 31, 2008 8:42 PM

the hackers referring to the christian muslim fights on the island of timur and fails to mention that it was a fight that they died and not a massacre guys shooting at each other .

Posted by: spcbat at March 31, 2008 8:54 PM

Humans of the world, unite!

Posted by: Lex at March 31, 2008 9:02 PM

Joe Schmoe USA,

I visited Queen Rania's site and clicked the YouTube link, which includes a comment section. There's quite a hodge podge of posters represented, even one "HollandaiseHooker."

Here's what I posted for the good Queen to ponder:

As a Christian who lives in U.S., what has disturbed me the most about Islam is its insistence that Jesus wasn't even crucified! Even those Jews who hated Jesus believed that he had been crucified. Yet, when I've asked Muslims about this, I've been told two different stories, one being that Allah tricked the soldiers into crucifying someone else that they thought was Jesus (which means that Mary was also tricked, and prepared a total stranger's body for burial. She presumably went to her own grave not knowing that Jesus was actualy safe and sound in Paradise!) the other being that Jesus actually survived the crucifiction! I think that both accounts are completely absurd. What do you think?

Posted by: Lex at March 31, 2008 9:11 PM

Queen Rania has perhaps bitten off more than she can chew by inviting comments. For example, here's the latest, from palestinianryder:

"With all due respect, this is a nice intention, but you do not, and never will, represent the "Arab Islamic World" that you want to "show"...Queen Rania you are not a True Muslim or a True Arab...Your ruling elite of Jordan has killed more Palestinians then Israel has in its whole existence!!!I hope you and the Jordanian Royal Family as a whole burns in hell, Insha'Allah."

Is God willing?

Posted by: Lex at March 31, 2008 9:26 PM

Way off topic here:

http://freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080330/NEWS02/803300590

The journalist reports:

"Underneath the colonel's bearded face, the store's sign reads "Now serving halal original & crispy." "

The sign actually reads, ""Now serving halal orignal & crispy.""

But it's only a chicken place, right? A halal orignal chicken place, to be exact.

Obviously, attention to details isn't a requirement for a modern-day "journalist" these days.

Posted by: Aiken Bryce at March 31, 2008 9:33 PM

It seems there has been little street action over Fitna, but lot's of political and cyber action.
The only predicted riots that are happening are from politicians, and cyber jihadists. They may be planning to hack any site that carries Fitna, including this one... Shields up Scotty...Aye, aye Captain...

Posted by: duh_swami at March 31, 2008 9:40 PM

If Christians do something bad to Muslims in Indonesia is only a defensive or retaliatory move for many years of Christian killings by Muslims and feed up with it. Then Islamist call foul.

http://www.mtholyoke.edu/~rgwhitma/classweb2/Santa%20Cruz%20Massacre.htm

Posted by: LAYNUKS at March 31, 2008 10:05 PM

Dude, again, I don't care who it was who did it - hacking up children is wrong.

I think posting those vids of Indonesia is irrelevant to whole Fitna discussion, but I'm not about to excuse in the least child killing on the basis of prior Muslim oppression of the killers.

Posted by: non-croyant at March 31, 2008 10:19 PM

Pssst and be careful linking that Web site; people might think you are a fan of Noam Chomsky ;-)

I agree with Noam - it's a disgrace that the US supported the Indonesian government during that time.

Posted by: non-croyant at March 31, 2008 10:26 PM

Another off topic item:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=550549&in_page_id=1770&ico=Homepage&icl=TabModule&icc=picbox&ct=5

Posted by: Aiken Bryce at March 31, 2008 11:10 PM

http://www.iheu.org/node/3123

Everyone can say goodbye to freedom of expression and human rights!

It is... gone...the end, fin...finito!

Guess who hijacked the Human rights Council? Starts with O and ends with IC

Posted by: Dr.CancerMan at March 31, 2008 11:52 PM

the hackers referring to the christian muslim fights on the island of timur and fails to mention that it was a fight that they died and not a massacre guys shooting at each other .

