http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord's_Resistance_Army

The Lord's Resistance Army (LRA), formed in 1987, is a rebel self-proclaimed Christian guerrilla army operating mainly in northern Uganda and parts of Sudan. The group is engaged in an armed rebellion against the Ugandan government in what is now one of Africa's longest-running conflicts. It is led by Joseph Kony, who proclaims himself the spokesperson of God and a spirit medium, primarily of the Christian Holy Spirit which the Acholi believe can represent itself in many manifestations. The group aim to establish a theocratic state based on the Ten Commandments and Acholi tradition. The LRA is accused of widespread human rights violations, including mutilation, torture, rape, the abduction of civilians, the use of child soldiers and a number of massacres.

But I agree, it’s not pure Christianity, but a syncretism with African tribal beliefs...

Posted by: johnsawyer at April 6, 2008 8:12 AM

"Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends."

John 15:13

And that verse wasn't abrogated when Christians became more powerful.

Posted by: Celsius at April 6, 2008 8:14 AM

John Sawyer:

Even Christopher Hitchens, who has no love for Christianity, acknowledges that the LRA’s leader, Joseph Kony, is “obviously far away from the Christian ‘mainstream.’” In fact, “his paymasters and armorers are the cynical Muslims of the Sudanese regime, who use him to make trouble for the government of Uganda, which has in turn supported rebel groups in Sudan. In an apparent reward for this support, Kony at one stage began denouncing the keeping and feeding of pigs” – hardly orthodox Christian behavior.

You'll find that in Hitchens's most recent book.

Cordially
Robert Spencer

Posted by: jihadwatch at April 6, 2008 8:17 AM

"Muslims believe that the book deemed holy by Christians today is a distorted version of the original Bible."

Where did this pernicious idea come from? See WHY do Muslims believe the text of the Bible has been corrupted?

Posted by: Lex at April 6, 2008 8:20 AM

I really can't wait to see this actually. Let's see visuals on their perspective of this. The idea alone of this movie makes me laugh really. I think it is going to be at least as funny as Team America !

Posted by: alien84 at April 6, 2008 8:26 AM

The cartoonist who made the famous bombturban cartoon, Kurt Westergaard was recently interviewed. He has no regrets but even he doesn't seem to grasp the full extent of this problem;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dW-W6UkLhA&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dyUnkZ2Up7Q&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0Ofw4HBkBo&feature=related

Posted by: seville844 at April 6, 2008 8:26 AM

"Beyond Fitna' focuses on the orders given to worldwide Christians in the (distorted version of) Bible for stoking violence, committing genocide, attacking others, beheading and burning women and children who have been taken into captivity."

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA*......

Oh.

They're serious.

wow.

just...wow.

Posted by: MistahTibbs at April 6, 2008 8:35 AM

It appears that the more recent Acholi "tradition" of "mutilation, torture, rape, the abduction of civilians, the use of child soldiers and... massacres," has abrogated the Ten Commandments, which would make the I.R.A's mode of operation more Islamic than Christian.

What, pray tell, will the power mad and delusional NOT do for the "love of God" and the establishment of a "theocratic state?"

Posted by: Lex at April 6, 2008 8:41 AM

Are you kidding? A "Non-Governmental Organization" in IRAN [that's an oxymoron folks, such things don't exist in Iran and publish/film/print without government permission]?!

Besides, I thought we had all come to understand that the corrupted version of the Tanakh and Bible was called the Qur'an. After all, regardless of what Mo claimed in 610-632 CE, the Jewish Tanakh and Torah had been around in written form for over 2000 years and the Christian Bible, which, now at least, incorporates the Tanakh [Old Testament], for two or three hundred years. Of course, Mo claimed that he couldn't read until Gabriel told him to....Ha,Ha,Ha!

Posted by: spinoneone at April 6, 2008 8:47 AM

if this film comes out,...-JW,

Will they lift the death threats that are on Wilder? I don't think so. They are total hypocrites as we have observed over and over again.

Posted by: MusHuntCowboy at April 6, 2008 9:01 AM

If they use mass-murderer Kony the world will laugh.

I saw a documentary on him a few years ago. He kidnaps children to turn them into soldiers. He makes them kill their own parents, or he will kill them. Kony is as evil as Mohammed, Idi Amin, Pol Pot, any of the sociopaths of the world. He has nothing to do with the Christian God, Jesus, and His teachings. Nothing. Zero. Less than Zero.

Talk about grasping at straws, Mohammedans!

Posted by: darcy at April 6, 2008 9:17 AM

>>>>
I will be very interested to see those "film clips from crimes committed by extremist Christians under the inspirations of the said Bible teachings." If they are authentic, they will be from fringe groups that claim to be Christian but whose teachings are repudiated by all mainstream Christian sects. The situation is very different in Islam, where all the sects and schools of jurisprudence teach the necessity of warfare against unbelievers.

>>>>

HI Robert, Folks,,

There won't be many,, if any,, REAL clips of extremist Christians.

But don't forget, these insane people have a whole film production unit. Remember Pallywood?

The religious freaks, who created the Al Dura lie. The propoganda unit in Lebanon, with the dead baby?

They don't need real events, those lying nutters, will just make their own "truth", and the un-educated, borish cave mentality of the middle east, will believe everything they create.

These people are so backwards and savage, they killed a CITES I,, rare, so rare female sea turtle in Gaza who was spawning,,,

and drank it's blood. That one female, *could* (who really knows),, be the tipping point to extinction of that species,,, and those jerks, could only think of killing her and consuming her body. She was 100's of years old.

Broke my heart, to see the video. Only emotions I feel is HATE and ANGER!

'nuff said,,

Also,, here is a GREAT essay on the truth about the crusades. It will be a handy document in everyone's arsenal,,,,

to discuss with those ASSCLOWN, apologists, why the Crusades happened,,,

It's titled,, The Lost History of the Crusades,,

http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/news/observer/story.html?id=27cb8511-2947-4540-a085-4cd4322b20ca

I sent this out to a couple thousand people just now,, our Infidel Tool Kits,, grow,,,

namaste
)0(
solsticewitch13
"don't annoy the bikers"

Posted by: solsticewitch13 at April 6, 2008 9:18 AM

Speaking of film, the world has just been informed that Charleton Heston passed away last nite. As I read these posts, many times over the past years I have been reminded of his 1966 film 'Khartoum'. What a film! You should rent it and see how pertinent it is to our current concerns re: Islam. Laurence Olivier plays 'the Mahdi' with a striking evilness, even lifting a severed head from a basket, which at the time, critics labeled his performance as 'over the top in demonic evil'.

General Gordon (Heston) had come to the Mahdi's tent to forge a peace treaty. As typical of what we see today, his response was the 'head'.

Another 'head case' with a real head as a trophy. The current so-called 'Mahdi' from Iraq is currently in Iran. (visiting the other "Mahdi' in the well, I guess)

Posted by: guide inside at April 6, 2008 9:22 AM

Ironic is that while there is discussion on claims by Muslims to say that the Holy Bible is corrupt, a great and legendary actor has passed on who did roles that involved people from the Holy Bible, Charlton Heston.

Eternel rest be granted to his soul O Lord, and let perpetual light shine upon it, may Charlton Heston soul and the souls of all the faithful departed rest in peace. Amen

Goodbye and thank-you, Moses.

Charlton Heston ( 1924-2008 )

Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at April 6, 2008 9:22 AM

wow.
can someone please tell me why we as Americans have sunk to such an apathetic state as to allow our basic fundamental freedoms such as freedom of speech to be threatened by barbarian terrorists?

Posted by: patriot mike at April 6, 2008 9:28 AM

guide inside,

I remember Mr. Heston from both the "Ten Commandments" and also "Ben Hur". But did he also acted in a movie about the famous "El Cid" ? I remember doing a tour about the famous Pharoah Ramses of the time of the Exodus up in Boston at the Science Museum and did a taped guided tour of the exhibit with him narating it in the cassette in the Walkman tape player at the time. I will miss him and he will be missed.

Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at April 6, 2008 9:29 AM

How ironic: Jimmy Swaggart is holding a Bible, whereas the islamic woman is holding up an assault rifle.

In other words, if a non-muslim says something, he is "attacking" islam; whereas if a muslim uses an assault rifle against a non-muslim, he is simply "defending" islam.

The comparison is mind-boggling.

I guess Rev. Swaggart could inflict some paper cuts on a muslim with his Bible. Even that, however, would be difficult, because the pages in a Bible are typically soft and thin, and it's therefore impossible to get a paper cut, even if you want to.

Another irony: muslims riot and pillage when anyone is going to do a documentary on them (and that's all FITNA is, a documentary); but all is quiet on the non-muslim front when they make a movie.

Here's the final irony: Back in the 1980's, Jimmy Swaggart had a debate with a muslim - Ahmed Deedat -- at LSU. In the debate, Rev Swaggart said that islam was a religion of hate. A gasp went through the audience when he said that. However, the irony is that muslims are continually saying and doing things that confirm what Rev. Swaggart said.

(Please, no jokes about Jimmy Swaggart. I'm just trying to point out the irony of the situation.)

Posted by: PersonOfTheBook at April 6, 2008 9:41 AM

My guess is, that they will declare people like Adolf Hitler and Timothy McVeigh christians and be done with it. Add some Bush and Shock and Awe for good measure. Spice it up with some Sabra and Shatila, et voilà.
How all this is going to impress me, not being either christian or jewish, is beyond me. I'll still consider islam a genocidal death cult.

Posted by: Kim Hartveld at April 6, 2008 10:00 AM

Please, no jokes about Jimmy Swaggart. I'm just trying to point out the irony of the situation.)

Posted by: PersonOfTheBook at April 6, 2008 9:41 AM

Joke about Jimmy Swaggart? He interviewed the non pareil fiery and fabulous Brigitte Gabriel on his show last year. I do not watch JS but I DID watch these 2 programs when I heard that BG would be on. They are fabulous! Everyone should order this 2-VHS Set (I did). Among MANY of her spot-on observations about the Middle East, Gabriel calls the Muslim countries "tribes with flags!" LOL!

She's great. JS is NOT a dhimmi. Everybody order!

Posted by: darcy at April 6, 2008 10:04 AM

I thought people might be interested in this Blogger's list of "America's One Hundred Most Islam Haters" that I just happened to come upon. Hugh makes #30 on the list, Brigitte Gabriel #31, RS #'s 39 AND 44, Michelle Malkin # 63. Well, see the list for yourself:

https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=42310322946141406&postID=4931141061211372237&page=1

Posted by: darcy at April 6, 2008 10:22 AM

That link didn't work. So, here's the October, 2007, list from Blogger "sherif-view." Check out his comments after some of the names!