Posted by: spcbat at March 31, 2008 8:54 PM

I'm just wondering if you've ever heard of punctuation?

Posted by: darcy at March 31, 2008 11:59 PM

Aiken Bryce, I clicked on your link about the KFC halal chicken in Dearbornistan.

From the article:

"Halal also requires that during the slaughters, the animal must face Mecca, its blood be totally drained, and the butcher has to say a prayer invoking God."

My God, chickens are being killed in the U.S. facing Mecca? "allah" is being "invoked" during this process?

My God that makes me sad. The insanity of this happening in our country makes me so sad.

Posted by: darcy at April 1, 2008 12:11 AM

Mr. Bryce--

Your links are often worth that off-topic click.

Posted by: Hugh at April 1, 2008 12:25 AM

I apologize for being OT, but can anyone access Andrew Bostom's website? He is posting, but I have been getting nothing but error messages trying to access from Google for at least a week now.

Unable to connect

Firefox can't establish a connection to the server at www.andrewbostom.org.

Posted by: Connie at April 1, 2008 12:38 AM

For those who doubt this happend, but the figure is 39 slain not 500 hundred.

As the site claims you will not find this if you use the key words they suggest, but they are being very misleading

Try these key words instead, Fabianus Tibo, Dominggus de Silva and Marinus Riwu.

or

Walisongo Pesantren massacre

On May 28th 2000 a Christian militia encircled Sintuwu Lemba, a village populated mainly by Javanese cacao farmer migrants. The villagers ran to the nearby Muslim boarding school, Pesantren Walisongo, to hide but were later found and hacked to death or shot. Some accounts of the massacre said that thirty-nine bodies were later discovered in three mass graves near the school, although Muslim sources have always claimed the total massacred was almost 200.

While The Indonesians have been executed for this incident, not so much has been noted to the background of this

Central Sulawesi burst into figurative flame in 1998 following land disputes between Christian and Muslim communities.

An influx of Muslims escaping conflict in the neighboring Maluku islands, and over 2,000 fighters from the extremist Muslim Laskar Jihad from Java to join the conflict, meant Central Sulawesi became a fertile recruiting ground for radical groups such as JI and Mujahidin KOMPAK,

One of the bloodiest incidents in the Central Sulawesi conflict occurred in 2000, when Christians attacked the Walisongo Muslim boarding school in Poso, killing 70 people – both school children and adults.

Three Christian where executed for killing Muslims during sectarian violence that shook Indonesia’s Sulawesi island six years ago.

Supporters of the three men said they are not guilty, and are being used as scapegoats.

The three Indonesian Catholic men, Fabianus Tibo, Dominggus de Silva and Marinus Riwu, were convicted of killing Muslims during Muslim-Christian clashes in the central Sulawesi town of Poso in 2000.

The men had exhausted most avenues to stop their execution, two higher courts and President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono have rejected their appeals.

But the chief attorney for the three men, Stefanus Roy Rening, says they are still waiting for a reply from Mr. Yudhoyono on a second clemency appeal, filed last month.

He says all three men are innocent and being used as scapegoats in an unfair justice system. He also says the three are not the masterminds of the Poso violence, which is why they should not be executed.

The men are convicted of a massacre of more than 200 unarmed people, mostly women, children and students, who were shot and hacked to death while hiding in a Muslim school. It was one of the worst incidents in the clashes between Muslims and Christians that claimed more than 1,000 lives.

But the three deny being at the scene of the killings, and police are investigating 16 other men as the real masterminds of the massacre.

Posted by: InfidelK9 at April 1, 2008 12:42 AM

Back on topic, I took a look at "view source" by the hackers earlier today.