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America's One Hundred Most Islam Haters

1- John Aschcroft, P
2- Steve Emerson, J his life dedicated spreading hate and Islamphobia
3- Daniel Pipes, J his life dedicated spreading hate, fear against Islam, Moslems
4- Michael Savage, J
5- Glenn Beck , C
6- Dennis Prager, j
7- Michael Medved, J
8- Franklin Graham, E
9- Laura Ingraham, C
10- Cal Thomas, C
11- Ann Coulter, C
12- Wafa Sultan, A , A
13- Nonie Darwish, A, C
14- Ayaan Hirsi Ali, she does not accept any thing but the "total defeat of Islam", A
15- Ibn Waraaqa A, A
16- Jerry Falwell (dead) E
17- Ray Rantel C C
18- Larry Elder C
19- Sean Hannity C C
20- Rush Limbaugh C
21- Pat Robertson, Pastor
22- Neal Boortz, Wicked
23- Mark Levin , J
24- Hugh Hewitt
25- Tammy Bruce, extremely vicious, a full time Islam attacker bull dog, A
26- Tom Tancredo, International Terrorist
27- Jimmy Swaggart , E
28- Fred Barnes
29- Gordon Bishop
30- Hugh Fitzgerald
31- Brigitte Gabriel
32- Mike Gallagher
33- Rev. O'Neil Dozier
34- Sam Harris
35- Warren Tod Huston
36- Rev Benny Hinn, J
37- Christopher Hitchens
38- Pator Rod Parsley, E
39- Robert Spencer, C C
40- Susan Summers
41- Barbara J. Stock
42- J. Grant Swank
43- Srdja Trifkovic
44- Robert Spencer , C C
45- Barbara Simpson, C
46- Bill Bennett, C C
47- Alan Dershowitz J
48- Gary Bauer C C
49- Mark Steyn J
50- David Horowitz J
51- Robert Dornan C C
52- Joe Kaufman J
53- Brigette Gabriel
54- David Brog E
55- Katherine Kersten
56- Alan Keys C C
57- Waleed Shoebat Apostate AP
58- Hugh Hewitte C
59- Sam Donaldson C
60- Jackie Mason J
61- Frank Gaffney , Notorious
62- Ken Garrison, Pastor
63- Michelle Malikin
64- Michael Ramirez , Cartoonist
65- Lars Larson
66- James P Pinkerton
67- Michael Ledeen J
68- Oliver North

C CHRISTIAN, C CATHOLIC CRISTIAN, J JEWISH, A ATHESIT, A APOSTATE, p pentcostal

Posted by: darcy at April 6, 2008 10:28 AM

Darcy,

That is a funny list. Glenn Beck #5? He said he read the Qur'an and thinks Islam is a peaceful religion.

Posted by: Elric66 at April 6, 2008 10:30 AM

Oh, and one other thing: if this film comes out, I guarantee you: no Christians will riot, or rage against free speech.

You're wrong, Robert! We will riot and rage on the internet, in the blogosphere, where it really hurts the muslims. However, we would never riot and rage with actual guns and other weapons, because that wouldn't really hurt the muslims at all.

You know how I know that? Because the muslims say so!

Posted by: PersonOfTheBook at April 6, 2008 10:31 AM

Robert will be pleased to have made the list. Twice.

Posted by: Kim Hartveld at April 6, 2008 10:35 AM

Robert will be pleased to have made the list. Twice.

Posted by: Kim Hartveld at April 6, 2008 10:35 AM

The illustrious Ms. Gabriel also made the list twice!

Right, Elric, Glenn Beck on the list is obviously wrong, and a few others, but, for the most part, what an itemization of the planet's most intelligent and perspicacious early 21st century personages! Thanks, "sherif!" LOL

Posted by: darcy at April 6, 2008 10:54 AM

Pat Robertson is not a pastor, he's a televangelist.

Get your facts straight, sherif!

Posted by: PersonOfTheBook at April 6, 2008 11:00 AM

Basically I don't know how this is gonna work for the muslim argument: they are against defaming religions and for respecting the prophets.

Remember that Jesus and Moses are prophets of Islam!!!

I mentioned Kony's LRA because I think it is the closest thing Christians have to Hezbollah. I'm sure that their argument will go like this: Americans, Israelis, Europeans go to muslim countries, slaughter innocents (collateral damage...), Abu Ghraib...

Well, their argument might not be so far off: we have our armies. We have our values. We use our armies [ie slaughter Muslims] when we defend our values. European civilization is based on Greco-Roman and Judeo-Christian values. Plus, of course, the Enlightenment ("ugly secularization").

I'm just not sure how secularization will fit into this picture.

Posted by: johnsawyer at April 6, 2008 11:10 AM

I'll bet there will be Americans involved in this film.
Someone above mentioned Sean Penn. Yes, he's a raving moonbat. The web is full of idiots who claim Christianity is more dangerous than islam.

Posted by: interestinconundrum at April 6, 2008 11:14 AM

This blasphemous film, Beyond Fitna, is an outrage and insolent provocation to us fanatical Christianist Extremists everywhere. We therefore DEMAND the severest penalties to the filmmakers and members of despicable NGO Islam & Christianity, and to Iran and Iranians, up to and including, most especially, DEATH! DEATH! DEATH! & more DEATH!! (This is very authentic biblical application; ALL the schools of Christianist jurisprudence agree on this.)

Posted by: John C at April 6, 2008 11:35 AM

Basically I don't know how this is gonna work for the muslim argument: they are against defaming religions and for respecting the prophets. Remember that Jesus and Moses are prophets of Islam!!!Revelation for Believers concerning those who Insult prophets

I don't recall them being so much against defaming religions. Is killing polytheists for being polytheists the same as defaming? They also seem to respect a particular "prophet" more than others.

From

Revelation for Believers concerning those who Insult prophets

The Judgement on the one who insults a prophet in the light of the Quran, Sunnah and Classical U’lemaa’

Allah (swt) says “Those who harm* Allah and his messenger, Allah has cursed them in this world and in the next and has prepared for them a humiliating punishment.” (al Ahzaab 33:57) Qadi A’yaad says ‘He (swt) said something similar about those who kill the believers. Part of the curse on them in this world is that they are killed, Allah (swt) says “Cursed they will be. Wherever they are found, they are seized and slain.” (al Ahzaab 33:61) …This is because there is a difference between their harming Allah and His Messenger and harming the believers. Injuring the believers, short of murder, incurs beating and exemplary punishment. The judgement against those who harm Allah and his messenger is more severe, the death penalty.’ (QADI A’YAAD ‘ash Shifa bi Ta’rif Huqooq Mustafaa’ [p.377]) [*NOTE: The word ‘harm’ here is a translation of the word ‘yu’dhoona’ although in English it implies an effect on the object, here it signifies the active party. In reality Allah can never be harmed and the Messenger (saw) can not be harmed after his passing. Rather, only the one directing any malicious words or actions towards Allah and the Messenger (saw) will suffer harm ultimately, and perhaps those who neglect their duty in response to that transgression as the ayah says “And fear a fitnah [calamity] which effects not in particular those who oppress among you, and Allah is Shadeedul I’qaab [Severe in Punishment].” (al Anfaal 8:25)]
Allah (swt) says “If you ask them, they will say ‘We were only talking idly and joking.’ Say: ‘What, were you then mocking Allah, His Signs and His Messenger? Make no excuses. You have disbelieved after your belief.” (at Tawbah 9:65-66) This is kufr and the hadd for that is death as Ibn A’bbaas reports that Nabi (saw) said “Whoever changes his deen kill him.” (BUKHAARI, ABU DAWOOD, IBN MAAJAH and in the mursal of Zayd ibn Aslam with the words “…strike his neck.” MAALIK kitaabul Aqdiyah [vol.2 no.1444])
A’li ibn Abi Talib reported that Nabi (saw) said “Whoever curses a prophet kill him. Whoever curses my companions beat him.” (TABARAANI, DARAQUTNI)
· Imaam Maalik ibn Anas [d.179 h.] said “Any Muslim who curses the Prophet (saw) is killed without being asked to repent.” (SAHNOON ‘al Mudawwanatul Kubra’, AL U’TBI ‘al U’tbiyyah’, QADI A’YAAD ‘ash Shifa bi Ta’rif Huqooq Mustafaa’)
· Imaam Ibn al Qaasim [d.196 h. Maaliki Madh-hab] said “Anyone who curses him, reviles him, finds fault with him or disparages him is killed. The community says that he should be killed just like the dualist. Allah made it obligatory to respect the Prophet and be dutiful to him.” He also said “Any Jew or Christian who curses the Prophets in any way other than that by which he normally disbelieves is beheaded unless he becomes Muslim.” (AL U’TBI ‘al Utibiyyah’, QAADI A’YAAD ‘ash Shifa bi Ta’rif Huqooq Mustafaa’ [p.374] & second quote [p.439] )
· Imaam Ibn Abi Zayd al Qayrawaani [d.386 h. Maaliki Madh-hab] said “If someone speaks disrespectfully of the Messenger of Allah (saw) he should be put to death without accepting his repentance. If someone from a tolerated class speaks disrespectfully of him, aside from simply expressing his disbelief, he should be put to death unless he becomes a Muslim.” (Al QAYRAWAANI ‘ar Risaalah’ [p.173])
· Imaam Ibn Hazm [d.456 h. Zaahiri Madh-hab] said "A person who insults Allah (swt) or any of His prophets is a disbeliever and must be executed without mercy or compensation." (IBN HAZM 'al Muhalla' [vol.11 no.2308])
· Qaadi A’yaad [d.544 h. Maaliki Madh-hab] said “Know that all who curse Muhammad (saw), or blame him or attributes imperfection to him in his person, his lineage, his deen or any of his qualities, or alludes to that or its like by any means whatsoever, whether in the form of a curse or contempt or belittling him or detracting from him or finding fault with him or maligning him, the judgment regarding such a person is the same the judgement against anyone who curses him. He is killed as we will make clear. This judgment extends to anything which amounts to a curse or a disparagement. We have no hesitation concerning this matter, be it a clear statement or allusion. The same applies to anyone who curses him, invokes against him, desires to harm him, ascribes to him what does not befit his position or jokes about his mighty affair with foolish talk, satire, disliked words or lies, or reviles him because of any affliction or trial which happened to him or disparages him, because of any of the permissible and well-known human events which happened to him. All of this is the consensus of the u’lamaa and the Imaams of fatwa from the time of the sahaabah until today.” (QADI A’YAAD ‘ash Shifa bi Ta’rif Huqooq Mustafaa’ [p.373])
· Sidi Khaleel [d.676 h. Maaliki Madh-hab] said concerning issues which break the contract of protection for the dhimmi [the non-Muslim living in Dar al Islam] “Insults a prophet with slander over and above what constitutes his disbelief…he should be put to death unless he embraces Islam.” (KHALEEL ‘al Mukhtasar’)

Yeah, those ruthless Christians are just like that, everyday: "Talk smack about Jesus, and you better watch out!" "Confess or die, infidel!"

I would like to nominate Rosie O'Donnell to narrarate the English version.

Posted by: Concerned Citizen at April 6, 2008 12:07 PM

There was lots of Jewish (more correctly, Israelite) violence against non-believers in the early years of Israel. But there hasn't been any to speak of in the past 2000 years.

Similar story with Christians. In the beginning, there was no violence against non-believers. Then, two or three centuries later, violence began against non-believers, particularly against Jews. But it was not universally taught or done. And for the last two- or three-hundred years, there has been very little Christian violence against non-believers. What little there has been has been universally condemned by all Christian leaders.

islam is a totally different story. islam has been violent against non-believers since the beginning, and continuing uninterrupted until today. It's still going on. And it is taught, encouraged, and performed, by a huge number of mulsims, both lay people and leadership.