<<< VoLcaNo & Cyber-Terrorist >>>

mailto:Mr.volcano@googlemail.com

and

mailto:cyb3rt@hotmail.com

Posted by: Connie at April 1, 2008 12:43 AM

I think that was penned by the guy who wrote "All your bases are belong to us."

Posted by: Bingo at April 1, 2008 12:57 AM

Is Queen Rania the only wife of King Abdullah? Or does he have more? (I know it's a somewhat bizarre question to be asking, but we are talking Mohammedans here, and that too the head of state of a major Arab country)

Her site looks like it's one targeted at Infidels for a good dose of taquiyya, rather than one targeted at her subjects.

Posted by: Infidel Pride at April 1, 2008 1:44 AM

I think pretty queen Rania is in LALA land. she is viewing the arab world through pink colored glasses. Her taqyaa, Hey look at the pretty arab women, look at their music videos, the arab coffee shops, all the arab buildings, the clothes, the food, the culture. see 99% of the time arabs are friendly and peaceful. they don't mean any harm, why it's those nasty western media that is turning arabs into mindless haters and killers. What you say there is a 1 ton jihad elephant in the room? I say what elephant?, there is no elephant. You must be imagining things.

Posted by: desidude at April 1, 2008 2:30 AM

"What a Shame on You so called ‘Humans,’".........

So, they finally admit it.

They are not human.

I wonder what planet they come from.

Posted by: Rab at April 1, 2008 3:26 AM

I lived in both Java (Indonesia) and Borneo (Brunei & Sarawak) from the mid 1970s to mid 1980s. You don’t have to go very far inland to know there are all sorts of rival tribes, who go back many centuries, and during that time there have been frequent violent conflicts between them. Same situation in Africa and Amazon basin etc. etc.
Anyway, regarding this alleged massacre in Indonesia, if so-called Christians were involved, there is nothing written in the Bible that would have been a factor. Just as with the IRA – i.e. not one IRA terrorist took their inspiration from the Bible.
But Islam IS different. Suicide bombers, hijackers, and those who persecute Christians on a daily basis today in Indonesia, Africa, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Iran, Iraq (well practically everywhere in the muslim world) etc. etc., take their instructions DIRECTLY from the Koran.
By the way, I was also in Indonesia when Suharto’s Islamic militia invaded East Timor and massacred many thousands of Christians. Enough said.

Posted by: Infidel419 at April 1, 2008 5:13 AM

Yes, Humans of the world unite!

Whats next; Blame the tsunami on Christians and Bush. I guess the Pres. had a couple of our subs nuke an underwater rock pile to cause the waves.

Their UN-human behaviour never ceases to amaze. Under the 'everything old is new again' catagory, this rivals the always rediculous claims of the commies and nazis. Sadly, there are always nut-jobs awaiting, ready to believe anything.

Posted by: guide inside at April 1, 2008 8:03 AM

Rab,

They are the Borg, and have no home planet, unless it is the cube shaped planet Bizarro, a.k.a., Htrae, but the experts don't agree on this. What we do know is that the Borg prowl about the galaxy in a cube shaped ship, looking for species to assimilate, if possible. Incidentally, the Ka'baa was built by Adam, of the Adam and Eve Muslims, and was modelled after the Borg ship that he saw parked in the sky one day.

Does this help?

Posted by: Lex at April 1, 2008 8:47 AM

Dr.CancerMan,

Yes, IslamoNazism is ascendent. Who will kill the beast?

Posted by: Lex at April 1, 2008 9:02 AM

Well they just hacked it again with the same message, so obviously using the same exploit.

Posted by: Daffersd at April 1, 2008 9:04 AM

I see they are up to their mischief as always.
Ever since Allah allegedly whispered to the angel Gabriel to tell Mohammad that Jews and Christians were apes and pigs, as well as anyone else who did not accept this silliness. Do jihadists actually think of the wealth of other nations just waiting for them, all justly theirs because others won’t (can’t) believe in their silliness? All those masses out there, ripe for their jihad? Do they actually feel both the joy and thrill of not only the anticipation of their actions but their certainty that their efforts are to be rewarded in heaven?