I wonder if they'll point that out in the film? Or will they accuse Christians of going into the Land of Canaan and killing a bunch of people?

Posted by: PersonOfTheBook at April 6, 2008 12:23 PM

I forgot to mention that Christian preachers are still giving "paper cuts" to non-believers!

Posted by: PersonOfTheBook at April 6, 2008 12:24 PM

Concerned Citizen: I don't recall them being so much against defaming religions. Is killing polytheists for being polytheists the same as defaming? They also seem to respect a particular "prophet" more than others.

Well, they respect People of the Book religions. But you are right, polytheists (with their Mahabharata & Ramayana aren't there though...)

From (via Google News) http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=49221§ionid=3510212

The UN Human Rights Council has passed a resolution expressing concern about the defamation of religions and urging states to prohibit it.

...
The European Union said the text was one-sided because it primarily focused on Islam as the only religion specified as being attacked.

However, Saudi Arabi said "maybe Islam is one of the most obvious victims of aggressions under the pretext of freedom of expression.''
...

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Muslims also defended Jesus against denigration when Madonna (the singer ;) ) was in Rome a couple of years ago.

Posted by: johnsawyer at April 6, 2008 12:42 PM

"Are you kidding? A "Non-Governmental Organization" in IRAN"

This was also my first reaction. Then in order to attempt to drive the point home they named themselves including the words NGO in their name. I am not sure what level of credulity that they think they are dealing with.

Posted by: stickman at April 6, 2008 12:54 PM

Perhaps we can take some encouragement from the fact that the Iranians feel the need to do this ?
Why does Fitna need to be responded to ?
Because threats have not made it go away.
Because the Western MSM cannot surpress it on Iran's behalf, since it is moving through a medium over which they have little control.
That the Iranians are going to use forms of argument, instead of only relying on threats of violence, may be just a little baby step of progress ?
And it will be interesting to see how they will be able to respond to Fitna without in some way giving it futher publiciity...

Posted by: M Al-Content at April 6, 2008 12:59 PM

At least Holocaust photos can't be used, with motives twisted, because the Iranians say it didn't happen.

Darcy -- Only 68 on the list of 100 ? You probably missed at least 50 radio talk show hosts. And I think Islamophobia, as you appear to use it in this list, is far outweighed by Kafirophobia (Muslim hatred of unbelievers).

Posted by: desert dweller at April 6, 2008 1:20 PM

You can make a film showing that the Girl Scouts are a right-wing, Christian, terrorist organization, that if you're willing to scrape the bottom of the garbage can looking for evidence.

Posted by: rational at April 6, 2008 1:21 PM

Well, they respect People of the Book religions.

If you call permanent humiliation, degradation, physical insecurity, second class citizen status with exhorbitant financial penalties, codified and enforced deterioration of your houses of worship, subjection to forced, impromptu occupation of your home, seizure of your businesses, all manner of restrictions on your appearance, speech and ability to gather and defend yourself, annulment of your marriages, seizure of your children, etc., as respect, well, yes, then respect.

Personally, I call the above subjugation and denigration. Respect implies a potentiality for observation of a desirable trait. This is not possible in Islam.

From dictionary.com

re·spect /rɪˈspɛkt/ [ri-spekt]
–noun
3. esteem for or a sense of the worth or excellence of a person, a personal quality or ability, or something considered as a manifestation of a personal quality or ability: I have great respect for her judgment.
4. deference to a right, privilege, privileged position, or someone or something considered to have certain rights or privileges; proper acceptance or courtesy; acknowledgment: respect for a suspect's right to counsel; to show respect for the flag; respect for the elderly.
5. the condition of being esteemed or honored: to be held in respect.
6. respects, a formal expression or gesture of greeting, esteem, or friendship: Give my respects to your parents.
7. favor or partiality.
8. Archaic. a consideration.
–verb (used with object) 9. to hold in esteem or honor
10. to show regard or consideration for: to respect someone's rights.
11. to refrain from intruding upon or interfering with: to respect a person's privacy.

Clearly, Islam does none of these things towards Christianity. So, no, I guess not. No respect.

Islam respects power. So they "respect" our military apparatus and instruments of destruction, and our economy. No, actually, that is jealousy and covetousness because they feel we got the above undeservedly, possibly by trickery.

Is there respect for Jahiliyya in Islam? I don't think so.

Posted by: Concerned Citizen at April 6, 2008 2:03 PM

As the truism goes:

Christians are a problem when they do NOT follow their faith; Musilms are a problem whn they DO.

"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

vs.

"Strike at their necks!"

If Koranic scholars would put all of Jesus's sayings back into their religion,
Islam would shift from cruelty to compassion in a breath.

A fresh one, after 1300 years of grim, dogmatic dust.

Posted by: profitsbeard at April 6, 2008 2:14 PM

They will be able to dig up a few incidents, but they will be very care about the back ground as to what lead up to the actual incident such as we saw with the film they used when they hacked Wilders site, where they used footage from the Poso Walisongo massacre.

Many posters here could not believe it was Christians who carried out the attack, and just as many did not know where it happened, so my advise here is if they do release a film, the footage will be the real thing, but the facts will be grossly distorted.

The best thing is to be prepared to be shocked, as there are some incident that have been under reported, or overlooked here, due to we are putting islam under the micro scope.

I think it would be a good idea for every body here to make a thorough check on every incident they feature, and bring out the truth of what ever they scrape up and distort.

I can also guess they will bring up how the Vatican is protecting some of their pedophile clerics, which is happening, but does not come under discussion here as it doesnt have anything to do with islam, but should be dealt with regardless.