Posted by: PraiaFlamego at April 1, 2008 10:33 AM

So they have it up again, and they persist in lying

This massacre did happen but the figures they quote are grossly distorted

Some accounts of the massacre said that thirty-nine bodies were later discovered in three mass graves near the school, although Muslim sources have always claimed the total massacred was almost 200.Yet we see they are now claiming 500

There is no doubt that the victims where hacked to death by Christians and Animanists??? but when looking at the bigger picture, I would say they are the victims of a cynical moslem government

This area was once a Christian area until Jakarta made the biggest land claim on the outer islands of what is now known as Indonesia.

Through a program know as Trans Migration they lured moslem villagers from Java, Madura,Lombok and Bali to resettle in these outer islands, such as Borneo, New Guinea East Timor and Sulawesi

What happened next, these migrants (Moslem invaders) started building mosques and demanding the locals to conform to there deviant alien ways.
As more moslems can, so the crime rate increased and became more violent, while the government sat back twiddling its fingers while living on the fat of the land much like we see happening in Europe now such as Bradford,Tower Hamlets, Paris and Malmo

On December 24, 1998, a young Protestant in the town of Poso in Central Sulawesi province, Indonesia, stabbed a Muslim in the arm. Fighting broke out around town, and a spiral of violence was unleashed. The Poso region proved fertile ground for communal violence: underlying economic, ethnic, and religious tensions were soon compounded by the actions of political rivals, some of whom encouraged and exploited the violence.

Over the next four years, Muslim and Christian groups mounted extended attacks on opposing neighborhoods and villages. For most of that time there was no effective response from authorities. Although it is difficult to determine the precise scope of the violence, it has been extensive: the most credible sources estimate that 1,000 people have been killed, with many more injured and one hundred thousand displaced.

When the locals started saying enough was enough, moslem extremist from Java moved in to help the moslem migrants, and the government and Willie Clinton got fatter, on aid from the American tax-payer, while the moslems where burning villages, hacking people to death and forcefully circumcising Christians

These extremists where being supported and sheltered by the moslem migrants. So when the locals fought back women and children where killed.

Conflicts eventually broke out in more than half of Poso's subdistricts. As the conflict escalated, the number and sophistication of weapons increased and the death toll grew higher, creating new ranks of aggrieved victims seeking revenge in the absence of justice. The failure of the government to protect citizens also gave credibility to hard-liners on both sides and facilitated the arrival of the radical Muslim group Laskar Jihad, based hundreds of miles away on Java.

There has been a great deal made of the role of Laskar Jihad in exacerbating conflicts in Maluku1 and elsewhere, Laskar Jihad's presence helped fuel conflict in Poso. Laskar Jihad had this effect in part because local Muslim communities had lost all faith in the security forces and saw Laskar Jihad's presence as instrumental to their security.

The Walisongo school, was not a school in the normal sense, but a Pesantara teaching a hardline Islam.

What is frightening, the moslems do not show any remorse for the victims who in this case where moslem. INSTEAD the violence continued.

Such as the incident where there school girls where beheaded by masked men

CLICK CLICK CLICK

Masked men

Now the attack on Walisong Pesantara was committed
by masked men.

English translation, read by Istas Hidayat:
My son told me that initially it was a religious conflict between the Protestants and the Muslims without any involvement whatsoever by the Catholics. My son said that they went to Poso from Batena to help protect the girl dormitory run by the nuns, as well as the church. According to them, there was a gang who suddenly turned up and started to kill anybody on their ways. It was they - the gang with the masks on their face - who actually carried out the killings. Police came and arrested about 6 people, but for some unknown reason, it was they (Dominggus and his friends) who were later accused for the killings.

Our sons suspected that the group paid some money -- either to police or people from the prosecutors' office -- to gain the release of the gang and divert the blame to our sons that led to the death sentence on them.