I hope that they do make a film, but I also hope that they stay with the truth, so that we can confront some of the evils which are happenings, and we can take the right actions, thus setting an example as to the way they should react to the evil within their societies.

Posted by: InfidelK9 at April 6, 2008 2:15 PM

Concerned Citizen, dhimmitude is a privilege of (or a favor to) the People of the Book. Not given to the rest.
.joke

But back to the topic: I don't think the Beyond Fitna will be disrespectful to Moses and Jesus, since they are both counted as prophets of Islam - although not the greatest and the last.

Posted by: johnsawyer at April 6, 2008 2:43 PM

I don't think there are many Christian beheading video's available, so they will probably have to resort to old Hollywood film clips. Well, there were plenty of real incidents of maniacs acting in the name of God, or Christianity. The only real question is, were their actions because of Christianity, or in spite of it? Does Christianity teach as one of it's basic tenants, maniacal behavior? And when a maniacal Christian murders someone in the name of god, do they shout 'Hail Jesus', while doing it?
Is this what Christianity sanctions? I think they may have a tough time proving that, but they can show a bunch of grizzly scenes and voice over 'Hail Jesus', to make a point. I don't expect this proposed film to be very convincing except to muslims who already have this view...

Posted by: duh_swami at April 6, 2008 2:53 PM

This is like skunks doing a movie on the bad-breath of butterflies.

Posted by: undaunted at April 6, 2008 3:04 PM

The list above is almost verbatim of the blogs and editorialists that I keep abreast of...I must be doing something right. thank you JW/DW

Posted by: No More Ham, Ed at April 6, 2008 3:05 PM

Speaking of film, the world has just been informed that Charleton Heston passed away last nite. As I read these posts, many times over the past years I have been reminded of his 1966 film 'Khartoum'. What a film! You should rent it and see how pertinent it is to our current concerns re: Islam. Laurence Olivier plays 'the Mahdi' with a striking evilness, even lifting a severed head from a basket, which at the time, critics labeled his performance as 'over the top in demonic evil'.

From Wikipedia

Colonel John Donald Hamill Stewart (1845-1884) was a British soldier. He accompanied General Gordon to Khartoum in 1884 as his assistant. He died in September 1884 attempting to run the blockade from the besieged city at the hands of the Manasir tribesmen and followers of Muhammad Ahmad Al-Mahdi.

Stewart was appointed a cornet in the British 11th Hussars in 1865. In 1882 Lieutenant Colonel Stewart was instructed to prepare a report on the Sudan where Muhammad Ahmad Al-Mahdi was defying the Egyptian Government with success. After a journey to Khartoum and return to Egypt the "Report on the Soudan" (1883) was finished.

He returned with Gordon to Khartoum in February 1884 and was wounded during the siege. Stewart led an attempt to break the blockade aboard the Steamer Abbas in September 1884, along with the British consul F Powers of The Times and other residents of Khartoum. The attempt failed when the Abbas run aground somewhere between Abu Hamad and Meroë. All passengers and crew were killed.

According to the film Khartoum, Stewart was beheaded, along with the Times Correspondent for the Sudan. Beheadings were obviously en vogue in 1884/85 as they are today.

Posted by: Spirit Of 1683 at April 6, 2008 3:23 PM

If they had any brains, they would produce a video of Makkan verses, show clips of Imams preaching peacefully on those verses, abundantly available MSM headlines of Islamic countries' cooperation in the WOT, and finish up with a clip of Muslims reverently handling the Hebrew and Christian scriptures (hey, this is a movie), maybe topped off with a little da'wa.

They could also throw in an offer for Mr. Wilders to visit an Islamic country, free of charge, then claim he was inhospitable, ungrateful and Islamophobic when he refused.

Posted by: Concerned Citizen at April 6, 2008 3:25 PM

I for one will be extremely disappointed if "Beyond Fitna" does not include some mention of Vlad the Impaler.

Posted by: Lex at April 6, 2008 4:30 PM

These idiots have no imagination (unIslamic) so they will just go and find an old B-movie of the 30 or 40's and rip it off with new dialog.

Kind of like what Mo did with the Hebrew bible. It might have a rabbit in it as well to appeal to the kiddies. Hope I am not giving them any ideas. I will go on YouTube and find some good footage so we can see what it was before they got their dirty hands on the original. Also the legal owners will need to be notified. This way we can shot them down legally as soon as they release Son of Fitna

Posted by: Im.mad.as.HELL! at April 6, 2008 4:41 PM

@Spirit Of 1683

YouTube Trailer 'Khartoum'
Looks like I will need to get down to see if my library has it.

Posted by: Im.mad.as.HELL! at April 6, 2008 4:51 PM

I forgot to add that the source subject will be the Crusades. Which they blame us for starting. When in fact they were the reaction of their invasion of Christian Europe. As usual the lie and revise history in their favor. The will show some old movie footage and cross dissolve to an Army helicopter. On, and show a Bible but they will not open it, someone my read something that would counter what they are saying.

Posted by: Im.mad.as.HELL! at April 6, 2008 4:56 PM

The koran is a blasphemy against God and his divine son Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit.

Mohammed could not have gotten his Koran from the archangel Gabriel; it was more likely the archangel Lucifer,the expert in Satanic Verses, if he had any supernatural help at all.

Posted by: Jimmy Bones at April 6, 2008 5:09 PM

This twisted logic and rationalizing of violence
reminds me of the hollow value for Ramadan because Islam only expect Muslims to be good for 1/12th of the year rather than the Christian ideal to make your life's work a mission of charity and compassion.

Maybe Muslims females suffer from Battered-Follower Syndrome where a person becomes so abused they cling to the idea and hope that islam will change soon and this will justify all their pain from an abusive Husband or males who follow Muhammad's examples for pedophilia and misogeny .
Plus , Ramadan is the 1 month of the year they look forward to as a ray of hope because they aren't beaten and verbally abused for a whole month and that's a relief after 11 months of living in fear of Honour killings or a public execution for showing any skin that may set-off one of those sex-starved male Muhammadians who can keep his winnie in his pants.

Posted by: ala-sux at April 6, 2008 5:13 PM

Darcy -- Only 68 on the list of 100 ? You probably missed at least 50 radio talk show hosts. And I think Islamophobia, as you appear to use it in this list, is far outweighed by Kafirophobia (Muslim hatred of unbelievers).

Posted by: desert dweller at April 6, 2008 1:20 PM

Uh, hello, that's not MY list. That's "sherif's" the Blogger's list that I happened upon. So, please.

Posted by: darcy at April 6, 2008 6:21 PM

You talk about misogyny as if it's a bad thing The West is rather male-sogynist wouldn't you say? 2 wrongs don't make a right and neither the Middle East or West can say they treat men/women equally.

Posted by: jafar at April 6, 2008 7:27 PM

Who cares who did what when? How can anyone schooled in the West, and with half a brain think that the Creator of the universe (this Creator made the electron and proton, and made the electron and proton do the things that electron and protons do ..., etc., etc.,) how can anyone believe the Creator wants its human creation (that's us I'm referring to now, folks) to do the things in the Qu'ran? Walking round and round the Kabala, pick up and throw rocks at the Devil, cut female clitoris's ... and now I believe Allah loves me more because I do or have let people do these things to me. How asinine!

Fitna, shmitna, ... what is keeping Hollywood and New York movie studios from humiliating this idiotic Islamic bunch of dopes!!? Why are those who can do more to put this nonsense in the garbage can so freakin' cowardly?

Posted by: k24anson at April 6, 2008 8:10 PM

Let them make the movie.

1. They have the right to.

2. If the bash Judaism, Christianity, and the Bible, they destroy their own credibility as a religion that comes from the same origin.

Posted by: sh217 at April 6, 2008 8:11 PM

I am so deeply disturbed at this attack against Christianity, I've looked at the Bible to see what we must do to these vicious enemies of Jesus. Kill them? nope, Jesus said not to do that. Curse them? Nope, Jesus said to ask God to bless them and pray for them.

Nuts, that darn Love of Jesus thing and the essential importance of the human dignity of the enemy, keeps getting in the way!

Human dignity and reason are less important than obedience in Islam. In Christianity reason and respect for human dignity are essential to the worship of the Triune God. This is why Islamic societies are violent and unstable, and Christian ones tend towards non-violence and stability. Secularists may just discover that key difference too late.

Posted by: James Martel at April 6, 2008 8:19 PM

Islam: Religion of Tit-4-Tat

Posted by: champ at April 6, 2008 8:29 PM

While I can't vouch for the following having a "PG" rating (don't watch with kids), it shows some ingenuity in getting out the anti-jihad message. Also, if you are a Muslim, you will be offended (I'm not sorry).

http://creepingsharia.wordpress.com/2008/04/04/better-than-fitna-open-season-cair-remix/

Posted by: Concerned Citizen at April 6, 2008 8:58 PM

it will be to see what propaganda the Iranians use in this movie probably some of what they will use will be footage from IRA activities back in the 70s but the truth is there is no Christian terrorism in the world today though Muslims will claim otherwise when we have Christians defend themselves, and of course to a Muslim that is terrorism and the same with what is happening in Israel with the Jews defending themselves against terror attacks by Hezbollah Hamas and Fatah the time anyone but themselves defends themselves the Muslims call it terrorism when they're the ones who are the attackersand they cannot seem to stand anyone pointing this out to them

Posted by: crusader at April 6, 2008 9:05 PM

Charleton heston did indeed appear in 'El Cid'. All of his some 175 movies appearences were listed within in an article this morning on the MSNBC web site.

Posted by: guide inside at April 6, 2008 10:39 PM

The pathetic thing is that so many people here in the U.S. believe the comparison. (And trust me, no amount of showing them the facts about what each religion teaches will sway them.)

It's like pulling teeth trying to get some people I know to agree that Islam has violent tendencies. Never a *word* about what we see going on in the world almost on a daily basis. But mention Christianity and watch them rant on.

It's unbelievable.

Posted by: Mo at April 6, 2008 11:49 PM

Charleton heston did indeed appear in 'El Cid'. All of his some 175 movies appearences were listed within in an article this morning on the MSNBC web site.
Posted by: guide inside

Glad you mentioned "EL CID".

It's amazing how much history can be learned (maybe not entirely accurate), from watching Charlton Heston's movies. Still, its better to have a bit of a visual idea you can go on from, than nothing at all.

Posted by: Gramfan at April 7, 2008 1:09 AM

Torah, Bible, Koran, and all these so called "holy scriptures" or "holy fables, legends, traditions" are mind corrupting and brainwashers. And they are out of context in this 21st century. So people, read other significant books!

Posted by: Platypus at April 7, 2008 5:07 AM

....Yet when it comes to all time best sellers, the Bible is forever the number one (#1) best selling "significant" book of all time.

Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at April 7, 2008 5:41 AM

....Yet when it comes to all time best sellers, the Bible is forever the number one (#1) best selling "significant" book of all time.

Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at April 7, 2008 5:45 AM

Yes, Jafar, misogyny is a very bad thing. Hating half of humanity is a very bad thing. Female genital mutilation is disgusting. Not allowing half of the population to participate in commerce, politics or even receive an adequate education is not only wrong but keeps the society from developing.