So who where the killers

Ian Freestone is an Australian who has developed close links with the Central Sulawesi Christian Church.

Ian Freestone:
Well one thing I learned fairly quickly is that it was very hard to simplify the cause of the conflict and the solution for the conflict. It really was a complex situation that involved a number of players a number of whom are hidden and unseen, and, depending on who you talked to, you got a different story.

Margaret Coffey:
Does anyone ever give a name to these hidden players, identify their possible hiding places?

Ian Freestone:
No, the only people who are brave enough I think to give a name to them are the people who are removed from them. The people who are there on the ground, be they police, military, local political leaders, continually refer to them as unknown assailants. Even if they may have an inkling as to who they are they are always the unnamed assailants. It's, it's just all very confusing.

Margaret Coffey:
When you arrived in Poso, you would have arrived at ta time when Muslims in particular would have felt enormous anger and grievance over the attack on the pesantren Wali Songo. Can you tell me a little about what you hear from Muslim leaders and Muslims in the community that you met then?

Ian Freestone:
I heard anger, I heard conflicting reports about what had happened by Muslim people, so there wasn't even among the Muslim people a consistent story of what actually occurred at that time. I also found a lot of fear and a lot of confusion among mainstream Muslim people who wanted to live in peace with their Christian neighbours and I found fear and confusion among Christian people as to what was going on. It was like there were strings being pulled that were beyond their control, that were perpetuating the conflict and keeping it alive.

Margaret Coffey:
Ian Freestone - and that motif of strings being pulled is a motif picked up in sociologist George Aditjondro's interpretation of the conflict.

George Aditjondro:
The whole coverage about the Poso conflict since the beginning until now in the Western countries has been too much coloured by the viewpoint that it is an inter-religious conflict blah, blah, blah. It is more complex than simply Christians versus Muslims.

What always comes into the picture is the attack on the Wali Songo pesantren, Muslim boarding school, where between one hundred and two hundred Muslims have been killed. So this is a case where I believe that the intelligence apparatus have very, very, very ingeniously tailored the case to make the Poso conflict from a local conflict into a national conflict and to justify the sending of Muslim militias to Poso, supposedly to defend the Muslim people there.

Margaret Coffey:
What kind of proof do you have of this?

George Aditjondro:
The fact that Tibo himself had not been involved in the attack on the Wali Songo pesantren has now been supported by many researchers among the Muslims in the alliance called Poso Centre. Poso Centre is an alliance of about 30 NGOs in Palu, Poso and Tentena and most of them are Muslim. If you look at the way how the intelligence apparatus, especially [the way] the so-called 'ninja' troops have been operating in East Timor and in East Java, makes me and other friends suspicious that they engineered this attack on this pesantren in order to flare up the inter-religious tensions in Indonesia and thereby justify the consolidation of the military in reaction against the pro-democracy request to demilitarise Indonesian politics.

Posted by: InfidelK9 at April 1, 2008 1:49 PM

"They are the Borg, and have no home planet, unless it is the cube shaped planet Bizarro, a.k.a., Htrae, but the experts don't agree on this. What we do know is that the Borg prowl about the galaxy in a cube shaped ship, looking for species to assimilate, if possible. Incidentally, the Ka'baa was built by Adam, of the Adam and Eve Muslims, and was modelled after the Borg ship that he saw parked in the sky one day.

Does this help?"

Thanks Lex. This explains everything.

With 1.3 billion passengers on board it must be one mother of a mother ship those dudes have.

All the better for flying into buildings I guess.

Posted by: Rab at April 1, 2008 2:18 PM

Just so that people are aware, if you used a valid email then it is possible that it was harvested, I noted a large number of attempts to crack my password since they hacked this site. So I just changed my password to a stonking one with special characters dotted around in various places etc. Crack that if you can bastards!!

Posted by: Daffersd at April 2, 2008 5:00 AM