What is even worse is attributing that hatred to the Creator of the Universe as the Qur'an does. The authors of the Qur'an thought all men hid their heads in shame when they had daughters, so God must hate women as much as they did. They thought that, obviously, God would never allow female angels or women saints to intercede with him.

That misogynistic nonsense is the basis for the Qur'an and its constant warning about not worshipping gods beside God. Misogyny is not an unfortunate quirk of Arab society, but the very foundation concept of much of the writings that became the Qur'an.

Any man who allows his daughters to be mutilated physically or mentally as demanded by too much of Islamic tradition is not much of a man.

No, the West is not perfectly equal yet, but it's progressing. I have taught my three daughters to follow their dreams. I am encouraging them to get a JD or PhD. They can be President of the United States of America if they want.

And, just to be clear, I did not hide my head in shame each time I learned that I had a daughter.

Cheers.

Abu el Banat

Posted by: Abu El Banat at April 7, 2008 9:24 AM

You talk about misogyny as if it's a bad thing The West is rather male-sogynist wouldn't you say? 2 wrongs don't make a right and neither the Middle East or West can say they treat men/women equally.

Posted by: jafar at April 6, 2008 7:27 PM

LOL, nice try. On the "Misogyny scale" of 1-10, with the higher number meaning less misogyny, the West ranks 11, while the Islamic Barbarian Lands (Middle East) + Pakistan, Afghanistan, and Turkey, rank 0.

Posted by: darcy at April 7, 2008 10:26 AM

>>And they are out of context in this 21st century. --platypus

Must disagree, platypus. The Life of Jesus and His Teachings (NT) is never "out of context," I don't care if it's the 99th century.

Realize you're an atheist, so we agree to disagree. As RS has said, this site is to discuss the global jihad and Islamic Supremacism, not a place to debate atheism v faith.

Posted by: darcy at April 7, 2008 10:31 AM

Do I smell taquiyya in the air?

Posted by: tanstaafl at April 7, 2008 10:32 AM

wow.
can someone please tell me why we as Americans have sunk to such an apathetic state as to allow our basic fundamental freedoms such as freedom of speech to be threatened by barbarian terrorists?

Posted by: patriot mike at April 6, 2008 9:28 AM

I ponder that question every day, patriot mike. Western Europeans, too. The pat answer I get from others is "Western-guilt."

I don't feel guilty. Do you?

Posted by: darcy at April 7, 2008 10:35 AM

Do I smell taquiyya in the air?

Posted by: tanstaafl at April 7, 2008 10:32 AM

Who are you talking about? The above Abu El Banat?

Posted by: darcy at April 7, 2008 10:37 AM

whenever someone, or a group overreacts, it is a sign of an inferiority complex. in the case of muslims, it is not a complex. they are just inferior, due to culture, cult,language and ignorance.

Posted by: winta at April 7, 2008 10:53 AM

whenever someone, or a group overreacts, it is a sign of an inferiority complex. in the case of muslims, it is not a complex. they are just inferior, due to culture, cult,language and ignorance.

Posted by: winta at April 7, 2008 10:53 AM

Powerful stuff. I imagine their first step in the project's research phase will be to open a Netflix account in order to use the roughly 1,784,672 anti-Christian films made in the West over the past four or five decades for artistic inspiration. (Although they should skip the DaVinci Code. BOOOORRRRING!!)

Posted by: JohnE at April 7, 2008 11:28 AM

Darcy,

I think he's okay.

Islam faces a very serious historical problem. No archaelogical or historical evidence supports the traditional Islamic narrative of the life of Muhammad or of Mecca as the wealthiest trading city of Arabia. Only the Islamic traditions written 150-200 years after the supposed death of Muhammad support the story of Muhammad and the existence of Mecca as an important trading city.

Furthermore, Christian writings from 660-705 AD raise serious questions about the Islamic traditions. In my view, the Qur'an itself casts doubt about that narrative. For example, why would it fail to mention the name of Mecca if Muhammad received much of it there? Why would it fail to identfy the migration as being from Mecca to Medina if that had been the case.

In fact, much of the discussion of the destroyed cities in the Qur'an suggests a venue of the Qur'anic community nearer the Dead Sea than the Hejaz. Obviously, this point is extremely complex and far from clear.

Given the questionable historicity of the Islamic narrative, it should surprise no one that modern Muslems would want to destroy as much of their past and that of Israel as they possibly can. Also, there should be no surprise that they desperately want to prevent excavation by Israelis on Temple Mount.

Cheers.

Posted by: Abu El Banat 1/16/2008

Posted by: Concerned Citizen at April 7, 2008 12:17 PM

Abu, Muslims will deny the truth of any excavations, just as they deny the truth of history and the Torah.

Posted by: winta at April 7, 2008 12:57 PM

Platypus talked about brainwashing and I say thank God for washing my brain as my mind was very corrupted. The Bible speaks of this as 'the washing of water by the WORD'. Brainwashed? yes! And I'm delighted it happened. Without that I might well have become a Muslim as its hate, revenge, and anti-everything would have been appealing to this former world corrupted way of thinking that I had.

Posted by: guide inside at April 7, 2008 3:29 PM

"Oh, and one other thing: if this film comes out, I guarantee you: no Christians will riot, or rage against free speech."
== == == == == ==

B-b-but couldn't we threaten to seethe, just a little bit? Or demand, simply DEMAND, all manner of respect for our 'religious sentiments'?

Hey, I know! Let's boycott Muslim products! -- (Well, no, I wasn't really in the market for a rug. .. What else do they export? Jihadists? I wasn't really in the market for one of those, either...)

Posted by: A_Nonny_Mouse at April 9, 2008 2:47 AM